History TroubledProduction / WesternAnimation

9th Aug '16 10:25:13 AM Prinzenick
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** Eventually, Phil Roman and Don Oriolo found the "Cartoonist Driven" approach of the first season to be too taxing on them, and not even worth the trouble since, despite being one of the most expensive shows that Phil Roman's studio had made, the first season turned out to be a flop in ratings, so the second season went through an extensive {{retool}}--while the first season was storyboarded while working from a basic outline, and was absurdly surreal in its premises and animation, the second season decided to take the series into a direction more in vogue with the Joe Oriolo Felix cartoons and shift production to make the show a more standard TV cartoon, with scripts replacing the all-storyboard approach (usually provided by the writer of ''WesternAnimation/GarfieldAndFriends'', Creator/MarkEvanier, [[OldShame who has remained silent on the series ever since]]), resulting in much more linear plotting and less surreal humor and more emphasis on wordplay and one liners, as well as bringing back some of the Oriolo era characters like Poindexter, Master Cylinder and The Professor. Unfortunately for them, the second season turned to be an [[GoneHorriblyWrong even]] ''[[GoneHorriblyWrong bigger]]'' [[GoneHorriblyWrong flop in the ratings]], [[CreatorBacklash was seen as a disaster in the eyes of everyone involved with it]], and it ultimately got the show canned, with season 2 [[CutShort ending after just 8 episodes.]] The shows failure ultimately put the Felix the Cat cartoons on ice yet ''again'', with only low key revivals coming of the series after the fact.

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** Eventually, Phil Roman and Don Oriolo found the "Cartoonist Driven" approach of the first season to be too taxing on them, and not even worth the trouble since, despite being one of the most expensive shows that Phil Roman's studio had made, the first season turned out to be a flop in ratings, so the second season went through an extensive {{retool}}--while the first season was storyboarded while working from a basic outline, and was absurdly surreal in its premises and animation, the second season decided to take the series into a direction more in vogue with the Joe Oriolo Felix cartoons and shift production to make the show a more standard TV cartoon, with scripts replacing the all-storyboard approach (usually provided by the writer of ''WesternAnimation/GarfieldAndFriends'', Creator/MarkEvanier, [[OldShame who has remained silent on the series ever since]]), resulting in much more linear plotting and less surreal humor and more emphasis on wordplay and one liners, as well as bringing back some of the Oriolo era characters like Poindexter, Master Cylinder and The Professor. Unfortunately for them, the second season turned to be an [[GoneHorriblyWrong even]] ''[[GoneHorriblyWrong bigger]]'' [[GoneHorriblyWrong flop in the ratings]], [[CreatorBacklash was seen as a disaster in the eyes of everyone involved with it]], and it ultimately got the show canned, with season 2 [[CutShort ending after just 8 episodes.]] The shows failure ultimately [[FranchiseKiller put the Felix the Cat cartoons on ice yet ''again'', yet]] ''[[FranchiseKiller again]]'' (having already gone through it with [[WesternAnimation/FelixTheCatTheMovie the 1991 movie]], which was a box office bomb), with only low key revivals coming of the series after the fact.
9th Aug '16 10:24:13 AM Prinzenick
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheTwistedTalesOfFelixTheCat'' cartoon went through this, [[http://web.archive.org/web/20111219032547/http://classiccartoonreviews.blogspot.com/2011/03/twisted-tale-of-twisted-tales-of-felix.html according to animator Milton Knight]], who worked on the first season. He recalled the experience was fun, but not exactly ideal;

