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* A lot of the little things that the player can do really add to the experience and show how well the game was designed, but many of these things can be really depressing. The first level in Ethan's new house is probably one of the worst though. In addition to possibly treating Shaun badly (such as not reminding him to do his homework or sending him to bed without his teddy bear) the player can explore the house and find things such as an old video recording from before Jason died (viewing it causes Ethan to cry) and a drawing on Shaun's desk of the day his brother died, showing that even two years later the event still had a major impact on him.
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* Grace asks Ethan if losing Jason wasn't enough after he reports Shaun missing. She quickly apologizes, but you can see how hurt he is over it.
* A lot of the little things that the player can do really add to the experience and show how well the game was designed, but many of these things can be really depressing. The first level in Ethan's new house is probably one of theworst though. In worst: in addition to possibly treating Shaun badly (such badly, such as not reminding him to do his homework or sending him to bed without his teddy bear) bear, the player can explore the house and find things such as an old video recording from before Jason died (viewing it causes Ethan to cry) and a drawing on Shaun's desk of the day his brother died, showing that even died. Even two years later later, the event still had a major impact on him.both of them.
* A lot of the little things that the player can do really add to the experience and show how well the game was designed, but many of these things can be really depressing. The first level in Ethan's new house is probably one of the
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** The first chapter is a slow, plodding piece about a birthday party. Ethan plays with his kids, designs a house, all that stuff (albeit with a very depressing, introspective piece of music playing in the background, giving the whole chapter an ominous tone). Then the second chapter starts with [[MemeticMutation JAYSOOOOON!]] disappearing in a mall, only to be run over by a car right after Ethan finds him. The next chapter is two years later, with Ethan a despondent wreck, Shaun almost totally unresponsive, and the entire world going from bright and happy to grim and crumbling. A very effective use of MoodWhiplash.
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** The first chapter is a slow, plodding piece about a birthday party. Ethan plays with his kids, designs a house, all that stuff (albeit with a very depressing, introspective piece of music playing in the background, giving the whole chapter an ominous tone). Then the second chapter starts with [[MemeticMutation JAYSOOOOON!]] Jason disappearing in a mall, only to be run over by a car right after Ethan finds him. The next chapter is two years later, with Ethan a despondent wreck, Shaun almost totally unresponsive, and the entire world going from bright and happy to grim and crumbling. A very effective use of MoodWhiplash.
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** You'll need two tissue boxes while playing as Scott Shelby burning up the evidence from the case. One to be [[ShockingSwerve thrown at the television in rage]], the other to [[PlayerPunch mop up your slobbering face.]] Yes, that means you need to do the [=QTEs=] with your toes.
*** Making it worse is Scott's reaction while doing the whole thing. He's not smug or triumphant at the fact that he won't be caught, he just has a quiet and somber expression. It could have been so easy to make Scott the most despicable character post reveal. But no, Scott isn't at all happy with what he's done, if anything he just appears miserable.
*** Making it worse is Scott's reaction while doing the whole thing. He's not smug or triumphant at the fact that he won't be caught, he just has a quiet and somber expression. It could have been so easy to make Scott the most despicable character post reveal. But no, Scott isn't at all happy with what he's done, if anything he just appears miserable.
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** You'll need two tissue boxes tissues while playing as Scott Shelby burning up the evidence from the case. One to be [[ShockingSwerve thrown at the television in rage]], the other to [[PlayerPunch mop up your slobbering face.]] Yes, that means you need to do the [=QTEs=] with your toes.
***Making it worse is Scott's reaction while doing the whole thing. He's not smug or triumphant at the fact that he won't be caught, he just has a quiet and somber expression. It could have been so easy to make Scott the most despicable character post reveal. But no, Scott isn't at all happy with what he's done, if anything he just appears miserable.
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** In an early version of the game, Ethan made the origami figures because of a [[PsychicLink psychic connection]] to Scott, which caused him to black out and create the figures when Scott would kidnap a victim and/or when the victim died. When he blacked out, Ethan would experience a vision of the most recent victim. Looking at the ending with this concept in mind arguably makes it even worse: judging by the number of origami figures, Scott took several more victims after Ethan was convicted, and all the latter could do was sit in his cell, tormented by visions of the helpless victims.
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** In an early version of the game, story, Ethan made the origami figures because of a [[PsychicLink psychic connection]] to Scott, which caused him to black out and create the figures when Scott would kidnap a victim and/or when the victim died. When he blacked out, Ethan would experience a vision of the most recent victim. Looking at the ending with this concept in mind arguably makes it even worse: judging by the number of origami figures, Scott took several more victims after Ethan was convicted, and all the latter could do was sit in his cell, tormented by visions of the helpless victims.
