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* From the beginning of the second arc: Natsuhi complimenting Jessica on her performance at the school festival and Jessica getting bashful, thinking that Natsuhi watched her secret musical performance and approved of it. But then Jessica realizes that Natsuhi was only complimenting her formal speech as the student council president and becomes depressed instead.
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* Also from Episode 5, the moment before the trial. [[spoiler: Virgilia is having a more or less one sided conversation with Beatrice, who is still jaded, dead eyed and listless. Virgilia outright tells Beatrice that Battler has gotten everything he needed to find the truth by the end of Episode 4, but that because he still has some weakness, he'll still never solve the game, and as such Beatrice will also remain tormented. Virgilia, who is basically Beato's ''mother figure'' is sorrowfully begging her to simply give up her hope that he'll solve it and ''let herself die''. The way Virgilia's voice sounds like it's cracking also seals it as well.]]
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** And while we're at it, EP 8's credits song, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFyzTtKNzYI Ricordando il passato]].

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** And while we're at it, EP 8's credits song, [[https://www.[[https://web.archive.org/web/20230115133304/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFyzTtKNzYI Ricordando il passato]].
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[[caption-width-right:350:Riposa, riposa in pace...[[note]]Rest, rest in peace...[[/note]]]]

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[[caption-width-right:350:Riposa, riposa in pace...pace: Nel racconto, che ho scritto, puoi volare in libertà. [[note]]Rest, rest in peace...peace: In this tale I wrote, you can fly in freedom.[[/note]]]]
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* The manga's depiction of [[FreudianExcuse Erika's backstory as a human]], especially her face as her BastardBoyfriend screams at her that he never loved her and that she should just go and die.

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* The manga's depiction of [[FreudianExcuse Erika's backstory as a human]], especially her face as her BastardBoyfriend DomesticAbuser screams at her that he never loved her and that she should just go and die.
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** Or the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLsr2MBHD2c music box version]] which manages to turn the song into [[UpToEleven even more of a Tear Jerker]] by including [[spoiler:Beato's last words]] during the interval, adding to the impact behind the lyrics.

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** Or the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLsr2MBHD2c music box version]] which manages to turn the song into [[UpToEleven even more of a Tear Jerker]] Jerker by including [[spoiler:Beato's last words]] during the interval, adding to the impact behind the lyrics.



* From Episode 5: [[spoiler: the end of the trial. Natsuhi has been horribly framed for both murder and adultery, both Beatrice and the Kinzo who supported her being revealed as a delusion she created out of sheer despair and loneliness, she gets beaten up by Eva, both her husband and daughter are dead, and ''nobody'' (except Battler, who knows that she's innocent for sure, but was recently impaled) is trying to protect or support her anymore; everyone's buying Erika's lie. She finally breaks down sobbing completely, and starts talking to the man from 19 years ago and crying and asking him if he's finally satisfied with taking revenge on her, and if not, what else could he want from her.]] The music playing during that scene, while breathtakingly beautiful, raises the TearJerker level UpToEleven.

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* From Episode 5: [[spoiler: the end of the trial. Natsuhi has been horribly framed for both murder and adultery, both Beatrice and the Kinzo who supported her being revealed as a delusion she created out of sheer despair and loneliness, she gets beaten up by Eva, both her husband and daughter are dead, and ''nobody'' (except Battler, who knows that she's innocent for sure, but was recently impaled) is trying to protect or support her anymore; everyone's buying Erika's lie. She finally breaks down sobbing completely, and starts talking to the man from 19 years ago and crying and asking him if he's finally satisfied with taking revenge on her, and if not, what else could he want from her.]] The music playing during that scene, while breathtakingly beautiful, raises the TearJerker level UpToEleven.up to eleven.
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* The manga's depiction of [[FreudianExcuse Erika's backstory as a human]], especially her face as her BastardBoyfriend screams at her that he never loved her and that she should just go and die (which she [[DrivenToSuicide ultimately did.]])