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheTwistedTalesOfFelixTheCat'' cartoon cartoon, an attempt to revive the WesternAnimation/FelixTheCat cartoons for the mid 90's, went through this, [[http://web.archive.org/web/20111219032547/http://classiccartoonreviews.blogspot.com/2011/03/twisted-tale-of-twisted-tales-of-felix.html according to animator Milton Knight]], who worked on the first season. He recalled the experience was fun, but not exactly ideal;
9th Aug '16 10:22:54 AM Prinzenick
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheTwistedTalesOfFelixTheCat'' cartoon went through this, [[http://web.archive.org/web/20111219032547/http://classiccartoonreviews.blogspot.com/2011/03/twisted-tale-of-twisted-tales-of-felix.html according to animator Milton Knight]], who worked on the first season. He recalled the experience was fun, but not exactly ideal. One major problem during production was that they couldn't make up their mind what kind of cartoon this was supposed to be--studio head Phil Roman was most comfortable with the plot-and-dialogue-driven approach used in his commercial successes WesternAnimation/GarfieldAndFriends and WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons, and had given this series what seemed like a guarded blessing--there was one group who wanted a Felix like the Creator/OttoMessmer shorts, one group who wanted [[Creator/MaxAndDaveFleischer Max Fleischer]] surreality, Don Oriolo, the current owner of Felix, wanting it to be like his dad's made-for-TV Felix cartoons (which most of the staff working on the show was against--they ultimately, but begrudgingly, added certain elements from it into ''Twisted Tales'', like the Magic Bag), one group who wanted the show to be WesternAnimation/RenAndStimpy-esque (understandable, since some of the artists on the show were former WesternAnimation/RenAndStimpy artists), and one director who wanted a ''Creator/RobertCrumb'' influence! Another problem was that in addition to having a month to storyboard, design and do layout work on each short, they could not learn from their mistakes, because by the time film began to come in, the season had been just about wrapped up. The artists had no say on retakes in animation either, which was left to Phil Roman to decide--and unfortunately, the overseas animation on the show tended to be rather sluggish. Eventually, Phil Roman and Don Oriolo found the "Cartoonist Driven" approach of the first season to be too taxing on them, and not even worth the trouble since, despite being one of the most expensive shows that Phil Roman's studio had made, the first season turned out to be a flop in ratings, so the second season went through an extensive {{retool}}--while the first season was storyboarded while working from a basic outline, and was absurdly surreal in its premises and animation, the second season decided to take the series into a direction more in vogue with the Joe Oriolo Felix cartoons and shift production to make the show a more standard TV cartoon, with scripts replacing the all-storyboard approach (usually provided by the writer of ''WesternAnimation/GarfieldAndFriends'', Creator/MarkEvanier, [[OldShame who has remained silent on the series ever since]]), resulting in much more linear plotting and less surreal humor and more emphasis on wordplay and one liners, as well as bringing back some of the Oriolo era characters like Poindexter, Master Cylinder and The Professor. Unfortunately for them, the second season turned to be an [[GoneHorriblyWrong even]] ''[[GoneHorriblyWrong bigger]]'' [[GoneHorriblyWrong flop in the ratings]], [[CreatorBacklash was seen as a disaster in the eyes of everyone involved with it]], and it ultimately got the show canned, with season 2 [[CutShort ending after just 8 episodes.]] The shows failure ultimately put the Felix the Cat cartoons on ice yet ''again'', with only low key revivals coming of the series after the fact.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheTwistedTalesOfFelixTheCat'' cartoon went through this, [[http://web.archive.org/web/20111219032547/http://classiccartoonreviews.blogspot.com/2011/03/twisted-tale-of-twisted-tales-of-felix.html according to animator Milton Knight]], who worked on the first season. He recalled the experience was fun, but not exactly ideal. ideal;
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One major problem during production was that they couldn't make up their mind what kind of cartoon this was supposed to be--studio head Phil Roman was most comfortable with the plot-and-dialogue-driven approach used in his commercial successes WesternAnimation/GarfieldAndFriends and WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons, and had given this series what seemed like a guarded blessing--there was one group who wanted a Felix like the Creator/OttoMessmer shorts, one group who wanted [[Creator/MaxAndDaveFleischer Max Fleischer]] surreality, Don Oriolo, the current owner of Felix, wanting it to be like his dad's made-for-TV Felix cartoons (which most of the staff working on the show was against--they ultimately, but begrudgingly, added certain elements from it into ''Twisted Tales'', like the Magic Bag), one group who wanted the show to be WesternAnimation/RenAndStimpy-esque (understandable, since some of the artists on the show were former WesternAnimation/RenAndStimpy artists), and one director who wanted a ''Creator/RobertCrumb'' influence! With so many cooks in the kitchen, the direction of the show and characters tended to be all over the place.
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Another problem was that in addition to having a month to storyboard, design and do layout work on each short, they could not learn from their mistakes, because by the time film began to come in, the season had been just about wrapped up. The artists had no say on retakes in animation either, which was left to Phil Roman to decide--and unfortunately, the overseas animation on the show tended to be rather sluggish.
