History UsefulNotes / HeresiesAndHeretics

15th Jul '17 4:27:35 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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*** Instead of human beings being ontologically good creatures in and of themselves, they are spiritual creatures trapped in material form by the Demiurge.[[note]][[StarWars Luminous beings are we! Not this crude matter!]][[/note]]

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*** Instead of human beings being ontologically good creatures in and of themselves, they are spiritual creatures trapped in material form by the Demiurge.[[note]][[StarWars [[note]][[Franchise/StarWars Luminous beings are we! Not this crude matter!]][[/note]]
3rd Jun '17 11:38:22 AM gemmabeta2
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** It is commonly assumed that Galileo ''proved'' heliocentrism -- he didn't, exactly. He merely made the biggest noise about it. He started by writing a letter in response to the Duchess of Tuscany saying, in effect, "Well, I wouldn't put ''too'' fine a point on it, but yes, the evidence does ''suggest'' that, scientifically speaking, the Church and Aristotle really do have the whole structure of the Universe wrong." Notice all the hedging: Galileo was convinced, but knew he didn't have definitive, incontrovertible proof. (His observation that Venus has phases made it ''extremely unlikely'' that geocentrism was true and heliocentrism false, but there were all kinds of other explanations that could have been cooked up to keep the Earth in the middle, even though they were all sort of ridiculous.) Proponents of heliocentrism were unable to counter the strongest argument against it, which had been proposed by ''Aristotle himself''--if heliocentrism were true, there should be observable parallax shifts in the position of the stars as the Earth moved. Now, there ''are'' observable parallax shifts, but the technology to demonstrate that hadn't been developed until ''after Galileo's death''. [[note]]The distance between the stars is several light-years, very large in comparison to Earth's orbit, with a diameter of about 16.6 light-'''minutes'''[[/note]]. Until that point, the evidence suggested that the stars' positions were fixed relative to the Earth, and thus, only the Sun, Moon, and other planets were moving; Copernicus' (correct) explanation that the stars were too far away to exhibit visible parallax was not accepted, even by non-geocentrists like Tycho Brahe. However, being a bullheaded and rather stubborn sort of fellow, he later doubled down on heliocentrism, and ''that'' got him in trouble.

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** It is commonly assumed that Galileo ''proved'' heliocentrism -- he didn't, exactly. He merely made the biggest noise about it. He started by writing a letter in response to the Duchess of Tuscany saying, in effect, "Well, I wouldn't put ''too'' fine a point on it, but yes, the evidence does ''suggest'' that, scientifically speaking, the Church and Aristotle really do have the whole structure of the Universe wrong." Notice all the hedging: Galileo was convinced, but knew he didn't have definitive, incontrovertible proof. (His observation that Venus has phases made it ''extremely unlikely'' that geocentrism was true and heliocentrism false, but there were all kinds of other explanations that could have been cooked up to keep the Earth in the middle, even though they were all sort of ridiculous.) Proponents of heliocentrism were unable to counter the strongest argument against it, which had been proposed by ''Aristotle himself''--if heliocentrism were true, there should be observable parallax shifts in the position of the stars as the Earth moved. Now, there ''are'' observable parallax shifts, but the technology to demonstrate that hadn't been developed until ''after Galileo's death''.death'' in the eighteenth century. [[note]]The distance between the stars is several light-years, very large in comparison to Earth's orbit, with a diameter of about 16.6 light-'''minutes'''[[/note]]. Until that point, the evidence suggested that the stars' positions were fixed relative to the Earth, and thus, only the Sun, Moon, and other planets were moving; Copernicus' (correct) explanation that the stars were too far away to exhibit visible parallax was not accepted, even by non-geocentrists like Tycho Brahe.Brahe (scientists back then, more used to the smaller-sized universe proposed by Aristotle and Plato, fundamentally had trouble wrapping their heads around the actual size of the universe and the vast distances between celestial objects). However, being a bullheaded and rather stubborn sort of fellow, he later doubled down on heliocentrism, and ''that'' got him in trouble.
17th Apr '17 2:43:08 AM JulianLapostat
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* Pre-Christian example: the [[AncientEgypt 18th-dynasty pharaoh]] Akhenaten radically and single-handedly overhauled the Egyptian religion from polytheism into sort of a proto-monotheism. He got away with it at the time because, well, [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem he was the king]], but the religion reverted immediately after he died and Akhenaten got the UnPerson treatment from his successors.