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* The manga's depiction of [[FreudianExcuse Erika's backstory as a human]], especially her face as her BastardBoyfriend screams at her that he never loved her and that she should just go and die (which she [[DrivenToSuicide ultimately did.]])die.
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* The manga's depiction of [[FreudianExcuse Erika's backstory as a human]], especially her face as her BastardBoyfriend screams at her that he never loved her and that she should just go and die (which she [[DrivenToSuicide ultimately did.]])
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* The manga adaptation of EP5's trial shows Battler's desperate attempts to do anything blocked again and again by the Red until he can barely stand]] and is just wildly thowing out anything he can think of to stop Erika. And then the [[HopeSpot one bit of hope he had]] gets [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice mercilessly impaled.]]

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* The manga adaptation of EP5's [=EP5=]'s trial shows Battler's desperate attempts to do anything blocked again and again by the Red until he can barely stand]] stand and is just wildly thowing out anything he can think of to stop Erika. And then the [[HopeSpot one bit of hope he had]] gets [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice mercilessly impaled.]]
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** The manga makes the former scene even worse. [[spoiler: "[[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/umineko_no_naku_koro_ni_episode_4_alliance_of_the_golden_witch/v02/c012/39.html Come on, kill me! Deny me! Your first and last frieeeeeeeend!]]"]]

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** The manga makes the former scene even worse. [[spoiler: "[[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/umineko_no_naku_koro_ni_episode_4_alliance_of_the_golden_witch/v02/c012/39.html Come "Come on, kill me! Deny me! Your first and last frieeeeeeeend!]]"]]frieeeeeeeend!"]]



* The manga adaptation of EP5's trial [[http://www.mangahere.com/manga/umineko_no_naku_koro_ni_chiru_episode_5_end_of_the_golden_witch/c023/58.html shows Battler's desperate attempts to do anything]] [[http://www.mangahere.com/manga/umineko_no_naku_koro_ni_chiru_episode_5_end_of_the_golden_witch/c023/63.html blocked again and again by the Red]], [[http://www.mangahere.com/manga/umineko_no_naku_koro_ni_chiru_episode_5_end_of_the_golden_witch/c023/64.html until he can barely stand]] and is just wildly thowing out anything he can think of to stop Erika. And then the [[HopeSpot one bit of hope he had]] gets [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice mercilessly]] [[http://www.mangahere.com/manga/umineko_no_naku_koro_ni_chiru_episode_5_end_of_the_golden_witch/c023/72.html impaled.]]

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* The manga adaptation of EP5's trial [[http://www.mangahere.com/manga/umineko_no_naku_koro_ni_chiru_episode_5_end_of_the_golden_witch/c023/58.html shows Battler's desperate attempts to do anything]] [[http://www.mangahere.com/manga/umineko_no_naku_koro_ni_chiru_episode_5_end_of_the_golden_witch/c023/63.html anything blocked again and again by the Red]], [[http://www.mangahere.com/manga/umineko_no_naku_koro_ni_chiru_episode_5_end_of_the_golden_witch/c023/64.html Red until he can barely stand]] and is just wildly thowing out anything he can think of to stop Erika. And then the [[HopeSpot one bit of hope he had]] gets [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice mercilessly]] [[http://www.mangahere.com/manga/umineko_no_naku_koro_ni_chiru_episode_5_end_of_the_golden_witch/c023/72.html mercilessly impaled.]]
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** In EP 8, [[spoiler: the Kinzo of the Golden Land who exists in Battler's game has realized how selfish he'd been in wanting forgiveness from his dead wife and daughter to the point where he'd used said daughter's child that he'd had with her and left his other offsprings to turn into the broken family they became. So ultimately, even his "atonement" had been just another sin from him, enough of one to make him ask himself MyGodWhatHaveIDone?]]

