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* TheOtherDarrin: For her brief re-appearance in this movie, Karen White is played by Hana Ludvikova instead of Creator/DeeWallace.

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** Ferdy Mayne replaces the late Creator/JohnCarradine as Erie.
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** Marianna was intended to be Marsha from the first film,[[spoiler:the sole survivor of that film's werewolf pack.]] Elisabeth Brooks refused to reprise her role, unhappy with her nude scene in the first film. Notably, Ferdy Mane plays Erle, taking the role from the then-deceased John Carradine (though Erle is not named in the movie, only the end credits).

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** Marianna was intended to be Marsha from the first film,[[spoiler:the sole survivor of that film's werewolf pack.]] Elisabeth Brooks refused to reprise her role, unhappy with her nude scene in the first film. Notably, Ferdy Mane plays Erle, taking the role from the then-deceased John Carradine (though Erle is not named in the movie, only the end credits).Carradine.
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** Marianna was intended to be Marsha from the first film,[[spoiler:the sole survivor of that film's werewolf pack.]] Elisabeth Brooks refused to reprise her role, unhappy with her nude scene in the first film.

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** Marianna was intended to be Marsha from the first film,[[spoiler:the sole survivor of that film's werewolf pack.]] Elisabeth Brooks refused to reprise her role, unhappy with her nude scene in the first film. Notably, Ferdy Mane plays Erle, taking the role from the then-deceased John Carradine (though Erle is not named in the movie, only the end credits).
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* AwesomeDearBoy: Creator/ChristopherLee took the lead role because he had never been in a werewolf movie before.

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* AwesomeDearBoy: Creator/ChristopherLee took the lead role because he had never been in a werewolf movie before.before (by that point, he'd played [[Film/HorrorOfDracula Dracula]], the [[Film/TheCurseOfFrankenstein Frankenstein's Monster]], and [[Film/TheMummy1959 the Mummy]], so it would've helped round out his personal MonsterMash of an acting career), and he was intrigued by the idea of filming in and around Czechoslovakia during a time of the UsefulNotes/IronCurtain.

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** Though no stranger to nudity, Sybil Danning had agreed to do only one topless shot as Stirba. She was reputedly not happy to learn said shot is repeated multiple times during the credits.



** Hemdale, who had yet to produce a single usable draft, hired writer Robert Sarno to dig through Brandner's disparate drafts to try and recover something usable, hoping to rush the principal photography to early Spring of 1984, with a projected Fall 1984 release date. Sarno all but disposed off Brandner's drafts, re-tooling a pre-existing spec script about vampires to include werewolves.

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** Hemdale, who had yet to produce a single usable draft, hired writer Robert Sarno to dig through Brandner's disparate drafts to try and recover something usable, hoping to rush the principal photography to early Spring of 1984, with a projected Fall 1984 release date. Sarno all but disposed off Brandner's drafts, re-tooling a pre-existing spec script about vampires to include werewolves. [[note]] This may explain why Stephen tries to kill Karen with a silver needle through the heart, like one would a vampire. [[/note]]

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* OldShame: Reportedly, Creator/ChristopherLee hated being in this movie, and apologized to Joe Dante for his role when he was cast in ''Film/Gremlins2TheNewBatch''.
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** According to director Phillipe Mora in a 1984 interview during filming, Sybil Danning as Stirba wasn't supposed to actually exist. That is, Stirba didn't actually regenerate her youth. Sybil Danning was a projection by a spell of what Stirba wished she looked like. Though this does not seem to be the case in the finished film, there are two instances of this to be found: first, when Stirba first appears young, she also seems scared and unsure of herself until she sees her followers (literally) howling over her beauty. Then, she realizes everyone sees her as young. Secondly, when Stefan and Stirba meet again, Stefan sees Stirba as old because her magic doesn't work on him.
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* OldShame: Reportedly, Creator/ChristopherLee hated being in this movie, and apologized to Joe Dante for his role when he was cast in ''Film/Gremlins2TheNewBatch''.
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* PostReleaseRetitle: The movie was released on home video as "Howling II: Your Sister is a Werewolf".

