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** [[spoiler:Big Smoke [[TragicVillain in general]], really. He started off as a loyal member to the [=GSF=], but then, before C.J.'s return, he and Ryder had no other choice but to align themselves with C.R.A.S.H. and the Ballas due to the Families' decline, and him seeing the opportunity to [[MoneyDearBoy profit off of the drug industry]]. Ryder was [[JerkassBall easily]] convinced by Smoke, the Ballas killed Beverly, Tenpenny framed C.J. for a cop's murder, and the power Smoke gained had corrupted him. First he was TheMole towards the GSF, and then it culminated in him becoming a drug kingpin... [[AllForNothing for nothing.]] Because of Tenpenny's goal of [[KillEmAll eliminating all street gangs]], even if Smoke ''did'' kill C.J., he would've had his power and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness his life]] taken away anyway. This combined with all of his pre-[[TheReveal twist]] scenes, where he and to a [[{{Jerkass}} lesser extent]], Ryder, seemed genuinely friendly even with the {{Foreshadowing}}, and then his AlasPoorVillain scene, [[HeelRealization where he finally realizes what he's become]] and genuinely [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regrets]] it before his death, really does make you think that Smoke, in spite of his failings, deserved better. No wonder why C.J. felt remorse...]]

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** [[spoiler:Big Smoke [[TragicVillain in general]], really. He started off as a loyal member to the [=GSF=], but then, before C.J.'s return, he and Ryder had no other choice but to align themselves with C.R.A.S.H. and the Ballas due to the Families' decline, and him seeing the opportunity to [[MoneyDearBoy profit off of the drug industry]]. Ryder was [[JerkassBall easily]] convinced by Smoke, the Ballas killed Beverly, Tenpenny framed C.J. for a cop's Officer Pendleberry's murder, and the power Smoke gained had corrupted him. First he was TheMole towards the GSF, and then it culminated in him becoming a drug kingpin... [[AllForNothing for nothing.]] Because of Tenpenny's goal of [[KillEmAll eliminating all street gangs]], even if Smoke ''did'' kill C.J., he would've had his power and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness his life]] taken away anyway. This combined with all of his pre-[[TheReveal twist]] scenes, where he and to a [[{{Jerkass}} lesser extent]], Ryder, seemed genuinely friendly even with the {{Foreshadowing}}, and then his AlasPoorVillain scene, [[HeelRealization where he finally realizes what he's become]] and genuinely [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regrets]] it before his death, really does make you think that Smoke, in spite of his failings, deserved better. No wonder why C.J. felt remorse...]]
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** [[spoiler:Big Smoke [[TragicVillain in general]], really. He started off as a loyal member to the [=GSF=], but then, before C.J.'s return, he and Ryder had no other choice but to align themselves with C.R.A.S.H. and the Ballas due to the Families' decline, and him seeing the opportunity to [[MoneyDearBoy profit off of the drug industry]]. Ryder was [[JerkassBall easily]] convinced by Smoke, the Ballas killed Beverly, Tenpenny framed C.J. for officer murder, and the power Smoke gained had corrupted him. First he was TheMole towards the GSF, and then it culminated in him becoming a drug kingpin... [[AllForNothing for nothing.]] Because of Tenpenny's goal of [[KillEmAll eliminating all street gangs]], even if Smoke ''did'' kill C.J., he would've had his power and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness his life]] taken away anyway. This combined with all of his pre-[[TheReveal twist]] scenes, where he and to a [[{{Jerkass}} lesser extent]], Ryder, seemed genuinely friendly even with the {{Foreshadowing}}, and then his AlasPoorVillain scene, [[HeelRealization where he finally realizes what he's become]] and genuinely [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regrets]] it before his death, really does make you think that Smoke, in spite of his failings, deserved better. No wonder why C.J. felt remorse...]]