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** In EP 8, [[spoiler: the Kinzo of the Golden Land who exists in Battler's game has realized how selfish he'd been in wanting forgiveness from his dead wife and daughter to the point where he'd used said daughter's child that he'd had with her and left his other offsprings to turn into the broken family they became. So ultimately, even his "atonement" had been just another sin from him, enough of one to make him ask himself MyGodWhatHaveIDone?]]MyGodWhatHaveIDone]]
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* EP 7, [[spoiler: After Beatrice as Beato the Elder solved the epitaph, found the gold and had Genji brought her to Kinzo, he's brought to tears after he's reunited with her as his long-lost granddaughter but also his daughter via his ParentalIncest with his daughter, the late Beatrice II which he confessed about it to her as atonement for his sins then passing over the family inheritance to her as the next head of the Ushiromiya family, asking her to call him 'father' which she does before he declares he now no longer has any lingering regrets and laughs all the way to his limit before he slowly collapsed and died.]]
** In EP 8, [[spoiler: the Kinzo of the Golden Land who exists in Battler's game has realized how selfish he'd been in wanting forgiveness from his dead wife and daughter to the point where he'd used said daughter's child that he'd had with her and left his other offsprings to turn into the broken family they became. So ultimately, even his "atonement" had been just another sin from him, enough of one to make him ask himself MyGodWhatHaveIDone?.]]

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* EP 7, [[spoiler: After Beatrice as Beato the Elder solved the epitaph, found the gold and had Genji brought her to Kinzo, he's brought to tears after he's reunited with her as his long-lost granddaughter but also his daughter via his ParentalIncest with his daughter, the late Beatrice II which he confessed about it to her as atonement for his sins then passing over the family inheritance to her as the next head of the Ushiromiya family, asking her to call him 'father' which she does before he declares he now no longer has any lingering regrets and [[LaughingMad laughs all the way to his limit limit]] before he slowly collapsed and died.]]
** In EP 8, [[spoiler: the Kinzo of the Golden Land who exists in Battler's game has realized how selfish he'd been in wanting forgiveness from his dead wife and daughter to the point where he'd used said daughter's child that he'd had with her and left his other offsprings to turn into the broken family they became. So ultimately, even his "atonement" had been just another sin from him, enough of one to make him ask himself MyGodWhatHaveIDone?.]]MyGodWhatHaveIDone?]]
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* A ''lot'' of moments in Episode 4 qualify. First, Ange's past and story is particularly painful to read through- especially when right after a scene in which we see Ange happily playing with the stakes and Maria, we are treated to a scene when she gets bullied by her classmates in such a painful way that is already heart-rending, but then she reaches her breaking point, and demands from the stakes to kill them- when they can't and try to explain, she [[spoiler:denies them all and kills them, and Sakutaro the witch Maria as well - meaning, her only friends. Then, after they all disappear, when she finally stands up and reads up the humiliating letter the bullies were coercing her into reading, she breaks down in the middle, and asks for someone to let her die - seeing this happen to IronWoobie ''Ange'', of all people, is really painful and sad.]] Second, the entire scene where Maria [[spoiler: kills Rosa]] really shows just how broken and tragic they both are in their own ways, in particular if we buy the interpretation that [[spoiler: it's Maria's dream; meaning, ''this is how Maria truly sees her mother''- nothing but an ugly, abusive monster. Or even worse, it's a shared dream between Maria and Rosa, which would also mean it's ''how Rosa sees herself deep down'' - that her own self-loathing is so bad that she truly believes she should suffer in such a gruesome way for eternity]].

