History UsefulNotes / AmericanGunPolitics

17th Aug '17 8:59:27 PM Romagnadvoratrelundar
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No matter which side of the debate you lie on, the rights enshrined in the second amendment are sort of the Straw that Broke the Camel's back and started the [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution Revolutionary War]]. British troops received word that Colonial forces were stockpiling arms and munitions in the towns of Lexington and Concord, and promptly marched out to disarm the colonists. This had already been done in Boston, but the fact that most of the people in the town used such weapons for hunting for food AND militia defense against hostile Native American attacks on the city meant that the British were essentially leaving their own citizens to die in what was still largely wilderness. While there were numerous other reasons to rebel against England and break from her, this was the the start of the active shooting war. The seriousness of the amendment and its meaning isn't a recent development in US politics... it was a big factor in why the country exists at all.

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No matter which side of the debate you lie on, the rights enshrined in the second amendment are sort of the Straw that Broke the Camel's back and started the [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution Revolutionary War]]. British troops received word that Colonial forces were stockpiling arms and munitions in the towns of Lexington and Concord, and promptly marched out to disarm the colonists. This had already been done in Boston, but the fact that most of the people in the town used such weapons for hunting for food AND militia defense against hostile Native American attacks on the city meant that the British were essentially leaving their own citizens to die in what was still largely wilderness. While there were numerous other reasons to rebel against England and break from her, this was the the start of the active shooting war. The seriousness of the amendment and its meaning isn't a recent development in US politics... it was a big factor in why the country exists at all.
4th Jul '17 8:24:59 AM Couran
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**The "May-Issue" policy is currently the subject of an ongoing court battle.



** In California, how difficult it is to get a permit depends on which city or county you live in, as they are issued at the discretion of politically-appointed municipal police chiefs or county sheriffs in unincorporated areas. In the Los Angeles area or the Bay Area, where most of the state's population lives, unless you are rich, powerful, or know the right people, a concealed carry permit is out of the question. [[note]]As of 2015, Los Angeles County, population 10 million, had fewer than 500 concealed carry permits (less than 1 for every 20,000 people). San Francisco, population 870,000, had ''4'' (less than 1 for every 200,000 people). However, certain other counties, such as Sacramento County, are very nearly "shall-issue" in practice, due to tolerant local sheriffs.[[/note]] This is the subject of an ongoing court battle, as the "May-Issue" policy essentially deprives you of a right without due process.

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** In California, how difficult it is to get a permit depends on which city or county you live in, as they are issued at the discretion of politically-appointed municipal police chiefs or county sheriffs in unincorporated areas. In the Los Angeles area or the Bay Area, where most of the state's population lives, unless you are rich, powerful, or know the right people, a concealed carry permit is out of the question. [[note]]As of 2015, Los Angeles County, population 10 million, had fewer than 500 concealed carry permits (less than 1 for every 20,000 people). San Francisco, population 870,000, had ''4'' (less than 1 for every 200,000 people). However, certain other counties, such as Sacramento County, are very nearly "shall-issue" in practice, due to tolerant local sheriffs.[[/note]] This [[/note]]

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is the subject of an ongoing court battle, as the "May-Issue" policy essentially deprives you of a right without due process.
4th Jul '17 8:22:17 AM Couran
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** In California, how difficult it is to get a permit depends on which city or county you live in, as they are issued at the discretion of politically-appointed municipal police chiefs or county sheriffs in unincorporated areas.[[note]] Elected sheriffs mostly tend to be more fair than police chiefs, who toe the party line of the (usually liberal) city government that appointed them, or at the very least they have a greater need to cultivate favor among potential voters and campaign donors.[[/note]]In the Los Angeles area or the Bay Area, where most of the state's population lives, unless you are rich, powerful, or know the right people, a concealed carry permit is out of the question. [[note]]As of 2015, Los Angeles County, population 10 million, had fewer than 500 concealed carry permits (less than 1 for every 20,000 people). San Francisco, population 870,000, had ''4'' (less than 1 for every 200,000 people). However, certain other counties, such as Sacramento County, are very nearly "shall-issue" in practice, due to tolerant local sheriffs.[[/note]] This is the subject of an ongoing court battle, as the "May-Issue" policy essentially deprives you of a right without due process.