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Eventually, Phil Roman and Don Oriolo found the "Cartoonist Driven" approach of the first season to be too taxing on them, and not even worth the trouble since, despite being one of the most expensive shows that Phil Roman's studio had made, the first season turned out to be a flop in ratings, so the second season went through an extensive {{retool}}--while the first season was storyboarded while working from a basic outline, and was absurdly surreal in its premises and animation, the second season decided to take the series into a direction more in vogue with the Joe Oriolo Felix cartoons and shift production to make the show a more standard TV cartoon, with scripts replacing the all-storyboard approach (usually provided by the writer of ''WesternAnimation/GarfieldAndFriends'', Creator/MarkEvanier, [[OldShame who has remained silent on the series ever since]]), resulting in much more linear plotting and less surreal humor and more emphasis on wordplay and one liners, as well as bringing back some of the Oriolo era characters like Poindexter, Master Cylinder and The Professor. Unfortunately for them, the second season turned to be an [[GoneHorriblyWrong even]] ''[[GoneHorriblyWrong bigger]]'' [[GoneHorriblyWrong flop in the ratings]], [[CreatorBacklash was seen as a disaster in the eyes of everyone involved with it]], and it ultimately got the show canned, with season 2 [[CutShort ending after just 8 episodes.]] The shows failure ultimately put the Felix the Cat cartoons on ice yet ''again'', with only low key revivals coming of the series after the fact.
9th Aug '16 10:21:06 AM Prinzenick
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheTwistedTalesOfFelixTheCat'' cartoon went through this, [[http://web.archive.org/web/20111219032547/http://classiccartoonreviews.blogspot.com/2011/03/twisted-tale-of-twisted-tales-of-felix.html according to animator Milton Knight]], who worked on the first season.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheTwistedTalesOfFelixTheCat'' cartoon went through this, [[http://web.archive.org/web/20111219032547/http://classiccartoonreviews.blogspot.com/2011/03/twisted-tale-of-twisted-tales-of-felix.html according to animator Milton Knight]], who worked on the first season. He recalled the experience was fun, but not exactly ideal. One major problem during production was that they couldn't make up their mind what kind of cartoon this was supposed to be--studio head Phil Roman was most comfortable with the plot-and-dialogue-driven approach used in his commercial successes WesternAnimation/GarfieldAndFriends and WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons, and had given this series what seemed like a guarded blessing--there was one group who wanted a Felix like the Creator/OttoMessmer shorts, one group who wanted [[Creator/MaxAndDaveFleischer Max Fleischer]] surreality, Don Oriolo, the current owner of Felix, wanting it to be like his dad's made-for-TV Felix cartoons (which most of the staff working on the show was against--they ultimately, but begrudgingly, added certain elements from it into ''Twisted Tales'', like the Magic Bag), one group who wanted the show to be WesternAnimation/RenAndStimpy-esque (understandable, since some of the artists on the show were former WesternAnimation/RenAndStimpy artists), and one director who wanted a ''Creator/RobertCrumb'' influence! Another problem was that in addition to having a month to storyboard, design and do layout work on each short, they could not learn from their mistakes, because by the time film began to come in, the season had been just about wrapped up. The artists had no say on retakes in animation either, which was left to Phil Roman to decide--and unfortunately, the overseas animation on the show tended to be rather sluggish. Eventually, Phil Roman and Don Oriolo found the "Cartoonist Driven" approach of the first season to be too taxing on them, and not even worth the trouble since, despite being one of the most expensive shows that Phil Roman's studio had made, the first season turned out to be a flop in ratings, so the second season went through an extensive {{retool}}--while the first season was storyboarded while working from a basic outline, and was absurdly surreal in its premises and animation, the second season decided to take the series into a direction more in vogue with the Joe Oriolo Felix cartoons and shift production to make the show a more standard TV cartoon, with scripts replacing the all-storyboard approach (usually provided by the writer of ''WesternAnimation/GarfieldAndFriends'', Creator/MarkEvanier, [[OldShame who has remained silent on the series ever since]]), resulting in much more linear plotting and less surreal humor and more emphasis on wordplay and one liners, as well as bringing back some of the Oriolo era characters like Poindexter, Master Cylinder and The Professor. Unfortunately for them, the second season turned to be an [[GoneHorriblyWrong even]] ''[[GoneHorriblyWrong bigger]]'' [[GoneHorriblyWrong flop in the ratings]], [[CreatorBacklash was seen as a disaster in the eyes of everyone involved with it]], and it ultimately got the show canned, with season 2 [[CutShort ending after just 8 episodes.]] The shows failure ultimately put the Felix the Cat cartoons on ice yet ''again'', with only low key revivals coming of the series after the fact.
16th Jul '16 1:07:27 AM bombadil211
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** ''Disney/TheEmperorsNewGroove'' started as ''Kingdom of the Sun'', a PrinceAndPauper epic directed by Roger Allers. Since the writers weren't very successful in adding original material and test audiences weren't reacting well, another director, Mark Dindal, was hired to see if things evolved. As [[AnimationLeadTime the deadline got closer]] and Allers and Dindal were basically working at two movies simultaneously (the former with a drama, and the latter with a comedy), the higher-ups intervened and Allers quit. After a six-month interval where Dindal and some writers reworked the movie, the film became the screwball comedy that eventually saw the light of day. It was all documented in ''The Sweatbox'', a film shot by Trudie Styler (as her husband Sting wrote songs for the movie) that Disney makes sure that never gets released.