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* A ''lot'' of moments in Episode 4 qualify. First, Ange's past and story is particularly painful to read through- especially when right after a scene in which we see Ange happily playing with the stakes and Maria, we are treated to a scene when she gets bullied by her classmates in such a painful way that is already heart-rending, but then she reaches her breaking point, and demands from the stakes to kill them- when they can't and try to explain, she [[spoiler:denies them all and kills them, and Sakutaro and the witch Maria as well - meaning, her only friends. Then, after they all disappear, when she finally stands up and reads up the humiliating letter the bullies were coercing her into reading, she breaks down in the middle, and asks for someone to let her die - seeing this happen to IronWoobie ''Ange'', of all people, is really painful and sad.]] Second, the entire scene where Maria [[spoiler: kills Rosa]] really shows just how broken and tragic they both are in their own ways, in particular if we buy the interpretation that [[spoiler: it's Maria's dream; meaning, ''this is how Maria truly sees her mother''- nothing but an ugly, abusive monster. Or even worse, it's a shared dream between Maria and Rosa, which would also mean it's ''how Rosa sees herself deep down'' - that her own self-loathing is so bad that she truly believes she should suffer in such a gruesome way for eternity]].
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** Mega spoilers. Alternatively, remember that Twilight reveals that Umineko is [[spoiler:fan-fiction by Yasu for EP 1-2 and Battler deducing what happened on the island for EP 3-5.]] Chiru could also imply Battler, after his deductions, figured out [[spoiler:about the shitty situation Yasu was in with: her illness; her being bullied by the other servants and the orphans from Fukuin; her body image issues; her best friend and crush leaving the island with little hope of returning after he promised (kinda) they'd spend the rest of their lives together; her being the new headship of the Ushiromiya family (which she inherited from her (Grand)father); her finding out that her Father is also her Grandpappy and employer (including the fact that the incest only made her feel worse); [[TraumaCongaLine and her being forced to spend the rest of her life on that same spit of land where her life had been a living hell apart from the aforementioned MIA crush -- the crush whose MIA status coupled with her body issues and her not receiving of a letter from Battler caused her to start to go slowly insane.]]]] As Chiru implies that [[spoiler:Sayo]] ended up dead from drowning (while Battler survived but lost his memories), it can be inferred that Battler [[spoiler:[[MyGreatestFailure feels guilty he couldn't reconcile with Sayo for all the crap he felt he put her before she died.]]]]

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** Mega spoilers. Alternatively, remember that Twilight reveals that Umineko is [[spoiler:fan-fiction by Yasu for EP 1-2 and Battler deducing what happened on the island for EP 3-5.]] Chiru could also imply Battler, after his deductions, figured out [[spoiler:about the shitty situation Yasu was in with: her illness; her being bullied by the other servants and the orphans from Fukuin; her body image issues; her best friend and crush leaving the island with little hope of returning after he promised (kinda) they'd spend the rest of their lives together; her being the new headship of the Ushiromiya family (which she inherited from her (Grand)father); her finding out that her Father is also her Grandpappy and employer (including the fact that the incest only made her feel worse); [[TraumaCongaLine and her being forced to spend the rest of her life on that same spit of land where her life had been a living hell apart from the aforementioned MIA crush -- the crush whose MIA status coupled with her body issues and her not receiving of a letter from Battler caused her to start to go slowly insane.]]]] As Chiru implies that [[spoiler:Sayo]] ended up dead from drowning (while Battler survived but lost his memories), it can be inferred that Battler [[spoiler:[[MyGreatestFailure feels guilty he couldn't reconcile with Sayo for all the crap he felt he put her through before she died.]]]]

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*** Now try watching the scene in episode 6 [[spoiler: right after Battler "imagines" the plate of cookies and Beato and everyone else joking around, then afterward when the "illusions" disappear and only Battler and Beato are left standing there having a heartfelt talk about chick Beatrice. Beato says to think of her as her daughter, cue "Thank you for being born" RIGHT AT THAT MOMENT.]] Instant buckets of tears
*** Thank You For Being Born. Play it during any sad scene anywhere and you'll become a sobbing mess. Even the last preview for the anime manages to do so with this.

