History Tearjerker / CaptainAmericatheWinterSoldier

19th Jul '16 11:07:55 PM LBHills
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** His admission that Peggy being one of the founders of S.H.I.E.L.D. is part of the reason he joined them. [[spoiler:Then we learn that HYDRA had been infiltrating S.H.I.E.L.D. from nearly day one and that the organization that Peggy was so proud of creating, ultimately was twisted into the very monster they wanted to protect people from. Zola then proceeds to twist the knife even further, by pointing out that since HYDRA ''wasn't'' defeated, this meant that Steve's sacrificing his life and his future with Peggy was ultimately ''[[SenselessSacrifice meaningless]]'' and achieved ''[[WonTheWarLostThePeace nothing]]'']].[[note]]If it makes you feel any better, he ''is'' overlooking the fact that Steve's sacrifice saved New York from being wiped off the map by Schmidt's bomber.[[/note]]

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** His admission that Peggy being one of the founders of S.H.I.E.L.D. is part of the reason he joined them. [[spoiler:Then we learn that HYDRA had been infiltrating S.H.I.E.L.D. from nearly day one and that the organization that Peggy was so proud of creating, ultimately was twisted into the very monster they wanted to protect people from. Zola then proceeds to twist the knife even further, by pointing out that since HYDRA ''wasn't'' defeated, this meant that Steve's sacrificing his life and his future with Peggy was ultimately ''[[SenselessSacrifice meaningless]]'' and achieved ''[[WonTheWarLostThePeace nothing]]'']].[[note]]If it makes you feel any better, he ''is'' overlooking [[note]]Only Zola would consider saving the fact that Steve's sacrifice saved New York western world from being wiped off the map by Nazism, preserving millions of lives from Schmidt's bomber.bomber plan, and setting back HYDRA's program by several decades 'nothing'.[[/note]]
21st May '16 11:40:20 AM kquinn0830
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* Steve visits Peggy, now an elderly woman, and they have a heartfelt discussion about Steve's place in the world. Then when Steve gets her a glass of water, she [[spoiler:begins to cry when she realizes that Steve is there, thrilled that he's alive, an obvious indication that she has Alzheimer's or dementia, and her memory and lucid moments happen at random. With that comes the realization that Steve has probably done this multiple times, and that Peggy will probably never permanently retain the knowledge that he's alive]].

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* Steve visits Peggy, now an elderly woman, and they have a heartfelt discussion about Steve's place in the world. Then when Steve gets her a glass of water, she [[spoiler:begins to cry when she realizes that Steve is there, thrilled that he's alive, an obvious indication that she has Alzheimer's or dementia, Alzheimer's, and her memory and lucid moments happen at random. With that comes the realization that Steve has probably done this multiple times, and that Peggy will probably never permanently retain the knowledge that he's alive]].



* Steve saying, [[spoiler:"Well, I couldn't leave my best girl. Not when she owes me a dance."]]

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* ** Steve saying, [[spoiler:"Well, I couldn't leave my best girl. Not when she owes me a dance."]]
16th May '16 6:58:36 PM BlindJustice-2515
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-->'''Natasha:''' When I joined S.H.I.E.L.D. I thought I was going straight. Turns out [[spoiler:I just traded the KGB for HYDRA]].

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-->'''Natasha:''' When I first joined S.H.I.E.L.D. I thought I was going straight. Turns out But I guess [[spoiler:I just traded the KGB for HYDRA]].
16th May '16 7:45:00 AM RayAP9
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** The whole premise, in fact--you've found your best friend, after 70 years, and he ''might'' just recognize you and remember who you are, and everything will be fine, right? [[spoiler:No, your best friend doesn't even know you, ''and he wants you dead.'']]

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** The whole premise, in fact--you've found your best friend, after 70 years, and he ''might'' just recognize you and remember who you are, and everything will be fine, right? [[spoiler:No, [[spoiler:"Who the hell is Bucky?" Oh, your best friend doesn't even know you, ''and he wants you]]. Well, maybe eventually you dead.'']]can help him remember your relationship with him. [[spoiler:No, he's about to shoot you in the face]]. Then later on, aboard the Helicarrier: [[spoiler:You've saved the day, and you didn't have to kill your best friend to do it. You can't just let him die, so you save him and hope that there's something you can do to make him remember. Instead, he beats you within an inch of your life even though you refuse to fight back]]. If that's not a TraumaCongaLine, nothing is.
15th May '16 1:02:07 PM HeraldAlberich
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** Up until that point, Peggy is perfectly lucid and [[spoiler: has presumably perfect memory of Steve.]] It comes out of nowhere when she [[spoiler: forgets and realizes that Steve is there and alive.]] To anyone who's experienced a loved one having [[spoiler: Alzheimer's or dementia, it's a solid punch to the gut.]]
** Steve's situation in general. [[spoiler:Only two people from his past are still alive. Peggy lived a long, fulfilling life and has aged, yet she is unable to permanently remember that he is alive. Then he finds about the other one: Bucky, who he thought was ''dead''. To make matters worse, his best friend has been used as an assassin to help the shape the world into an era of cynicism and paranoia, and unlike Peggy, Bucky doesn't remember him ''at all''.]] Steve's public image and legacy is basically immortal, judging by the museum exhibit. ''Everyone'' remembers him, [[spoiler: except for the two people he loves the most.]]
** His admission that Peggy being one of the founders of SHIELD is part of the reason he joined them. [[spoiler: Then we learn that HYDRA had been infiltrating SHIELD from nearly day one and that the organization that Peggy was so proud of creating, ultimately was twisted into the very monster they wanted to protect people from. Zola then proceeds to twist the knife even further, by pointing out that since HYDRA ''wasn't'' defeated, this meant that Steve's sacrificing his life and his future with Peggy was ultimately ''[[SenselessSacrifice meaningless]]'' and achieved ''[[WonTheWarLostThePeace nothing]]'']].[[note]]If it makes you feel any better, he ''is'' overlooking the fact that Steve's sacrifice saved New York from being wiped off the map by Schmidt's bomber[[/note]]
** Try watching this movie and [[{{Series/AgentCarter}} Agent Carter]] back-to-back knowing [[spoiler: Peggy's eventual fate, being a shell of her former self physically and mentally]].
* Steve saying [[spoiler:"Well, I couldn't leave my best girl. Not when she owes me a dance."]]

