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** Anyone who's ever had to put down a dog, or pet of any kind, can relate to Atreus's HopeSpot about Fenrir's condition maybe, just ''maybe'' improving - him eating a bit more the previous day (until he didn't), him having a bit of energy when they get home - only for that to wither away as [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome Atreus realizes his beloved pet has reached the end of his life, and there's nothing more to do than help him cross over]].
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* One of the collectibles in the DLC is Calliope's flute. When Kratos mentions how he carved the flute for her and how it reminds him of the past, Mimir immediately assumes he's talking about how Kratos was tricked into killing his wife and daughter. Kratos corrects him; the flute reminds him of the time when he saw his daughter in the Fields of Elysium and how it was a cruel trick of the gods, not because it wasn't her but because it ''was'' her, and said trick was a SadisticChoice by Persephone; either he stayed in Elysium with Calliope while she destroyed all of creation or Kratos leaves Calliope behind, possibly forever. In repeated runs when he finds her flute, Kratos also mentions how [[WhoWantsToLiveForever he would have given ''hours'' to stay with his daughter in Elysium in exchange for the decades he spent wandering.]] It wasn't until meeting Faye that he stopped wondering what he could have done differently and hopes his daughter is at peace in Elysium.

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* One of the collectibles in the DLC is Calliope's flute. When Kratos mentions how he carved the flute for her and how it reminds him of the past, Mimir immediately assumes he's talking about how Kratos was tricked into killing his wife and daughter. Kratos corrects him; the flute reminds him of the time when he saw his daughter in the Fields of Elysium and how it was a cruel trick of the gods, not because it wasn't her but because it ''was'' her, and said trick was a SadisticChoice by Persephone; either he stayed in Elysium with Calliope while she destroyed all of creation or Kratos leaves Calliope behind, possibly forever. In repeated runs when he finds her flute, Kratos also mentions how [[WhoWantsToLiveForever he would have given ''hours'' gladly spent even more decades wandering after the fall of Greece just to stay spend a few more]] ''[[WhoWantsToLiveForever hours]]'' [[WhoWantsToLiveForever with his daughter in Elysium in exchange for the decades he spent wandering.Elysium.]] It wasn't until meeting Faye that he stopped wondering what he could have done differently and hopes his daughter is at peace in Elysium.
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** Throughout his encounters with her, its clear that Kratos is fully aware that Freya has every right to hate him over Baldur's death and not once tries to defend his actions.
** Even Atreus seems resigned to the fact she is their enemy, mournfully begging Freya not to make him shoot her point-blank in the face during the intro's sled escape sequence. While Kratos admitted he was glad Atreus didn't take the shot, the boy was more concerned with the fact that he couldn't do so. As shown later when he tries to attack Freya in bear form, Atreus may care about her, but he will kill ''anyone'' that tries to harm his father, no exceptions.

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** Throughout his encounters with her, its clear that Kratos is fully aware that Freya has every right to hate him over Baldur's death and not doesn't once tries try to defend his actions.
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** Even Atreus seems resigned to the fact she is their enemy, mournfully begging Freya not to make him shoot her point-blank in the face during the intro's sled escape sequence.sequence - and Freya herself is startled enough by this to look back at Atreus for a second when she has Kratos dead to rights, clearly perturbed by the fact that the young boy she grew so attached to is now threatening to kill her. While Kratos admitted he was glad Atreus didn't take the shot, the boy was more concerned with the fact that he couldn't do so. As shown later when he tries to attack Freya in bear form, Atreus may care about her, but he will kill ''anyone'' that tries to harm his father, no exceptions.

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* All of the new lore entries are written by Kratos instead of Atreus...and many of them make it clear that as much as he supports his son's decision to strike out on his own and explore the world, Kratos ''deeply'' misses Atreus, and it's hard not to feel the same while fighting alone through so many grueling battles.

