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* NamesTheSame: The "Bizarro Reborn" arc brings back The Colony, [[ComicBook/TheNew52 Harvest's underground base]]. Leading to some confusion among the readers due sharing the same name as the military group introduced in the first arc of ''ComicBook/DetectiveComicsRebirth''.
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* DearNegativeReader: Creator/ScottLobdell is known for complaining about the negative reception towards his writing in nearly every interview.
* ExecutiveMeddling: Lobdell has [[https://batman-news.com/2017/12/21/his-name-is-not-stupido-scott-lobdell-on-rhato-rebirth-and-reductionist-criticism/ claimed]] that he frequently has to modify his plots (at times nixing them altogether) due to editorial requests. It's also commonly known that Lobdell [[ProtectionFromEditors enjoyed a level of protection from former Editor-in-Chief Bob Harras]] due to their friendship from working at Marvel together, which has prevented Lobdell from being replaced on the title despite poor reception, poor sales, and numerous sexual harassment incidents.
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--->'''Scott Lobdell:''' ''I will say that, traditionally, in the past, readers of RHATO and Red Hood/Arsenal can notice where stories were set-up and set-up and set-up, only to have the conclusion of the story go careening off the tracks. I can say that there have been many times where I’ve started a story and someone from upstairs decreed that a particular plot thread had to be dropped, or a whole other plot thread needed to be added, or an entire story arc had to be gutted in the middle of the story. Those times have been very frustrating for me—but as a professional writer of some thirty years, I’ve always felt that part of the profession means that I need to turn in the story the editor/publisher wants and not always the story I want to write, or begin, or end.''

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--->'''Scott -->'''Scott Lobdell:''' ''I will say that, traditionally, in the past, readers of RHATO and Red Hood/Arsenal can notice where stories were set-up and set-up and set-up, only to have the conclusion of the story go careening off the tracks. I can say that there have been many times where I’ve started a story and someone from upstairs decreed that a particular plot thread had to be dropped, or a whole other plot thread needed to be added, or an entire story arc had to be gutted in the middle of the story. Those times have been very frustrating for me—but as a professional writer of some thirty years, I’ve always felt that part of the profession means that I need to turn in the story the editor/publisher wants and not always the story I want to write, or begin, or end.''
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* ExecutiveMeddling: Lobdell has [[https://batman-news.com/2017/12/21/his-name-is-not-stupido-scott-lobdell-on-rhato-rebirth-and-reductionist-criticism/ claimed]] that he frequently has to modify his plots (at times nixing them altogether) due to editorial requests. It's also commonly known that Lobdell [[ProtectionFromEditors enjoyed a level of protection from former Editor-in-Chief Bob Harras]] due to their friendship from working at Marvel together, which has prevented Lobdell from being replaced on the title despite poor reception, poor sales, and numerous sexual harassment incidents.

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Removed a zce within Dear Negative Reader about bullying an interviewer and placed a What Could Have Been example under Writing By The Seat Of Your Pants.


* DearNegativeReader: Creator/ScottLobdell is known for complaining about the negative reception towards his writing in nearly every interview.
* ExecutiveMeddling: Lobdell has [[https://batman-news.com/2017/12/21/his-name-is-not-stupido-scott-lobdell-on-rhato-rebirth-and-reductionist-criticism/ claimed]] that he frequently has to modify his plots (at times nixing them altogether) due to editorial requests. It's also commonly known that Lobdell [[ProtectionFromEditors enjoyed a level of protection from former Editor-in-Chief Bob Harras]] due to their friendship from working at Marvel together, which has prevented Lobdell from being replaced on the title despite poor reception, poor sales, and numerous sexual harassment incidents.
* ExecutiveMeddling: Lobdell has [[https://batman-news.com/2017/12/21/his-name-is-not-stupido-scott-lobdell-on-rhato-rebirth-and-reductionist-criticism/ claimed]] that he frequently has to modify his plots (at times nixing them altogether) due to editorial requests. It's also commonly known that Lobdell [[ProtectionFromEditors enjoyed a level of protection from former Editor-in-Chief Bob Harras]] due to their friendship from working at Marvel together, which has prevented Lobdell from being replaced on the title despite poor reception, poor sales, and numerous sexual harassment incidents.