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** [[spoiler:Big Smoke [[TragicVillain in general]], really. He started off as a loyal member to the [=GSF=], but then, before C.J.'s return, he and Ryder had no other choice but to align themselves with C.R.A.S.H. and the Ballas due to the Families' decline, and him seeing the opportunity to [[MoneyDearBoy profit off of the drug industry]]. Ryder was [[JerkassBall easily]] convinced by Smoke, the Ballas killed Beverly, Tenpenny framed C.J. for officer a cop's murder, and the power Smoke gained had corrupted him. First he was TheMole towards the GSF, and then it culminated in him becoming a drug kingpin... [[AllForNothing for nothing.]] Because of Tenpenny's goal of [[KillEmAll eliminating all street gangs]], even if Smoke ''did'' kill C.J., he would've had his power and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness his life]] taken away anyway. This combined with all of his pre-[[TheReveal twist]] scenes, where he and to a [[{{Jerkass}} lesser extent]], Ryder, seemed genuinely friendly even with the {{Foreshadowing}}, and then his AlasPoorVillain scene, [[HeelRealization where he finally realizes what he's become]] and genuinely [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regrets]] it before his death, really does make you think that Smoke, in spite of his failings, deserved better. No wonder why C.J. felt remorse...]]
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** [[spoiler: Your mileage may vary with this one, but the fact that unlike Big Smoke, Ryder is completely forgotten after his death, as in spite of his [[{{Jerkass}} many]], [[TheStoner MANY]] [[DeadpanSnarker faults]], he was still a close friend of C.J.'s and has even showed far more genuine loyalty to Grove Street than Smoke ever did. It's rather depressing that not only do one of the protagonists friends betrays him, he's completely forgotten about after his demise]].

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** [[spoiler: Your mileage may vary with this one, but the fact that unlike Big Smoke, Ryder is completely forgotten after his death, as in spite of his [[{{Jerkass}} many]], [[TheStoner MANY]] [[DeadpanSnarker faults]], he was still a close friend of C.J.'s and has even showed far more genuine loyalty to Grove Street than Smoke ever did. It's rather depressing that not only do one of the protagonists protagonist's friends betrays him, he's completely forgotten about after his demise]].
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** [[spoiler: Your mileage may vary with this one, but the fact that unlike Big Smoke, Ryder is completely forgotten after his death, as in spite of his [[{{Jerkass}} many]], [[TheStoner MANY]] [[DeadpanSnarker faults]], he was still a close friend of C.J.'s and has even showed far more genuine loyalty to Grove Street than Smoke ever did. It's rather depressing that not only do one of the protagonists friends betrays him, he's completely forgotten about after his demise]].
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* From [[https://lparchive.org/Grand-Theft-Auto-San-Andreas-(Screenshot)/Update%2049/ Jerusalem's Let's Play]] of the game: the "[[https://lparchive.org/Grand-Theft-Auto-San-Andreas-(Screenshot)/Update%2049/ Snail Trail]]" mission. [[spoiler:Tenpenny and Pulaski manage to track CJ in San Fierro, appear in his garage with no warning, and threaten Sweet's life to force CJ into helping them]]; as a result, CJ is forced into killing an innocent journalist and a cop informer. CJ [[ItGetsEasier has absolutely no problem or remorse killing people when he has to]], but murdering two innocents (even if under duress) causes him to [[HeroicBSOD completely break down]] in remorse and fear.
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* A sadder moment is certainly the end of the video "The Introduction", where Tenpenny and Pulaski sent some Ballas to kill C.J.'s mother. And what makes this scene even sadder is the music. Unlike other deaths in the videogame itself, which are even played for laughs, this scene completely played for drama.

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* A sadder moment is certainly the end of the video "The Introduction", where Tenpenny and Pulaski sent some Ballas to kill C.J.'s mother. And what makes this scene even sadder is the music. Unlike other deaths in the videogame itself, which are even played for laughs, this scene completely played for drama.drama despite the viewer didn't see anything except for a car shooting at the house.
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* When the ending credits roll after you complete final mission, it might not be sad unless you realized this is the [[GrandFinale last major GTA game]] (not counting [[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoLibertyCityStories tw]][[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoViceCityStories o]] {{gaiden game}}s) for UsefulNotes/PlayStation2. Also, just like ''Vice City'''s ending credits, the State of San Andreas appears to be abandoned, giving the impression that the State itself ends along with the game (and for being the final ''GTA'' game for UsefulNotes/PlayStation2).