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** In an early version of the game, Ethan made the origami figures because of a [[PsychicLink psychic connection]] to Scott, which caused him to black out and create the figures when Scott would claim a victim and/or when the victim died. When he blacked out, Ethan would experience a vision of the most recent victim. Looking at the ending with this concept in mind arguably makes it even worse: judging by the number of origami figures, Scott took several more victims after Ethan was convicted, and all the latter could do was sit in his cell, tormented by visions of the helpless victims.
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** In an early version of the game, Ethan made the origami figures because of a [[PsychicLink psychic connection]] to Scott, which caused him to black out and create the figures when Scott would claim kidnap a victim and/or when the victim died. When he blacked out, Ethan would experience a vision of the most recent victim. Looking at the ending with this concept in mind arguably makes it even worse: judging by the number of origami figures, Scott took several more victims after Ethan was convicted, and all the latter could do was sit in his cell, tormented by visions of the helpless victims.
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*** Making it worse is Scott's reaction while doing the whole thing. He's not smug or triumphant at the fact that he won't be caught, he just has a quiet and somber expression. It could have been so easy to make Scott the most despicable character post reveal. But no, Scott isn't at all happy with what he's done, if anything he just appears miserable.
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* If Norman fails to solve the final puzzle of the Origami Killer's identity, you're subjected to a scene in which Norman dies from ARI overuse. The sight of him frantically waving his arms back and forth in an attempt to cycle through the evidence and find the answers that will save Shaun's life - even as he slowly chokes to death - somehow manages to come across as both horrific and saddening. The final shot of him slumped over his desk with the ARI world storming on around him is even worse. The final cherry on the depression sundae arrives in the form of the {{Leitmotif}} playing: it's essentially the same piece of music that plays whenever one of the player characters die, but it's not loud and blaring like the usual examples; if anything, it just sounds low and despairing.
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** If Norman fails to solve the final puzzle of the Origami Killer's identity, you're subjected to a scene in which Norman dies from ARI overuse. The sight of him frantically waving his arms back and forth in an attempt to cycle through the evidence and find the answers that will save Shaun's life - even as he slowly chokes to death - somehow manages to come across as both horrific and saddening. The final shot of him slumped over his desk with the ARI world storming on around him is even worse. The final cherry on the depression sundae arrives in the form of the {{Leitmotif}} playing: it's essentially the same piece of music that plays whenever one of the player characters die, but it's not loud and blaring like the usual examples; if anything, it just sounds low anddespairing.despairing.
** Alternatively, if he realizes that he can't solve the puzzle and gives up, he sounds so defeated...
--> ''"I can't go on..."''
** If Norman fails to solve the final puzzle of the Origami Killer's identity, you're subjected to a scene in which Norman dies from ARI overuse. The sight of him frantically waving his arms back and forth in an attempt to cycle through the evidence and find the answers that will save Shaun's life - even as he slowly chokes to death - somehow manages to come across as both horrific and saddening. The final shot of him slumped over his desk with the ARI world storming on around him is even worse. The final cherry on the depression sundae arrives in the form of the {{Leitmotif}} playing: it's essentially the same piece of music that plays whenever one of the player characters die, but it's not loud and blaring like the usual examples; if anything, it just sounds low and
** Alternatively, if he realizes that he can't solve the puzzle and gives up, he sounds so defeated...
--> ''"I can't go on..."''
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** The first chapter is a slow, plodding piece about a birthday party. Ethan plays with his kids, designs a house, all that stuff (albeit with a very depressing, introspective piece of music playing in the background, giving the whole chapter an ominous tone). Then the second chapter starts with [[MemeticMutation JAYSOOOOON!]] disappearing in a mall, [[spoiler: only to be run over by a car right after Ethan finds him.]] The next chapter is two years later, with Ethan a despondent wreck, Shaun almost totally unresponsive, and the entire world going from bright and happy to grim and crumbling. A very effective use of MoodWhiplash.
** The BadEnding. [[CaptainObvious (Duh.)]] [[spoiler: If you get the worst possible ending, then all the protagonists are dead, Shaun dies, anyone that could tell the killer's identity dies, and the Origami Killer is free to strike again. [[ShootTheShaggyDog Even worse if Ethan survived everything; not only does his son almost die in front of him, but he gets gunned down in a police ambush immediately after]]]].
