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** Doesn't help that the main cast (sans Lucifer and a begrudgingly reluctant Husk) have actually come to genuinely ''care'' about Alastor as in they, while building the new hotel even gave him a brand new radio studio to work in and engage a group hug with him when he reappeared again for the re-opening, with even ''Vaggie'' joining in with a smile over seeing him unharmed. He have gotten genuine friends within the Hazbin-crew and yet, he is so scared over coming off as "weak" over that fact that he rather doubles down on his ambitions and deny any notion of his own growing humanity to keep his own mental well-being together.

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** Doesn't help that the main cast (sans Lucifer and a begrudgingly reluctant Husk) have actually come to genuinely ''care'' about Alastor as in they, while building the new hotel even gave him a brand new brand-new radio studio to work in and engage a group hug with him when he reappeared again for the re-opening, with even ''Vaggie'' joining in with a smile over seeing him unharmed. He have has gotten genuine friends within the Hazbin-crew and yet, he is so scared over coming off as "weak" over that fact that he rather doubles down on his ambitions and deny any notion of his own growing humanity to keep his own mental well-being together.



* Emily's general lack of presence in the finale is a sad detail in itself. Despite her horror at the exterminations and promising Charlie that she'd figure out someway to help her, in the end it appears she wasn't able to do anything at all. Before Sir Pentious appears (thus vindicating both Charlie and Emily), Emily is shown dejectedly lying down on a table in apparent silence with Sera sitting next to the door. The implication being that Sera was able to successfully prevent Emily from doing anything about the exterminations, and/or that Emily was worried about the potential consequences of going behind Heaven's back.

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* Emily's general lack of presence in the finale is a sad detail in itself. Despite her horror at the exterminations and promising Charlie that she'd figure out someway some way to help her, in the end it appears she wasn't able to do anything at all. Before Sir Pentious appears (thus vindicating both Charlie and Emily), Emily is shown dejectedly lying down on a table in apparent silence with Sera sitting next to the door. The implication being that Sera was able to successfully prevent Emily from doing anything about the exterminations, and/or that Emily was worried about the potential consequences of going behind Heaven's back.



** However it may be that Lilith couldn't respond to her daughter because she might have revealed where she was accidentally or Adam was keeping an eye on her because he didn't want Charlie to mislead her mother into leaving Paradise (and largely himself from his ex-wife) and have a change of heart to support her daughter. It's still ambiguous from how you look at the last scene but Lilith could be in a GildedCage for all we know.

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** However However, it may be that Lilith couldn't respond to her daughter because she might have revealed where she was accidentally accidentally, or Adam was keeping an eye on her because he didn't want Charlie to mislead her mother into leaving Paradise (and largely himself from his ex-wife) and have a change of heart to support her daughter. It's still ambiguous from how you look at the last scene scene, but Lilith could be in a GildedCage for all we know.



** A lot of the lyrics are this, namely when Charlie asks "Why have I always been a failure?" with the shadowy figure of her father Lucifer coming up behind her. Tying into the moment below, it's clear that Charlie thinks she's not as important or strong like Lucifer and always stuck in his shadow.

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** A lot of the lyrics are this, namely when Charlie asks asks, "Why have I always been a failure?" with the shadowy figure of her father Lucifer coming up behind her. Tying into the moment below, it's clear that Charlie thinks she's not as important or strong like Lucifer and always stuck in his shadow.



** Angel tries to crack another joke to Charlie about the hotel being empty, but instead of being met with anger like he would with Vaggie, she just sits in quiet sadness and looks at the floor. Angel feels so guilty he actually starts to apologize, but can't bring himself to.

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** Angel tries to crack another joke to Charlie about the hotel being empty, but instead of being met with anger like he would with Vaggie, she just sits in quiet sadness and looks at the floor. Angel feels so guilty he actually starts to apologize, apologize but can't bring himself to.



** At the start of the message, Charlie says she called often and Lilith must be busy. Poor girl has been craving advice and her mother to listen to her, but she doesn't get it.

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** At the start of the message, Charlie says she called often often, and Lilith must be busy. Poor girl has been craving advice and her mother to listen to her, but she doesn't get it.
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* We are given a stark reminder of just how horrible Husk's servitude to Alastor is. When Husk offhandedly mentions that he knows that Alastor contracted his own soul to someone else, Alastor becomes [[OocIsSeriousBusiness uncharacteristically furious]] and threatens to [[FateWorseThanDeath tear Husk's soul apart and broadcast his screams for all to hear]] if he ''ever'' says that again. By the end of the encounter, Husk is a shivering, terrified wreck, and Alastor couldn't care less.