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* PostReleaseRetitle: The movie was released on home video theatrically in the United States as "Howling II: Your Sister is a Werewolf".Werewolf", likely because the word "Bitch" would not have been allowed by the MPAA (who, of course, holds no sway in its native Europe).
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* TheOtherDarrin: For her brief re-appearance in this movie, Karen White is played by Hana Ludvikova instead of Dee Wallace Stone.

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* TheOtherDarrin: For her brief re-appearance in this movie, Karen White is played by Hana Ludvikova instead of Dee Wallace Stone.Creator/DeeWallace.
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* TheOtherDarrin: For her brief re-appearance in this movie, Karen White is played by Hana Ludvikova instead of Dee Wallace Stone.
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* PostReleaseRetitle: The movie was released on home video as "Howling II: Your Sister is a Werewolf".
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* ActorAllusion: The huge amounts of OurWerewolvesAreDifferent, mainly replacing the vampires in vampire lore with werewolves, were probably added to reference Christopher Lee's performance as Dracula.



* BTeamSequel: Creator/JoeDante was never offered the chance to direct this movie. The rights to the book ''The Howling II'' was owned by one of the producers and by Gary Brandner, the author of the book. Brandner, who was not a huge fan of Dante at the time, was not likely going to consider him to make the sequel after his displeasure with the director loosely adapting the first The Howling novel.



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* WhatCouldHaveBeen:
** Gary Bradner's original script was set in Spain, then later to Yugoslavia.
** Marianna was intended to be Marsha from the first film,[[spoiler:the sole survivor of that film's werewolf pack.]] Elisabeth Brooks refused to reprise her role, unhappy with her nude scene in the first film.



* WhatCouldHaveBeen:
** Gary Bradner's original script was set in Spain, then later to Yugoslavia.
** Marianna was intended to be Marsha from the first film,[[spoiler:the sole survivor of that film's werewolf pack.]] Elisabeth Brooks refused to reprise her role, unhappy with her nude scene in the first film.

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* CreatorKiller: Screenwriter Robert Sarno only wrote [[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112839/?ref_=nm_knf_t1 one other film]] before his death in 2002.[[https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/latimes/obituary.aspx?n=robert-sarno&pid=341593]]
* ExecutiveMeddling: Philippe Mora intended the film to be a tongue-in-cheek horror comedy, but the studio recut it as a more conventional horror film with some comedic elements. [[Film/HowlingIIITheMarsupials The third film]], for which Mora had more creative control, gives an idea of WhatCouldHaveBeen.
* FakeNationality: None of the actors playing the Transylvanian werewolves are actually Romanian.

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* CreatorKiller: Screenwriter Robert Sarno only wrote [[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112839/?ref_=nm_knf_t1 one other film]] before his death in 2002.[[https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/latimes/obituary.aspx?n=robert-sarno&pid=341593]]
aspx?n=robert-sarno&pid=341593 death in 2002.]]
* ExecutiveMeddling: ExecutiveMeddling:
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Philippe Mora intended the film to be a tongue-in-cheek horror comedy, but the studio recut it as a more conventional horror film with some comedic elements. [[Film/HowlingIIITheMarsupials The third film]], for which Mora had more creative control, gives an idea of WhatCouldHaveBeen.
** The production was under the constant, watchful eye of the KGB, with Sybil Danning and Christopher Lee being spied on daily by an undercover minder, and Reb Brown having his overseas phone calls tapped.
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None of the actors playing the Transylvanian werewolves are actually Romanian.Romanian.
** Infamously, most of the extras were non-English-speaking Czech locals



* WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants: Gary Brandner hastily rewrote the script after a financing deal with a Spanish production company fell through, necessitating a change in location. The producer demanded constant changes, and Brandner eventually left the production to focus on finishing the third ''Howling'' novel after the publisher pushed up his deadline. The producer brought in writer Robert Sarno to rewrite Brandner's disparate, unfinished drafts, which Sarno all but disposed of to start from scratch. A rough cut of the film even leaves out Brandner's writer's credit.