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* All of the new lore entries are written by Kratos instead of Atreus...Atreus, with many of them addressing the latter directly... and many of them make it clear that as much as he supports his son's decision to strike out on his own and explore the world, Kratos ''deeply'' misses Atreus, and it's hard not to feel the same while fighting alone through so many grueling battles.battles.
** Comments by Mimir also suggest that Kratos was suffering from empty nest syndrome before he got the invitation to Valhalla. With no battles and no Atreus to look out for, Kratos was utterly directionless. No wonder he took Týr up on his invitation so readily.
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*** Listen to Atreus' voice just before and during his and Kratos' return to Midgard. His tone is constantly wobbly and strained, like he's about to burst into tears at any second.
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* One of the collectibles in the DLC is Calliope's flute. When Kratos mentions how he carved the flute for her and how it reminds him of the past, Mimir immediately assumes he's talking about how Kratos was tricked into killing his wife and daughter. Kratos corrects him; the flute reminds him of the time when he saw his daughter in the Fields of Elysium and how it was a cruel trick of the gods, not because it wasn't her but because it ''was'' her, and said trick was a SadisticChoice by Persephone; either he stayed in Elysium with Calliope while she destroyed all of creation or Kratos leaves Calliope behind, possibly forever. In repeated runs when he finds her flute, Kratos also mentions how he would have given ''hours'' to stay with his daughter in Elysium in exchange for the decades he spent wandering. It wasn't until meeting Faye that he stopped wondering what he could have done differently and hopes his daughter is at peace in Elysium.

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* One of the collectibles in the DLC is Calliope's flute. When Kratos mentions how he carved the flute for her and how it reminds him of the past, Mimir immediately assumes he's talking about how Kratos was tricked into killing his wife and daughter. Kratos corrects him; the flute reminds him of the time when he saw his daughter in the Fields of Elysium and how it was a cruel trick of the gods, not because it wasn't her but because it ''was'' her, and said trick was a SadisticChoice by Persephone; either he stayed in Elysium with Calliope while she destroyed all of creation or Kratos leaves Calliope behind, possibly forever. In repeated runs when he finds her flute, Kratos also mentions how [[WhoWantsToLiveForever he would have given ''hours'' to stay with his daughter in Elysium in exchange for the decades he spent wandering. wandering.]] It wasn't until meeting Faye that he stopped wondering what he could have done differently and hopes his daughter is at peace in Elysium.
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* A comment from Mimir makes Odin's death far more tragic and pointless. In the [=DLC=], Mimir reveals that Odin never actually made Valhalla, it existed long before he did. Meaning that Odin would have likely gone to Valhalla when he died, had Sindri not destroyed his soul. Odin's belief in his superiority over everyone else suggests that Odin was under the delusion that he was destined to have a different afterlife from everyone else, simply because he was "above" the common people. He sacrificed so many people and members of his own family for answers he already knew but was simply too arrogant to accept.
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* One entry for the Troll, while it [[HereWeGoAgain starts out funny]], has Kratos muse on why it was that troll in particular. As it was encountered in Svartalfheim, Kratos suspects that Valhalla is pulling from his memory of rescuing Odin-as-Tyr, and with it Odin's killing of Brok. He even ends the entry by saying that he keenly feels Brok's absence as much as he does Atreus's.

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* Thor realizing that Odin has never, and likely never will, love him like he desperately craves. After Odin belittles him for not killing Kratos like he was ordered to, Thor simply stares blankly at his father and finally realizes how awful Odin truly is. In fact, when speaking to him, you can hear Thor's voice crack as he stands up to Odin for the first time.

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* Thor realizing that Odin has never, and likely never will, love him like he desperately craves. After Odin belittles him for not killing Kratos like he was ordered to, Thor simply stares blankly at his father and finally realizes how awful Odin truly is. In fact, when speaking to him, you can hear Thor's voice crack as he stands up to Odin for the first time.