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* We are given a stark reminder of just how horrible Husk's servitude to Alastor is. When Husk offhandedly mentions that he knows that Alastor contracted his own soul to someone else, Alastor becomes [[OocIsSeriousBusiness [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness uncharacteristically furious]] and threatens to [[FateWorseThanDeath tear Husk's soul apart and broadcast his screams for all to hear]] if he ''ever'' says that again. By the end of the encounter, Husk is a shivering, terrified wreck, and Alastor couldn't care less.

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** The brush off itself is hard to watch - Normally, Charlie welcomes and seeks Vaggie's comfort and advice but this time? She ''rebuffs'' it with a scowl. One can infer from the couple's main conflict and Charlie's scowl that the Princess must be thinking something along these lines - ''"You want to talk? Maybe you should've done that with me."''


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** When Vaggie gently grabs Charlie's shoulder to try and talk with the latter about what happened (being making a deal with Alastor), the Princess sports a scowl before angrily moving away from her girlfriend's touch. The brush off itself is hard to watch - Normally, Charlie welcomes and seeks Vaggie's comfort and advice but this time? She ''rebuffs'' it with a look of pure hurt. One can infer from the couple's main conflict and Charlie's scowl that the Princess must be thinking something along these lines - ''"You want to talk? Maybe you should've done that with me."''
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* The episode opens with Charlie crying in bed, unable to think of a way to turn things around. To recap, she failed to convince Heaven that sinners can be redeemed despite evidence staring them in the face, she just found out her girlfriend was previously an Exorcist and killed thousands of her people, the extermination is in a day, Adam has personally promised to start it by destroying the Hazbin Hotel first, and if she can't come up with a plan to stop him, all her friends will be brutally slaughtered and everything she worked for will be reduced to a smoking pile of ash. That's a ''heavy'' burden to bear.

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* The episode opens with Charlie crying in bed, unable to think of a way to turn things around. To recap, she failed to convince Heaven that sinners can be redeemed despite evidence staring them in the face, she just found out her girlfriend was previously an Exorcist and killed thousands of her people, the extermination is in a day, month, Adam has personally promised to start it by destroying the Hazbin Hotel first, and if she can't come up with a plan to stop him, all her friends will be brutally slaughtered and everything she worked for will be reduced to a smoking pile of ash. That's a ''heavy'' burden to bear.



** From the previous episode, Adam and Lute blackmail Vaggie into sabotaging Charlie's case if she wants her origins to still be a secret, which they reveal to the Princess out of petty spite. They presumed that Charlie would hate Vaggie for being an Exorcist Angel and Charlie's ThousandYardStare implied it worked. But as shown in this episode, Charlie isn't bothered by Vaggie's being an Exorcist Angel; she's hurt and angry over Vaggie ''lying'' about it. Even the other Hotel residents are blase about her true origins, at worst, making some crude jokes (and said jokes were more about her [[ACupAngst small breasts]] than her being an Angel). In other words, Vaggie would've had suffered ''no'' ostracization from her girlfriend or newfound friends; and if she has been truthful with Charlie from the start, their relationship wouldn't be strained, and Charlie may have not made her shady deal with Alastor in a MomentOfWeakness.

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** From the previous episode, Adam and Lute attempted to blackmail Vaggie into sabotaging Charlie's case if she wants them to to keep her true origins to still be a secret, which they reveal to the Princess out of petty spite. They presumed secret from her, Adam in particular claiming that Charlie would hate Vaggie for being an a former Exorcist Angel personally responsible for the deaths of thousands of Sinners, and believes it's true after seeing Charlie's ThousandYardStare implied it worked. once he reveals the truth out of pure petty spite. But as shown in this episode, Charlie isn't bothered by Vaggie's being an Exorcist Angel; Exorcist; she's hurt and angry over Vaggie ''lying'' about it. Even the other Hotel residents are blase blasé about her true origins, at worst, making some crude jokes (and said jokes were more about her [[ACupAngst small breasts]] than her being an Angel). In other words, Vaggie would've had suffered ''no'' ostracization from her girlfriend or newfound friends; and if she has been truthful with Charlie from the start, their relationship wouldn't be strained, and Charlie may have not made her shady deal with Alastor in a MomentOfWeakness.

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* An understated moment but during and after the battle, you can recognize some of the background cannibals from the previous episode's song dead.