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* When the ending credits roll after you complete final mission, it might not be sad (as the music is now the extended upbeat intro theme of the game) unless you realized this is the [[GrandFinale last major GTA game]] (not counting [[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoLibertyCityStories tw]][[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoViceCityStories o]] {{gaiden game}}s) for UsefulNotes/PlayStation2. Also, just like ''Vice City'''s ending credits, the State of San Andreas appears to be abandoned, giving the impression that the State itself ends along with the game (and for being the final ''GTA'' game for UsefulNotes/PlayStation2).UsefulNotes/PlayStation2).
** The PC version did have cars crossing though.
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* When the ending credits roll after you complete final mission, it might not be sad unless you realized this is the [[GrandFinale last major GTA game]] (not counting [[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoLibertyCityStories tw]][[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoViceCityStories o]] {{gaiden game}}s) for UsefulNotes/PlayStation2. Also, just like ''Vice City'''s ending credits, the State of San Andreas appears to be empty.

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* When the ending credits roll after you complete final mission, it might not be sad unless you realized this is the [[GrandFinale last major GTA game]] (not counting [[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoLibertyCityStories tw]][[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoViceCityStories o]] {{gaiden game}}s) for UsefulNotes/PlayStation2. Also, just like ''Vice City'''s ending credits, the State of San Andreas appears to be empty.abandoned, giving the impression that the State itself ends along with the game (and for being the final ''GTA'' game for UsefulNotes/PlayStation2).
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* [[spoiler: The death of Big Smoke and before finding out that the power, cash, and drugs finally corrupted him. His lines "I made it, CJ! I'm a success!" are particularly hard-hitting, because one gets the feeling that he's not only trying to convince CJ, but himself as well.]]
** [[spoiler:Big Smoke [[TragicVillain in general]], really. He started off as a loyal member to the [=GSF=], but then, before CJ's return, he and Ryder had no other choice but to align themselves with C.R.A.S.H. and the Ballas due to the Families' decline, and him seeing the opportunity to [[MoneyDearBoy profit off of the drug industry]]. Ryder was [[JerkassBall easily]] convinced by Smoke, the Ballas killed Beverly, Tenpenny framed CJ for officer murder, and the power Smoke gained had corrupted him. First he was TheMole towards the GSF, and then it culminated in him becoming a drug kingpin...[[AllForNothing for nothing.]] Because of Tenpenny's goal of [[KillEmAll eliminating all street gangs]], even if Smoke ''did'' kill CJ, he would've had his power and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness his life]] taken away anyway. This combined with all of his pre-[[TheReveal twist]] scenes, where he and to a [[{{Jerkass}} lesser extent]], Ryder, seemed genuinely friendly even with the {{Foreshadowing}}, and then his AlasPoorVillain scene, [[HeelRealization where he finally realizes what he's become]] and genuinely [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regrets]] it before his death, really does make you think that Smoke, in spite of his failings, deserved better. No wonder why CJ felt remorse...]]
-->''[[spoiler:"Oh, damn, man...[[WhatASenselessWasteOfHumanLife what a waste..."]]]]''
** [[spoiler: CJ also felt bad about the fact that he killed Ryder, his other homie, although this is ephemeral after Cesar tells CJ that Ryder tried to rape Kendl.]]
*** [[spoiler: Actually, the fact that CJ kills his two friends in general can qualify. If you watch the introduction, you'll see that neither Smoke nor Ryder had any intentions of betraying their gang. Also, even though CJ made a lot of new friends, he also lost two of his childhood friends as well.]]

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* [[spoiler: The death of Big Smoke and before finding out that the power, cash, and drugs finally corrupted him. His lines "I made it, CJ! C.J.! I'm a success!" are particularly hard-hitting, because one gets the feeling that he's not only trying to convince CJ, C.J., but himself as well.]]
** [[spoiler:Big Smoke [[TragicVillain in general]], really. He started off as a loyal member to the [=GSF=], but then, before CJ's C.J.'s return, he and Ryder had no other choice but to align themselves with C.R.A.S.H. and the Ballas due to the Families' decline, and him seeing the opportunity to [[MoneyDearBoy profit off of the drug industry]]. Ryder was [[JerkassBall easily]] convinced by Smoke, the Ballas killed Beverly, Tenpenny framed CJ C.J. for officer murder, and the power Smoke gained had corrupted him. First he was TheMole towards the GSF, and then it culminated in him becoming a drug kingpin... [[AllForNothing for nothing.]] Because of Tenpenny's goal of [[KillEmAll eliminating all street gangs]], even if Smoke ''did'' kill CJ, C.J., he would've had his power and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness his life]] taken away anyway. This combined with all of his pre-[[TheReveal twist]] scenes, where he and to a [[{{Jerkass}} lesser extent]], Ryder, seemed genuinely friendly even with the {{Foreshadowing}}, and then his AlasPoorVillain scene, [[HeelRealization where he finally realizes what he's become]] and genuinely [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regrets]] it before his death, really does make you think that Smoke, in spite of his failings, deserved better. No wonder why CJ C.J. felt remorse...]]
-->''[[spoiler:"Oh, damn, man... [[WhatASenselessWasteOfHumanLife what a waste..."]]]]''
** [[spoiler: CJ C.J. also felt bad about the fact that he killed Ryder, his other homie, although this is ephemeral after Cesar tells CJ C.J. that Ryder tried to rape Kendl.]]
*** [[spoiler: Actually, the fact that CJ C.J. kills his two friends in general can qualify. If you watch the introduction, you'll see that neither Smoke nor Ryder had any intentions of betraying their gang. Also, even though CJ C.J. made a lot of new friends, he also lost two of his childhood friends as well.]]