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** Up until that point, Peggy is perfectly lucid and [[spoiler: has [[spoiler:has presumably perfect memory of Steve.]] Steve]]. It comes out of nowhere when she [[spoiler: forgets [[spoiler:forgets and realizes that Steve is there and alive.]] alive]]. To anyone who's experienced a loved one having [[spoiler: Alzheimer's [[spoiler:Alzheimer's or dementia, it's a solid punch to the gut.]]
gut]].
** Steve's situation in general. [[spoiler:Only two people from his past are still alive. Peggy lived a long, fulfilling life and has aged, yet she is unable to permanently remember that he is alive. Then he finds about the other one: Bucky, who he thought was ''dead''. To make matters worse, his best friend has been used as an assassin to help the shape the world into an era of cynicism and paranoia, and unlike Peggy, Bucky doesn't remember him ''at all''.]] Steve's public image and legacy is basically immortal, judging by the museum exhibit. ''Everyone'' remembers him, [[spoiler: except [[spoiler:except for the two people he loves the most.]]
most]].
** His admission that Peggy being one of the founders of SHIELD S.H.I.E.L.D. is part of the reason he joined them. [[spoiler: Then [[spoiler:Then we learn that HYDRA had been infiltrating SHIELD S.H.I.E.L.D. from nearly day one and that the organization that Peggy was so proud of creating, ultimately was twisted into the very monster they wanted to protect people from. Zola then proceeds to twist the knife even further, by pointing out that since HYDRA ''wasn't'' defeated, this meant that Steve's sacrificing his life and his future with Peggy was ultimately ''[[SenselessSacrifice meaningless]]'' and achieved ''[[WonTheWarLostThePeace nothing]]'']].[[note]]If it makes you feel any better, he ''is'' overlooking the fact that Steve's sacrifice saved New York from being wiped off the map by Schmidt's bomber[[/note]]
bomber.[[/note]]
** Try watching this movie and [[{{Series/AgentCarter}} Agent Carter]] ''Series/AgentCarter'' back-to-back knowing [[spoiler: Peggy's eventual fate, being a shell of her former self physically and mentally]].
* Steve saying saying, [[spoiler:"Well, I couldn't leave my best girl. Not when she owes me a dance."]]



** FridgeBrilliance: Of course he did, he's a veteran's counselor, he's heard lines like that before. Being a vet himself, he may have used that tactic himself.

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** FridgeBrilliance: Of course he did, does, he's a veteran's counselor, he's heard lines like that before. Being a vet himself, he may have used that tactic himself.



*** He's just so passive and submissive in this scene. We know by this point that the Winter Soldier is capable of ripping through everyone in the room like they were wet tissue paper, yet he's so broken and helpless here that he's practically childlike. And he freely submits to the [[spoiler: painful-looking memory wipe]], despite the fact that he clearly hates it.
*** The fact that [[spoiler: Bucky, a man who was both a brother and comrade to Steve, has been brainwashed and abused over the course of several decades to the point that he's become a slave for HYDRA is nothing short of heartbreaking.]]

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*** He's just so passive and submissive in this scene. We know by this point that the Winter Soldier is capable of ripping through everyone in the room like they were wet tissue paper, yet he's so broken and helpless here that he's practically childlike. And he freely submits to the [[spoiler: painful-looking [[spoiler:painful-looking memory wipe]], despite the fact that he clearly hates it.
*** The fact that [[spoiler: Bucky, [[spoiler:Bucky, a man who was both a brother and comrade to Steve, has been brainwashed and abused over the course of several decades to the point that he's become a slave for HYDRA is nothing short of heartbreaking.]]



** The reaction immediately ''after'' that, where Steve incredulously (and even somewhat hopefully) says [[spoiler: "Bucky?"]] which is then immediately followed by [[spoiler: "Who the hell is Bucky?"]], is heartbreaking in the utter dismissal. Steve goes from hopeful to crushed in five words and half a second.
** The whole premise, in fact-you've found your best friend, after 70 years, and he ''might'' just recognize you and remember who you are, and everything will be fine, right? [[spoiler: No, your best friend doesn't even know you, ''and he wants you dead.'']]

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** The reaction immediately ''after'' that, where Steve incredulously (and even somewhat hopefully) says [[spoiler: "Bucky?"]] [[spoiler:"Bucky?"]] which is then immediately followed by [[spoiler: "Who [[spoiler:"Who the hell is Bucky?"]], is heartbreaking in the utter dismissal. Steve goes from hopeful to crushed in five words and half a second.
** The whole premise, in fact-you've fact--you've found your best friend, after 70 years, and he ''might'' just recognize you and remember who you are, and everything will be fine, right? [[spoiler: No, [[spoiler:No, your best friend doesn't even know you, ''and he wants you dead.'']]