* An understated moment but during and after the battle, you can recognize some of the background cannibals from the previous episode's song dead.
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* [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCTbmFrB4nA&ab_channel=BlackGryph0n This original song]] is sung by most of the original voice cast from the pilot episode, which acts as [[PassingTheTorch farewell from them as their roles were passed onto new voice actors]].

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* [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCTbmFrB4nA&ab_channel=BlackGryph0n This original song]] is sung by most of the original voice cast from the pilot episode, which acts as [[PassingTheTorch farewell from them as their roles were passed onto new voice actors]]. In particular is Charlie's verse.
-->'''Charlie''': If anyone out there can hear me, I have one last thing to say. Despite the unideal location, we hope you've enjoyed your stay, 'cause there was love and joy and laughter, it's not perfect but we tried...
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* The episode opens with Charlie crying in bed, unable to think of a way to turn things around. To recap, she failed to convince Heaven that sinners can be redeemed despite evidence staring them in the face, she just found out her girlfriend was previously an Exorcist and killed thousands of her people, the extermination is in a month, Adam has personally promised to start it by destroying the Hazbin Hotel first, and if she can't come up with a plan to stop him, all her friends will be brutally slaughtered and everything she worked for will be reduced to a smoking pile of ash. That's a ''heavy'' burden to bear.

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* The episode opens with Charlie crying in bed, unable to think of a way to turn things around. To recap, she failed to convince Heaven that sinners can be redeemed despite evidence staring them in the face, she just found out her girlfriend was previously an Exorcist and killed thousands of her people, the extermination is in a month, day, Adam has personally promised to start it by destroying the Hazbin Hotel first, and if she can't come up with a plan to stop him, all her friends will be brutally slaughtered and everything she worked for will be reduced to a smoking pile of ash. That's a ''heavy'' burden to bear.
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** After the court hearing Sera and Emily talk about the exterminations with Emily having every right to be angry at her, Sera tries to justify her actions by claiming that [[ImproperlyParanoid the sinners were uprising]] and how they need to focus on [[DirtyCoward saving their ''own'' souls]] rather than worry about the souls of demons. Showing that not only is Sera (and possibly the other top angels in the hierarchy) would rather keep themselves [[MoralMyopia safe and in a better position than to help the suffering of others]], but that Sera is so consumed with fear and paranoia of Hell that she likely [[BelievingTheirOwnLies convinced herself of the uprising too]] more likely trying to reassure herself rather than Emily when telling her to "let [Sara] worry about it".

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** After the court hearing Sera and Emily talk about the exterminations with Emily having every right to be angry at her, Sera tries to justify her actions by claiming that [[ImproperlyParanoid the sinners were uprising]] and how they need to focus on [[DirtyCoward saving their ''own'' souls]] rather than worry about the souls of demons. Showing that not only is Sera (and possibly the other top angels in the hierarchy) would rather keep themselves [[MoralMyopia safe and in a better position than to help the suffering of others]], but that Sera is so consumed with fear and paranoia of Hell that she likely [[BelievingTheirOwnLies convinced herself of the uprising too]] more likely trying to reassure herself rather than Emily when telling her to "let [Sara] [Sera] worry about it".



** Above all, Sara claimed the reason for keeping it all a secret from Emily was to make sure she wasn't burdened with the knowledge of her decision and so she wouldn't rebel against the system. Yet not only did her [[BrokenPedestal lying and genocidal treachery]] wind up [[SelfFulfillingProphecy causing Emily to rebel anyway]], but fractured if not destroyed their relationship [[HerOwnWorstEnemy because of her own delusions]], [[DirtyCoward cowardice of Hell]], LackOfEmpathy for Sinners, and CondescendingCompassion toward Emily when explaining why it was NecessarilyEvil, all of which gives Emily [[CallingTheOldManOut every right to be disgusted and feel betrayed]].

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** Above all, Sara Sera claimed the reason for keeping it all a secret from Emily was to make sure she wasn't burdened with the knowledge of her decision and so she wouldn't rebel against the system. Yet not only did her [[BrokenPedestal lying and genocidal treachery]] wind up [[SelfFulfillingProphecy causing Emily to rebel anyway]], but fractured if not destroyed their relationship [[HerOwnWorstEnemy because of her own delusions]], [[DirtyCoward cowardice of Hell]], LackOfEmpathy for Sinners, and CondescendingCompassion toward Emily when explaining why it was NecessarilyEvil, all of which gives Emily [[CallingTheOldManOut every right to be disgusted and feel betrayed]].
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** Not only that, the majority of Pentious' Egg Boiz were with him. And the ending shows that there's only one SoleSurvivor left and besides that none of the remaining Egg Boiz were seen with Pentious when he ascended to heaven, implying they are DeaderThanDead.