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*** Now try watching the scene in episode 6 [[spoiler: right after Battler "imagines" the plate of cookies and Beato and everyone else joking around, then afterward when the "illusions" disappear and only Battler and Beato are left standing there having a heartfelt talk about chick Beatrice. Beato says to think of her as her daughter, cue "Thank you You for being born" Being Born" RIGHT AT THAT MOMENT.]] Instant buckets of tears
*** Thank "Thank You For Being Born. Born." Play it during any sad scene anywhere and you'll become a sobbing mess. Even the last preview for the anime manages to do so with this.
*** Even its title alone is a tear-jerker, as it reflects [[spoiler: Sayo's deepest insecurity, how as the product of a father raping his own daughter she feels as though she has no right to have ever been born. But Battler, Jessica, George and Maria all beg to differ.]]
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** The worst part is [[spoiler: Battler is clearly conflicted about fighting Beatrice due to his currently unrealized feelings for her, and so Beatrice keeps trying to make it easier for him by putting on the crazed, cackling villain act. And it ''always works'', which only hurts Beatrice further - if it's that easy to make Battler [[ThisIsUnforgivable enraged at her and hate her completely]], then there's little hope that he will ever recognize the truth about Beatrice and what her real feelings toward him are.]]

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** The worst part is [[spoiler: Battler is clearly conflicted about fighting Beatrice due to his currently unrealized feelings for her, and so Beatrice keeps trying to make it easier for him by putting on the crazed, cackling villain act. And it ''always works'', which only hurts Beatrice further - if it's that easy to make Battler [[ThisIsUnforgivable enraged at her and hate her completely]], then there's little hope that he will ever recognize the truth about Beatrice Beatrice, why she's put him through everything that she has, and what her real feelings toward him are.]]

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* In Chiru, [[spoiler: Beatrice's death.]] With the Character Development in that arc, it really is hard when [[spoiler: she dies.]]

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** The worst part is [[spoiler: Battler is clearly conflicted about fighting Beatrice due to his currently unrealized feelings for her, and so Beatrice keeps trying to make it easier for him by putting on the crazed, cackling villain act. And it ''always works'', which only hurts Beatrice further - if it's that easy to make Battler [[ThisIsUnforgivable enraged at her and hate her completely]], then there's little hope that he will ever recognize the truth about Beatrice and what her real feelings toward him are.]]
* In Chiru, [[spoiler: Beatrice's death.]] With the Character Development CharacterDevelopment in that arc, it really is hard when [[spoiler: she dies.]]
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* A ''lot'' of moments in Episode 4 qualify. First, Ange's past and story is particularly painful to read through- especially when right after a scene in which we see Ange happily playing with the stakes and Maria, we are treated to a scene when she gets bullied by her classmates in such a painful way that is already heart-rending, but then she reaches her breaking point, and demands from the stakes to kill them- when they can't and try to explain, she [[spoiler:denies them all and kills them, and Sakutaro the witch Maria as well - meaning, her only friends. Then, after they all disappear, when she finally stands up and reads up the humiliating letter the bullies were coercing her into reading, she breaks down in the middle, and asks for someone to let her die - seeing this happen to IronWoobie ''Ange'', of all people, is really painful and sad.]] Second, the entire scene where Maria [[spoiler: kills Rosa]] really shows just how broken and tragic they both are in their own ways, in particular if we buy the interpretation that [[spoiler: it's Maria's dream; meaning, ''this is how Maria truly sees her mother''- nothing but an ugly, abusive monster. Or even worse, it's a shared dream between Maria and Rosa, which would also mean it's ''how Rosa sees herself deep down'' - that her own self-loathing is so bad that she truly believes she should suffer in such a gruesome way for eternity.]].

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* A ''lot'' of moments in Episode 4 qualify. First, Ange's past and story is particularly painful to read through- especially when right after a scene in which we see Ange happily playing with the stakes and Maria, we are treated to a scene when she gets bullied by her classmates in such a painful way that is already heart-rending, but then she reaches her breaking point, and demands from the stakes to kill them- when they can't and try to explain, she [[spoiler:denies them all and kills them, and Sakutaro the witch Maria as well - meaning, her only friends. Then, after they all disappear, when she finally stands up and reads up the humiliating letter the bullies were coercing her into reading, she breaks down in the middle, and asks for someone to let her die - seeing this happen to IronWoobie ''Ange'', of all people, is really painful and sad.]] Second, the entire scene where Maria [[spoiler: kills Rosa]] really shows just how broken and tragic they both are in their own ways, in particular if we buy the interpretation that [[spoiler: it's Maria's dream; meaning, ''this is how Maria truly sees her mother''- nothing but an ugly, abusive monster. Or even worse, it's a shared dream between Maria and Rosa, which would also mean it's ''how Rosa sees herself deep down'' - that her own self-loathing is so bad that she truly believes she should suffer in such a gruesome way for eternity.]].eternity]].