* Steve's [[spoiler:willingness to die for his best friend. He chooses to stay and help the pinned-down Winter Soldier while the helicarrier they are in is blowing apart and with the risk that the brainwashed Bucky may still choose to kill him. And when Bucky does make that choice, Steve, satisfied that his own mission is completed and the world is safe, chooses not to fight him, accepting that he will get beaten to death by his best friend, ''for'' his best friend. Bucky may not have his memories back then and there, but seeing Cap's willingness to die by his hands for ''his sake'' makes him see that his perceived enemy is truly sincere, giving weight to Steve's insistence about him being his friend. And so he chooses to save Cap after Steve falls from the helicarrier and into the water below.]]
--> '''Steve''': [[spoiler:I'm not going to fight you (drops shield out of the Helicarrier.) You're my friend.]]\\
'''[[spoiler:Bucky]]''': You're my mission (savagely beating him, punctuating each word with a punch) YOU'RE! MY! MISSION!\\
'''Steve''': [[spoiler:Then finish it, 'cause I'm with you to the end of the line.]]
** In a similar vein, Steve's [[spoiler:willingness to beat the unholy hell out of Bucky if it means saving innocent lives. No, he's not happy doing it, but he still has the conviction and determination to put a chokehold on Bucky and he ''keeps applying pressure to his larynx'' until it's too much and Bucky drops the chip. As soon as Bucky's hand goes slack, Steve releases him and gets back to work, and only ''then'' does he drop his shield and refuse to fight. He's willing to do exactly how much it takes to save people, and ''no more'' -- he won't kill Bucky -- but also ''no less,'' because strangling your lifelong BFF for 20 million mostly-strangers still requires a hell of a lot of mental fortitude and moral fiber]].
--> '''Steve:''' People are going to die, [[spoiler:Buck]]. I can't let that happen. Please, don't make me do this.
** The song for this scene only adds to the gravitas of the scene. Soft, quiet, mournful. Hell it practically sounds like a musical tribute to the passing of a friendship like very few ever achieved. Even if the Winter Soldier gets his memories back for good, that means remembering all the people you've killed and one of those people you almost '''did''' kill was your absolute best friend in the world. It also means knowing that you've shaped the world, just as Captain America has... except for the worse. You've turned it into a paranoid shadow of its former self, too afraid to trust and oh-so-willing to kill for "safety".

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* Steve's [[spoiler:willingness to die for his best friend. He chooses to stay and help the pinned-down Winter Soldier while the helicarrier Helicarrier they are in is blowing apart and with the risk that the brainwashed Bucky may still choose to kill him. And when Bucky does make that choice, Steve, satisfied that his own mission is completed and the world is safe, chooses not to fight him, accepting that he will get beaten to death by his best friend, ''for'' his best friend. Bucky may not have his memories back then and there, but seeing Cap's willingness to die by his hands for ''his sake'' makes him see that his perceived enemy is truly sincere, giving weight to Steve's insistence about him being his friend. And so he chooses to save Cap after Steve falls from the helicarrier Helicarrier and into the water below.]]
--> '''Steve''': -->'''Steve:''' [[spoiler:I'm not going to fight you (drops you. ''[drops shield out of the Helicarrier.) Helicarrier]'' You're my friend.]]\\
'''[[spoiler:Bucky]]''': '''[[spoiler:Bucky]]:''' You're my mission (savagely mission. ''[savagely beating him, [[PunctuatedPounding punctuating each word with a punch) punch]]]'' YOU'RE! MY! MISSION!\\
'''Steve''': '''Steve:''' [[spoiler:Then finish it, 'cause I'm with you to the end of the line.]]
** In a similar vein, Steve's [[spoiler:willingness to beat the unholy hell out of Bucky if it means saving innocent lives. No, he's not happy doing it, but he still has the conviction and determination to put a chokehold on Bucky and he ''keeps applying pressure to his larynx'' until it's too much and Bucky drops the chip. As soon as Bucky's hand goes slack, Steve releases him and gets back to work, and only ''then'' does he drop his shield and refuse to fight. He's willing to do exactly how much it takes to save people, and ''no more'' -- he more''--he won't kill Bucky -- but Bucky--but also ''no less,'' because strangling your lifelong BFF for 20 million mostly-strangers still requires a hell of a lot of mental fortitude and moral fiber]].
--> '''Steve:''' --->'''Steve:''' People are going to die, [[spoiler:Buck]]. I can't let that happen. Please, don't make me do this.
** The song for this scene only adds to the gravitas of the scene. Soft, quiet, mournful. Hell it practically sounds like a musical tribute to the passing of a friendship like very few ever achieved. Even if the Winter Soldier gets his memories back for good, that means remembering all the people you've killed and that one of those people you almost '''did''' kill was your absolute best friend in the world. It also means knowing that you've shaped the world, just as Captain America has... except for the worse. You've turned it into a paranoid shadow of its former self, too afraid to trust and oh-so-willing to kill for "safety".



