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** Gordon Haskell, the vocalist who stepped in to replace Greg Lake after he [[Music/EmersonLakeAndPalmer departed the band]] midway through recording ''In the Wake of Poseidon'', was not very fond of his time there thanks to the CreativeDifferences that motivated his departure, later calling Robert Fripp a fascist as a result of how controlling he felt the latter was.
** Mr. Fripp does not look upon ''Islands'' negatively, but he feels that particular lineup was "too much of a jam band", so the music (or at least live performances) didn't have as much substance.
** Mr. Fripp does not look upon ''Islands'' negatively, but he feels that particular lineup was "too much of a jam band", so the music (or at least live performances) didn't have as much substance.
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** As stated in CreatorBacklash, Robert Fripp was not fond of ''Lizard'' outright, calling it unlistenable. Though the album itself is actually well liked among fans, and his own attitude towards ''Lizard'' softened with the band's latest lineup and the album's 2009 remaster.
** Gordon Haskell, the vocalist who stepped in to replace Greg Lake after he [[Music/EmersonLakeAndPalmer departed the band]] midway through recording ''In the Wake of Poseidon'', was not very fond of his time there thanks to the CreativeDifferences that motivated his departure, later calling Robert Fripp a fascist as a result of how controlling he felt the latter was.
** Mr. Fripp does not look upon ''Islands'' negatively, but he feels that particular lineup was "too much of a jam band", so the music (or at least live performances) didn't have as much substance.
** As stated in CreatorBacklash, Robert Fripp was not fond of ''Lizard'' outright, calling it unlistenable. Though the album itself is actually well liked among fans, and his own attitude towards ''Lizard'' softened with the band's latest lineup and the album's 2009 remaster.
** Gordon Haskell, the vocalist who stepped in to replace Greg Lake after he [[Music/EmersonLakeAndPalmer departed the band]] midway through recording ''In the Wake of Poseidon'', was not very fond of his time there thanks to the CreativeDifferences that motivated his departure, later calling Robert Fripp a fascist as a result of how controlling he felt the latter was.
** Mr. Fripp does not look upon ''Islands'' negatively, but he feels that particular lineup was "too much of a jam band", so the music (or at least live performances) didn't have as much substance.
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** A version of [[Music/EmersonLakeAndPalmer "Lucky Man"]] was rehearsed by the band's original lineup, but was never released or performed.
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** Jakko Jakszyk has a similar story, having been a fan of the band since he was eleven. From 2002 to 2004 he fronted the 21st Century Schizoid Band, consisting of himself, Ian [=McDonald=], Mel Collins, Michael Giles[[note]]later replaced by Ian Wallace[[/note]], and Peter Giles, and eventually joined KC proper in 2013. Jakszyk was also Michael's son-in-law at the time, though it had nothing to do with his getting the gig and he wouldn't find out until later.
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** Music/EltonJohn auditioned for the band during the sessions for ''In the Wake of Poseidon'', following Greg Lake's mid-production departure. Others who auditioned include future Music/RoxyMusic singer Bryan Ferry and Music/{{Yes}} vocalist Jon Anderson. The latter gives us a small taste of what could have happened had he been accepted into the band on the movement "Prince Rupert Awakes" from the song "Lizard", as the section was out of Gordon Haskell's vocal range. King Crimson lyricist Peter Sinfield later produced [[Music/RoxyMusicAlbum Roxy Music's debut album]] and John Wetton served as a touring bassist for Roxy in 1974.
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** Music/EltonJohn auditioned was booked to audition for the band during the sessions for ''In the Wake of Poseidon'', following Greg Lake's mid-production departure.departure[[note]]the session was cancelled after Fripp heard his debut album and concluded that he wasn't the right fit for the band[[/note]]. Others who auditioned include future Music/RoxyMusic singer Bryan Ferry and Music/{{Yes}} vocalist Jon Anderson. The latter gives us a small taste of what could have happened had he been accepted into the band on the movement "Prince Rupert Awakes" from the song "Lizard", as the section was out of Gordon Haskell's vocal range. King Crimson lyricist Peter Sinfield later produced [[Music/RoxyMusicAlbum Roxy Music's debut album]] and John Wetton served as a touring bassist for Roxy in 1974.
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** During the ''Islands'' era, Fripp toyed with the idea of recording Crimson songs in different styles than originally conceived; e.g. [[Music/InTheCourtOfTheCrimsonKing "The Court of the Crimson King"]] as a Chicago Blues number. The later live compilation of the band's performances from that period, ''Ladies of the Road'', features a snatch of that song performed in that style.
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** After the success of the ''Epitaph'' and ''The Night Watch'' live albums in the late '90s, Fripp proposed forming a spinoff band, named Crimson 69, that would perform the early material. The lineup would have consisted of Fripp, [=McDonald=], Michael Giles, and John Wetton. This plan fell through when [=McDonald=] refused to take part unless it was a full reunion of the original lineup (i.e. with Greg Lake instead of Wetton). In 2002 this idea manifested in the form of the 21st Century Schizoid Band, consisting of [=McDonald=], Mel Collins, Michael Giles[[note]]later replaced by Ian Wallace[[/note]], Peter Giles, and Jakko Jakszyk[[note]]who would eventually join KC proper in 2013[[/note]].
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* TooManyCooksSpoilTheSoup: Pat Mastelotto has said there was some tension between him and Bill Bruford during the 90s double-trio days. Bruford didn’t see the need for a second drummer (but Fripp insisted) and didn’t leave Mastelotto much room on the older songs in performance. By contrast, the Gavin Harrison arrangements of the 2010s incarnation gave all three drummers ample space to contribute.
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** Tony Levin played bass and Chapman Stick on Music/PinkFloyd's ''Music/AMomentaryLapseOfReason'' and was also the bassist for Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe.
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** In addition to his well-known association with Peter Gabriel, Tony Levin is an in-demand session musician. He played bass on Music/JohnLennon’s ''Double Fantasy,'' bass and Chapman Stick on Music/PinkFloyd's ''Music/AMomentaryLapseOfReason'' ''Music/AMomentaryLapseOfReason,'' and was also the bassist for Music/{{Yes}} spin-off Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe.Howe among many other credits.