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** Not only that, the majority of Pentious' Egg Boiz were with him. And the ending shows that there's only one SoleSurvivor left and besides that none of the remaining Egg Boiz were seen with Pentious when he ascended to heaven, implying they are DeaderThanDead. What's even worse is WordOfGod reveals Pentious created the Egg Boiz (with the help of someone else), and with him gone, the final Egg Boi is truly the LastOfHisKind.
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-->'''Val:''' ''(smiles evilly)'' Good boy.
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They did care. The sad part is that Alastor refuses to acknowledge it to himself.


** Doesn't help that none of the main characters mentioned him even once after they won, Alastor, who helped defend the hotel and nearly lost his life, was forgotten by everyone as they sing a cheerful song while Alastor is left alone to slowly lose his mind for power. Even if they thought he'd been killed by Adam, the sadness in the song was focused on Sir Pentious's sacrifice.

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** Doesn't help that none of the main characters mentioned him even once after they won, Alastor, who helped defend the hotel cast (sans Lucifer and nearly lost his life, was forgotten by everyone as they sing a cheerful song while begrudgingly reluctant Husk) have actually come to genuinely ''care'' about Alastor as in they, while building the new hotel even gave him a brand new radio studio to work in and engage a group hug with him when he reappeared again for the re-opening, with even ''Vaggie'' joining in with a smile over seeing him unharmed. He have gotten genuine friends within the Hazbin-crew and yet, he is left alone to slowly lose so scared over coming off as "weak" over that fact that he rather doubles down on his mind for power. Even if they thought he'd been killed by Adam, the sadness in the song was focused on Sir Pentious's sacrifice.ambitions and deny any notion of his own growing humanity to keep his own mental well-being together.
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* An injured Alastor's section during the otherwise happy and uplifting end song as he crawls into his wrecked radio station - the Overlord’s brush with death at Adam’s hands has caused him to enter an honest-to-God ''nervous breakdown'', and we see him struggling to come to terms with the realization that he’s grown to care for the Hotel residents as friends, his fear of how the public would perceive him if they found out, and how his sheer desperation to free himself from the deal he’s trapped in (which he implies is limiting his full power) is driving him ''mad'', all [[StepfordSmiler with a smile on his face]]:

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* An injured Alastor's section during the otherwise happy and uplifting end song as he crawls into his wrecked radio station - the Overlord’s brush with death at Adam’s hands has caused him to enter an honest-to-God ''nervous breakdown'', and we see him struggling to come to terms with the realization that he’s grown to care for the Hotel residents as friends, his fear of how the public would perceive him if they found out, and how his sheer desperation to free himself from the deal he’s trapped in (which he implies is limiting his full power) is driving him ''mad'', all [[StepfordSmiler with a smile on his face]]:
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-->'''Lute:''' '''[[BigNo NOOOOO!]]''' (''Runs over to Adam's side'') '''Sir?! SIR!! [[PleaseDontLeaveMe Stay with me sir!]]''' (''Adam gives Lute [[GoOutWithASmile one last smile]] before passing on'') '''''ADAM!!'''''
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** As the parent of a little girl, the clear implication was that Emily had been crying uncontrollably.
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** From the previous episode, Adam and Lute blackmail Vaggie into sabotaging Charlie's case if she wants her origins to still be a secret; which they reveal to the Princess out of petty spite. They presumed that Charlie would hate Vaggie for being and Exorcist Angel and Charlie's ThousandYardStare implied it worked. But as shown in this episode, Charlie isn't bothered by Vaggie's being and Exorcist Angel; she's hurt and angry over Vaggie ''lying'' about it. Even the other Hotel residents are blase about her true origins, at worst, making some crude jokes (and said jokes were more about her [[ACupAngst small breasts]] than her being an Angel). In other words, Vaggie would've had suffered ''no'' ostracization from her girlfriend or newfound friends; and if she has been truthful with Charlie from the start, their relationship wouldn't be strained and Charlie may have not made her shady deal with Alastor in a MomentOfWeakness.