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** In California, how difficult it is to get a permit depends on which city or county you live in, as they are issued at the discretion of politically-appointed municipal police chiefs or county sheriffs in unincorporated areas.[[note]] Elected sheriffs mostly tend to be more fair than police chiefs, who toe the party line of the (usually liberal) city government that appointed them, or at the very least they have a greater need to cultivate favor among potential voters and campaign donors.[[/note]]In In the Los Angeles area or the Bay Area, where most of the state's population lives, unless you are rich, powerful, or know the right people, a concealed carry permit is out of the question. [[note]]As of 2015, Los Angeles County, population 10 million, had fewer than 500 concealed carry permits (less than 1 for every 20,000 people). San Francisco, population 870,000, had ''4'' (less than 1 for every 200,000 people). However, certain other counties, such as Sacramento County, are very nearly "shall-issue" in practice, due to tolerant local sheriffs.[[/note]] This is the subject of an ongoing court battle, as the "May-Issue" policy essentially deprives you of a right without due process.
30th Jun '17 6:33:06 PM Elle
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While they officially state their primary purpose is to support game hunters, target shooters, gun collectors, and the defense of lawful citizens from crime, they tend to take a hard line against gun control measures, most notably starting after [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association#1934_-_present the "Revolution in Cincinnati" in 1977]]. In the past, the NRA have resisted attempts to ban machine guns, assault weapons, and armor-piercing ammunition. Their resistance to background checks and licensing for gun owners has also attracted some controversy, as well as the sources of their funding having ties to gun manufacturers themselves. On the other hand, the NRA supported the current background check system, the NICS, and seldom lobbies against legislation to increase penalties for preexisting crimes.

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While they officially state their primary purpose is to support game hunters, target shooters, gun collectors, and the defense of lawful citizens from crime, they tend to take a hard line against gun control measures, most notably starting after [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association#1934_-_present the "Revolution in Cincinnati" in 1977]]. In the past, the NRA have resisted attempts to ban machine guns, assault weapons, and armor-piercing ammunition. Their resistance to background checks and licensing for gun owners has also attracted some controversy, as well as the sources of their funding having ties to gun manufacturers themselves. On the other hand, At an earlier point in its history the NRA supported the current background check system, the NICS, and seldom lobbies lobbied against legislation to increase penalties for preexisting crimes.
crimes. Through the 2000s they have been criticized for being increasingly partisan, reactionary and unwilling to compromise, following the trend of increasing political polarization in the US in general.
6th Jun '17 2:14:52 PM bjex
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The subject of much debate '''[[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement (which we will not be contributing to)]]''' in the USA

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The subject of much debate '''[[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement (which we will not be contributing to)]]''' in many nations, but particularly the USA
the United States of America.
1st Jun '17 9:16:47 AM Luigifan
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No matter which side of the debate you lie on, the rights enshrined in the second amendment are sort of the Straw the Broke the Camel's back and started the [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution RevolutionaryWar]]. British troops received word that Colonial forces were stockpiling arms and munitions in the towns of Lexington and Concord, and promptly marched out to disarm the colonists. This had already been done in Boston, but the fact that most of the people in the town used such weapons for hunting for food AND militia defense against hostile Native American attacks on the city meant that the British were essentially leaving their own citizens to die in what was still largely wilderness. While there were numerous other reasons to rebel against England and break from her, this was the the start of the active shooting war. The seriousness of the amendment and it's meaning isn't a recent development in US politics... it was a big factor in why the country exists at all.

