History Trivia / TrueGrit

21st Sep '17 2:42:04 PM GothicProphet
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Creator/MichaelBiehn auditioned for Ned Pepper.

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Creator/MichaelBiehn auditioned for Ned Pepper.Pepper.
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5th Sep '17 6:10:56 AM omnicritic
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* DawsonCasting: Creator/HaileeSteinfeld was 13 at the time, while Creator/JeffBridges wa 61.

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* DawsonCasting: Creator/HaileeSteinfeld was 13 at the time, while Creator/JeffBridges wa was 61.
9th Aug '17 3:40:02 PM ClintEastwood
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!!1969 version



** #36 Hero, Rooster Cogburn (1969 film)
* AwardCategoryFraud: Despite Mattie being the protagonist of ''True Grit'', Creator/HaileeSteinfeld for Creator/TheCoenBrothers' adaptation was demoted by almost every single film awards association to "Best Supporting Actress" while her co-star Creator/JeffBridges was nominated for Best Actor. [[note]]Though for the Oscars at least, there is a theory it was to give her a better chance of actually ''winning'', since Best Actress was considered a lock for Creator/NataliePortman at the time. [[/note]]
* BillingDisplacement: In the 2010 film, Creator/JoshBrolin is billed third and above the title, but doesn't appear until an hour in and has somewhat less presence.
** AndStarring: Creator/HaileeSteinfeld, despite being the protagonist, is the last name to appear in the credits. This may be partially due to it being her first film.
* CaliforniaDoubling:
** 1969 version -- The story takes place in the [[DeepSouth Ozarks]], but the landscape in the movie doesn't look like the Ozarks. In fact, it was shot in Colorado and California. The contrast between the tall granite snow covered peaks of the Rockies and High Sierras, and the actual weathered hills of the Ouachita, Boston, and Arbuckle mountains of Oklahoma and Arkansas is so extreme, this veers into TheMountainsOfIllinois territory. No, you can't actually go skiing in Oklahoma.
** 2010 version -- Set in Eastern Oklahoma, shot in New Mexico and Texas. As anyone familiar with Oklahoma (or New Mexico and Texas!) can tell you, they don't really look alike.
* CreatorBacklash: For the 1969 version:

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** #36 Hero, Rooster Cogburn (1969 film)
Cogburn
* AwardCategoryFraud: Despite Mattie being the protagonist of ''True Grit'', Creator/HaileeSteinfeld for Creator/TheCoenBrothers' adaptation was demoted by almost every single film awards association to "Best Supporting Actress" while her co-star Creator/JeffBridges was nominated for Best Actor. [[note]]Though for the Oscars at least, there is a theory it was to give her a better chance of actually ''winning'', since Best Actress was considered a lock for Creator/NataliePortman at the time. [[/note]]
* BillingDisplacement: In the 2010 film, Creator/JoshBrolin is billed third and above the title, but doesn't appear until an hour in and has somewhat less presence.
** AndStarring: Creator/HaileeSteinfeld, despite being the protagonist, is the last name to appear in the credits. This may be partially due to it being her first film.
* CaliforniaDoubling:
** 1969 version --
CaliforniaDoubling: The story takes place in the [[DeepSouth Ozarks]], but the landscape in the movie doesn't look like the Ozarks. In fact, it was shot in Colorado and California. The contrast between the tall granite snow covered peaks of the Rockies and High Sierras, and the actual weathered hills of the Ouachita, Boston, and Arbuckle mountains of Oklahoma and Arkansas is so extreme, this veers into TheMountainsOfIllinois territory. No, you can't actually go skiing in Oklahoma.
** 2010 version -- Set in Eastern Oklahoma, shot in New Mexico and Texas. As anyone familiar with Oklahoma (or New Mexico and Texas!) can tell you, they don't really look alike.
* CreatorBacklash: For the 1969 version:



* TheDanza: Creator/BarryPepper plays Lucky Ned Pepper.
* DawsonCasting: In the book, Mattie is about fourteen -- and prepubescent.
** 1969 film: Kim Darby, who was well into her twenties.
** 2010 film: Creator/HaileeSteinfeld, who was 13 at the time.
** Rooster Cogburn was supposed to be around 40. Creator/JohnWayne and Creator/JeffBridges were both 61.
* DisabledCharacterDisabledActor: In the 2010 film, a woman missing her left forearm (due to a birth defect) was hired to play older Mattie in shots that don't show her face. She winds up having more screen time than the actress that plays older Mattie, mostly due to the long shot at the end of Mattie [[spoiler:walking away from Rooster's grave]] that lasts into the credits.