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* Pre-Christian example: the [[AncientEgypt 18th-dynasty pharaoh]] Akhenaten UsefulNotes/{{Akhenaten}} radically and single-handedly overhauled the Egyptian religion from polytheism into sort of a proto-monotheism. He got away with it at the time because, well, [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem he was the king]], but the religion reverted immediately after he died and Akhenaten got the UnPerson treatment from his successors.
6th Dec '16 2:13:05 PM DoctorCooper
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** Feenyism -- Quite possibly the youngest heresy on this list, and one of the few true American-born heresies, this one erupted sometime around World War Two, when Fr. Leonard Feeney, a Jesuit priest, began to preach a very distorted version of the Church tenet ''extra Ecclesiam, nulla salus'', or "No salvation outside the Church." Feeney taught this to mean essentially that everyone not a formally baptized Catholic was without doubt going to, or already had gone to, Hell. [[note]]The Church itself teaches something somewhat different-- that since all graces come from God through His Son, Christ, those who through no fault of their own do not know Christ or the Church still can be saved through processes mysterious to human eyes. It should also be noted that while the Church believes in Hell, and that in the abstract some, perhaps many, people will go or are already there, it is forbidden to declare anyone specifically as being in or going to Hell.[[/note]] The implications of Feeney's belief were odious -- that millions of souls who existed either before Christ or before the Church reached them were damned out of hand by God himself even though they had no chance to receive baptism. It also didn't help that Feeney was apparently an anti-Semite, rivaling the more well-known Fr. Charles Coughlin of Detroit in intensity. He also mocked a previous Pope, Pius IX, for claiming that unbaptized babies could be saved due to having no personal mortal sins on their soul at the time of death, [[RefugeInAudacity calling Pius IX, a beloved Pope, a heretic]]. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Finally]], his interpretation of ''nulla salus'' was NOT from any magesterial [[note]]Church teaching[[/note]] authority, but from his private interpretation of Scripture. In the end, Feeney was ordered by Pope Pius XII to knock it off and come to Rome to explain himself, and when he refused, he was dismissed from the Jesuits in 1949 and ultimately excommunicated in 1953, an excommunication only lifted as recently as 1972.

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** Feenyism Feeneyism -- Quite possibly the youngest heresy on this list, and one of the few true American-born heresies, this one erupted sometime around World War Two, when Fr. Leonard Feeney, a Jesuit priest, began to preach a very distorted version of the Church tenet ''extra Ecclesiam, nulla salus'', or "No salvation outside the Church." Feeney taught this to mean essentially that everyone not a formally baptized Catholic was without doubt going to, or already had gone to, Hell. [[note]]The Church itself teaches something somewhat different-- that since all graces come from God through His Son, Christ, those who through no fault of their own do not know Christ or the Church still can be saved through processes mysterious to human eyes. It should also be noted that while the Church believes in Hell, and that in the abstract some, perhaps many, people will go or are already there, it is forbidden to declare anyone specifically as being in or going to Hell.[[/note]] The implications of Feeney's belief were odious -- that millions of souls who existed either before Christ or before the Church reached them were damned out of hand by God himself even though they had no chance to receive baptism. It also didn't help that Feeney was apparently an anti-Semite, rivaling the more well-known Fr. Charles Coughlin of Detroit in intensity. He also mocked a previous Pope, Pius IX, for claiming that unbaptized babies could be saved due to having no personal mortal sins on their soul at the time of death, [[RefugeInAudacity calling Pius IX, a beloved Pope, a heretic]]. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Finally]], his interpretation of ''nulla salus'' was NOT from any magesterial [[note]]Church teaching[[/note]] authority, but from his private interpretation of Scripture. In the end, Feeney was ordered by Pope Pius XII to knock it off and come to Rome to explain himself, and when he refused, he was dismissed from the Jesuits in 1949 and ultimately excommunicated in 1953, an excommunication only lifted as recently as 1972.
24th Sep '16 10:25:37 AM gemmabeta2
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** Iconoclasm ("icon smashing") first showed up in the 7th and 8th centuries, claiming it was sinful to make pictures or statues of Christ and the saints, despite [[Literature/TheBible God commanding]] the creation of religious statues (Ex. 25:1820; 1 Chr. 28:1819), including symbolic representations of Christ (cf. Num. 21:89 w/ John 3:14). It was originally inspired by the Muslim blanket ban on representational art and the Old Testament's emphasis against idolatry. Popular history associates this with Byzantine Emperor Leo III "The Isaurian", who had lived near the border with Muslim-ruled Syria, but although this has a grain of truth to it, iconoclasm as imperial--and therefore Eastern Orthodox--policy was rather exaggerated by the generation that killed it (with the assistance of the Pope in Rome--at that time, again, the Church in Rome had not yet split from the Church in Constantinople, so this fight was basically one within Catholicism--albeit a Catholicism with a focus on the East). Iconoclasm briefly reappeared in the initial stages of the Protestant Reformation mostly as a push back against the perceived decadence of the Catholics, but largely disappeared over the years, the only noticeable remnant being most Protestants' tendency to wear a bare cross instead of a Crucifix.