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** From the previous episode, Adam and Lute blackmail Vaggie into sabotaging Charlie's case if she wants her origins to still be a secret; secret, which they reveal to the Princess out of petty spite. They presumed that Charlie would hate Vaggie for being and an Exorcist Angel and Charlie's ThousandYardStare implied it worked. But as shown in this episode, Charlie isn't bothered by Vaggie's being and an Exorcist Angel; she's hurt and angry over Vaggie ''lying'' about it. Even the other Hotel residents are blase about her true origins, at worst, making some crude jokes (and said jokes were more about her [[ACupAngst small breasts]] than her being an Angel). In other words, Vaggie would've had suffered ''no'' ostracization from her girlfriend or newfound friends; and if she has been truthful with Charlie from the start, their relationship wouldn't be strained strained, and Charlie may have not made her shady deal with Alastor in a MomentOfWeakness.
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** Worsened by the point-of-view shots of Angel's angry DeathGlare and Val's gloating triumphant grin. While Charlie goes through several TheBadGuyWins moments as roadblocks throughout the series, this is perhaps the most brutally real and personal one.

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*** What makes Charlie's questions to Vaggie even more hurtful is how it appears that Charlie is questioning Vaggie's loyalty. She said out of hurt and was clearly referencing the secret-keeping, not Vaggie's origin, but it still hurts. Out of all of the Hotel occupants, in all of Hell (including her own father), Vaggie has been the most loyal and supportive of Charlie's seemingly delusional and pointless dreams, never once mocking or crushing any of them. But upon Vaggie's secrecy being revealed and never telling Charlie, the latter feels genuinely betrayed; and now, she's asking, again coming from a place of hurt, if she can trust Vaggie. And this is despite the fact that all Vaggie has done is be devotedly supportive and protective of Charlie and her aforementioned goals. Vaggie's hurt reaction, specifically from the first question, is hard to watch.
** Hell, even Charlie's anger at Vaggie is a subtle but important indicator of how ''pissed'' she is. When Charlie normally becomes angry it's expressive and emotional, including her more demonic form if she's particularly incensed. But here? Charlie's anger at Vaggie is ''still'' heavy and palpable but is replaced with coldness and iciness. It's as if Charlie is trying to emotionally distant herself from Vaggie. Compare her aloof demeanor to Vaggie and animated angry venting to Alastor, and you can see the difference.

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*** What makes Charlie's questions to Vaggie even more hurtful is how it appears that Charlie is questioning Vaggie's loyalty. She said out of hurt and was clearly referencing the secret-keeping, not Vaggie's origin, but it still hurts. Out of all of the Hotel occupants, in all of Hell (including her own father), Vaggie has been the most loyal and supportive of Charlie's seemingly delusional and pointless dreams, never once mocking or crushing any of them. But upon Vaggie's secrecy being revealed and never telling Charlie, the latter feels genuinely betrayed; and now, she's asking, again coming from a place of hurt, if she can trust Vaggie. And this is despite the fact that all Vaggie has done is be been nothing but devotedly supportive and protective of Charlie and her aforementioned goals. Vaggie's hurt reaction, specifically from the first question, is hard to watch.
** Hell, even Charlie's anger at Vaggie is a subtle but important indicator of how ''pissed'' she is. When Charlie normally becomes angry it's expressive and emotional, including her more demonic form if she's particularly incensed. But here? Charlie's anger at Vaggie is ''still'' heavy and palpable but is replaced with coldness and iciness. It's as if Charlie is trying to emotionally distant herself from Vaggie. Compare Just compare her aloof demeanor to Vaggie and animated angry venting to Alastor, and you can see the difference.


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** From the previous episode, Adam and Lute blackmail Vaggie into sabotaging Charlie's case if she wants her origins to still be a secret; which they reveal to the Princess out of petty spite. They presumed that Charlie would hate Vaggie for being and Exorcist Angel and Charlie's ThousandYardStare implied it worked. But as shown in this episode, Charlie isn't bothered by Vaggie's being and Exorcist Angel; she's hurt and angry over Vaggie ''lying'' about it. Even the other Hotel residents are blase about her true origins, at worst, making some crude jokes (and said jokes were more about her [[ACupAngst small breasts]] than her being an Angel). In other words, Vaggie would've had suffered ''no'' ostracization from her girlfriend or newfound friends; and if she has been truthful with Charlie from the start, their relationship wouldn't be strained and Charlie may have not made her shady deal with Alastor in a MomentOfWeakness.

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** While Charlie stopping Vaggie from attacking Alastor is a heartwarming gesture that the Princess doesn't want her girlfriend to get hurt, said Princess' next expressions become less so - After clearing up what happened, Charlie's look of concern goes to one of quiet anger and hurt - her eyes narrow, she folds her arms, and looks toward her girlfriend with no warmth or any expressive emotion. Only stoic TranquilFury.