-->'''Lobdell:''' ''I've said in other interviews that I'm not a writer that likes to plan ahead. Because, really, there isn't a lot of planning ahead in life either — and if we want our characters to feel life-like, we have to be prepared for the curves that life throws at them.''

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-->'''Lobdell:''' ''I've said in other interviews that I'm not a writer that likes to plan ahead. Because, really, there isn't a lot of planning ahead in life either — and if we want our characters to feel life-like, we have to be prepared for the curves that life throws at them.''
** In another interview:
--->'''Scott Lobdell:''' ''I will say that, traditionally, in the past, readers of RHATO and Red Hood/Arsenal can notice where stories were set-up and set-up and set-up, only to have the conclusion of the story go careening off the tracks. I can say that there have been many times where I’ve started a story and someone from upstairs decreed that a particular plot thread had to be dropped, or a whole other plot thread needed to be added, or an entire story arc had to be gutted in the middle of the story. Those times have been very frustrating for me—but as a professional writer of some thirty years, I’ve always felt that part of the profession means that I need to turn in the story the editor/publisher wants and not always the story I want to write, or begin, or end.
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Removing edits by a ban evader. Removing excessive complaining.


* DearNegativeReader: Creator/ScottLobdell is known for complaining about the negative reception towards his writing in nearly every interview. During an interview with fan site ''Batman News'', he bullied the interviewer (who had given him low ratings in the past) into giving ''Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws'' positive ratings only.
* ExecutiveMeddling: Lobdell has [[https://batman-news.com/2017/12/21/his-name-is-not-stupido-scott-lobdell-on-rhato-rebirth-and-reductionist-criticism/ claimed]] that he frequently has to modify his plots (at times nixing them altogether) due to editorial requests. It's also commonly known that Lobdell [[ProtectionFromEditors enjoyed a level of protection from former Editor-in-Chief Bob Harras]] due to their friendship from working at Marvel together, which has prevented Lobdell from being replaced on the title despite poor reception, poor sales, and numerous sexual harassment incidents.
* ExecutiveVeto: As bad as the {{Stripperific}} redesign for Starfire was, it could've been worse. The first issue was going to feature Starfire in a semi-transparent bikini, but the editorial response was essentially a very blunt "No."

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* DearNegativeReader: Creator/ScottLobdell is known for complaining about the negative reception towards his writing in nearly every interview. During an interview with fan site ''Batman News'', he bullied the interviewer (who had given him low ratings in the past) into giving ''Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws'' positive ratings only.
* ExecutiveMeddling: Lobdell has [[https://batman-news.com/2017/12/21/his-name-is-not-stupido-scott-lobdell-on-rhato-rebirth-and-reductionist-criticism/ claimed]] that he frequently has to modify his plots (at times nixing them altogether) due to editorial requests. It's also commonly known that Lobdell [[ProtectionFromEditors enjoyed a level of protection from former Editor-in-Chief Bob Harras]] due to their friendship from working at Marvel together, which has prevented Lobdell from being replaced on the title despite poor reception, poor sales, and numerous sexual harassment incidents.
* ExecutiveVeto: As bad as the {{Stripperific}} redesign for Starfire was, it could've been worse. The first issue was going to feature Starfire in a semi-transparent bikini, but the editorial response was essentially a very blunt "No."



** Thanks to Scott Lobdell's [[WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants storytelling]] and above ExecutiveMeddling, expect a lot of subplots to be unanswered which he even admits in an interview:
--->'''Scott Lobdell:''' ''I will say that, traditionally, in the past, readers of RHATO and Red Hood/Arsenal can notice where stories were set-up and set-up and set-up, only to have the conclusion of the story go careening off the tracks. I can say that there have been many times where I’ve started a story and someone from upstairs decreed that a particular plot thread had to be dropped, or a whole other plot thread needed to be added, or an entire story arc had to be gutted in the middle of the story. Those times have been very frustrating for me—but as a professional writer of some thirty years, I’ve always felt that part of the profession means that I need to turn in the story the editor/publisher wants and not always the story I want to write, or begin, or end.''

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* ExecutiveMeddling: Lobdell has [[https://batman-news.com/2017/12/21/his-name-is-not-stupido-scott-lobdell-on-rhato-rebirth-and-reductionist-criticism/ acknowledged]] that he frequently has to modify his plots (at times nixing them altogether) due to editorial requests.