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** Iconoclasm ("icon smashing") first showed up in the 7th and 8th centuries, claiming it was sinful to make pictures or statues of Christ and the saints, despite [[Literature/TheBible God commanding]] the creation of religious statues (Ex. 25:1820; 1 Chr. 28:1819), including symbolic representations of Christ (cf. Num. 21:89 w/ John 3:14). It was originally inspired by the Muslim blanket ban on representational art and the Old Testament's emphasis against idolatry. Popular history associates this with Byzantine Emperor Leo III "The Isaurian", who had lived near the border with Muslim-ruled Syria, but although this has a grain of truth to it, iconoclasm as imperial--and therefore Eastern Orthodox--policy was rather exaggerated by the generation that killed it (with the assistance of the Pope in Rome--at that time, again, the Church in Rome had not yet split from the Church in Constantinople, so this fight was basically one within Catholicism--albeit a Catholicism with a focus on the East). Iconoclasm briefly reappeared in the initial stages of the Protestant Reformation mostly as a push back against the perceived decadence of the Catholics, but largely disappeared over the years, the only noticeable remnant being most Protestants' tendency to wear a bare cross instead of a Crucifix.Crucifix and building fairly austere and unadorned churches.
24th Sep '16 10:24:23 AM gemmabeta2
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*** Catholics sometimes has a tendency of accusing or mocking low-church Protestants for being crypto-Nestorian because of their general discomfort at bringing up the issue of Mary.
18th Sep '16 7:18:25 PM karstovich2
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** Monophysitism was largely concurrent with Nestorianism, mainly because it was [[TheNewRockAndRoll a powerful reaction to and rejection of it]]. Horrified by the implications of two Christs running around, the monophysites basically leapfrogged themselves to the other end of the spectrum, claiming Jesus had only ''one'' nature[[note]]Greek: ''mono'' = one; ''physis'' = nature[[/note]], part divine and part human, something akin to a [[Myth/ClassicalMythology demigod]]. This was likewise rejected on the grounds that, if Jesus was not fully human, he could not fully participate in and thus represent humanity, and if he was not fully divine, he could not fully participate in and thus represent {{God}}; in short, since he was neither truly God or truly Man, he could not join the two, and thus he could not fix the problem of Original Sin (see above), and humanity was still basically screwed.[[note]]Yes, the Catholic Church's official position is that Christ is ''both'' completely God and completely Man. Yes, it understands the ramifications of nailing Him to a cross to die.[[/note]] The modern day Oriental Orthodox church still affirms Miaphysitism, a moderate form of Monophysitism (or something entirely different, according to them). This is largely a function of politics: the conflict between the Monophysites and the "Orthodox" (that is, the ones adopting the present Catholic--and Eastern Orthodox--Christology) was a hot religious and political issue during the early years of UsefulNotes/TheByzantineEmpire, with Monophysitism being dominant in the empire's eastern provinces (Egypt and Syria, mostly) and Orthodoxy being dominant in the west (in the Greek-speaking heartland of Anatolia and the Balkans/Greece), with different emperors backing different factions for political reasons, but when the Muslim Arabs abruptly conquered the eastern provinces, the conflict was basically frozen in the middle of the 7th century because the Caliph didn't care what these Christians believed about Jesus as long as they paid their taxes, and these politico-theological games ended with the result being that both groups exist as minorities in the mostly-Muslim Middle East while Orthodoxy stamped out the remaining Monophysites in the west as the political calculus changed.