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** Director Philippe Mora was hired off the success of the "were-cicada" body horror movie ''[[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083629/ The Beast Within]]'', enticed through the promise of relative creative control. Mora's set out to produce a campy horror comedy, playing up the satirical elements present in the first film to outright pastiche.
** On-going political unrest in Ceaușescu-ruled Romania ruled it out as a filming location, leading to the production seeking permits in nearby Czechoslovakia. Due to on-going Cold War tensions, equipment and costumes were held up at the border for over two weeks. When they finally arrived, Mora learned that the werewolf costumes were re-purposed ape costumes from the short-lived ''Planet of the Apes'' television series.
** Filming in Czechoslovakia was continually undermined by local authorities, who were suspicious of the production and sent KGB operatives to tap hotel phones and follow cast and crew members around 24/7. During filming of a concert scene, Mora learned that local regulations prevented the audience members from standing up or cheering during a musical performance, and spent several hours negotiating with members of the Czech army who had arrived after mistaking the impromptu mass gathering for a riot.
** Filming was further slowed by the inexperience of local Czech crews and unavailability of experienced special effects artists or equipment, necessitating numerous on-the-spot improvisations and rewrites. An actor was almost shot after a propmaster misunderstood a direction and accidentally loaded a prop rifle with live ammunition.
** Most of the Czech extras improvised blocking due to the absence of an on-set interpreter. Most infamously, several extras during the orgy sequence began engaging in actual sex acts, which continued after Mora had called cut.
** After filming wrapped, Mora was locked out of post-production while the film was edited from his intended horror comedy to a serious horror film, much to his chagrin.
* WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants: WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants:
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Gary Brandner hastily rewrote the script after a financing deal with a Spanish production company fell through, necessitating a change in location. The producer demanded constant changes, and Brandner eventually left the production to focus on finishing the third ''Howling'' novel after the publisher pushed up his deadline. The producer brought in writer Robert Sarno to rewrite Brandner's disparate, unfinished drafts, which Sarno all but disposed of to start from scratch. A rough cut of the film even leaves out Brandner's writer's credit.credit.
** Composer Steve Parsons was given only two days to write and record a theme song.

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* CaliforniaDoubling: Shot almost entirely in Czechoslovakia, with Český Krumlov[[https://ceskobudejovicky.denik.cz/z-regionu/v-howling-2-se-krumlov-promenil-v-transylvanii-20130128.html]] doubling for Transylvania and Prague for Los Angeles. The latter proved to be something of a problem for director Philippe Mora, who had to "'literally import trash from America to clutter the clean communist streets." During an open casting call for punks in the concert scene, nearly a thousand individuals arrived, resulting in the local authorities calling in the both the police and military. Mora was advised by an army colonel, "you can finish shooting the scene, but they'll have to leave in groups of no more than three".[[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089308/trivia?ref_=tt_trv_trv]]

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* CaliforniaDoubling: Shot almost entirely in Czechoslovakia, with Český Krumlov[[https://ceskobudejovicky.[[https://ceskobudejovicky.denik.cz/z-regionu/v-howling-2-se-krumlov-promenil-v-transylvanii-20130128.html]] html Český Krumlov]] doubling for Transylvania and Prague for Los Angeles. The latter proved to be something of a problem for director Philippe Mora, who had to "'literally import trash from America to clutter the clean communist streets." During an open casting call for punks in the concert scene, nearly a thousand individuals arrived, resulting in the local authorities calling in the both the police and military. Mora was advised by an army colonel, "you can finish shooting the scene, but they'll have to leave in groups of no more than three".[[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089308/trivia?ref_=tt_trv_trv]]



** Creator/ChristopherLee was not happy with how the film turned out. When he landed a role in ''Film/Gremlins2TheNewBatch'', Lee actually apologized to Creator/JoeDante.

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** Creator/ChristopherLee was not happy with how the film turned out. When he landed a role in ''Film/Gremlins2TheNewBatch'', Lee actually personally apologized to Creator/JoeDante.