*** The bright side to that is [[spoiler:if Norman is alive, Lt. Blake, the one who shot Ethan, will be suspended.]]
*** And in the endings where [[spoiler:Shaun is killed]], it's the point where [[spoiler:Ethan]] crosses the DespairEventHorizon, leading to one of three tragic endings where [[spoiler:Ethan is DrivenToSuicide]]; where [[spoiler:he shoots himself in his hotel room]], [[spoiler:hangs himself in jail after being caught and tried as the killer]], or [[spoiler:if he forgave Madison, ''shoots himself in front of Shaun's grave as Madison begs him not to'']].
** You'll need two tissue boxes while [[spoiler: playing as Scott Shelby burning up the evidence from the case.]] One to be [[ShockingSwerve thrown at the television in rage]], the other to [[PlayerPunch mop up your slobbering face.]] Yes, that means you need to do the [=QTEs=] with your toes.
** Related to the above, "I feel nothing but contempt for you, [[spoiler:Scott]]. Nothing but contempt." Turns someone who's already queen of the Woobies into an even bigger one.
** The scene where Madison visits [[spoiler:Ann Sheppard]] in hospital. Watching this frail, desperately lonely old lady attempting to remember details about her past is just incredibly sad.
*** Especially when she gets to remembering about her son, and how she couldn't visit him after she got sick. "He must have thought I didn't love him anymore..."
* The absolute worst. Maybe it's the way it was delivered, maybe it was the circumstances that lead to it, but it's devastating: [[spoiler: "Don't forget about me Scotty..."]]
** Throw in a hearty helping of ControllableHelplessness, and welcome yourself to HeroicBSOD, friend.
** [[spoiler:Young Scott Shelby desperately begging his dad to come help pull his twin, John, out of a pipe that is ''slooowly'' filling with water. The drunk loser can't even be bothered to get up out of his lawn chair. And do remember that the reason Scott and John were playing in a construction site is because said drunk loser threw them out of the house.]]
* If Norman fails to solve the final puzzle of the Origami Killer's identity, you're subjected to a scene in which [[spoiler: Norman dies from ARI overuse. The sight of him frantically waving his arms back and forth in an attempt to cycle through the evidence and find the answers that will save Shaun's life - even as he slowly chokes to death - somehow manages to come across as both horrific and saddening. The final shot of him slumped over his desk with the ARI world storming on around him is even worse. The final cherry on the depression sundae arrives in the form of the {{Leitmotif}} playing: it's essentially the same piece of music that plays whenever one of the player characters die, but it's not loud and blaring like the usual examples; if anything, it just sounds low and despairing.]]
** Actually, a LOT of Norman's endings are Tear Jerkers--in fact, [[spoiler: the happiest endings that Norman can possibly receive are [[BittersweetEnding bittersweet at best]]]]. If [[spoiler: the player fails all the QTE's and Scott shoots him]], he gets this LOOK on his face that just says "well, this is it. And [[ThisIsGonnaSuck it's going to suck]]." Water Works are a-go.
** The BadEnding. [[CaptainObvious (Duh.)]] [[spoiler: If you get the worst possible ending, then all the protagonists are dead, Shaun dies, anyone that could tell the killer's identity dies, and the Origami Killer is free to strike again. [[ShootTheShaggyDog Even worse if Ethan survived everything; not only does his son almost die in front of him, but he gets gunned down in a police ambush immediately after]]]].
*** The bright side to that is [[spoiler:if Norman is alive, Lt. Blake, the one who shot Ethan, will be suspended.]]
*** And in the endings where [[spoiler:Shaun is killed]], it's the point where [[spoiler:Ethan]] crosses the DespairEventHorizon, leading to one of three tragic endings where [[spoiler:Ethan is DrivenToSuicide]]; where [[spoiler:he shoots himself in his hotel room]], [[spoiler:hangs himself in jail after being caught and tried as the killer]], or [[spoiler:if he forgave Madison, ''shoots himself in front of Shaun's grave as Madison begs him not to'']].
** You'll need two tissue boxes while [[spoiler: playing as Scott Shelby burning up the evidence from the case.]] One to be [[ShockingSwerve thrown at the television in rage]], the other to [[PlayerPunch mop up your slobbering face.]] Yes, that means you need to do the [=QTEs=] with your toes.
** Related to the above, "I feel nothing but contempt for you, [[spoiler:Scott]]. Nothing but contempt." Turns someone who's already queen of the Woobies into an even bigger one.