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** Monophysitism was largely concurrent with Nestorianism, mainly because it was [[TheNewRockAndRoll a powerful reaction to and rejection of it]]. Horrified by the implications of two Christs running around, the monophysites basically leapfrogged themselves to the other end of the spectrum, claiming Jesus had only ''one'' nature[[note]]Greek: ''mono'' = one; ''physis'' = nature[[/note]], part divine and part human, something akin to a [[Myth/ClassicalMythology demigod]]. This was likewise rejected on the grounds that, if Jesus was not fully human, he could not fully participate in and thus represent humanity, and if he was not fully divine, he could not fully participate in and thus represent {{God}}; in short, since he was neither truly God or truly Man, he could not join the two, and thus he could not fix the problem of Original Sin (see above), and humanity was still basically screwed.[[note]]Yes, the Catholic Church's official position is that Christ is ''both'' completely God and completely Man. Yes, it understands the ramifications of nailing Him to a cross to die.[[/note]] The modern day Oriental Orthodox church still affirms Miaphysitism, a moderate form of Monophysitism (or something entirely different, according to them). This is largely a function of politics: the conflict between the Monophysites and the "Orthodox" (that is, the ones adopting the present Catholic--and Eastern Orthodox--Christology) was a hot religious and political issue during the early years of UsefulNotes/TheByzantineEmpire, with Monophysitism being dominant in the empire's eastern provinces (Egypt and Syria, mostly) and Orthodoxy being dominant in the west (in the Greek-speaking heartland of Anatolia and the Balkans/Greece), with different emperors backing different factions for political reasons, but reasons. However, when the Muslim Arabs abruptly conquered the eastern provinces, the conflict was basically frozen in the middle of the 7th century because the Caliph didn't care what these Christians believed about Jesus as long as they paid their taxes, and these the politico-theological games ended with the result being that both groups exist as minorities in the mostly-Muslim Middle East while Orthodoxy stamped out the remaining Monophysites in the west as the political calculus changed.changed (namely, the need to present a united Christian front against the expansionist Muslim Arab empire).
21st Aug '16 7:30:37 AM Doug86
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Below is a list of well-known heresies and heretics found within real life religions, [[IThoughtThatWas and NOT an outline of]] a {{TabletopGame/Warhammer40000}} variant.

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Below is a list of well-known heresies and heretics found within real life religions, [[IThoughtThatWas and NOT an outline of]] a {{TabletopGame/Warhammer40000}} ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'' variant.



** Catharism's vogue occurred in the 11th century. Technically a mixture of non-Christian religions reworked with Christian terminology, there were a few joining principles that connected the various sects under the name. ''Very'' similar to Gnosticism above, the Cathars held a fierce antipathy for the material universe, which they held was created by an [[GodOfEvil evil deity]] (hence, matter is evil), but there exists a [[GodOfGood Good Deity]] who should be worshiped instead (there's a resemblance to {{UsefulNotes/Zoroastrianism}} here).

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** Catharism's vogue occurred in the 11th century. Technically a mixture of non-Christian religions reworked with Christian terminology, there were a few joining principles that connected the various sects under the name. ''Very'' similar to Gnosticism above, the Cathars held a fierce antipathy for the material universe, which they held was created by an [[GodOfEvil evil deity]] (hence, matter is evil), but there exists a [[GodOfGood Good Deity]] who should be worshiped instead (there's a resemblance to {{UsefulNotes/Zoroastrianism}} UsefulNotes/{{Zoroastrianism}} here).
16th Aug '16 11:57:38 PM Kelothan
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29th Jun '16 4:18:14 PM DoctorCooper
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** A ''very'' famous example was given to the world in the teachings of Arius, who effectively used orthodox language to teach that Jesus was not divine, but a creature made by God. When Constantine legalized Christianity, one of the first things done by the leaders of the Church was to define and formalize what the belief system of Christianity actually held-Arius, who famously was [[LoveItOrHateIt supported by many bishops and excommunicated by others]], gave an explanation of his beliefs to the Council of Nicaea in 325 and was solemnly condemned[[labelnote:*]]Legend has it that a certain [[SantaClaus St. Nicholas]] was [[SecretCharacter also present]] at the council, and became so [[BerserkButton angry at Arius' teaching]] that he ''punched the man out''. St. Nicholas is not included in the official registry of bishops present, but that only [[ConspiracyTheory adds to the fun]].[[/labelnote]]; the Council of Nicaea formally proclaimed the divinity of Jesus Christ. Arianism was also an issue at the First Council of Constantinople in 381, where the divinity of the Holy Spirit was also declared. Hints of Arianism, or less specifically, non-trinitarianism, is still extant with modern day Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormonism, among other sects.

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** A ''very'' famous example was given to the world in the teachings of Arius, who effectively used orthodox language to teach that Jesus was not divine, but a creature made by God. When Constantine legalized Christianity, one of the first things done by the leaders of the Church was to define and formalize what the belief system of Christianity actually held-Arius, who famously was [[LoveItOrHateIt supported by many bishops and excommunicated by others]], others, gave an explanation of his beliefs to the Council of Nicaea in 325 and was solemnly condemned[[labelnote:*]]Legend has it that a certain [[SantaClaus St. Nicholas]] was [[SecretCharacter also present]] at the council, and became so [[BerserkButton angry at Arius' teaching]] that he ''punched the man out''. St. Nicholas is not included in the official registry of bishops present, but that only [[ConspiracyTheory adds to the fun]].[[/labelnote]]; the Council of Nicaea formally proclaimed the divinity of Jesus Christ. Arianism was also an issue at the First Council of Constantinople in 381, where the divinity of the Holy Spirit was also declared. Hints of Arianism, or less specifically, non-trinitarianism, is still extant with modern day Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormonism, among other sects.
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