* A sadder moment is certainly the end of the video "The Introduction", where Tenpenny and Pulaski sent some Ballas to kill the CJ's mother. And what makes this scene even sadder is the music. Unlike other deaths in the videogame itself, which are even played for laughs, this scene completely played for drama.

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* A sadder moment is certainly the end of the video "The Introduction", where Tenpenny and Pulaski sent some Ballas to kill the CJ's C.J.'s mother. And what makes this scene even sadder is the music. Unlike other deaths in the videogame itself, which are even played for laughs, this scene completely played for drama.
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** [[spoiler:Big Smoke [[TragicVillain in general]], really. He started off as a loyal member to the [=GSF=], but then, before CJ's return, he and Ryder had no other choice but to align themselves with C.R.A.S.H. and the Ballas due to the Families' decline, and him seeing the opportunity to [[MoneyDearBoy profit off of the drug industry]]. Ryder was [[JerkassBall easily]] convinced by Smoke, the Ballas killed Beverly, Tenpenny framed CJ for officer murder, and the power Smoke gained had corrupted him. First he was TheMole towards the GSF, and then it culminated in him becoming a drug kingpin...[[AllForNothing for nothing.]] Because of Tenpenny's goal of [[KillEmAll eliminating all street gangs]], even if Smoke ''did'' kill CJ, he would've had his power and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness his life]] taken away anyway. This combined with all of his pre-[[TheReveal twist]] scenes, where he and Ryder seemed genuinely friendly even with the {{Foreshadowing}}, and then his AlasPoorVillain scene, [[HeelRealization where he finally realizes what he's become]] and genuinely [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regrets]] it before his death, really does make you think that Ryder and Smoke, in spite of their failings, deserved better. No wonder why CJ felt remorse...]]

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** [[spoiler:Big Smoke [[TragicVillain in general]], really. He started off as a loyal member to the [=GSF=], but then, before CJ's return, he and Ryder had no other choice but to align themselves with C.R.A.S.H. and the Ballas due to the Families' decline, and him seeing the opportunity to [[MoneyDearBoy profit off of the drug industry]]. Ryder was [[JerkassBall easily]] convinced by Smoke, the Ballas killed Beverly, Tenpenny framed CJ for officer murder, and the power Smoke gained had corrupted him. First he was TheMole towards the GSF, and then it culminated in him becoming a drug kingpin...[[AllForNothing for nothing.]] Because of Tenpenny's goal of [[KillEmAll eliminating all street gangs]], even if Smoke ''did'' kill CJ, he would've had his power and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness his life]] taken away anyway. This combined with all of his pre-[[TheReveal twist]] scenes, where he and Ryder to a [[{{Jerkass}} lesser extent]], Ryder, seemed genuinely friendly even with the {{Foreshadowing}}, and then his AlasPoorVillain scene, [[HeelRealization where he finally realizes what he's become]] and genuinely [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regrets]] it before his death, really does make you think that Ryder and Smoke, in spite of their his failings, deserved better. No wonder why CJ felt remorse...]]
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** [[spoiler:Big Smoke [[TragicVillain in general]], really. [[CryForTheDevil even with the fact that he killed Beverly]]. He started off as a loyal member to the [=GSF=], but then, before CJ's return, he and Ryder had no other choice but to align themselves with C.R.A.S.H. and the Ballas due to the Families' decline, and him seeing the opportunity to [[MoneyDearBoy profit off of the drug industry]]. Ryder was [[JerkassBall easily]] persuaded, and the power Smoke gained had corrupted him, first being TheMole towards the GSF, and culminating in him becoming a drug kingpin...[[AllForNothing for nothing.]] Because of Tenpenny's goal of [[KillEmAll eliminating all street gangs]], even if Smoke ''did'' kill CJ, he would've had his power and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness his life]] taken away anyway. This combined with all of his pre-[[TheReveal twist]] scenes, where he and Ryder seemed genuinely friendly even with the {{Foreshadowing}}, and then his AlasPoorVillain scene, [[HeelRealization where he finally realizes what he's become]] and genuinely [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regrets]] it before his death, really does make you think that Ryder and Smoke, in spite of their failings, deserved better. No wonder why CJ felt remorse...]]