** It's just as bad from Beatrice's perspective. She finally gets Battler to see her as she wants him to see her[[spoiler:...then throws it all away in order to make him reach the truth]]. Playing through the second time around, her pained facial expressions during her [[spoiler:FaceHeelTurn]] really sell the scene.

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** It's just as bad from Beatrice's perspective. She finally gets Battler to see her as she wants him to see her[[spoiler:...her and her happy ending is within reach[[spoiler:...then throws it all away in order to make him reach the truth]]. Playing through the second time around, her pained facial expressions during her [[spoiler:FaceHeelTurn]] really sell sells the scene.
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* EP 5: "Thank you, liar, goodbye... I'm sorry"
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** [[spoiler: In the manga version, adult Battler is SparedbyTheAdaptation as the part of his soul/brain that is the younger Battler Ushiromiya and has all of his memories just leaves his old, wheelchair-bound body and assimilates with Golden Sorcerer BATTLER, who is added to the scene. Still doesn't make the moment any less moving.]]

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** [[spoiler: In the manga version, adult Battler is SparedbyTheAdaptation SparedByTheAdaptation as the part of his soul/brain that is the younger Battler Ushiromiya and has all of his memories just leaves his old, wheelchair-bound body and assimilates with Golden Sorcerer BATTLER, who is added to the scene. Still doesn't make the moment any less moving.]]
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* The First Twilight in EP 1. [[spoiler:Jessica finding her father and Battler finding both of his parents dead]] were bad enough, but. . . [[spoiler:''SHANNON!'']].

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* The First Twilight in EP 1. [[spoiler:Jessica finding her father and Battler finding both of his parents dead]] were bad enough, but. . . [[spoiler:''SHANNON!'']]. [[spoiler:''SHANNON!'']]
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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juEkoLXXoxo The fanmade version of it]] does an excellent job of turning the scene into the Tear Jerker it really is.
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* A ''lot'' of moments in Episode 4 qualify. First, Ange's past and story is particularly painful to read through- especially when right after a scene in which we see Ange happily playing with the stakes and Maria, we are treated to a scene when she gets bullied by her classmates in such a painful way that is already heart-rending, but then she reaches her breaking point, and demands from the stakes to kill them- when they can't and try to explain, she [[spoiler:denies them all and kills them, and Sakutaro the witch Maria as well - meaning, her only friends. Then, after they all disappear, when she finally stands up and reads up the humiliating letter the bullies were coercing her into reading, she breaks down in the middle, and asks for someone to let her die - seeing this happen to IronWoobie ''Ange'', of all people, is really painful and sad.]] Second, the entire scene where Maria [[spoiler: kills Rosa]] really shows just how broken and tragic they both are in their own ways, in particular if we buy the interpretation that [[spoiler: it's Maria's dream; meaning, ''this is how Maria truly sees her mother''- nothing but an ugly, abusive monster.]].