** The voice-crack Thor gives off when saying that line utterly transforms him from the God of Thunder, Killer of the Giants and Prince of Asgard...to a small, wounded boy who only wanted his father's unconditional support and approval.



** It's even worse when you really consider the implications of Odin's "are you broken?" remark. It cements that, ultimately (and depending on your personal interpretation), Odin never saw Thor as anything more than either a tool he could use to achieve his ends, or a ''toy'' that he could abuse at his leisure (or both; again, interpretation matters here). And as soon as Thor proves, undeniably, that he's no longer going to listen to Odin, Odin kills him with ''zero'' hesitation, effectively ''discarding'' him, just like [[YouHaveFailedMe someone throwing away a broken or faulty tool that no longer works]], or [[PsychopathicManchild a little kid throwing away a broken toy.]]

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** It's even worse when you really consider the implications of Odin's "are you broken?" remark. It cements that, ultimately (and depending on your personal interpretation), Odin never saw Thor as anything more than either a tool he could use to achieve his ends, or a ''toy'' that he could abuse at his leisure (or both; again, interpretation matters here). And as soon as Thor proves, undeniably, that he's no longer going to listen to Odin, Odin kills him with ''zero'' hesitation, effectively ''discarding'' him, just his father, like [[YouHaveFailedMe someone throwing away a broken or faulty tool that no longer works]], or [[PsychopathicManchild a little kid throwing away spited child with a broken toy.]]toy]], doesn't hesitate to [[DeadlyEuphemism throw him away...]]
** Not bad enough already? Well, it's clear Odin was observing the battle, given how quickly he appears when Thor stands down. Meaning he saw his own son get stabbed, beaten and tossed around by Kratos, trying to wear him down enough to listen, and Odin wasn't lifting a finger to help him. His question of "Why isn't [Kratos] dead?" comes across as less a demand and more a deflection of the fact that Kratos had Thor completely dead to rights, and could have easily killed him had he been his old self. Not only does this indicate the sheer lack of sympathy Odin possesses but also his belief that Thor, come hell or high water, completes what he wants without issue, not from faith, but rather, as though he's desensitized from the idea his son is a person with flaws and failings who ''does'' need the help he refuses to give.

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* Kratos is '''''[[OOCIsSeriousBusiness horrified]]''''' when the bear he defeats as the first miniboss in the game turns into ''Atreus''. Fortunately, Atreus has the power to heal the wounds Kratos inflicted on him. Still, the brief moment when Kratos thinks he has killed his child '''again''' hits hard. Having witnessed the cycle of death cursing parental bonds between gods in the last game, Atreus' own reaction upon realizing he attacked his father isn't much better, as he desperately tries to wipe away Kratos' blood which is still on his hands.

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* The mere ''state'' of Midgard in Fimbulwinter; gone is the beautiful, expansive, diverse yet empty realm of the [[VideoGame/GodOfWarPS4 first game]]. In its place is a blizzard-choked wastepit infested with Hel-Walkers and magical abominations and worse; about the only actual signs of life are the raiders who have carved out their footholds in the once-familiar areas of the Realm. For those who loved Midgard for the [[SceneryPorn sights]] and the exploration opportunities it offered, seeing it like ''this'' hits a nerve.
* Kratos is '''''[[OOCIsSeriousBusiness horrified]]''''' when the bear he defeats as the first miniboss in the game turns into ''Atreus''. Fortunately, Atreus has the power to heal the wounds Kratos inflicted on him. Still, the brief moment when Kratos thinks he has killed his child '''again''' '''''again''''' hits hard. Having witnessed the cycle of death cursing parental bonds between gods in the last game, Atreus' own reaction upon realizing he attacked his father isn't much better, as he desperately tries to wipe away Kratos' blood which is still on his hands.
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--->'''Thor''': Everything was fine before Loki showed up! He almost convinced me! Had me believing things could change!
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* The manifestation of Helios spends the entire DLC tormenting Kratos with memories of all his wrongdoings, taking time to point out pretty much each and every sin on his hands and the horrible consequences of his actions in Greece. While Kratos tries to act unmoved by the taunting, it's clear that each word is like another knife in the back. At one point, he works up the nerve to try and apologize for killing Helios, admitting that it was wrong, only to get even more venom in response.