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** While Charlie stopping Vaggie from attacking Alastor is a heartwarming gesture that the Princess doesn't want her girlfriend to get hurt, said Princess' next expressions become less so sweet - After clearing up what happened, Charlie's look of concern goes to one of quiet anger and hurt - her eyes narrow, she folds her arms, and looks toward her girlfriend with no warmth or any expressive emotion. Only stoic TranquilFury.



** The brush off itself is hard to watch - Normally, Charlie welcomes and seeks Vaggie's comfort and advice but this time? She ''rebuffs'' it with a scowl.
*** What makes Charlie's questions to Vaggie even more hurtful is how it appears that Charlie is questioning Vaggie's loyalty. She said out of hurt and was clearly referencing the secret-keeping, not Vaggie's origin, but it still hurts. Out of all of the Hotel occupants, in all of Hell (including her own father), Vaggie has been the most loyal and supportive of Charlie's seemingly delusional and pointless dreams, never once mocking or crushing any of them. But upon Vaggie's secrecy being revealed and never telling Charlie, the latter feels genuinely betrayed; and now, she's asking, again coming from a place of hurt, if she can trust Vaggie. And this is despite the fact that all Vaggie has done is be supportive and protective of Charlie and her aforementioned goals.

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** The brush off itself is hard to watch - Normally, Charlie welcomes and seeks Vaggie's comfort and advice but this time? She ''rebuffs'' it with a scowl.
scowl. One can infer from the couple's main conflict and Charlie's scowl that the Princess must be thinking something along these lines - ''"You want to talk? Maybe you should've done that with me."''
*** What makes Charlie's questions to Vaggie even more hurtful is how it appears that Charlie is questioning Vaggie's loyalty. She said out of hurt and was clearly referencing the secret-keeping, not Vaggie's origin, but it still hurts. Out of all of the Hotel occupants, in all of Hell (including her own father), Vaggie has been the most loyal and supportive of Charlie's seemingly delusional and pointless dreams, never once mocking or crushing any of them. But upon Vaggie's secrecy being revealed and never telling Charlie, the latter feels genuinely betrayed; and now, she's asking, again coming from a place of hurt, if she can trust Vaggie. And this is despite the fact that all Vaggie has done is be devotedly supportive and protective of Charlie and her aforementioned goals.goals. Vaggie's hurt reaction, specifically from the first question, is hard to watch.



** Subtle, but Vaggie doesn't attempt to justify her secrecy to Charlie. In most situations like this in media, when one half of a couple keeps a big secret from their other half, the secret keeper attempts to rationalize their deceit. However, Vaggie doesn't do that; or, if she did when they came home, the audience didn't see. However, Vaggie understands the pain she caused Charlie and doesn't attempt to make an excuse for herself.
** Another subtle detail is that Charlie has a lot on her plate - Heaven refused to listen to her pleas, she (along with even the Court of Heaven) are unsure on how a soul can get into Heaven, Adam will be targeting the Hotel first with his sadistic army, and now she has to rally a group of people to fight for her. All of that is a lot to take in but the main issue with the demon Princess? That Vaggie has been lying to her in their whole relationship. Yeah, she knows the other pressing issues need to be handled first but Vaggie's secrecy is what causing her so much emotional turmoil. In a bittersweet observation, it was ''[[UndyingLoyalty Vaggie]]'' of all people to hurt Charlie the most, and there was no malice behind it.

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** Subtle, but Vaggie doesn't attempt to justify her secrecy to Charlie. In most situations like this in media, when one half of a couple keeps a big secret from their other half, the secret keeper attempts to rationalize their deceit. However, Vaggie doesn't do that; or, if she did when they came home, the audience didn't see. However, Either way, Vaggie understands the pain she caused Charlie and doesn't attempt to make an excuse for herself.
** Another subtle detail is that Charlie has a lot on her plate - Heaven refused to listen to her pleas, she (along with even the Court of Heaven) are unsure on how a soul can get into Heaven, Adam will be targeting the Hotel first with his sadistic army, and now she has to rally a group of people to fight for her. All of that is a lot to take in but the main issue with the demon Princess? That Vaggie has been lying to her in their whole relationship. Yeah, she knows the other pressing issues need to be handled first but Vaggie's secrecy is what causing her so much emotional turmoil. In a bittersweet observation, it was ''[[UndyingLoyalty Vaggie]]'' of all people to hurt Charlie the most, and there was no malice intent behind it.it.
** And given the above-mentioned detail, it can be implied that Charlie's earlier [[DespairEventHorizon despair]] could've been avoided because she could always go to Vaggie for comfort and support. But with the revelation of Vaggie's lie brought to the surface, Charlie can't be around her for the moment; but the sad truth is, all Charlie wanted at the point was Vaggie's presence.