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* A ''lot'' of moments in Episode 4 qualify. First, Ange's past and story is particularly painful to read through- especially when right after a scene in which we see Ange happily playing with the stakes and Maria, we are treated to a scene when she gets bullied by her classmates in such a painful way that is already heart-rending, but then she reaches her breaking point, and demands from the stakes to kill them- when they can't and try to explain, she [[spoiler:denies them all and kills them, and Sakutaro the witch Maria as well - meaning, her only friends. Then, after they all disappear, when she finally stands up and reads up the humiliating letter the bullies were coercing her into reading, she breaks down in the middle, and asks for someone to let her die - seeing this happen to IronWoobie ''Ange'', of all people, is really painful and sad.]] Second, the entire scene where Maria [[spoiler: kills Rosa]] really shows just how broken and tragic they both are in their own ways, in particular if we buy the interpretation that [[spoiler: it's Maria's dream; meaning, ''this is how Maria truly sees her mother''- nothing but an ugly, abusive monster. Or even worse, it's a shared dream between Maria and Rosa, which would also mean it's ''how Rosa sees herself deep down'' - that her own self-loathing is so bad that she truly believes she should suffer in such a gruesome way for eternity.]].
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** [[spoiler: In the manga version, adult Battler is SparedbyTheAdaptation as the part of his soul/brain that is the younger Battler Ushiromiya and has all of his memories just leaves his old, wheelchair-bound body and assimilates with Golden Sorcerer BATTLER, who is added to the scene. Still doesn't make the moment any less moving.]]
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* After watching EP 7, this [[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/umineko_no_naku_koro_ni_episode_4_alliance_of_the_golden_witch/v04/c022/48.html part]] in EP 4 can be this in Hindsight.
* [[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/umineko_no_naku_koro_ni_episode_2_turn_of_the_golden_witch/c017/41.html This scene]] in EP 2.Your average TogetherInDeath scene, but preceded by a brutal moment when[[spoiler: Jessica wanted to know Kanon's true name, but she dies before he can tell.]]

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** Mega spoilers. Alternatively, remember that Twilight reveals that Umineko is [[spoiler:fan-fiction by Yasu for EP 1-2 and Battler deducing what happened on the island for EP 3-5.]] Chiru could also imply Battler, after his deductions, figured out [[spoiler:about the shitty situation Yasu was in with: her illness; her being bullied by the other servants and the orphans from Fukuin; her body image issues; her best friend and crush leaving the island with little hope of returning after he promised (kinda) they'd spend the rest of their lives together; her being the new headship of the Ushiromiya family (which she inherited from her (Grand)father); her finding out that her Father is also her Grandpappy and employer (including the fact that the incest only made her feel worse); [[TraumaCongaLine and her being forced to spend the rest of her life on that same spit of land where her life had been a living hell apart from the aforementioned MIA crush--the crush whose MIA status coupled with her body issues and her not receiving of a letter from Battler caused her to start to go slowly insane.]]]] As Chiru implies that [[spoiler:Sayo]] ended up dead somehow, whether through their [[DriventoSuicide own actions,]] [[AccidentalMurder or]] [[KillEmAll others',]] it can be inferred that Battler [[spoiler:[[MyGreatestFailure feels guilty he couldn't reconcile with Sayo for all the crap he felt he put her before she died.]]]]

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** Mega spoilers. Alternatively, remember that Twilight reveals that Umineko is [[spoiler:fan-fiction by Yasu for EP 1-2 and Battler deducing what happened on the island for EP 3-5.]] Chiru could also imply Battler, after his deductions, figured out [[spoiler:about the shitty situation Yasu was in with: her illness; her being bullied by the other servants and the orphans from Fukuin; her body image issues; her best friend and crush leaving the island with little hope of returning after he promised (kinda) they'd spend the rest of their lives together; her being the new headship of the Ushiromiya family (which she inherited from her (Grand)father); her finding out that her Father is also her Grandpappy and employer (including the fact that the incest only made her feel worse); [[TraumaCongaLine and her being forced to spend the rest of her life on that same spit of land where her life had been a living hell apart from the aforementioned MIA crush--the crush -- the crush whose MIA status coupled with her body issues and her not receiving of a letter from Battler caused her to start to go slowly insane.]]]] As Chiru implies that [[spoiler:Sayo]] ended up dead somehow, whether through their [[DriventoSuicide own actions,]] [[AccidentalMurder or]] [[KillEmAll others',]] from drowning (while Battler survived but lost his memories), it can be inferred that Battler [[spoiler:[[MyGreatestFailure feels guilty he couldn't reconcile with Sayo for all the crap he felt he put her before she died.]]]]



* EP 5: [[spoiler: How could you kill mama?!!]] I couldn't get past that line for at least 5 minutes.

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