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No matter which side of the debate you lie on, the rights enshrined in the second amendment are sort of the Straw the that Broke the Camel's back and started the [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution RevolutionaryWar]].Revolutionary War]]. British troops received word that Colonial forces were stockpiling arms and munitions in the towns of Lexington and Concord, and promptly marched out to disarm the colonists. This had already been done in Boston, but the fact that most of the people in the town used such weapons for hunting for food AND militia defense against hostile Native American attacks on the city meant that the British were essentially leaving their own citizens to die in what was still largely wilderness. While there were numerous other reasons to rebel against England and break from her, this was the the start of the active shooting war. The seriousness of the amendment and it's its meaning isn't a recent development in US politics... it was a big factor in why the country exists at all.



As of the 2012 election, the issue has been more or less split roughly down party lines, with gun rights advocates gravitating toward the Republicans and gun control advocates gravitating toward the Democrats. However, within each party, differences in opinion remain—some Democrats support a nationwide gun ban, while others merely support heavier restrictions on existing weapons; likewise, some Republicans are in favor of stricter gun control laws, while others believe those already in existence should be relaxed.

Following mass shootings at San Bernardino, CA; Orlando, FL; and Newtown, CT; more Americans—conservative and liberal, Republican and Democrat—are more likely to support stricter gun regulations. Opinions differ on what these regulations should cover. Suffice it to say, most Americans believe ''something'' should be done; however, the law of unintended consequences makes it difficult for them to agree on ''what.''

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As of the 2012 election, the issue has been more or less split roughly down party lines, with gun rights advocates gravitating toward the Republicans and gun control advocates gravitating toward the Democrats. However, within each party, differences in opinion remain—some remain — some Democrats support a nationwide gun ban, while others merely support heavier restrictions on existing weapons; likewise, some Republicans are in favor of stricter gun control laws, while others believe those already in existence should be relaxed.

Following mass shootings at San Bernardino, CA; Orlando, FL; and Newtown, CT; more Americans—conservative Americans — conservative and liberal, Republican and Democrat—are Democrat — are more likely to support stricter gun regulations. Opinions differ on what these regulations should cover. Suffice it to say, most Americans believe ''something'' should be done; however, the law of unintended consequences makes it difficult for them to agree on ''what.''
11th May '17 12:31:22 AM tommythegun
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Beyond the broad categories listed above, each state has its own particular laws concerning carrying a weapon. In many, open carry is permitted as well as concealed carry; in others (such as Florida), only concealed carry is allowed, and open carry will get you arrested for brandishing a weapon or a similar charge. In still others, open carry requires no permit but concealed carry does. Every state though has laws against brandishing, or in some cases against "going armed to the terror of the public," that make illegal displaying weapons with the intent to threaten people. Also, openly displaying firearms if you're in a local community where that isn't common or appreciated, even if it may be technically legal, is very likely to lead to "person with gun" 911 calls to the police, which have the potential to end badly.

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Beyond the broad categories listed above, each state has its own particular laws concerning carrying a weapon. In many, open carry is permitted as well as concealed carry; in others (such as Florida), only concealed carry is allowed, and open carry will get you arrested for brandishing a weapon or a similar charge. In still others, open carry requires no permit but concealed carry does. Every state though has laws against brandishing, "menacing," or in some cases against "going armed to the terror of the public," that make it illegal displaying to display weapons with the intent to threaten people. Also, openly displaying firearms if you're in a local community where that isn't common or appreciated, appreciated,[[note]]e.g., many big cities and college towns, even in states with permissive carry laws[[/note]] even if it may be technically legal, is very likely to lead to "person with gun" 911 calls to the police, which have the potential to end badly.
10th May '17 11:49:49 PM tommythegun
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The history of concealed carry in the US has shifted dramatically since the 1980s. In 1986, there were only eight shall-issue states (plus Vermont, the original "Constitutional carry" state), while the rest of the country was either may-issue or no-issue.[[note]]This included the entire South with the exception of Alabama, even Texas was a no-issue state until 1995! It may be noted however that many if not most gun control laws in the United States historically were driven by racial fears.[[/note]] Within 25 years, by 2011, that ratio had completely reversed, with only nine may-issue states left. Five years later, there were more "Constitutional carry" states than may-issue states. Laws regarding concealed carry have been and continue to be in rapid flux and development, and constitute a shifting patchwork of approaches across the states.