* The exchange between Nick Fury and Steve about [[spoiler: dissolving S.H.I.E.L.D.]] from top down is quite an emotional moment, considering how it has been rubbed to both their faces already that [[spoiler:because of HYDRA hijacking S.H.I.E.L.D., everything they've worked and fought for for the past years appears to have been all for naught.]] For all our misgivings of Fury's secrets, it's not hard to sympathize with him. He's basically [[spoiler: getting fired from a job he loves and has poured decades of his life into]].
* When discussing why he didn't tell Steve and Natasha that [[spoiler:his death was faked, Fury]] says that he "wasn't sure who [he] could trust." The camera cuts over to Nat, who is visibly upset by this. It calls to mind Steve's own words about being unsure whether to trust her earlier in the film -- for all her bravado and emotionless attitude, it ''bothers'' her that her own comrades don't trust her.
* TheStinger in which [[spoiler:Bucky goes to see the Captain America Smithsonian exhibit. His haunting look and ominous music certainly make an impression]]
* Every example of nameless S.H.I.E.L.D. personnel, some of them not even soldiers, who try to stop [[spoiler:the S.T.R.I.K.E. crew and the launch of Project Insight]] after [[spoiler:Captain America's call to action]]. Outnumbered and outgunned, they know exactly how it will end, but they make their choice regardless. All the more poignant for how painfully brief each sequence is - most of them didn't even stand a chance.

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* The exchange between Nick Fury and Steve about [[spoiler: dissolving [[spoiler:dissolving S.H.I.E.L.D.]] from top down is quite an emotional moment, considering how it has been rubbed to both their faces already that [[spoiler:because of HYDRA hijacking S.H.I.E.L.D., everything they've worked and fought for for the past years appears to have been all for naught.]] For all our misgivings of Fury's secrets, it's not hard to sympathize with him. He's basically [[spoiler: getting [[spoiler:getting fired from a job he loves and has poured decades of his life into]].
* When discussing why he didn't tell Steve and Natasha that [[spoiler:his death was faked, Fury]] says that he "wasn't sure who [he] could trust." The camera cuts over to Nat, who is visibly upset by this. It calls to mind Steve's own words about being unsure whether to trust her earlier in the film -- for film--for all her bravado and emotionless attitude, it ''bothers'' her that her own comrades don't trust her.
* TheStinger in which [[spoiler:Bucky goes to see the Captain America Smithsonian exhibit. His haunting look and ominous music certainly make an impression]]
impression]].
* Every example of nameless S.H.I.E.L.D. personnel, some of them not even soldiers, who try to stop [[spoiler:the S.T.R.I.K.E. STRIKE crew and the launch of Project Insight]] after [[spoiler:Captain America's call to action]]. Outnumbered and outgunned, they know exactly how it will end, but they make their choice regardless. All the more poignant for how painfully brief each sequence is - most is--most of them didn't don't even stand a chance.



** [[spoiler:It's gets worse when you realize that the implied reason for their deaths is because Howard realized that HYDRA had corrupted SHIELD. This must have led to his emotional turn later on life. In fact, his decision to push Tony away and send him to boarding school was probably an attempt to protect him from HYDRA.]]

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** [[spoiler:It's gets worse when you realize that the implied reason for their deaths is because Howard realized that HYDRA had corrupted SHIELD.S.H.I.E.L.D. This must have led to his emotional turn later on life. In fact, his decision to push Tony away and send him to boarding school was probably an attempt to protect him from HYDRA.]]



** [[spoiler: Well, as of Civil War, we've seen that reaction and he is most decidedly not in the best mood afterwards.]]
* Tony won't be too happy to find out that [[spoiler: the arc reactor tech he gave SHIELD to use on the Helicarriers was actually being used by HYDRA, and would have been used to kill him (as well as 20 million other people). And all this just after he got the shrapnel removed...]]
** He also won't be happy when he finds out that [[spoiler: his parents are ''dead'' because of HYDRA as mentioned above. Or that HYDRA was there when Howard first started building it...]] We know what happens when [[Franchise/{{Batman}} billionaires lose their parents.]]
* Nick Fury confronting Pierce at the end is obviously very sad and painful for him. [[spoiler:Nick is amazed that the man who hired him to be director and was TheMentor to him, once rejected a Nobel Peace Prize, is actually an unbalanced WellIntentionedExtremist. His PreMortemOneLiner before he shoots him sells it.]]
--> '''Nick:''' [[BrokenPedestal You know, there was a time when I would have taken a bullet for you.]]
** Pierce's reaction is one of the coldest imaginable. Not only is it a clear statement of intent [[spoiler: to follow through on killing Fury]], it entirely casts aside any respect or camaraderie the two might have retained. Pierce sees Fury, whom he spoke so highly of to Cap, as nothing more than a [[spoiler: disposable]] pawn.
--> '''Pierce:''' [[KickTheDog You already did.]] [[PragmaticVillainy You will again when it's useful.]]
* One has to feel a little sorry for President Ellis. His administration began with the whole Mandarin incident occurring, which ended up [[spoiler: including his Vice President being in on it.]] Then, just a year and a half later, the whole world finds out that [[spoiler: HYDRA has been secretly running or influencing SHIELD since its inception and that they very nearly succeeded in perpetrating an attack on the U.S. that would have been far more devastating than 9/11 and Loki's invasion combined.]] There's no doubt that while Ellis is in no way responsible for these events occurring he will most likely be blamed by many members of the public and possibly going down in history as one of the worst or most ineffectual Presidents in the history of the nation. [[spoiler:Still, at least it's better than being vaporized by helicarrier fire, which could have happened had Steve been only a few seconds slower.]]