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** ''Disney/TheEmperorsNewGroove'' started as ''Kingdom of the Sun'', a PrinceAndPauper epic directed by Roger Allers. Since the writers weren't very successful in adding original material and test audiences weren't reacting well, another director, Mark Dindal, was hired to see if things evolved. As [[AnimationLeadTime the deadline got closer]] and Allers and Dindal were basically working at two movies simultaneously (the former with a drama, and the latter with a comedy), the higher-ups intervened and Allers quit. After a six-month interval where Dindal and some writers reworked the movie, the film became the screwball comedy that eventually saw the light of day. The ending then had to be rewritten just before release because Sting disagreed with the moral message and was going to quit the project. It was all documented in ''The Sweatbox'', a film shot by Trudie Styler (as her husband Sting wrote songs for the movie) that Disney makes sure that never gets released.



** ''WesternAnimation/TheGoodDinosaur'' was originally scheduled to be released in June 2014, but plot troubles caused its director and producer to be replaced and the film's release date to be pushed back to November 2015.

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** ''WesternAnimation/TheGoodDinosaur'' was originally scheduled to be released in June 2014, but plot troubles caused its director and producer to be replaced replaced, the original script and recorded dialogue scrapped, and the entire cast replaced. The film's release date to be was pushed back to November 2015.
12th Jul '16 4:10:24 PM CumbersomeTercel
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** ''Film/BeautyAndTheBeast'': The animators were given no vacation time during the film's production in order for everything to be absolutely flawless, partially owing to Jeff Katenberg's admitted impatience with the medium. Several of the artists' marriages were broken up as a result; some artists even claimed to buying new clothing on their break time because they couldn't go home to do laundry, and plenty more up and quit. The grueling work clearly shows, but Katzenberg decided not to do this again when he saw how miserable his staff was as a result.
22nd Jun '16 3:48:47 AM Adept
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* The [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation 1939]] FleischerStudios adaptation of ''WesternAnimation/GulliversTravels'' went through this. Many staffers, including animators ShamusCulhane and Creator/GrimNatwick, recall that the film had a lot of behind the scenes troubles that ended up hurting the quality:

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* The [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation 1939]] FleischerStudios Creator/FleischerStudios adaptation of ''WesternAnimation/GulliversTravels'' went through this. Many staffers, including animators ShamusCulhane and Creator/GrimNatwick, recall that the film had a lot of behind the scenes troubles that ended up hurting the quality:
17th Jun '16 9:18:20 PM Pren
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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'', despite being instantly heralded as a classic and one of the defining series of the Disney Channel, suffered constant issues due to its creator Alex Hirsch's lack of experience in running an entire show (he was only 27 years old when it started). By the time the first season wrapped, Hirsch was so exhausted that he seriously considered ending the show right there, leaving it forever on an incredibly tantalizing {{Cliffhanger}}. It wasn't until he shared his plans with Jon Stewart, a huge fan who was horrified at the idea, that he decided to press on, though cutting his plans for the show to run three seasons down to just two. The Disney Channel execs weren't very happy about losing one of their most acclaimed shows so soon, and forbade him from revealing the plan to end the show to the public until the season was almost over, spending the entire time in between trying to talk him into continuing it to no avail. When the announcement finally couldn't be put off anymore, Hirsch was a complete stand up guy about it, making clear that the two season run was entirely his own decision and the fans shouldn't blame anyone at Disney for it, and ultimately came out of the experience with a highly acclaimed project he got to end on his own terms, about the happiest ending to the story possible.
23rd Apr '16 12:21:34 PM Anicomicgeek
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* The Franchise/TransformersAlignedUniverse [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Aligned#Clashing_visions is a]] [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Binder_of_Revelation clusterfuck]], between ''WesternAnimation/TransformersRescueBots'' being forced into it, the ''WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime'' crew's decision to try to ignore the [[SeriesBible Binder of Revelation]] and [[http://sunnybutte.tumblr.com/post/131367083128/that-explains-a-lot-of-the-mess-that-was as shown its own]] [[http://sunnybutte.tumblr.com/post/131368170623/and-if-you-were-wondering-why-beast-hunters-was behind the scenes drama]], and IDW couldn't help out.

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* The Franchise/TransformersAlignedUniverse [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Aligned#Clashing_visions is a]] [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Binder_of_Revelation clusterfuck]], between ''WesternAnimation/TransformersRescueBots'' being forced into it, the ''WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime'' crew's decision to try to ignore the [[SeriesBible Binder of Revelation]] and [[http://sunnybutte.tumblr.com/post/131367083128/that-explains-a-lot-of-the-mess-that-was as shown its own]] [[http://sunnybutte.tumblr.com/post/131368170623/and-if-you-were-wondering-why-beast-hunters-was behind the scenes drama]], and IDW couldn't 's inability to shift to help out.
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