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** She shows some sympathy to Beatrice Taylor.
** She also commits the crime in a way that makes it utterly impossible to trace the crime to her, and in fact makes her look heroic in the process. This isn't heroic, but it is pretty impressive.
** Once on the island she co-stars with Lombard as the group's OnlySaneMan, even when she's going through SanitySlippage, and she constantly works with [[VillainousFriendship Lombard]] to work out who the killer is.
** Then there's the fact that she managed to outsmart Lombard while he was armed by playing on his [[FatalFlaw sexism]].

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** She shows some sympathy to Beatrice Taylor.
** She also commits the crime in a way that makes it utterly impossible to trace the crime to her, and in fact makes her look heroic in the process. This isn't heroic, but it is pretty impressive.
** Once on the island she co-stars with Lombard as the group's OnlySaneMan, even when she's going through SanitySlippage, and she constantly works with [[VillainousFriendship Lombard]] to work out who the killer is.
** Then there's the fact that she managed to outsmart Lombard while he was armed by playing on his [[FatalFlaw sexism]].
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** [[AuthorsSavingThrow This is probably why other adaptations clarify his guilt a bit better.]]

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* Lombard is unquestionably a racist, sexist guy who's done unethical things and would probably do so again if given time. His fans generally see him as an overly chivalrous guy who didn't know any better about Natives because of the time period. He's also the OnlySaneMan DeadpanSnarker of the group most of the time, making him waaaaaay more fun to read about then most other people. He's also the only person to flat-out admit his crime at the beginning, making everyone else look like dishonest liars around him.
** The thing is even though he's fairly evil, you end up rooting for him to survive because he's an engaging interesting character, and probably has the best chance of doing so.
*** Lombard's backstory also establishes that he's handled danger more than once. He immediately seems like a character with the potential to go the distance, and the reader finds it easier to root for him because he's the guest with arguably the best chance of surviving. We sense there's little danger of him not making it to the end, which we can't say about a character like the general.
*** Lombard also might be a somewhat favorite due to the fact that he's a bit like what James Bond might have been if he'd been completely selfish, somewhat morally bankrupt, and hadn't found his way into Mi-6.
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* Wargrave is a sadist and a serial killer but, much in the same line as [[Series/{{Dexter}} Dexter Morgan]], he only goes after guilty people, therefore he keeps the audience's sympathy even though he makes it clear that he killed people first and foremost for his own twisted amusement, with justice being served as a indirect bonus. Plus he offs himself at the end.

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* Wargrave is a sadist and a serial killer but, much in the same line as [[Series/{{Dexter}} Dexter Morgan]], he only goes after guilty people, therefore he keeps the audience's sympathy even though he makes it clear that he killed people first and foremost for his own twisted amusement, with justice being served as a indirect bonus. Plus he offs himself at the end. Also, he makes it clear that he's never done anything like what he does on the island before, he always kept the urge in check and settled for punishing the guilty with death sentences. It's only the knowledge that he has a terminal illness and is going to die badly that pushes him to end up doing what he does, and as we find out, everyone there pretty much deserves it.

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*** Lombard's backstory also establishes that he's handled danger more than once. He immediately seems like a character with the potential to go the distance, and the reader finds it easier to root for him because he's the guest with arguably the best chance of surviving. We sense there's little danger of him not making it to the end, which we can't say about a character like the general.
*** Lombard also might be a somewhat favorite due to the fact that he's a bit like what James Bond might have been if he'd been completely selfish, somewhat morally bankrupt, and hadn't found his way into Mi-6.
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* Wargrave is a sadist and a serial killer but, much in the same line as Dexter Morgan, he only goes after guilty people, therefore he keeps the audience's sympathy even though he makes it clear that he killed people first and foremost for his own twisted amusement, with justice being served as a indirect bonus. Plus he offs himself at the end.

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* Wargrave is a sadist and a serial killer but, much in the same line as [[Series/{{Dexter}} Dexter Morgan, Morgan]], he only goes after guilty people, therefore he keeps the audience's sympathy even though he makes it clear that he killed people first and foremost for his own twisted amusement, with justice being served as a indirect bonus. Plus he offs himself at the end.
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** She shows some sympathy to Beatrice Taylor.
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Keep in mind, Agatha Christy intended nearly every character to be an AssholeVictim.

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* General [=MacArthur=] is the only other character to rival Mrs Rogers in the {{Woobie}} department. Not only was his victim his friend. Not only is the motive that his friend was sleeping with his wife. Not only did he give his friend a potentially avoidable death (he sent him on a mission to Paris, which was occupied at the time), his wife died of grief a year later and everyone suspects him of it anyway, causing him to have no friends.