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** [[spoiler: Well, [[spoiler:Well, as of Civil War, ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'', we've seen that reaction and he is most decidedly not in the best mood afterwards.]]
* Tony won't be too happy to find out that [[spoiler: the arc reactor repulsor tech he gave SHIELD S.H.I.E.L.D. to use on the Helicarriers was actually being used by HYDRA, and would have been used to kill him (as well as 20 million other people). And all this just after he got the shrapnel removed...]]
** He also won't be happy when he finds out that [[spoiler: his parents are ''dead'' because of HYDRA as mentioned above. Or that HYDRA was there when Howard first started building it...]] We know what happens when [[Franchise/{{Batman}} billionaires lose their parents.]]
parents]].
* Nick Fury confronting Pierce at the end is obviously very sad and painful for him. [[spoiler:Nick is amazed that the man who hired him to be director and was TheMentor to him, and who once rejected a Nobel Peace Prize, is actually an unbalanced WellIntentionedExtremist. His PreMortemOneLiner before he shoots him sells it.]]
--> '''Nick:''' -->'''Nick:''' [[BrokenPedestal You know, there was a time when I would have taken a bullet for you.]]
** Pierce's reaction is one of the coldest imaginable. Not only is it a clear statement of intent [[spoiler: to [[spoiler:to follow through on killing Fury]], it entirely casts aside any respect or camaraderie the two might have retained. Pierce sees Fury, whom he spoke so highly of to Cap, as nothing more than a [[spoiler: disposable]] [[spoiler:disposable]] pawn.
--> '''Pierce:''' --->'''Pierce:''' [[KickTheDog You already did.]] [[PragmaticVillainy You will again again, when it's useful.]]
* One has to feel a little sorry for President Ellis. His administration began with [[Film/IronMan3 the whole Mandarin incident incident]] occurring, which ended up [[spoiler: including [[spoiler:including his Vice President being in on it.]] it]]. Then, just a year and a half later, the whole world finds out that [[spoiler: HYDRA [[spoiler:HYDRA has been secretly running or influencing SHIELD S.H.I.E.L.D. since its inception and that they very nearly succeeded in perpetrating an attack on the U.S. that would have been far more devastating than 9/11 and Loki's invasion combined.]] combined]]. There's no doubt that while Ellis is in no way responsible for these events occurring occurring, he will most likely be blamed by many members of the public and possibly going go down in history as one of the worst or most ineffectual Presidents in the history of the nation. [[spoiler:Still, at least it's better than being vaporized by helicarrier Helicarrier fire, which could have happened had Steve been only a few seconds slower.]]



* Sharon discovers during the course of the film that [[spoiler: SHIELD was being manipulated by HYDRA all along]], and her Aunt Peggy poured her life into SHIELD, and inspired Sharon to do the same. She essentially discovers that [[spoiler: everything she and her aunt believed in was a lie.]]

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* Sharon discovers during the course of the film that [[spoiler: SHIELD [[spoiler:S.H.I.E.L.D. was being manipulated by HYDRA all along]], and her Aunt Peggy poured her life into SHIELD, S.H.I.E.L.D., and inspired Sharon to do the same. She essentially discovers that [[spoiler: everything [[spoiler:everything she and her aunt believed in was a lie.]]lie]].



** There's some more sadness mixed with FridgeHorror when you consider that [[spoiler:Hydra was causing conflicts for centuries to make the world give up its freedom. It's entirely possible that the conflicts that the veterans fought in were similarly manipulated by HYDRA. How much worse do you think they're going to feel when they find out that they served to fight for their country, saw numerous horrors and close comrades dying, and were left with lasting psychological effects, all as part of a take-over-the-world scheme by a totalitarian group founded by literal Nazis?]]
* During [[spoiler: Zola's monologue]], we get a [[CallBack split second shot of the newspaper headline]] about Howard Stark's car accident from the opening of the first {{Film/Iron Man}} film, and we learn that [[spoiler: the H.Y.D.R.A. parasite killed Howard and Maria Stark.]] because they feared his intelligence; it makes Tony's comment from ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'' about an intelligence organization fearing intelligence HarsherInHindsight.
* Sitwell [[spoiler: being revealed to be EvilAllAlong, and then being [[DroppedABridgeOnHim unceremoniously]] killed off by The Winter Soldier (who was technically on the same side as him). The character has been in ''Film/{{Thor}}'', ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'', two ''Film/MarvelOneShots'', and [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/AgentsOfSHIELDS1E7TheHub three]] [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/AgentsOfSHIELDS1E15YesMen episodes]] [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/AgentsOfSHIELDS1E16EndOfTheBeginning of]] ''Series/AgentsOfShield'', so audiences had become quite attached to him by now...]]
* Heck, just about everything about [[spoiler: the Winter Soldier]] is sad. [[spoiler:The fact that HYDRA has turned Bucky, who was charismatic and loyal to Steve, into an emotionless assassin who seems to regularly gets treated to painful mind wiping procedures and abuse from the very organization he fought and "died" to defeat.]]
* Natasha's reaction to discovering that the organization she dedicated her service to remove the "red" from her ledger [[spoiler:was H.Y.D.R.A. in disguise.]]
-->'''Natasha:''' When I joined S.H.I.E.L.D. I thought I was going straight. Turns out [[spoiler: I just traded KGB for H.Y.D.R.A.]]
* Emphasis has been placed on Peggy being unable to remember that Steve is alive is already tearjerking but we know from the end of the film as well as AOS that it's all over the news that Hydra had infiltrated and hijacked Shield. So now Peggy can find out every day for the rest of her life that the organization she helped found and poured decades of her life into was taken over by the organization that took away the man she loved and fought so hard against. And with her dementia/Alzheimer's she's going to have to relive this fun fact over and over.