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** [[spoiler:Big Smoke [[TragicVillain in general]], really. [[CryForTheDevil even with the fact that he killed Beverly]]. He started off as a loyal member to the [=GSF=], but then, before CJ's return, he and Ryder had no other choice but to align themselves with C.R.A.S.H. and the Ballas due to the Families' decline, and him seeing the opportunity to [[MoneyDearBoy profit off of the drug industry]]. Ryder was [[JerkassBall easily]] persuaded, convinced by Smoke, the Ballas killed Beverly, Tenpenny framed CJ for officer murder, and the power Smoke gained had corrupted him, first being him. First he was TheMole towards the GSF, and culminating then it culminated in him becoming a drug kingpin...[[AllForNothing for nothing.]] Because of Tenpenny's goal of [[KillEmAll eliminating all street gangs]], even if Smoke ''did'' kill CJ, he would've had his power and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness his life]] taken away anyway. This combined with all of his pre-[[TheReveal twist]] scenes, where he and Ryder seemed genuinely friendly even with the {{Foreshadowing}}, and then his AlasPoorVillain scene, [[HeelRealization where he finally realizes what he's become]] and genuinely [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regrets]] it before his death, really does make you think that Ryder and Smoke, in spite of their failings, deserved better. No wonder why CJ felt remorse...]]
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** [[spoiler:Big Smoke [[TragicVillain in general]], really. [[CryForTheDevil even with the fact that he killed Beverly]]. He started off as a loyal member to the [=GSF=], but then, before CJ's return, he and Ryder had no other choice but to align themselves with C.R.A.S.H. and the Ballas due to the Families' decline, and him seeing the opportunity [[MoneyDearBoy profit off of the drug industry]]. Ryder was [[JerkassBall easily]] persuaded, and the power Smoke gained had corrupted him, first being TheMole towards the GSF, and culminating in him becoming a drug kingpin...[[AllForNothing for nothing.]] Because of Tenpenny's goal of [[KillEmAll eliminating all street gangs]], even if Smoke ''did'' kill CJ, he would've had his power and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness his life]] taken away anyway. This combined with all of his pre-[[TheReveal twist]] scenes, where he and Ryder seemed genuinely friendly even with the {{Foreshadowing}}, and then his AlasPoorVillain scene, [[HeelRealization where he finally realizes what he's become]] and genuinely [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regrets]] it before his death, really does make you think that Ryder and Smoke, in spite of their failings, deserved better. No wonder why CJ felt remorse...]]