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* While "Hell's Greatest Dad" is an awesome song and is mostly PlayedForLaughs, there's a sad note on Alastor playing up the [[ParentalSubstitute fatherly role]] to Charlie in his portion of the song - In the sad fact, that he doesn't mean it. It's all just to enrage Lucifer, as since Alastor can't beat him physically, he uses the King's insecurity over being a good father to hurt him. All the while, Charlie is blissfully unaware of the Overlord's manipulation.



*** A commentator from the same above link makes an accurate but still heartwrenching detail - Charlie isn't just surprised at the revelation. She's scared and shocked. As mentioned in the post, while Charlie could become rattled, annoyed, and/or uncomfortable by many villains in the show (i.e., Adam, Lute, Valentino etc.), she never looked as ''terrified'' as she does now. While she has never shown any FantasticRacism towards angels in either the pilot or show (even quickly befriending Emily), but it doesn't change the fact that a murderous group of them came to Hell to commit mass murder on her demon people. And the fact that her beloved girlfriend was once one of them? That's a lot to take in.

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*** A commentator from the same above link makes an accurate but still heartwrenching detail - Charlie isn't just surprised at the revelation. She's scared and shocked. As mentioned in the post, while Charlie could become rattled, annoyed, and/or uncomfortable by many villains in the show (i.e., Adam, Lute, Valentino etc.), she never looked as ''terrified'' as she does now. While she has never shown any FantasticRacism towards angels in either the pilot or show (even quickly befriending Emily), but it doesn't change the fact that a murderous group of them came to Hell to commit mass murder on her demon people. And the fact that her beloved girlfriend was once one of them? That's a lot to take in.



** When Vaggie tries to talk with Charlie about the whole situation, the latter brushes her off. And before she leaves with Alastor to go visit Rosie, Charlie coldly asks Vaggie this: "You with us?" while giving an equally [[TranquilFury cold]] [[https://imgur.com/bBWxdOi look]]. Charlie was ''deeply'' hurt by her girlfriend's actions.

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** When Vaggie tries to talk with Charlie about the whole situation, the latter angrily brushes her off. And before she leaves with Alastor to go visit Rosie, Charlie coldly asks Vaggie this: "You with us?" while giving an equally [[TranquilFury cold]] [[https://imgur.com/bBWxdOi look]]. Charlie was ''deeply'' hurt by her girlfriend's actions.



*** What makes Charlie's questions to Vaggie even more hurtful is Of all of the Hotel occupants, in all of Hell (including her own father), Vaggie has been the most loyal and supportive of Charlie's seemingly delusional and pointless dreams, never once mocking or crushing any of them. But upon Vaggie's secrecy and never telling Charlie, the latter feels genuinely betrayed and

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** The brush off itself is hard to watch - Normally, Charlie welcomes and seeks Vaggie's comfort and advice but this time? She ''rebuffs'' it with a scowl.
*** What makes Charlie's questions to Vaggie even more hurtful is Of how it appears that Charlie is questioning Vaggie's loyalty. She said out of hurt and was clearly referencing the secret-keeping, not Vaggie's origin, but it still hurts. Out of all of the Hotel occupants, in all of Hell (including her own father), Vaggie has been the most loyal and supportive of Charlie's seemingly delusional and pointless dreams, never once mocking or crushing any of them. But upon Vaggie's secrecy being revealed and never telling Charlie, the latter feels genuinely betrayed betrayed; and now, she's asking, again coming from a place of hurt, if she can trust Vaggie. And this is despite the fact that all Vaggie has done is be supportive and protective of Charlie and her aforementioned goals.



** Another subtle detail is that Charlie has a lot on her plate - Heaven refused to listen to her pleas, Adam will be targeting the Hotel first with his sadistic army, and now she has to rally a group of people to fight for her. All of that is a lot to take in but the main issue with the demon Princess? That Vaggie has been lying to her in their whole relationship. Yeah, she knows the other pressing issues need to be handled first but Vaggie's secrecy is what causing her so much emotional turmoil. In a bittersweet observation, it was ''[[UndyingLoyalty Vaggie]]'' of all people to hurt Charlie the most, and there was no malice behind it.