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The history of concealed carry in the US has shifted dramatically since the 1980s. In 1986, there were only eight shall-issue states (plus Vermont, the original "Constitutional carry" state), while the rest of the country was either may-issue or no-issue.[[note]]This included the entire South with the exception of Alabama, even Texas was a no-issue state until 1995! It may be noted however that many if not most gun control laws in the United States historically were driven by racial fears.[[/note]] Within 25 years, by 2011, that ratio had completely reversed, with only nine may-issue states left. Five years later, there were more "Constitutional carry" states than may-issue states. Laws regarding concealed carry have been and continue to be in rapid flux and development, and constitute a shifting patchwork of approaches across the states.
states. As of 2016, there were over 14.5 million concealed carry permits in the United States, meaning slightly over 6% of the U.S. adult population has one, and in ten states (not counting "Constitutional carry" states), more than 10% of the adult population has one. Three states (Florida, Pennsylvania, and Texas) each have over a million active permits issued.
9th May '17 10:16:00 PM Fireblood
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No matter which side of the debate you lie on, the rights enshrined in the second ammendment are sort of the Straw the Broke the Camel's back and started the [[UsefulNotes RevolutionaryWar]]. British Troops received word that Colonial Forces were stockpiling arms and munitions in the towns of Lexington and Concord and promptly marched out to disarm the colonists. This had already been done in Boston, but the fact that most of the people in the town used such weapons for hunting for food AND militia defense against hostile Native American attacks on the city meant that the British were essentially leaving their own citizens to die in what was still largely Wilderness. While there were numerous other reasons to rebel against England and break from her, this was the was the start of the active shooting war. The seriousness of the amendment and it's meaning isn't a recent development in US politics... it was a big factor in why the country exists at all.

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No matter which side of the debate you lie on, the rights enshrined in the second ammendment amendment are sort of the Straw the Broke the Camel's back and started the [[UsefulNotes [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution RevolutionaryWar]]. British Troops troops received word that Colonial Forces forces were stockpiling arms and munitions in the towns of Lexington and Concord Concord, and promptly marched out to disarm the colonists. This had already been done in Boston, but the fact that most of the people in the town used such weapons for hunting for food AND militia defense against hostile Native American attacks on the city meant that the British were essentially leaving their own citizens to die in what was still largely Wilderness. wilderness. While there were numerous other reasons to rebel against England and break from her, this was the was the start of the active shooting war. The seriousness of the amendment and it's meaning isn't a recent development in US politics... it was a big factor in why the country exists at all.
20th Apr '17 2:31:22 PM tommythegun
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* LEOSA: Technically not a state policy, LEOSA (the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act) is a federal law originally passed in 2004 that entitles any currently serving or retired (after ten or more years of service and keeping current with firearms qualification in the past year) law enforcement officer, whether federal, state, local, or military, to carry concealed anywhere in the United States, with very few exceptions. This essentially bypasses almost all state and local limitations on carrying, including local magazine and ammunition restrictions.

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* LEOSA: Technically not a state policy, LEOSA (the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act) is a federal law originally passed in 2004 that entitles any currently serving or retired (after ten or more years of service and keeping current with firearms qualification in the past year) law enforcement officer, whether federal, state, local, or military, to carry concealed anywhere in the United States, even off-duty and on their own time, with very few exceptions. This essentially bypasses almost all state and local limitations on carrying, including local magazine and ammunition restrictions.
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