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** [[spoiler:Big Smoke [[TragicVillain in general]], really. [[CryForTheDevil even with the fact that he killed Beverly]]. He started off as a loyal member to the [=GSF=], but then, before CJ's return, he and Ryder had no other choice but to align themselves with C.R.A.S.H. and the Ballas due to the Families' decline, and him seeing the opportunity to [[MoneyDearBoy profit off of the drug industry]]. Ryder was [[JerkassBall easily]] persuaded, and the power Smoke gained had corrupted him, first being TheMole towards the GSF, and culminating in him becoming a drug kingpin...[[AllForNothing for nothing.]] Because of Tenpenny's goal of [[KillEmAll eliminating all street gangs]], even if Smoke ''did'' kill CJ, he would've had his power and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness his life]] taken away anyway. This combined with all of his pre-[[TheReveal twist]] scenes, where he and Ryder seemed genuinely friendly even with the {{Foreshadowing}}, and then his AlasPoorVillain scene, [[HeelRealization where he finally realizes what he's become]] and genuinely [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regrets]] it before his death, really does make you think that Ryder and Smoke, in spite of their failings, deserved better. No wonder why CJ felt remorse...]]
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** [[spoiler:Big Smoke [[TragicVillain in general]], really. [[CryForTheDevil even with the fact that he killed Beverly]]. He started off as a loyal member to the [=GSF=], but then, before CJ's return, he and Ryder had no other choice but to align themselves with C.R.A.S.H. and the Ballas due to the Families' decline, and him seeing the opportunity [[MoneyDearBoy profit off of the drug industry]]. Ryder was [[JerkassBall easily]] persuaded, and the power Smoke gained had corrupted him, first being TheMole towards the GSF, and culminating in him becoming a drug kingpin...[[AllForNothing for nothing.]] Because of Tenpenny's goal of [[KillEmAll eliminating all street gangs]], even if Smoke ''did'' kill CJ, he would've had his power and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness his life]] taken away anyway. This combined with all of his pre-[[TheReveal twist]] scenes, where he and Ryder seemed genuinely [[BigFun friendly]] even with the {{Foreshadowing}}, and then his AlasPoorVillain scene, [[HeelRealization where he finally realizes what he's become]] and genuinely [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regrets]] it before his death, really does make you think that Ryder and Smoke, in spite of their failings, deserved better. No wonder why CJ felt remorse...]]

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** [[spoiler:Big Smoke [[TragicVillain in general]], really. [[CryForTheDevil even with the fact that he killed Beverly]]. He started off as a loyal member to the [=GSF=], but then, before CJ's return, he and Ryder had no other choice but to align themselves with C.R.A.S.H. and the Ballas due to the Families' decline, and him seeing the opportunity [[MoneyDearBoy profit off of the drug industry]]. Ryder was [[JerkassBall easily]] persuaded, and the power Smoke gained had corrupted him, first being TheMole towards the GSF, and culminating in him becoming a drug kingpin...[[AllForNothing for nothing.]] Because of Tenpenny's goal of [[KillEmAll eliminating all street gangs]], even if Smoke ''did'' kill CJ, he would've had his power and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness his life]] taken away anyway. This combined with all of his pre-[[TheReveal twist]] scenes, where he and Ryder seemed genuinely [[BigFun friendly]] friendly even with the {{Foreshadowing}}, and then his AlasPoorVillain scene, [[HeelRealization where he finally realizes what he's become]] and genuinely [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regrets]] it before his death, really does make you think that Ryder and Smoke, in spite of their failings, deserved better. No wonder why CJ felt remorse...]]
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** [[spoiler:Big Smoke [[TragicVillain in general]], really. He started off as a loyal member to the [=GSF=], but then, before CJ's return, he and Ryder had no other choice but to align themselves with C.R.A.S.H. and the Ballas due to the Families' decline, and him seeing the opportunity [[MoneyDearBoy profit off of the drug industry]]. Ryder was [[JerkassBall easily]] persuaded, and the power Smoke gained had corrupted him, first being TheMole towards the GSF, and culminating in him becoming a drug kingpin...[[AllForNothing for nothing.]] Because of Tenpenny's goal of [[KillEmAll eliminating all street gangs]], even if Smoke ''did'' kill CJ, he would've had his power and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness his life]] taken away anyway. This combined with all of his pre-[[TheReveal twist]] scenes, where he and Ryder seemed genuinely [[BigFun friendly]] even with the {{Foreshadowing}}, really does make you think that Ryder and Smoke, in spite of their failings, deserved better. No wonder why CJ felt remorse...]]