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** After the release of the first ''Film/TheHowling'', author Gary Brandner purchased the franchise and sequel rights from New World Pictures. Dissatisfied with that film's treatment of his source material, Brandner resolved to write and produce a follow-up himself, and began writing a screenplay more in-line with his novels.
** Brandner produced several drafts which procured the interest of Hemdale Film Corporation, a "mini-major" production company known at the time for films lower-budget, well-received genre fare like ''Film/TheTerminator'' and ''Film/TheReturnOfTheLivingDead''. Hemdale and Brandner entered into a financing deal with a Spanish production company on the grounds that the film be shot on-location in Spain, necessitating an extensive rewrite by Brandner.
** The financing deal subsequently and suddenly fell out, necessitating yet more rewrites. Soon after, Brandner abruptly left the project altogether when his publisher pushed up the deadline to the third ''Howling'' novel.
** Hemdale, who had yet to produce a single usable draft, hired writer Robert Sarno to dig through Brandner's disparate drafts to try and recover something usable, hoping to rush the principal photography to early Spring of 1984, with a projected Fall 1984 release date. Sarno all but disposed off Brandner's drafts, re-tooling a pre-existing spec script about vampires to include werewolves.

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* CaliforniaDoubling: Shot almost entirely in Czechoslovakia, with Český Krumlov[[https://ceskobudejovicky.denik.cz/z-regionu/v-howling-2-se-krumlov-promenil-v-transylvanii-20130128.html]] doubling for Transylvania and Prague for Los Angeles.

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* AwesomeDearBoy: Creator/ChristopherLee took the lead role because he had never been in a werewolf movie before.
* CaliforniaDoubling: Shot almost entirely in Czechoslovakia, with Český Krumlov[[https://ceskobudejovicky.denik.cz/z-regionu/v-howling-2-se-krumlov-promenil-v-transylvanii-20130128.html]] doubling for Transylvania and Prague for Los Angeles. The latter proved to be something of a problem for director Philippe Mora, who had to "'literally import trash from America to clutter the clean communist streets." During an open casting call for punks in the concert scene, nearly a thousand individuals arrived, resulting in the local authorities calling in the both the police and military. Mora was advised by an army colonel, "you can finish shooting the scene, but they'll have to leave in groups of no more than three".[[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089308/trivia?ref_=tt_trv_trv]]



* CreatorKiller: Screenwriter Robert Sarno only wrote [[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112839/?ref_=nm_knf_t1 one other film]] before his death in 2002.[[https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/latimes/obituary.aspx?n=robert-sarno&pid=341593]]



* FakeNationality: None of the actors playing the Transylvanian werewolves are actually Romanian.



* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Marianna was intended to be Marsha from the first film,[[spoiler:the sole survivor of that film's werewolf pack.]] Elisabeth Brooks refused to reprise her role, unhappy with her nude scene in the first film.

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: WhatCouldHaveBeen:
** Gary Bradner's original script was set in Spain, then later to Yugoslavia.
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Marianna was intended to be Marsha from the first film,[[spoiler:the sole survivor of that film's werewolf pack.]] Elisabeth Brooks refused to reprise her role, unhappy with her nude scene in the first film.
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* CaliforniaDoubling: The scenes set in Transylvania are filmed in Czechoslovakia.

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* CaliforniaDoubling: The scenes set Shot almost entirely in Czechoslovakia, with Český Krumlov[[https://ceskobudejovicky.denik.cz/z-regionu/v-howling-2-se-krumlov-promenil-v-transylvanii-20130128.html]] doubling for Transylvania are filmed in Czechoslovakia.and Prague for Los Angeles.



* ExecutiveMeddling: Philippe Mora intended the film to be a tongue-in-cheek horror comedy, but the studio recut it as a more conventional horror film with some comedic elements. [[HowlingIIITheMarsupials The third film]], for which Mora had more creative control, gives an idea of WhatCouldHaveBeen.