** The scene where Madison visits [[spoiler:Ann Sheppard]] in hospital. Watching this frail, desperately lonely old lady attempting to remember details about her past is just incredibly sad.
*** Especially when she gets to remembering about her son, and how she couldn't visit him after she got sick. "He must have thought I didn't love him anymore..."
* The absolute worst. Maybe it's the way it was delivered, maybe it was the circumstances that lead to it, but it's devastating: [[spoiler: "Don't forget about me Scotty..."]]
** Throw in a hearty helping of ControllableHelplessness, and welcome yourself to HeroicBSOD, friend.
** [[spoiler:Young Scott Shelby desperately begging his dad to come help pull his twin, John, out of a pipe that is ''slooowly'' filling with water. The drunk loser can't even be bothered to get up out of his lawn chair. And do remember that the reason Scott and John were playing in a construction site is because said drunk loser threw them out of the house.]]
* If Norman fails to solve the final puzzle of the Origami Killer's identity, you're subjected to a scene in which [[spoiler: Norman dies from ARI overuse. The sight of him frantically waving his arms back and forth in an attempt to cycle through the evidence and find the answers that will save Shaun's life - even as he slowly chokes to death - somehow manages to come across as both horrific and saddening. The final shot of him slumped over his desk with the ARI world storming on around him is even worse. The final cherry on the depression sundae arrives in the form of the {{Leitmotif}} playing: it's essentially the same piece of music that plays whenever one of the player characters die, but it's not loud and blaring like the usual examples; if anything, it just sounds low and despairing.]]
** Actually, a LOT of Norman's endings are Tear Jerkers--in fact, [[spoiler: the happiest endings that Norman can possibly receive are [[BittersweetEnding bittersweet at best]]]]. If [[spoiler: the player fails all the QTE's and Scott shoots him]], he gets this LOOK on his face that just says "well, this is it. And [[ThisIsGonnaSuck it's going to suck]]." Water Works are a-go.
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** The first chapter is a slow, plodding piece about a birthday party. Ethan plays with his kids, designs a house, all that stuff (albeit with a very depressing, introspective piece of music playing in the background, giving the whole chapter an ominous tone). Then the second chapter starts with [[MemeticMutation JAYSOOOOON!]] disappearing in a mall, [[spoiler: only to be run over by a car right after Ethan finds him.]] him. The next chapter is two years later, with Ethan a despondent wreck, Shaun almost totally unresponsive, and the entire world going from bright and happy to grim and crumbling. A very effective use of MoodWhiplash.
** The BadEnding.[[CaptainObvious (Duh.)]] [[spoiler: If you get the worst possible ending, then all the protagonists are dead, Shaun dies, anyone that could tell the killer's identity dies, and the Origami Killer is free to strike again. [[ShootTheShaggyDog Even worse if Ethan survived everything; not only does his son almost die in front of him, but he gets gunned down in a police ambush immediately after]]]].
***after]]. The bright side to that is [[spoiler:if if Norman is alive, Lt. Blake, the one who shot Ethan, will be suspended.]]
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** And in the endings where[[spoiler:Shaun Shaun is killed]], killed, it's the point where [[spoiler:Ethan]] Ethan crosses the DespairEventHorizon, leading to one of three tragic endings where [[spoiler:Ethan Ethan is DrivenToSuicide]]; DrivenToSuicide; where [[spoiler:he he shoots himself in his hotel room]], [[spoiler:hangs room, hangs himself in jail after being caught and tried as the killer]], killer, or [[spoiler:if if he forgave Madison, ''shoots himself in front of Shaun's grave as Madison begs him not to'']].
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** You'll need two tissue boxes while[[spoiler: playing as Scott Shelby burning up the evidence from the case.]] case. One to be [[ShockingSwerve thrown at the television in rage]], the other to [[PlayerPunch mop up your slobbering face.]] Yes, that means you need to do the [=QTEs=] with your toes.
** Related to the above, "I feel nothing but contempt for you,[[spoiler:Scott]].Scott. Nothing but contempt." Turns someone who's already queen of the Woobies into an even bigger one.
** The scene where Madison visits[[spoiler:Ann Sheppard]] Ann Sheppard in hospital. Watching this frail, desperately lonely old lady attempting to remember details about her past is just incredibly sad.
***sad. Especially when she gets to remembering about her son, and how she couldn't visit him after she got sick. "He must have thought I didn't love him anymore..."
* The absolute worst. Maybe it's the way it was delivered, maybe it was the circumstances that lead to it, but it's devastating:[[spoiler: "Don't forget about me Scotty..."]]