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** [[spoiler:Big Smoke [[TragicVillain in general]], really. [[CryForTheDevil even with the fact that he killed Beverly]]. He started off as a loyal member to the [=GSF=], but then, before CJ's return, he and Ryder had no other choice but to align themselves with C.R.A.S.H. and the Ballas due to the Families' decline, and him seeing the opportunity [[MoneyDearBoy profit off of the drug industry]]. Ryder was [[JerkassBall easily]] persuaded, and the power Smoke gained had corrupted him, first being TheMole towards the GSF, and culminating in him becoming a drug kingpin...[[AllForNothing for nothing.]] Because of Tenpenny's goal of [[KillEmAll eliminating all street gangs]], even if Smoke ''did'' kill CJ, he would've had his power and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness his life]] taken away anyway. This combined with all of his pre-[[TheReveal twist]] scenes, where he and Ryder seemed genuinely [[BigFun friendly]] even with the {{Foreshadowing}}, and then his AlasPoorVillain scene, [[HeelRealization where he finally realizes what he's become]] and genuinely [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone regrets]] it before his death, really does make you think that Ryder and Smoke, in spite of their failings, deserved better. No wonder why CJ felt remorse...]]
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** [[spoiler:Big Smoke [[TragicVillain in general]], really. He started off as a loyal member to the [=GSF=], but then, before CJ's return, he and Ryder had no other choice but to align themselves with C.R.A.S.H. and the Ballas due to the Families' decline, and him seeing the opportunity [[MoneyDearBoy profit off of the drug industry]]. Ryder was [[JerkassBall easily]] persuaded, and the power Smoke gained had corrupted him, first being TheMole towards the GSF, and culminating in him becoming a drug kingpin...[[AllForNothing for nothing.]] Because of Tenpenny's goal of [[KillEmAll eliminating all street gangs]], even if Smoke would've killed CJ, he would've had his power and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness his life]] taken away anyway. This combined with all of his pre-[[TheReveal twist]] scenes, where he and Ryder seemed genuinely [[BigFun friendly]] even with the {{Foreshadowing}}, really does make you think that Ryder and Smoke, in spite of their failings, deserved better. No wonder why CJ felt remorse...]]

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** [[spoiler:Big Smoke [[TragicVillain in general]], really. He started off as a loyal member to the [=GSF=], but then, before CJ's return, he and Ryder had no other choice but to align themselves with C.R.A.S.H. and the Ballas due to the Families' decline, and him seeing the opportunity [[MoneyDearBoy profit off of the drug industry]]. Ryder was [[JerkassBall easily]] persuaded, and the power Smoke gained had corrupted him, first being TheMole towards the GSF, and culminating in him becoming a drug kingpin...[[AllForNothing for nothing.]] Because of Tenpenny's goal of [[KillEmAll eliminating all street gangs]], even if Smoke would've killed ''did'' kill CJ, he would've had his power and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness his life]] taken away anyway. This combined with all of his pre-[[TheReveal twist]] scenes, where he and Ryder seemed genuinely [[BigFun friendly]] even with the {{Foreshadowing}}, really does make you think that Ryder and Smoke, in spite of their failings, deserved better. No wonder why CJ felt remorse...]]
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** [[spoiler:Big Smoke [[TragicVillain in general]], really. He started off as a loyal member to the [=GSF=], but then, before CJ's return, he and Ryder had no other choice but to align themselves with C.R.A.S.H. and the Ballas due to the Families' decline, and him seeing the opportunity [[MoneyDearBoy profit off of the drug industry]]. Ryder was [[JerkassBall easily]] persuaded, and the power Smoke gained had quickly corrupted him, becoming a drug kingpin...[[AllForNothing for nothing.]] Because of Tenpenny's goal of [[KillEmAll eliminating all street gangs]], even if Smoke would've killed CJ, he would've had his power and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness his life]] taken away anyway. This combined with all of his pre-[[TheReveal twist]] scenes, where he and Ryder seemed genuinely [[BigFun friendly]] even with the {{Foreshadowing}}, really does make you think that Ryder and Smoke, in spite of their failings, deserved better. No wonder why CJ felt remorse...]]

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** [[spoiler:Big Smoke [[TragicVillain in general]], really. He started off as a loyal member to the [=GSF=], but then, before CJ's return, he and Ryder had no other choice but to align themselves with C.R.A.S.H. and the Ballas due to the Families' decline, and him seeing the opportunity [[MoneyDearBoy profit off of the drug industry]]. Ryder was [[JerkassBall easily]] persuaded, and the power Smoke gained had quickly corrupted him, first being TheMole towards the GSF, and culminating in him becoming a drug kingpin...[[AllForNothing for nothing.]] Because of Tenpenny's goal of [[KillEmAll eliminating all street gangs]], even if Smoke would've killed CJ, he would've had his power and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness his life]] taken away anyway. This combined with all of his pre-[[TheReveal twist]] scenes, where he and Ryder seemed genuinely [[BigFun friendly]] even with the {{Foreshadowing}}, really does make you think that Ryder and Smoke, in spite of their failings, deserved better. No wonder why CJ felt remorse...]]
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-->[[spoiler:''"Oh, damn, man...[[WhatASenselessWasteOfHumanLife what a waste..."'']]]]