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* General [=MacArthur=] is the only other character to rival Mrs Rogers in the {{Woobie}} department. Not only was his victim his friend. Not only is the motive that his friend was sleeping with his wife. Not only did he give his friend a potentially avoidable death (he sent him on a mission to Paris, which was occupied at the time), his wife died of grief and Spanish flu a year later and everyone suspects him of it anyway, causing him to have no friends.



* Vera Claythorne murdered a child to help her boyfriend inherit some estate that he would have inherited were the child not born, he refuses to marry her because he can't provide for her. Read that sentence again and you'll at least get a grasp on why Vera gets a little sympathy.

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* Vera Claythorne murdered a child to help her boyfriend inherit some estate that he would have inherited were had the child not born, he refuses been born. Hugo refused to marry her because [[UnableToSupportAWife he can't couldn't provide for her.her]]. Read that sentence again and you'll at least get a grasp on why Vera gets a little sympathy.
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** Her "murder" so to speak, is that she would not allow a pregnant teenager to live in her house because she saw her as an immoral sinner, the girl commits suicide, which she sees as a greater sin. Thing is, she didn't actually have an obligation to let her stay. The way she drove her off was undeniably cruel, and it would have been nice if she'd let her, but nothing she did was intentional murder. It's implied that she has trouble reading people so this might also be an issue here.

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** Her "murder" so to speak, is that she would not allow a pregnant teenager to live in her house because she saw her as an immoral sinner, the girl commits suicide, which she sees as a greater sin. Thing is, she didn't actually have an obligation to let her stay. The way she drove her off was undeniably cruel, and it would have been nice if she'd let her, but nothing she did was intentional murder. It's implied that she has trouble reading people so this might also be an issue here. A certain amount of the guilt for Beatrice's death lies with the man who got her pregnant and her family, if she had any.
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* General MacArthur is the only other character to rival Mrs Rogers in the {{Woobie}} department. Not only was his victim his friend. Not only is the motive that his friend was sleeping with his wife. Not only did he give his friend a potentially avoidable death (he sent him on a mission to Paris, which was occupied at the time), his wife died of grief a year later and everyone suspects him of it anyway, causing him to have no friends.

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* General MacArthur [=MacArthur=] is the only other character to rival Mrs Rogers in the {{Woobie}} department. Not only was his victim his friend. Not only is the motive that his friend was sleeping with his wife. Not only did he give his friend a potentially avoidable death (he sent him on a mission to Paris, which was occupied at the time), his wife died of grief a year later and everyone suspects him of it anyway, causing him to have no friends.
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* [[UsefulNotes/DouglasMacArthur General MacArthur]] is the only other character to rival Mrs Rogers in the {{Woobie}} department. Not only was his victim his friend. Not only is the motive that his friend was sleeping with his wife. Not only did he give his friend a potentially avoidable death (he sent him on a mission to Paris, which was occupied at the time), his wife died of grief a year later and everyone suspects him of it anyway, causing him to have no friends.

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* [[UsefulNotes/DouglasMacArthur General MacArthur]] MacArthur is the only other character to rival Mrs Rogers in the {{Woobie}} department. Not only was his victim his friend. Not only is the motive that his friend was sleeping with his wife. Not only did he give his friend a potentially avoidable death (he sent him on a mission to Paris, which was occupied at the time), his wife died of grief a year later and everyone suspects him of it anyway, causing him to have no friends.

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Keep in mind, Agatha Christy intended nearly every character to be an AssholeVictim.



* Anthony Marston: A lot of readers may note that he seems to have a medical condition that prevents him from feeling empathy or remorse. He does seem to realize that being the two kids he ran over must have been painful but only after someone points it out to him. The fact that he's the first to die helps this a bit, as does the fact that the murderer was [[ValuesDissonance trying to remove him as a threat to society.]]

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* Anthony Marston: A lot of readers (indeed even the killer catches this) may note that he seems to have a medical condition that prevents him from feeling empathy or remorse. He does seem to realize that being the two kids he ran over must have been painful but only after someone points it out to him. The fact that he's the first to die helps this a bit, as does the fact that the murderer was was, in his own words, [[ValuesDissonance trying to remove him as a threat to society.]]
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* Wargrave is a sadist and a serial killer, but much in the same line as Dexter Morgan, he only goes after guilty people. Plus he offs himself at the end.