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* ExecutiveMeddling: Philippe Mora intended the film to be a tongue-in-cheek horror comedy, but the studio recut it as a more conventional horror film with some comedic elements. [[HowlingIIITheMarsupials [[Film/HowlingIIITheMarsupials The third film]], for which Mora had more creative control, gives an idea of WhatCouldHaveBeen.
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* WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants: Gary Brandner hastily rewrote the script after a financing deal with a Spanish production company fell through, necessitating a change in location. The producer demanded constant changes, and Brandner eventually left the production to focus on finishing the third ''Howling'' novel after the publisher pushed up his deadline. The producer brought in writer Robert Sarno to rewrite Brandner's disparate, unfinished drafts, which Sarno all but disposed of to start from scratch. A rough cut of the film even leaves out Brandner's writer's credit.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Marianna was intended to be Marsha from the first film,[[spoiler:the sole survivor of that film's werewolf pack.]] Elisabeth Brooks refused to reprise her role, unhappy with her nude scene in the first film.

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* {{Creator Backlash}}/{{Old Shame}}: Creator/ChristopherLee was not happy with how the film turned out. When he landed a role in ''Film/Gremlins2TheNewBatch'', Lee actually apologized to Creator/JoeDante.

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* {{Creator Backlash}}/{{Old Shame}}: Shame}}:
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Creator/ChristopherLee was not happy with how the film turned out. When he landed a role in ''Film/Gremlins2TheNewBatch'', Lee actually apologized to Creator/JoeDante.Creator/JoeDante.
** Director Philippe Mora was unhappy after the film was ReCut without his input, and demanded in his contract for the third film that he have complete control of the final cut.
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* ExecutiveMeddling: Philippe Mora intended the film to be a tongue-in-cheek horror comedy, but the studio recut it as a more conventional horror film with some comedic elements. [[HowlingIIITheMarsupials The third film]], for which Mora had more creative control, gives an idea of WhatCouldHaveBeen.
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* [[Creator Backlash]]/[[Old Shame]]: Creator/ChristopherLee was not happy with how the film turned out. When he landed a role in ''Film/Gremlins2TheNewBatch'', Lee actually apologized to Creator/JoeDante.

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* [[Creator Backlash]]/[[Old Shame]]: {{Creator Backlash}}/{{Old Shame}}: Creator/ChristopherLee was not happy with how the film turned out. When he landed a role in ''Film/Gremlins2TheNewBatch'', Lee actually apologized to Creator/JoeDante.
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* [[CreatorBacklash]]/[[OldShame]]: Creator/ChristopherLee was not happy with how the film turned out. When he landed a role in ''Film/Gremlins2TheNewBatch'', Lee actually apologized to Creator/JoeDante.

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* [[CreatorBacklash]]/[[OldShame]]: [[Creator Backlash]]/[[Old Shame]]: Creator/ChristopherLee was not happy with how the film turned out. When he landed a role in ''Film/Gremlins2TheNewBatch'', Lee actually apologized to Creator/JoeDante.
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* CreatorBacklash: Creator/ChristopherLee was not happy with the second movie. When he landed a role in ''Film/Gremlins2TheNewBatch'', Lee actually apologized to Creator/JoeDante.

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* CreatorBacklash: [[CreatorBacklash]]/[[OldShame]]: Creator/ChristopherLee was not happy with how the second movie.film turned out. When he landed a role in ''Film/Gremlins2TheNewBatch'', Lee actually apologized to Creator/JoeDante.
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* MarkedBasedTitle: Known by the far more cumbersome title ''Howling II: Your Sister is a Werewolf'' in the U.S.

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* PlayingAgainstType: Creator/ChristopherLee as heroic occult expert Stefan Crosscoe in ''The Howling II''.

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* PlayingAgainstType: Creator/ChristopherLee as heroic occult expert Stefan Crosscoe in ''The Howling II''.Crosscoe.
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* CaliforniaDoubling: The scenes set in Transylvania are filmed in Czechoslovakia.
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* ActorAllusion: The huge amounts of OurWerewolvesAreDifferent, mainly replacing the vampires in vampire lore with werewolves, were probably added to reference Christopher Lee's performance as Dracula.
* CreatorBacklash: Creator/ChristopherLee was not happy with the second movie. When he landed a role in ''Film/Gremlins2TheNewBatch'', Lee actually apologized to Creator/JoeDante.
* PlayingAgainstType: Creator/ChristopherLee as heroic occult expert Stefan Crosscoe in ''The Howling II''.
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