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** Another subtle detail is that Charlie has a lot on her plate - Heaven refused to listen to her pleas, she (along with even the Court of Heaven) are unsure on how a soul can get into Heaven, Adam will be targeting the Hotel first with his sadistic army, and now she has to rally a group of people to fight for her. All of that is a lot to take in but the main issue with the demon Princess? That Vaggie has been lying to her in their whole relationship. Yeah, she knows the other pressing issues need to be handled first but Vaggie's secrecy is what causing her so much emotional turmoil. In a bittersweet observation, it was ''[[UndyingLoyalty Vaggie]]'' of all people to hurt Charlie the most, and there was no malice behind it.

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** After making a deal with Alastor and learning about a way to kill angels, Vaggie voices her surprise at the revelation. Charlie angrily questions if Vaggie would've told her if she knew; Vaggie gives a hurt expression with an equally hurt, "Charlie."

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** While Charlie stopping Vaggie from attacking Alastor is a heartwarming gesture that the Princess doesn't want her girlfriend to get hurt, said Princess' next expressions become less so - After clearing up what happened, Charlie's look of concern goes to one of quiet anger and hurt - her eyes narrow, she folds her arms, and looks toward her girlfriend with no warmth or any expressive emotion. Only stoic TranquilFury.
** After making a deal with Alastor and learning about a way to kill angels, Vaggie voices her surprise at the revelation. Charlie angrily questions if Vaggie would've told her if she knew; Vaggie gives Vaggie's reaction is a surprised and hurt expression with an equally hurt, "Charlie.""


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*** What makes Charlie's questions to Vaggie even more hurtful is Of all of the Hotel occupants, in all of Hell (including her own father), Vaggie has been the most loyal and supportive of Charlie's seemingly delusional and pointless dreams, never once mocking or crushing any of them. But upon Vaggie's secrecy and never telling Charlie, the latter feels genuinely betrayed and
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** It also quite bluntly puts things into perspective for Charlie. In previous episodes, Charlie's handling of Angel Dust reeked of InnocentlyInsensitive, doing patronizing exercises and even making him play "the crack whore" in a roleplay exercise. From this point she sees that Angel's woes are ''far'' from a simple vice to tackle, and if anything, her treatment has been making him miserable the whole time. Her idealized lens shattered, Charlie can only whimper an apology, likely not just for this one moment.
-->'''Charlie:''' I didn't....''(sobs)''....mean to, I...I'm so sorry.... ''(runs off)''
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** Both Angel and Charlie responding worst to Sir Pentious' sacrifice also leans into Fridge Horror, as "Masquerade" and "Hello Rosie" respectively made bluntly apparent how much they dreaded one of their friends getting caught in the crossfire for their sake. Watching Pentious perish in a vain attempt to protect them was their worst nightmare becoming a reality.
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** During the aftermath of the battle, Charlie is relieved that [=KeeKee=] and Angel's pet, Fat Nuggets, are fine, but when she notices the "Happy First Week, Sir Pentious" banner on the ground, she's sadly reminded of Sir Pentious' HeroicSacrifice and goes into a HeroicBSOD. Even [=KeeKee=] is sadden by his death as she places her paw on the banner.

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** During the aftermath of the battle, Charlie is relieved that [=KeeKee=] and Angel's pet, Fat Nuggets, are fine, but when she notices the "Happy First Week, Sir Pentious" banner on the ground, she's sadly reminded of Sir Pentious' HeroicSacrifice and goes into a HeroicBSOD. Even [=KeeKee=] is sadden saddened by his death as she places her paw on the banner.
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** Charlie meanwhile has a total meltdown, murmuring a RapidFireNo before dropping to the ground and sobbing. She shortly explodes into her demon-form in a tearful rage, essentially making her friend and student's death her TraumaticSuperpowerAwakening.
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* We see Angel cover his chest with his robe after Valentino tries to grope him. After being slammed onto the couch forcefully by Valentino, the latter successfully manages to grope the former causing a sad and terrified “no”.

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* We see Angel cover his chest with his robe after Valentino tries to grope touch him. After being slammed onto the couch forcefully by Valentino, the latter successfully manages to grope touch the chest of the former causing a sad and terrified “no”.
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* We see Angel cover his chest with his robe after Valentino tries to grope him. After being slammed onto the couch forcefully by Valentino, the latter successfully manages to grope the former causing a sad and terrified “no”.

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