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* The manifestation of Helios spends the entire DLC tormenting Kratos with memories of all his wrongdoings, taking time to point out pretty much each and every sin on his hands and the horrible consequences of his actions in Greece. While Kratos tries to act unmoved by the taunting, it's clear that each word is like another knife in the back. At one point, he works up the nerve to try and apologize for killing Helios, admitting that it was wrong, only for the god to get even more venom in response.venomously ''demand'' that he never try that again, a clear reflection of what Kratos believes everyone thinks of him: that he is BeyondRedemption.

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** The Cyclops where once simple island shepherds that were enslaved during the first Titan War for their strength, a role they were continually exploited for long after it ended.

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** Kratos writes that Wraiths are the disembodied souls of those who went unburied, or were buried improperly, leaving them trapped in anguish between life and death. It's any wonder they are so aggressive in battle.
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* Another collectible is a statue of Pandora. Kratos acknowledges that she reminded him of Calliope, that she was innocent and regrets using her against Zeus.
** One small detail is that Hephaestus' name is never spoken outloud, he is only referred to as "The Blacksmith" in speech though the journal entry on the statue does mention him by name. It seems Kratos does feel immense guilt about ending his life, especially since all he did to oppose Kratos was to protect Pandora from him to use against Zeus.
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* The new codex entires also expand on the lore on the monsters Kratos fought back in Greece which had previously gone unremarked upon, which paints them in a [[TragicMonster new light]].

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* The new codex entires also expand on the lore on the monsters Kratos fought back in Greece which had previously gone unremarked upon, which paints them in a [[TragicMonster new light]]. **The Cyclops where once simple island shepherds that were enslaved during the first Titan War for their strength, a role they were continually exploited for long after it ended.

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** Not all Centaur's were violent beasts, some were originally peaceful winemakers and poets who [[TrainingThePeacefulVillage reluctantly took up arms]] to protect their lands from invasion, and were from then on sought out for the talent they displayed in doing so.

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** Not all Centaur's were violent beasts, some were originally peaceful winemakers and poets who [[TrainingThePeacefulVillage [[TrainingThePeacefulVillagers reluctantly took up arms]] to protect their lands from invasion, and were from then on sought out for the talent they displayed in doing so.
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*The new codex entires also expand on the lore on the monsters Kratos fought back in Greece which had previously gone unremarked upon, which paints them in a [[TragicMonster new light]]. **The Cyclops where once simple island shepherds that were enslaved during the first Titan War for their strength, a role they were continually exploited for long after it ended.
**Not all Centaur's were violent beasts, some were originally peaceful winemakers and poets who [[TrainingThePeacefulVillage reluctantly took up arms]] to protect their lands from invasion, and were from then on sought out for the talent they displayed in doing so.

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* Another collectible is a necklace belonging to Lysandra, Kratos' first wife. He admits to Mimir that his feelings for her are complicated, which confuses Mimir initially. Kratos later explains that it's because whenever he sees Lysandra, he's reminded of his failures. Kratos says he loved her dearly, more than she even realized, and that she deserved a better husband than him.

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* Another collectible is a necklace belonging to Lysandra, Kratos' first wife. He admits to Mimir that his feelings for her are complicated, which confuses Mimir initially. Kratos later explains that it's because she was a good wife...but he was ''not'' a good husband. He had placed his military responsibilities above her needs, brushed off and dismissed her attempts to advise him, and frequently left her alone back home. So whenever he sees thinks of Lysandra, all he's reminded of is his failures. Kratos says that while it took her death for him to realize what he had taken for granted, he ''had'' loved her dearly, more than she even realized, and but it's this love that makes him admonish himself, mournfully stating that she deserved a better husband than him.