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* Wargrave is a sadist and a serial killer, but killer but, much in the same line as Dexter Morgan, he only goes after guilty people.people, therefore he keeps the audience's sympathy even though he makes it clear that he killed people first and foremost for his own twisted amusement, with justice being served as a indirect bonus. Plus he offs himself at the end.
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* General MacArthur is the only other character to rival Mrs Rogers the the {{Woobie}} department. Not only was his victim his friend. Not is the motive that his friend sleeping with his wife. Not only did he give his friend a potentially avoidable death (he sent him on a mission to Paris, which was occupied at the time), his wife died of grief a year later and everyone suspects him of it anyway, causing him to have no friends.

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* [[UsefulNotes/DouglasMacArthur General MacArthur MacArthur]] is the only other character to rival Mrs Rogers the in the {{Woobie}} department. Not only was his victim his friend. Not only is the motive that his friend was sleeping with his wife. Not only did he give his friend a potentially avoidable death (he sent him on a mission to Paris, which was occupied at the time), his wife died of grief a year later and everyone suspects him of it anyway, causing him to have no friends.

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* When reading this page it is important to realize that this is a rare case of the character's sympathy not being the fault of the author. Most characters here either have personality traits people like, or get the DracoInLeatherPants treatment.
* Also given the nature of this novel, spoilers will be left unmarked.

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* When reading this page it is important to realize that this is a rare case of the character's sympathy not being the fault of the author. Most characters here either have personality traits people like, or get the DracoInLeatherPants treatment.
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* Rogers gets the least of this, but it's rather notable that he is the only character to ''not'' confess to his crime. It's reasonably possible he was innocent and wrongly suspected of a crime he never committed. Note that the only "proof" of his crime is his wife's panic attack and his own shock at hearing the accusation.
** [[AuthorsSavingThrow This is probably why other adaptations clarify his guilt a bit better]]

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* Rogers gets the least of this, but it's rather notable that he is the only character to ''not'' confess to his crime. It's reasonably possible he was innocent and wrongly suspected of a crime he never committed. Note that the only "proof" of his crime is his wife's panic attack and his own shock at hearing the accusation.
accusation (As well as the fact that Wargrave thinks he's guilty).
** [[AuthorsSavingThrow This is probably why other adaptations clarify his guilt a bit better]]
better.]]



* Edward Armstrong: ...Is generally more hated than not, thanks to being the idiot who gets everyone killed but most will agree that the guilt he feels over the death he caused, as well as it being a mistake he'll never repeat makes his death at least a little sad since it accomplishes virtually nothing good for anyone on the outside world.

* Blore is one of the least sympathetic of the bunch. He was threatened by a mob who offered to get him out of a financial hard spot if he covered up a murder, and he actually has some remorse upon reconsidering the case. It goes nowhere and he dies (in an EXTREMELY violent fashion).

* Lombard is unquestionably a racist, sexist guy who's done unethical things and would probably do so again. His fanbase sees him as an overly chivalrous guy who didn't know any better about Natives because of the time period. He's also the OnlySaneMan DeadpanSnarker of the group most of the time, making him waaaaaay more fun to read about then most other people. He's also the only person to flat-out admit his crime at the beginning, making everyone else look like dishonest liars around him.

* Vera Claythorne murdered an annoying child to help her boyfriend inherit some estate that he would have inherited were the child not born. Read that sentence again and you'll at least get a grasp on why Vera gets a little sympathy. She also commits the crime in a way that makes it utterly impossible to trace the crime to her, and in fact makes her look heroic in the process.

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* Edward Armstrong: ...Is generally more hated than not, thanks to being the idiot who gets everyone killed but most will agree that the guilt he feels over the death he caused, as well as it being a mistake he'll never repeat makes his death at least a little sad sad, especially since it accomplishes virtually nothing good for anyone on he gets murdered by the outside world.

one guy he trusted.

* Blore is one of the least sympathetic characters of the bunch. He was threatened by a mob who offered to get him out of a financial hard spot if he covered up a murder, and he actually has some remorse upon reconsidering the case. It goes nowhere and he dies (in an EXTREMELY violent fashion).

fashion). He's also slightly likable in his focus chapter near the end of the book, where he handles the nighttime incident as carefully as possible.

* Lombard is unquestionably a racist, sexist guy who's done unethical things and would probably do so again. again if given time. His fanbase sees fans generally see him as an overly chivalrous guy who didn't know any better about Natives because of the time period. He's also the OnlySaneMan DeadpanSnarker of the group most of the time, making him waaaaaay more fun to read about then most other people. He's also the only person to flat-out admit his crime at the beginning, making everyone else look like dishonest liars around him.

him.
** The thing is even though he's fairly evil, you end up rooting for him to survive because he's an engaging interesting character, and probably has the best chance of doing so.