**" Throw in a hearty helping of ControllableHelplessness, and welcome yourself to HeroicBSOD, friend.
** [[spoiler:Youngfriend. Young Scott Shelby desperately begging his dad to come help pull his twin, John, out of a pipe that is ''slooowly'' filling with water. The drunk loser can't even be bothered to get up out of his lawn chair. And do remember that the reason Scott and John were playing in a construction site is because said drunk loser threw them out of the house.]]
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* If Norman fails to solve the final puzzle of the Origami Killer's identity, you're subjected to a scene in which[[spoiler: Norman dies from ARI overuse. The sight of him frantically waving his arms back and forth in an attempt to cycle through the evidence and find the answers that will save Shaun's life - even as he slowly chokes to death - somehow manages to come across as both horrific and saddening. The final shot of him slumped over his desk with the ARI world storming on around him is even worse. The final cherry on the depression sundae arrives in the form of the {{Leitmotif}} playing: it's essentially the same piece of music that plays whenever one of the player characters die, but it's not loud and blaring like the usual examples; if anything, it just sounds low and despairing.]]
** Actually, a LOT of Norman's endings are Tear Jerkers--in fact, [[spoiler: the happiest endings that Norman can possibly receive are [[BittersweetEnding bittersweet at best]]]]. If [[spoiler: the player fails all the QTE's and Scott shoots him]], he gets this LOOK on his face that just says "well, this is it. And [[ThisIsGonnaSuck it's going to suck]]." Water Works are a-go.
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** Actually, a LOT of Norman's endings are Tear Jerkers--in fact, [[spoiler: the happiest endings that Norman can possibly receive are [[BittersweetEnding bittersweet at best]]]]. If [[spoiler: the player fails all the QTE's and Scott shoots him]], he gets this LOOK on his face that just says "well, this is it. And [[ThisIsGonnaSuck it's going to suck]]." Water Works are a-go.
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* The "Helpless" ending is both incredibly depressing and horrifying: [[spoiler: Ethan not only loses Shaun, but is arrested and framed as the Origami Killer. A guy who just wanted to save his son's life is now on death row for crimes he didn't commit while the real killer is still out there. Surrounded by dozens of origami figures and drowning in guilt, Ethan [[DrivenToSuicide ultimately hangs himself]]. The most haunting thing about the ending is the origami figures. Did Ethan make them? Did the families of the victims send them? [[KickTheDog Or did Scott decide to rub his victory in?]]]]
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* The "Helpless" ending is both incredibly depressing and horrifying: [[spoiler: Ethan not only loses Shaun, but is arrested and framed as the Origami Killer. A guy who just wanted to save his son's life is now on death row for crimes he didn't commit while the real killer is still out there. Surrounded by dozens of origami figures and drowning in guilt, Ethan [[DrivenToSuicide ultimately hangs himself]]. The most haunting thing about the ending is the origami figures. Did Ethan make them? Did the families of the victims send them? [[KickTheDog Or did Scott decide to torture him a little more just to rub it in?]]]]
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** Related to the above, "I feel nothing but contempt for you, [[spoiler:Scott]]. Nothing but contempt." Turns someone who's already queen of the Woobies into an even bigger one. All the worse if, like me, you played through the first time [[spoiler:making Scott the nicest guy possible and shipping him with Lauren.]] Augh, that PlayerPunch...
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** Related to the above, "I feel nothing but contempt for you, [[spoiler:Scott]]. Nothing but contempt." Turns someone who's already queen of the Woobies into an even bigger one. All the worse if, like me, you played through the first time [[spoiler:making Scott the nicest guy possible and shipping him with Lauren.]] Augh, that PlayerPunch...
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** The BadEnding. [[CaptainObvious (Duh.)]] [[spoiler: If you get the worst possible ending, then all the protagonists are dead, Shaun dies, anyone that could tell the killer's identity dies, and the Origami Killer is free to strike again. [[ShootTheShaggyDog Even worse if Ethan survived everything; not only does his son almost dies in front of him, but he gets gunned down in a police ambush immediately after]]]].
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** The BadEnding. [[CaptainObvious (Duh.)]] [[spoiler: If you get the worst possible ending, then all the protagonists are dead, Shaun dies, anyone that could tell the killer's identity dies, and the Origami Killer is free to strike again. [[ShootTheShaggyDog Even worse if Ethan survived everything; not only does his son almost dies die in front of him, but he gets gunned down in a police ambush immediately after]]]].