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* DearNegativeReader: Creator/ScottLobdell is known for complaining about the negative reception towards his writing in nearly every interview. During an interview with fan site ''Batman News'', he bullied the interviewer (who had given him low ratings in the past) into giving ''Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws'' positive ratings only.
* ExecutiveMeddling: Lobdell has [[https://batman-news.com/2017/12/21/his-name-is-not-stupido-scott-lobdell-on-rhato-rebirth-and-reductionist-criticism/ acknowledged]] claimed]] that he frequently has to modify his plots (at times nixing them altogether) due to editorial requests.requests. It's also commonly known that Lobdell [[ProtectionFromEditors enjoyed a level of protection from former Editor-in-Chief Bob Harras]] due to their friendship from working at Marvel together, which has prevented Lobdell from being replaced on the title despite poor reception, poor sales, and numerous sexual harassment incidents.
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-->'''Scott Lobdell:''' ''I will say that, traditionally, in the past, readers of RHATO and Red Hood/Arsenal can notice where stories were set-up and set-up and set-up, only to have the conclusion of the story go careening off the tracks. I can say that there have been many times where I’ve started a story and someone from upstairs decreed that a particular plot thread had to be dropped, or a whole other plot thread needed to be added, or an entire story arc had to be gutted in the middle of the story. Those times have been very frustrating for me—but as a professional writer of some thirty years, I’ve always felt that part of the profession means that I need to turn in the story the editor/publisher wants and not always the story I want to write, or begin, or end.''

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-->'''Scott --->'''Scott Lobdell:''' ''I will say that, traditionally, in the past, readers of RHATO and Red Hood/Arsenal can notice where stories were set-up and set-up and set-up, only to have the conclusion of the story go careening off the tracks. I can say that there have been many times where I’ve started a story and someone from upstairs decreed that a particular plot thread had to be dropped, or a whole other plot thread needed to be added, or an entire story arc had to be gutted in the middle of the story. Those times have been very frustrating for me—but as a professional writer of some thirty years, I’ve always felt that part of the profession means that I need to turn in the story the editor/publisher wants and not always the story I want to write, or begin, or end.''
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** Thanks to Scott Lobdell's [[WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants storytelling]] and above ExecutiveMedlling, expect a lot of subplots to be unanswered which he even admits in an interview:

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** Thanks to Scott Lobdell's [[WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants storytelling]] and above ExecutiveMedlling, ExecutiveMeddling, expect a lot of subplots to be unanswered which he even admits in an interview:
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** Thanks to Scott Lobdell's [[WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants storytelling]] and above ExecutiveMedlling, expect a lot of subplots to be unanswered which he even admits in an interview:
-->'''Scott Lobdell:''' ''I will say that, traditionally, in the past, readers of RHATO and Red Hood/Arsenal can notice where stories were set-up and set-up and set-up, only to have the conclusion of the story go careening off the tracks. I can say that there have been many times where I’ve started a story and someone from upstairs decreed that a particular plot thread had to be dropped, or a whole other plot thread needed to be added, or an entire story arc had to be gutted in the middle of the story. Those times have been very frustrating for me—but as a professional writer of some thirty years, I’ve always felt that part of the profession means that I need to turn in the story the editor/publisher wants and not always the story I want to write, or begin, or end.''

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Johnson is not considered a reliable source within the industry.


* ExecutiveMeddling:
** Lobdell's tenure on the title is widely known to be [[https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/12/31/the-complete-bleeding-cool-top-100-power-list-of-2018/ a product of his friendship with Editor-in-Chief Bob Harras]]. As reported by comic book journalists, Editor-in-Chief Bob Harras "plays certain favourites among the creative teams and ensures Scott Lobdell will always have a comic to write at DC if he wants one."
** Lobdell has [[https://batman-news.com/2017/12/21/his-name-is-not-stupido-scott-lobdell-on-rhato-rebirth-and-reductionist-criticism/ claimed]] that he frequently has to modify his plots (at times nixing them altogether) due to editorial requests.

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* ExecutiveMeddling:
** Lobdell's tenure on the title is widely known to be [[https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/12/31/the-complete-bleeding-cool-top-100-power-list-of-2018/ a product of his friendship with Editor-in-Chief Bob Harras]]. As reported by comic book journalists, Editor-in-Chief Bob Harras "plays certain favourites among the creative teams and ensures Scott Lobdell will always have a comic to write at DC if he wants one."
**
ExecutiveMeddling: Lobdell has [[https://batman-news.com/2017/12/21/his-name-is-not-stupido-scott-lobdell-on-rhato-rebirth-and-reductionist-criticism/ claimed]] acknowledged]] that he frequently has to modify his plots (at times nixing them altogether) due to editorial requests.