* Vera Claythorne murdered an annoying a child to help her boyfriend inherit some estate that he would have inherited were the child not born.born, he refuses to marry her because he can't provide for her. Read that sentence again and you'll at least get a grasp on why Vera gets a little sympathy.
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She also commits the crime in a way that makes it utterly impossible to trace the crime to her, and in fact makes her look heroic in the process.process. This isn't heroic, but it is pretty impressive.



** Then there's the fact that she managed to outsmart Lombard while he was armed by playing on his [[FatalFlaw sexism]].

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** Then there's the fact that she managed to outsmart Lombard while he was armed by playing on his [[FatalFlaw sexism]].sexism]].

* Wargrave is a sadist and a serial killer, but much in the same line as Dexter Morgan, he only goes after guilty people. Plus he offs himself at the end.
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* When reading this page it is important to realize that this is a rare case of the character's sympathy not being the fault of the author. Most characters here either have personality traits people like, or get the DracoInLeatherPants treatment.
* Also given the nature of this novel, spoilers will be left unmarked.
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* Anthony Marston: A lot of readers may note that he seems to have a medical condition that prevents him from feeling empathy or remorse. He does seem to realize that being the two kids he ran over must have been painful but only after someone points it out to him. The fact that he's the first to die helps this a bit, as does the fact that the murderer was [[ValuesDissonance trying to remove him as a threat to society.]]

* Mrs Rogers is probably the most sympathetic out of everyone because she clearly feels a great deal of remorse from her murder, and has never truly gotten over it. It's also extremely implied that her husband was the driving factor and she was unable to resist him.

* General MacArthur is the only other character to rival Mrs Rogers the the {{Woobie}} department. Not only was his victim his friend. Not is the motive that his friend sleeping with his wife. Not only did he give his friend a potentially avoidable death (he sent him on a mission to Paris, which was occupied at the time), his wife died of grief a year later and everyone suspects him of it anyway, causing him to have no friends.

* Rogers gets the least of this, but it's rather notable that he is the only character to ''not'' confess to his crime. It's reasonably possible he was innocent and wrongly suspected of a crime he never committed. Note that the only "proof" of his crime is his wife's panic attack and his own shock at hearing the accusation.
** [[AuthorsSavingThrow This is probably why other adaptations clarify his guilt a bit better]]

* Emily Brent: Several things in this case.
** Firstly, she's the only character in the book who actively hates racism and tries to correct Vera when she dismisses Lombard's murders as "just natives". That alone would put her into this trope but...
** She's given a rather nasty FreudianExcuse of having religion hammered into her head as a child and being repressed. This makes her murder a little more understandable.
** Her "murder" so to speak, is that she would not allow a pregnant teenager to live in her house because she saw her as an immoral sinner, the girl commits suicide, which she sees as a greater sin. Thing is, she didn't actually have an obligation to let her stay. The way she drove her off was undeniably cruel, and it would have been nice if she'd let her, but nothing she did was intentional murder. It's implied that she has trouble reading people so this might also be an issue here.
** The hallucination she has before her death shows she clearly has some repressed guilt over what happened, no matter what she says to everyone.

* Edward Armstrong: ...Is generally more hated than not, thanks to being the idiot who gets everyone killed but most will agree that the guilt he feels over the death he caused, as well as it being a mistake he'll never repeat makes his death at least a little sad since it accomplishes virtually nothing good for anyone on the outside world.

* Blore is one of the least sympathetic of the bunch. He was threatened by a mob who offered to get him out of a financial hard spot if he covered up a murder, and he actually has some remorse upon reconsidering the case. It goes nowhere and he dies (in an EXTREMELY violent fashion).

* Lombard is unquestionably a racist, sexist guy who's done unethical things and would probably do so again. His fanbase sees him as an overly chivalrous guy who didn't know any better about Natives because of the time period. He's also the OnlySaneMan DeadpanSnarker of the group most of the time, making him waaaaaay more fun to read about then most other people. He's also the only person to flat-out admit his crime at the beginning, making everyone else look like dishonest liars around him.

* Vera Claythorne murdered an annoying child to help her boyfriend inherit some estate that he would have inherited were the child not born. Read that sentence again and you'll at least get a grasp on why Vera gets a little sympathy. She also commits the crime in a way that makes it utterly impossible to trace the crime to her, and in fact makes her look heroic in the process.
** Once on the island she co-stars with Lombard as the group's OnlySaneMan, even when she's going through SanitySlippage, and she constantly works with [[VillainousFriendship Lombard]] to work out who the killer is.
** Then there's the fact that she managed to outsmart Lombard while he was armed by playing on his [[FatalFlaw sexism]].

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