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** Even more tragic being the implications that Helios here is the personification of Kratos' self-hatred, and all his intrusive negative thoughts about his destructive past and his desire to move on and redeem himself from it. Manifested in Valhalla as the severed head of the only god to actually help Kratos because he could, only for Kratos to have later "rewarded" him for his selfless act by killing him without hesitation because Kratos believed he needed his power.
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-->'''Kratos:''' It would have cost me ''nothing'' to show him mercy. His life was in my hands. To be so ''casually cruel'', I... This man did ''nothing'' to me. And I treated his life ''as'' nothing. He was not a god who'd manipulated me, nor bound me in service. I...can not hide behind my thirst for revenge. He was just a man afraid for his life; attacked and swallowed by a monster by a monster he had ''no hope'' of defeating. But the hydra was just an animal. ''I showed him what a'' '''''true monster''''' ''looked like.''

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-->'''Kratos:''' It would have cost me ''nothing'' to show him mercy. His life was in my hands. To be so ''casually cruel'', I... This man did ''nothing'' to me. And I treated his life ''as'' nothing. He was not a god who'd manipulated me, nor bound me in service. I...can not hide behind my thirst for revenge. He was just a man afraid for his life; attacked and swallowed by a monster by a monster he had ''no hope'' of defeating. But the hydra was just an animal. ''I showed him what a'' '''''true monster''''' ''looked like.''

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* Another collectible is the key that Kratos got off the Boat Captain all the way back in the first game. Kratos once again reflects on that man, admitting to Mimir that he considers that moment his ''real'' StartOfDarkness. The Captain was just some random, innocent man who had never done anything to Kratos and saving him would've cost Kratos literally nothing, but Kratos callously dropped him to his death anyways out of nothing but petty sadism. The thought that he was ever that casually cruel visibly sickens Kratos to this day.
-->"But the hydra was just an animal. I showed him what a true monster looked like."

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* Another collectible is the key that Kratos got off the Boat Captain all the way back in the first game. Kratos once again reflects on that man, admitting to Mimir that he considers that moment what was once a wonderful BlackHumor joke [[CerebusRetcon has now become something Kratos looks back on with disgust and bitterness]], directed at his ''real'' StartOfDarkness. [[KickTheDog senseless cruelty]] not unlike the Olympian Pantheon. And that's why The Captain Captain's death has ''still'' haunted him even after all this time and even after he killed many mortals after him. Because he was just some random, innocent man who had never done anything to Kratos and saving him would've cost Kratos literally nothing, but Kratos callously dropped him to his death anyways out of nothing but petty sadism. The thought that he was ever that casually cruel visibly sickens Kratos to sadism.
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-->'''Kratos:''' It would have cost me ''nothing'' to show him mercy. His life was in my hands. To be so ''casually cruel'', I... This man did ''nothing'' to me. And I treated his life ''as'' nothing. He was not a god who'd manipulated me, nor bound me in service. I...can not hide behind my thirst for revenge. He was just a man afraid for his life; attacked and swallowed by a monster by a monster he had ''no hope'' of defeating. But
the hydra was just an animal. I ''I showed him what a true monster looked a'' '''''true monster''''' ''looked like."''
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* Another collectible was a necklace belonging to Lysandra, Kratos' first wife. He admits to Mimir that his feelings for her are complicated, which confuses him initially. Kratos later explains that it's because whenever he sees her, he's reminded of his failures. Kratos says he loved her dearly, more than she even realized, and deserved a better husband than him.

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* Another collectible was is a necklace belonging to Lysandra, Kratos' first wife. He admits to Mimir that his feelings for her are complicated, which confuses him Mimir initially. Kratos later explains that it's because whenever he sees her, Lysandra, he's reminded of his failures. Kratos says he loved her dearly, more than she even realized, and that she deserved a better husband than him.

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