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Johnson has multiple insider sources and has broken more stories than most comic journalists.


* ExecutiveMeddling: Lobdell has [[https://batman-news.com/2017/12/21/his-name-is-not-stupido-scott-lobdell-on-rhato-rebirth-and-reductionist-criticism/ acknowledged]] that he frequently has to modify his plots (at times nixing them altogether) due to editorial requests.

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* ExecutiveMeddling: ExecutiveMeddling:
** Lobdell's tenure on the title is widely known to be [[https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/12/31/the-complete-bleeding-cool-top-100-power-list-of-2018/ a product of his friendship with Editor-in-Chief Bob Harras]]. As reported by comic book journalists, Editor-in-Chief Bob Harras "plays certain favourites among the creative teams and ensures Scott Lobdell will always have a comic to write at DC if he wants one."
**
Lobdell has [[https://batman-news.com/2017/12/21/his-name-is-not-stupido-scott-lobdell-on-rhato-rebirth-and-reductionist-criticism/ acknowledged]] claimed]] that he frequently has to modify his plots (at times nixing them altogether) due to editorial requests.

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Rich Johnston is not a comic book journalist, but if the claims can be backed up by other sources, then they will stay.


* ExecutiveMeddling:
** Lobdell's tenure on the title is widely known to be [[https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/12/31/the-complete-bleeding-cool-top-100-power-list-of-2018/ a product of his friendship with Editor-in-Chief Bob Harras]]. As reported by comic book journalists, Editor-in-Chief Bob Harras "plays certain favourites among the creative teams and ensures Scott Lobdell will always have a comic to write at DC if he wants one."
** Lobdell has [[https://batman-news.com/2017/12/21/his-name-is-not-stupido-scott-lobdell-on-rhato-rebirth-and-reductionist-criticism/ claimed]] that he frequently has to modify his plots (at times nixing them altogether) due to editorial requests.

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* ExecutiveMeddling:
** Lobdell's tenure on the title is widely known to be [[https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/12/31/the-complete-bleeding-cool-top-100-power-list-of-2018/ a product of his friendship with Editor-in-Chief Bob Harras]]. As reported by comic book journalists, Editor-in-Chief Bob Harras "plays certain favourites among the creative teams and ensures Scott Lobdell will always have a comic to write at DC if he wants one."
**
ExecutiveMeddling: Lobdell has [[https://batman-news.com/2017/12/21/his-name-is-not-stupido-scott-lobdell-on-rhato-rebirth-and-reductionist-criticism/ claimed]] acknowledged]] that he frequently has to modify his plots (at times nixing them altogether) due to editorial requests.

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* ExecutiveMeddling: Lobdell has [[https://batman-news.com/2017/12/21/his-name-is-not-stupido-scott-lobdell-on-rhato-rebirth-and-reductionist-criticism/ acknowledged]] that he frequently has to modify his plots (at times nixing them altogether) due to editorial requests.
-->'''Scott Lobdell:''' ''I will say that, traditionally, in the past, readers of RHATO and Red Hood/Arsenal can notice where stories were set-up and set-up and set-up, only to have the conclusion of the story go careening off the tracks. I can say that there have been many times where I’ve started a story and someone from upstairs decreed that a particular plot thread had to be dropped, or a whole other plot thread needed to be added, or an entire story arc had to be gutted in the middle of the story. Those times have been very frustrating for me—but as a professional writer of some thirty years, I’ve always felt that part of the profession means that I need to turn in the story the editor/publisher wants and not always the story I want to write, or begin, or end.''