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** There's some more sadness mixed with FridgeHorror when you consider that [[spoiler:Hydra [[spoiler:HYDRA was causing conflicts for centuries to make the world give up its freedom. It's entirely possible that the conflicts that the veterans fought in were similarly manipulated by HYDRA. How much worse do you think they're going to feel when they find out that they served to fight for their country, saw numerous horrors and close comrades dying, and were left with lasting psychological effects, all as part of a take-over-the-world scheme by a totalitarian group founded by literal Nazis?]]
* During [[spoiler: Zola's [[spoiler:Zola's monologue]], we get a [[CallBack split second shot of the newspaper headline]] about Howard Stark's car accident from the opening of the first {{Film/Iron Man}} ''Film/IronMan1'' film, and we learn that [[spoiler: the H.Y.D.R.A. [[spoiler:the HYDRA parasite killed Howard and Maria Stark.]] Stark]] because they feared his intelligence; it makes Tony's comment from ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'' about an intelligence organization fearing intelligence HarsherInHindsight.
* Sitwell [[spoiler: [[spoiler:Agent Sitwell]] being revealed to be EvilAllAlong, and then being [[DroppedABridgeOnHim unceremoniously]] killed off by The the Winter Soldier (who was technically on the same side as him). The character has been in ''Film/{{Thor}}'', ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'', two ''Film/MarvelOneShots'', and [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/AgentsOfSHIELDS1E7TheHub [[Recap/AgentsOfSHIELDS1E7TheHub three]] [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/AgentsOfSHIELDS1E15YesMen [[Recap/AgentsOfSHIELDS1E15YesMen episodes]] [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/AgentsOfSHIELDS1E16EndOfTheBeginning [[Recap/AgentsOfSHIELDS1E16EndOfTheBeginning of]] ''Series/AgentsOfShield'', ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'', so audiences had become quite attached to him by now...]]
now...
* Heck, just about everything about [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Winter Soldier]] is sad. [[spoiler:The fact that HYDRA has turned Bucky, who was charismatic and loyal to Steve, into an emotionless assassin who seems to regularly gets treated to painful mind wiping procedures and abuse from the very organization he fought and "died" to defeat.]]
* Natasha's reaction to discovering that the organization she dedicated her service to remove the "red" from her ledger [[spoiler:was H.Y.D.R.A. HYDRA in disguise.]]
disguise]].
-->'''Natasha:''' When I joined S.H.I.E.L.D. I thought I was going straight. Turns out [[spoiler: I [[spoiler:I just traded the KGB for HYDRA]].
* Emphasis has been placed on how Peggy being unable to remember that Steve is alive is already tearjerking, but we know from the end of the film as well as ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'' that it's all over the news that [[spoiler:HYDRA had infiltrated and hijacked S.
H.Y.I.E.L.D.R.A.]]
* Emphasis has been placed on Peggy being unable to remember that Steve is alive is already tearjerking but we know from the end of the film as well as AOS that it's all over the news that Hydra had infiltrated and hijacked Shield.
]]. So now Peggy can find out every day for the rest of her life that the [[spoiler:the organization she helped found and poured decades of her life into was taken over by the organization that took away the man she loved and fought so hard against. against]]. And with her dementia/Alzheimer's dementia/Alzheimer's, she's going to have to relive this fun fact over and over.



-->Sharon: Captain.
-->Steve: [[BrokenPedestal Neighbor.]]

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-->Sharon: Captain.
-->Steve:
-->'''Sharon:''' Captain.\\
'''Steve:'''
[[BrokenPedestal Neighbor.]]



* The deaths of the World Security Council members is rather sad. In the span of a few minutes they went from being morally ambiguous jerks to being [[AdoptTheDog firmly on the side of the good guys]] when they immediately stood up to [[spoiler: Alexander Pierce]] and condemned his scheme. Then they're killed unceremoniously, dying with the knowledge that the organization they led, an organization that was supposed to protect the entire world, must be destroyed.
* The [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone horrified look]] on the Winter Soldier's face when [[spoiler: he finally realizes who he's beating up on the Helicarrier.]]
* The strangely somber scene where Steve [[AttendingYourOwnFuneral visits the Smithsonian exhibit on himself]] always gets this troper teary-eyed - the entire sequence has a sort of mournfulness about it, with the realization that the life Steve had before is now just a bunch of old film reels and artifacts.
* There's something terribly sad about Steve's exchange with the [[spoiler: H.Y.D.R.A. assassins who'd formerly been posing as his team.]]
-->[[spoiler: '''Brock Rumlow''']]: I just want you to know, Cap... This isn't personal!
-->''(fight scene ensues, Steve naturally wins)''
-->'''Steve''': ...It kind of feels personal.
** What makes it worse is that from what we know, [[spoiler: Rumlow]] ''did'' actually have a great deal of respect for Steve.
* Marvel recently released Peggy's full interview from the Smithsonian and we get to see all the questions she was asked. It starts off heartwarming, but goes into tearjerker territory when the interviewer asks Peggy to confirm that she was the last person to speak to Steve before his plane went down — then asks if she can tell us what Steve's last words were. Poor Peggy is trying so hard not to break down and cry and can only mouth the words "I can't" before the interview ends. On top of this Peggy states that Steve was the first person to treat her like a human being. The whole thing can be watched [[http://eatingcroutons.tumblr.com/post/138855141640/peggy-carters-1951-1953-interview-part-of-which here]].