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** [[spoiler:Big Smoke [[TragicVillain in general]], really. He started off as a loyal member to the [=GSF=], but then, before CJ's return, he and Ryder had no other choice but to align themselves with C.R.A.S.H. and the Ballas due to the Families' decline, and him seeing the opportunity [[MoneyDearBoy profit off of the drug industry]]. Ryder was [[JerkassBall easily]] persuaded, and the power Smoke gained had quickly corrupted him, becoming a drug kingpin...[[AllForNothing for nothing.]] Because of Tenpenny's goal of [[KillEmAll eliminating all street gangs]], even if Smoke would've killed CJ, he would've had his power and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness his life]] taken away anyway. This combined with all of his pre-[[TheReveal twist]] scenes, where he and Ryder seemed genuinely [[BigFun friendly]] even with the {{Foreshadowing}}, really does make you think that Ryder and Smoke, in spite of their failings, deserved better. No wonder why CJ felt remorse...]]
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*** [[spoiler: Actually, the fact that CJ kills his two friends in general can qualify. If you watch the introduction, you'll see that neither Smoke nor Ryder had any intensions of betraying their gang. Also, even though CJ made a lot of new friends, he also lost two of his childhood friends as well.]]

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*** [[spoiler: Actually, the fact that CJ kills his two friends in general can qualify. If you watch the introduction, you'll see that neither Smoke nor Ryder had any intensions intentions of betraying their gang. Also, even though CJ made a lot of new friends, he also lost two of his childhood friends as well.]]
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* The death of the CJ's mother in the video "The Introduction".
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* When the ending credits roll after you complete final mission, it might not be sad unless you realized this is the last major GTA game (not counting [[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoLibertyCityStories tw]][[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoViceCityStories o]] {{gaiden game}}s) for UsefulNotes/PlayStation2. Also, just like ''Vice City'''s ending credits, the State of San Andreas appears to be empty.

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* When the ending credits roll after you complete final mission, it might not be sad unless you realized this is the [[GrandFinale last major GTA game game]] (not counting [[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoLibertyCityStories tw]][[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoViceCityStories o]] {{gaiden game}}s) for UsefulNotes/PlayStation2. Also, just like ''Vice City'''s ending credits, the State of San Andreas appears to be empty.
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* A sadder moment is certainly the end of the video "The Introduction", where Tenpenny and Pulaski sent some Ballas to kill the CJ's mother. And what makes this scene even sadder is the music. Unlike other deaths in the videogame itself, which are even played for laughs, this scene completely played for drama.
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** [[spoiler: CJ also felt bad about the fact that he killed Ryder, his other homie, although this is ephemeral after Cesar tells CJ that Ryder tried to rape Kendl.]]
*** [[spoiler: Actually, the fact that CJ kills his two friends in general can qualify. If you watch the introduction, you'll see that neither Smoke nor Ryder had any intensions of betraying their gang. Also, even though CJ made a lot of new friends, he also lost two of his childhood friends as well.]]
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* When the ending credits roll after you complete final mission, it might not be sad unless you realized this is the last major GTA game (not counting [[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoLibertyCityStories tw]][[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoViceCityStories o]] {{gaiden game}}s) for UsefulNotes/PlayStation2.

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* When the ending credits roll after you complete final mission, it might not be sad unless you realized this is the last major GTA game (not counting [[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoLibertyCityStories tw]][[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoViceCityStories o]] {{gaiden game}}s) for UsefulNotes/PlayStation2. Also, just like ''Vice City'''s ending credits, the State of San Andreas appears to be empty.

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* When the ending credits roll after you complete final mission, it might not be sad unless you realized this is the last major GTA game (not counting the {{gaiden game}}s) for UsefulNotes/PlayStation2.

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* When the ending credits roll after you complete final mission, it might not be sad unless you realized this is the last major GTA game (not counting the [[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoLibertyCityStories tw]][[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoViceCityStories o]] {{gaiden game}}s) for UsefulNotes/PlayStation2.UsefulNotes/PlayStation2.
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* The death of the CJ's mother in the video "The Introduction".
* [[spoiler: The death of Big Smoke and before finding out that the power, cash, and drugs finally corrupted him. His lines "I made it, CJ! I'm a success!" are particularly hard-hitting, because one gets the feeling that he's not only trying to convince CJ, but himself as well.]]

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