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* TheDanza: Creator/BarryPepper plays Lucky Ned Pepper.
* DawsonCasting: In the book,
DawsonCasting:
**
Mattie is was about fourteen -- in the book and prepubescent.
** 1969 film:
prepubescent. Kim Darby, who Darby was well into her twenties.
** 2010 film: Creator/HaileeSteinfeld, who was 13 at the time.
twenties.
** Rooster Cogburn was supposed to be around 40. is forty in the book. Creator/JohnWayne and Creator/JeffBridges were both 61.
* DisabledCharacterDisabledActor: In the 2010 film, a woman missing her left forearm (due to a birth defect)
was hired to play older Mattie in shots that don't show her face. She winds up having more screen time than the actress that plays older Mattie, mostly due to the long shot 61 at the end of Mattie [[spoiler:walking away from Rooster's grave]] time.
* HostilityOnTheSet: Creator/JohnWayne didn't have a pleasant time on the film.
** He disliked Kim Darby's performance and the two hardly spoke off-camera.
** He was so annoyed by Robert Duvall's MethodActing approach
that lasts into he threatened to punch him if he questioned the credits.director one more time.
** Creator/DennisHopper claimed that Wayne chased him round the studio with a loaded gun.
-->I was like his in-house commie. If anything went wrong on set, he'd yell, "Where's that pinko Hopper?" On ''True Grit'', he arrived one day in his helicopter, and started shouting: "My daughter went up to UCLA yesterday and that communist Stokely Carmichael made a speech using all this four-letter language, and I want that fucking pinko Hopper, I want his fucking head!" But he was always funny to me, I think he liked me. And his sons were good friends of mine. He just believed I was a communist.



** Creator/MichaelBiehn auditioned for Ned Pepper.

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!!2010 version
* AwardCategoryFraud: Despite Mattie being the protagonist, Creator/HaileeSteinfeld was demoted by almost every single film awards association to "Best Supporting Actress" while her co-star Creator/JeffBridges was nominated for Best Actor. [[note]]Though for the Oscars at least, there is a theory it was to give her a better chance of actually ''winning'', since Best Actress was considered a lock for Creator/NataliePortman at the time. [[/note]]
* BillingDisplacement: Creator/JoshBrolin is billed third and above the title, but doesn't appear until an hour in and has somewhat less presence.
** AndStarring: Creator/HaileeSteinfeld, despite being the protagonist, is the last name to appear in the credits. This may be partially due to it being her first film.
* CaliforniaDoubling: Set in Eastern Oklahoma, shot in New Mexico and Texas. As anyone familiar with Oklahoma (or New Mexico and Texas!) can tell you, they don't really look alike.
* TheDanza: Creator/BarryPepper plays Lucky Ned Pepper.
* DawsonCasting: Creator/HaileeSteinfeld was 13 at the time, while Creator/JeffBridges wa 61.
* DisabledCharacterDisabledActor: A woman missing her left forearm (due to a birth defect) was hired to play older Mattie in shots that don't show her face. She winds up having more screen time than the actress that plays older Mattie, mostly due to the long shot at the end of Mattie [[spoiler:walking away from Rooster's grave]] that lasts into the credits.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen:
Creator/MichaelBiehn auditioned for Ned Pepper.
17th Jan '17 7:05:22 PM creader
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* CaliforniaDoubling:
** 1969 version -- The story takes place in the [[DeepSouth Ozarks]], but the landscape in the movie doesn't look like the Ozarks. In fact, it was shot in Colorado and California. The contrast between the tall granite snow covered peaks of the Rockies and High Sierras, and the actual weathered hills of the Ouachita, Boston, and Arbuckle mountains of Oklahoma and Arkansas is so extreme, this veers into TheMountainsOfIllinois territory. No, you can't actually go skiing in Oklahoma.
** 2010 version -- Set in Eastern Oklahoma, shot in New Mexico and Texas. As anyone familiar with Oklahoma (or New Mexico and Texas!) can tell you, they don't really look alike.
4th Jan '17 5:12:54 PM CumbersomeTercel
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* AwardCategoryFraud: Despite Mattie being the protagonist of ''True Grit'', Creator/Haile Steinfeld for Creator/TheCoenBrothers' adaptation was demoted by almost every single film awards association to "Best Supporting Actress" while her co-star Creator/JeffBridges was nominated for Best Actor. [[note]]Though for the Oscars at least, there is a theory it was to give her a better chance of actually ''winning'', since Best Actress was considered a lock for Creator/NataliePortman at the time. [[/note]]

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* AwardCategoryFraud: Despite Mattie being the protagonist of ''True Grit'', Creator/Haile Steinfeld Creator/HaileeSteinfeld for Creator/TheCoenBrothers' adaptation was demoted by almost every single film awards association to "Best Supporting Actress" while her co-star Creator/JeffBridges was nominated for Best Actor. [[note]]Though for the Oscars at least, there is a theory it was to give her a better chance of actually ''winning'', since Best Actress was considered a lock for Creator/NataliePortman at the time. [[/note]]
4th Jan '17 5:12:05 PM CumbersomeTercel
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** Creator/SallyField was up for Mattie Ross.