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* ExecutiveMeddling: ExecutiveMeddling:
** Lobdell's tenure on the title is widely known to be [[https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/12/31/the-complete-bleeding-cool-top-100-power-list-of-2018/ a product of his friendship with Editor-in-Chief Bob Harras]]. As reported by comic book journalists, Editor-in-Chief Bob Harras "plays certain favourites among the creative teams and ensures Scott Lobdell will always have a comic to write at DC if he wants one."
**
Lobdell has [[https://batman-news.com/2017/12/21/his-name-is-not-stupido-scott-lobdell-on-rhato-rebirth-and-reductionist-criticism/ acknowledged]] claimed]] that he frequently has to modify his plots (at times nixing them altogether) due to editorial requests.
-->'''Scott Lobdell:''' ''I will say that, traditionally, in the past, readers of RHATO and Red Hood/Arsenal can notice where stories were set-up and set-up and set-up, only to have the conclusion of the story go careening off the tracks. I can say that there have been many times where I’ve started a story and someone from upstairs decreed that a particular plot thread had to be dropped, or a whole other plot thread needed to be added, or an entire story arc had to be gutted in the middle of the story. Those times have been very frustrating for me—but as a professional writer of some thirty years, I’ve always felt that part of the profession means that I need to turn in the story the editor/publisher wants and not always the story I want to write, or begin, or end.''
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* ExecutiveMeddling:
** Lobdell's tenure on the title is widely known to be [[https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/12/31/the-complete-bleeding-cool-top-100-power-list-of-2018/ a product of his friendship with Editor-in-Chief Bob Harras]].
** Lobdell has [[https://batman-news.com/2017/12/21/his-name-is-not-stupido-scott-lobdell-on-rhato-rebirth-and-reductionist-criticism/ claimed]] that he frequently has to modify his plots (at times nixing them altogether) due to editorial requests.

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* ExecutiveMeddling:
** Lobdell's tenure on the title is widely known to be [[https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/12/31/the-complete-bleeding-cool-top-100-power-list-of-2018/ a product of his friendship with Editor-in-Chief Bob Harras]].
**
ExecutiveMeddling: Lobdell has [[https://batman-news.com/2017/12/21/his-name-is-not-stupido-scott-lobdell-on-rhato-rebirth-and-reductionist-criticism/ claimed]] acknowledged]] that he frequently has to modify his plots (at times nixing them altogether) due to editorial requests.

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* ExecutiveMeddling: Lobdell has [[https://batman-news.com/2017/12/21/his-name-is-not-stupido-scott-lobdell-on-rhato-rebirth-and-reductionist-criticism/ acknowledged]] that he frequently has to modify his plots (at times nixing them altogether) due to editorial requests.

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* ExecutiveMeddling: ExecutiveMeddling:
** Lobdell's tenure on the title is widely known to be [[https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/12/31/the-complete-bleeding-cool-top-100-power-list-of-2018/ a product of his friendship with Editor-in-Chief Bob Harras]].
**
Lobdell has [[https://batman-news.com/2017/12/21/his-name-is-not-stupido-scott-lobdell-on-rhato-rebirth-and-reductionist-criticism/ acknowledged]] claimed]] that he frequently has to modify his plots (at times nixing them altogether) due to editorial requests.

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* ExecutiveMeddling: Lobdell has [[https://batman-news.com/2017/12/21/his-name-is-not-stupido-scott-lobdell-on-rhato-rebirth-and-reductionist-criticism/ acknowledged]] that he frequently has to modify his plots (at times nixing them altogether) due to editorial requests.
-->'''Scott Lobdell:''' ''I will say that, traditionally, in the past, readers of RHATO and Red Hood/Arsenal can notice where stories were set-up and set-up and set-up, only to have the conclusion of the story go careening off the tracks. I can say that there have been many times where I’ve started a story and someone from upstairs decreed that a particular plot thread had to be dropped, or a whole other plot thread needed to be added, or an entire story arc had to be gutted in the middle of the story. Those times have been very frustrating for me—but as a professional writer of some thirty years, I’ve always felt that part of the profession means that I need to turn in the story the editor/publisher wants and not always the story I want to write, or begin, or end.''



* WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants: Scott Lobdell has [[https://www.newsarama.com/10181-lobdell-death-of-the-family-0-s-red-robin-decision.html admitted]] he doesn't like to plan stories.

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* WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants: Scott Lobdell has [[https://www.newsarama.com/10181-lobdell-death-of-the-family-0-s-red-robin-decision.html admitted]] he doesn't like to plan stories.stories too far ahead under the belief that since real life is unpredictable, his stories should be too.
-->'''Lobdell:''' ''I've said in other interviews that I'm not a writer that likes to plan ahead. Because, really, there isn't a lot of planning ahead in life either — and if we want our characters to feel life-like, we have to be prepared for the curves that life throws at them.''

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