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*** As of ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'', [[spoiler:not too bad, actually]]. All he wants to know is whether [[spoiler:Peggy also knew Sharon was spying on him, and Sharon reassures him that she didn't want Peggy to have to keep a secret from Steve]].
* The deaths of the World Security Council members is rather sad. In the span of a few minutes they went go from being morally ambiguous jerks to being [[AdoptTheDog firmly on the side of the good guys]] when they immediately stood stand up to [[spoiler: Alexander [[spoiler:Alexander Pierce]] and condemned condemn his scheme. Then they're killed unceremoniously, dying with the knowledge that the organization they led, an organization that was supposed to protect the entire world, must be destroyed.
* The [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone horrified look]] on the Winter Soldier's face when [[spoiler: he [[spoiler:he finally realizes who he's beating up on the Helicarrier.Helicarrier]].
* The strangely somber scene where Steve [[AttendingYourOwnFuneral visits the Smithsonian exhibit on himself]] always gets this troper teary-eyed--the entire sequence has a sort of mournfulness about it, with the realization that the life Steve had before is now just a bunch of old film reels and artifacts.
* There's something terribly sad about Steve's exchange with the [[spoiler:HYDRA assassins who'd formerly been posing as his team.
]]
* The strangely somber scene where Steve [[AttendingYourOwnFuneral visits the Smithsonian exhibit on himself]] always gets this troper teary-eyed - the entire sequence has a sort of mournfulness about it, with the realization that the life Steve had before is now just a bunch of old film reels and artifacts.
* There's something terribly sad about Steve's exchange with the [[spoiler: H.Y.D.R.A. assassins who'd formerly been posing as his team.]]
-->[[spoiler: '''Brock Rumlow''']]:
-->'''[[spoiler:Brock Rumlow]]:''' I just want you to know, Cap... This isn't personal!
-->''(fight
personal!\\
''[fight
scene ensues, Steve naturally wins)''
-->'''Steve''': ...
wins]''\\
'''Steve:''' ...
It kind of feels personal.
** What makes it worse is that from what we know, [[spoiler: Rumlow]] [[spoiler:Rumlow]] ''did'' actually have a great deal of respect for Steve.
* Marvel recently released Peggy's full interview from the Smithsonian and we get to see all the questions she was asked. It starts off heartwarming, but goes into tearjerker territory when the interviewer asks Peggy to confirm that she was the last person to speak to Steve before his plane went down — then down—then asks if she can tell us what Steve's last words were. Poor Peggy is trying so hard not to break down and cry and can only mouth the words "I can't" before the interview ends. On top of this Peggy states that Steve was the first person to treat her like a human being. The whole thing can be watched [[http://eatingcroutons.tumblr.com/post/138855141640/peggy-carters-1951-1953-interview-part-of-which here]].
9th May '16 1:27:35 PM costanton11
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** His admission that Peggy being one of the founders of SHIELD is part of the reason he joined them. [[spoiler: Then we learn that HYDRA had been infiltrating SHIELD from nearly day one and that the organisation that Peggy was so proud of creating, ultimately was twisted into the very monster they wanted to protect people from. Zola then proceeds to twist the knife even further, by pointing out that since HYDRA ''wasn't'' defeated, this meant that Steve's sacrificing his life and his future with Peggy was ultimately ''[[SenselessSacrifice meaningless]]'' and achieved ''[[WonTheWarLostThePeace nothing]]'']].[[note]]If it makes you feel any better, he ''is'' overlooking the fact that Steve's sacrifice saved New York from being wiped off the map by Schmidt's bomber[[/note]]

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** His admission that Peggy being one of the founders of SHIELD is part of the reason he joined them. [[spoiler: Then we learn that HYDRA had been infiltrating SHIELD from nearly day one and that the organisation organization that Peggy was so proud of creating, ultimately was twisted into the very monster they wanted to protect people from. Zola then proceeds to twist the knife even further, by pointing out that since HYDRA ''wasn't'' defeated, this meant that Steve's sacrificing his life and his future with Peggy was ultimately ''[[SenselessSacrifice meaningless]]'' and achieved ''[[WonTheWarLostThePeace nothing]]'']].[[note]]If it makes you feel any better, he ''is'' overlooking the fact that Steve's sacrifice saved New York from being wiped off the map by Schmidt's bomber[[/note]]



* One has to feel a little sorry for President Ellis. His administration began with the whole Mandarin incident occurring, which ended up [[spoiler: including his Vice President being in on it.]] Then, just a year and a half later, the whole world finds out that [[spoiler: HYDRA has been secretly running or influencing SHIELD since its inception and that they very nearly succeeded in perpetrating an attack on the U.S. that would have been far more devastating than 9/11 and Loki's invasion combined.]] There's no doubt that while Ellis is in no way responsible for these events occurring he will most likely be blamed by many members of the public and possibly going down in history as one of the worst or most ineffectual Presidents in the history of the nation. [[spoiler:Still, at least it's better than being vaporised by helicarrier fire, which could have happened had Steve been only a few seconds slower.]]