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** [[Music/{{Carpenters}} Karen Carpenter]] and Creator/SallyField was up were considered for Mattie Ross.
4th Jan '17 5:06:24 PM CumbersomeTercel
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* RetroactiveRecognition: At the end of the 1969 film, Cogburn is congratulated for his heroics by [[Franchise/WinnieThePooh Piglet]].
4th Jan '17 5:06:02 PM CumbersomeTercel
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* AwardCategoryFraud: Despite Mattie being the protagonist of ''True Grit'', Hailee Steinfeld for the Coen Brothers' adaptation was demoted by almost every single film awards association to "Best Supporting Actress" while her co-star Jeff Bridges was nominated for Best Actor. [[note]]Though for the Oscars at least, there is a theory it was to give her a better chance of actually ''winning'', since Best Actress was considered a lock for Natalie Portman at the time. [[/note]]
* BillingDisplacement: In the 2010 film, Josh Brolin is billed third and above the title, but doesn't appear until an hour in and has somewhat less presence.
** AndStarring: HaileeSteinfeld, despite being the protagonist, is the last name to appear in the credits. This may be partially due to it being her first film.
* TheDanza: Barry Pepper plays Lucky Ned Pepper.

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* AwardCategoryFraud: Despite Mattie being the protagonist of ''True Grit'', Hailee Creator/Haile Steinfeld for the Coen Brothers' Creator/TheCoenBrothers' adaptation was demoted by almost every single film awards association to "Best Supporting Actress" while her co-star Jeff Bridges Creator/JeffBridges was nominated for Best Actor. [[note]]Though for the Oscars at least, there is a theory it was to give her a better chance of actually ''winning'', since Best Actress was considered a lock for Natalie Portman Creator/NataliePortman at the time. [[/note]]
* BillingDisplacement: In the 2010 film, Josh Brolin Creator/JoshBrolin is billed third and above the title, but doesn't appear until an hour in and has somewhat less presence.
** AndStarring: HaileeSteinfeld, Creator/HaileeSteinfeld, despite being the protagonist, is the last name to appear in the credits. This may be partially due to it being her first film.
* CreatorBacklash: For the 1969 version:
** Henry Hathaway later said he hated Music/GlenCampbell's performance, which he described as wooden, and claimed the singer was only cast so he could have a hit with the theme song which would help promote the film.
** Creator/JohnWayne was not pleased with the finished film. He greatly disliked Kim Darby's performance, and while promoting the film for its U.S. release in June 1969, he told interviewers that he had starred in much better films, citing ''Film/{{Stagecoach}}'' as an example. Hathaway also felt she was wrong for the part.
* TheDanza: Barry Pepper Creator/BarryPepper plays Lucky Ned Pepper.



** 2010 film: HaileeSteinfeld, who was 13 at the time.

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** 2010 film: HaileeSteinfeld, Creator/HaileeSteinfeld, who was 13 at the time.time.
** Rooster Cogburn was supposed to be around 40. Creator/JohnWayne and Creator/JeffBridges were both 61.



* PlayingAgainstType: John Wayne usually played straight heroes, not middle-aged drunken {{Anti Hero}}es.
* RetroactiveRecognition: At the end of the 1969 film, Cogburn is congratulated for his heroics by [[Franchise/WinnieThePooh Piglet]].

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* PlayingAgainstType: John Wayne Creator/JohnWayne usually played straight heroes, not middle-aged drunken {{Anti Hero}}es.
* RetroactiveRecognition: At the end of the 1969 film, Cogburn is congratulated for his heroics by [[Franchise/WinnieThePooh Piglet]].Piglet]].
* WhatCouldHaveBeen:
** Creator/SallyField was up for Mattie Ross.
** Music/ElvisPresley was considered for La Boeuf, but "Colonel" Tom Parker, his manager, insisted that Presley should receive top billing.
** Creator/MichaelBiehn auditioned for Ned Pepper.
19th Oct '16 6:11:04 PM youfeelingluckypunk27
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* RetroactiveRecognition: At Cogburn's trial in the 1969 film, he's prosecuted by [[Franchise/WinnieThePooh Piglet]].

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* RetroactiveRecognition: At Cogburn's trial in the end of the 1969 film, he's prosecuted Cogburn is congratulated for his heroics by [[Franchise/WinnieThePooh Piglet]].
19th Oct '16 3:55:01 PM youfeelingluckypunk27
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* PlayingAgainstType: John Wayne usually played straight heroes, not middle-aged drunken {{Anti Hero}}es.

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* PlayingAgainstType: John Wayne usually played straight heroes, not middle-aged drunken {{Anti Hero}}es.Hero}}es.
* RetroactiveRecognition: At Cogburn's trial in the 1969 film, he's prosecuted by [[Franchise/WinnieThePooh Piglet]].
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