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* One has to feel a little sorry for President Ellis. His administration began with the whole Mandarin incident occurring, which ended up [[spoiler: including his Vice President being in on it.]] Then, just a year and a half later, the whole world finds out that [[spoiler: HYDRA has been secretly running or influencing SHIELD since its inception and that they very nearly succeeded in perpetrating an attack on the U.S. that would have been far more devastating than 9/11 and Loki's invasion combined.]] There's no doubt that while Ellis is in no way responsible for these events occurring he will most likely be blamed by many members of the public and possibly going down in history as one of the worst or most ineffectual Presidents in the history of the nation. [[spoiler:Still, at least it's better than being vaporised vaporized by helicarrier fire, which could have happened had Steve been only a few seconds slower.]]



** And when she bursts into Steve's apartment [[spoiler:revealing her true identity, the look on her face when she sees a nearly dead Fury is heartwrenching. Especially since Fury personally assigned her to keep an eye on Steve.]]

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** And when she bursts into Steve's apartment [[spoiler:revealing her true identity, the look on her face when she sees a nearly dead Fury is heartwrenching.heart-wrenching. Especially since Fury personally assigned her to keep an eye on Steve.]]



** There's some more sadness mixed with FridgeHorror when you consider that [[spoiler:Hydra was causing conflicts for centuries to make the world give up its freedom. It's entirely possible that the conflicts that the veterans fought in were similarly manipulated by HYDRA. How much worse do you think they're going to feel when they find out that they served to fight for their country, saw numerous horrors and close comrades dying, and were left with lasting physiological effects, all as part of a take-over-the-world scheme by a totalitarian group founded by literal Nazis?]]

to:

** There's some more sadness mixed with FridgeHorror when you consider that [[spoiler:Hydra was causing conflicts for centuries to make the world give up its freedom. It's entirely possible that the conflicts that the veterans fought in were similarly manipulated by HYDRA. How much worse do you think they're going to feel when they find out that they served to fight for their country, saw numerous horrors and close comrades dying, and were left with lasting physiological psychological effects, all as part of a take-over-the-world scheme by a totalitarian group founded by literal Nazis?]]
9th May '16 1:26:08 PM costanton11
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** [[spoiler: Well, as of Civil War, we've seen that reaction and he is most decidedly not in the best mood afterwards.]]


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** There's some more sadness mixed with FridgeHorror when you consider that [[spoiler:Hydra was causing conflicts for centuries to make the world give up its freedom. It's entirely possible that the conflicts that the veterans fought in were similarly manipulated by HYDRA. How much worse do you think they're going to feel when they find out that they served to fight for their country, saw numerous horrors and close comrades dying, and were left with lasting physiological effects, all as part of a take-over-the-world scheme by a totalitarian group founded by literal Nazis?]]
29th Apr '16 2:38:58 PM Ilya_Rysenkov
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* TheStinger in which [[spoiler:Bucky goes to see the Captain America Smithsonian exhibit.]]

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* TheStinger in which [[spoiler:Bucky goes to see the Captain America Smithsonian exhibit.]] His haunting look and ominous music certainly make an impression]]
11th Mar '16 5:33:17 AM GothicProphet
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* Marvel recently released Peggy's full interview from the Smithsonian and we get to see all the questions she was asked. It starts off heartwarming, but goes into tearjerker territory when the interviewer asks Peggy to confirm that she was the last person to speak to Steve before his plane went down — then asks if she can tell us what Steve's last words were. Poor Peggy is trying so hard not to break down and cry and can only mouth the words "I can't" before the interview ends. On top of this Peggy states that Steve was the first person to treat her like a human being. The whole thing can be watched [[http://eatingcroutons.tumblr.com/post/138855141640/peggy-carters-1951-1953-interview-part-of-which here]]

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* Marvel recently released Peggy's full interview from the Smithsonian and we get to see all the questions she was asked. It starts off heartwarming, but goes into tearjerker territory when the interviewer asks Peggy to confirm that she was the last person to speak to Steve before his plane went down — then asks if she can tell us what Steve's last words were. Poor Peggy is trying so hard not to break down and cry and can only mouth the words "I can't" before the interview ends. On top of this Peggy states that Steve was the first person to treat her like a human being. The whole thing can be watched [[http://eatingcroutons.tumblr.com/post/138855141640/peggy-carters-1951-1953-interview-part-of-which here]]here]].
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3rd Mar '16 8:36:55 PM maximsk
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* Marvel recently released Peggy's full interview from the Smithsonian and we get to see all the questions she was asked. It starts off heartwarming but goes into tearjerker territory when the interviewer asks Peggy to confirm that she was the last person to speak to Steve before his plane went down and then asks her what Steves last words were. Poor Peggy is trying so hard not to break down and cry and can only mouth the words "I can't " before the interview ends. On top of this Peggy states that Steve was the first person to treat her like a human being. The whole thing can be watched [[http://eatingcroutons.tumblr.com/post/138855141640/peggy-carters-1951-1953-interview-part-of-which here]]

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* Marvel recently released Peggy's full interview from the Smithsonian and we get to see all the questions she was asked. It starts off heartwarming heartwarming, but goes into tearjerker territory when the interviewer asks Peggy to confirm that she was the last person to speak to Steve before his plane went down and then asks her if she can tell us what Steves Steve's last words were. Poor Peggy is trying so hard not to break down and cry and can only mouth the words "I can't " can't" before the interview ends. On top of this Peggy states that Steve was the first person to treat her like a human being. The whole thing can be watched [[http://eatingcroutons.tumblr.com/post/138855141640/peggy-carters-1951-1953-interview-part-of-which here]]
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