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** Imagine how [[spoiler:his brother Saizo]] must feel. While their supports show that they weren't too close with one another due to their occupation, [[spoiler:Saizo already lost his own father in the past, and now he has to lose his brother too, leaving him all alone.]]
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--->[[spoiler:'''Peri''': Which one of you did this to Lady Elise?! ''I'll gut you!'']]
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** If [[http://fe14festivalofbondstranslations.tumblr.com/post/148827770073/hoshidan-festival-gunter-and-kana-m Gunter is Kana’s father]], Kana is just excited to spend time with the former and even says how he wants Gunter to always be with him. And then [[OldMaster Gunter]] falls silent, fully aware he can’t give Kana what he’s asking for.
--->'''Kana:''' I love you a lot, Papa. Someday, I want to be a strong, great guy respected by everyone, just like you are. That’s my dream! And I always want to be with you, Papa. Always!
--->'''Gunter:''' ……
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'''Kanna:''' Because… You look like you’re having more fun with them instead of me…\\

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'''Kanna:''' '''Kana:''' Because… You look like you’re having more fun with them instead of me…\\



'''Kanna:''' It ''is'' like that. There’s no common topic between us that we can talk about… But with Mama and all the other uncles and aunts, you have a lot of different conversations, right? I’m not an idiot… Even I can see that much…

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'''Kanna:''' '''Kana:''' It ''is'' like that. There’s no common topic between us that we can talk about… But with Mama and all the other uncles and aunts, you have a lot of different conversations, right? I’m not an idiot… Even I can see that much…



'''Kanna:''' ...Okay. I’ll tell the truth. I don’t just want for Papa to teach me how to use a bow.\\

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'''Kanna:''' ...'''Kana:''' ...Okay. I’ll tell the truth. I don’t just want for Papa to teach me how to use a bow.\\



'''Kanna:''' Because if it’s not about archery, then Papa and I wouldn’t spend any time together…

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'''Kanna:''' '''Kana:''' Because if it’s not about archery, then Papa and I wouldn’t spend any time together…
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-->'''Takumi:''' Wait a minute… What’s with that sad face…\\

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-->'''Takumi:''' --->'''Takumi:''' Wait a minute… What’s with that sad face…\\

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** If Ryoma is Kana's father, the latter is utterly shocked when Ryoma asks if he would like to spend time together. Kana is hesitant to accept, which leads Ryoma to ask if Kana doesn't want to be around him. Kana denies this, but says that Ryoma should go talk to his siblings, because he clearly has more fun around them than with him. Ryoma tries to refute this, but Kana bitterly responds that it's blatantly clear and that he's not an idiot.

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** If [[http://fe14festivalofbondstranslations.tumblr.com/post/149982409378/hoshidan-festival-ryoma-and-kanna-parent-child Ryoma is Kana's father, father]], the latter is utterly shocked when Ryoma asks if he would like to spend time together. Kana is hesitant to accept, which leads Ryoma to ask if Kana doesn't want to be around him. Kana denies this, but says that Ryoma should go talk to his siblings, because he clearly has more fun around them than with him. Ryoma tries to refute this, but Kana bitterly responds that it's blatantly clear and that he's not an idiot.


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** If [[http://fe14festivalofbondstranslations.tumblr.com/post/145720188008/hoshidan-festival-takumi-and-kanna-parent-child Takumi is Kana's father]], then Kana begs Takumi to give him archery lessons. When Takumi asks why, Kana admits that he feels as though it's the only way he'll get to spend time with him because Takumi doesn't seem to be interested in the festival.
-->'''Takumi:''' Wait a minute… What’s with that sad face…\\
'''Kanna:''' ...Okay. I’ll tell the truth. I don’t just want for Papa to teach me how to use a bow.\\
'''Takumi:''' Eh?\\
'''Kanna:''' Because if it’s not about archery, then Papa and I wouldn’t spend any time together…
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* Although the Hoshidan Festival Scramble DLC is mostly smiles and giggles, there's also a few sad moments to go around.
** If Ryoma is Kana's father, the latter is utterly shocked when Ryoma asks if he would like to spend time together. Kana is hesitant to accept, which leads Ryoma to ask if Kana doesn't want to be around him. Kana denies this, but says that Ryoma should go talk to his siblings, because he clearly has more fun around them than with him. Ryoma tries to refute this, but Kana bitterly responds that it's blatantly clear and that he's not an idiot.
--->'''Kana:''' I think it would be best if Papa and Mama… spent time with your other siblings.\\
'''Ryoma:''' Hm? What would you think that?\\
'''Kanna:''' Because… You look like you’re having more fun with them instead of me…\\
'''Ryoma:''' It’s not like that at all. Why would you say that?\\
'''Kanna:''' It ''is'' like that. There’s no common topic between us that we can talk about… But with Mama and all the other uncles and aunts, you have a lot of different conversations, right? I’m not an idiot… Even I can see that much…
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* Speaking of Caeldori, her supports with Subaki are rather sad in their own way. Caeldori makes several remarks hinting that her perfectionism is partly an attempt to [[WellDoneSonGuy please her father and follow in his footsteps]]. This prompts Subaki to feel guilty and tell her that driving herself into the ground in her attempts to be "perfect" will only tear her up inside, and that he'd never want her to feel that way. It implies that Subaki is something of a StepfordSmiler, and considering how his ''own'' [[StageParent parents]] treated him, it probably hit really close to home to realize how Caeldori felt.
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* Chapter 15, in which the party attempts to avoid Nohrian forces by passing through Mount Garou, where they're accosted by a group of Wolfskin who believe the army is there for their pelts. Unlike how the situation with the Kitsune in ''Conquest'' turns out, the Avatar manages to convince Keaton to let them pass...only for a magical attack to strike and kill one of the other Wolfskin. Keaton turns to his fallen companion, futilely asking them to wake up, telling them "This isn't funny" before breaking down in tears and begging them to get up. He then turns against the group, stating that they were [[BerserkButton tricking him the whole time and he looks forward to killing all of them]].

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* Chapter 15, in which the party attempts to avoid Nohrian forces by passing through Mount Garou, where they're accosted by a group of Wolfskin who believe the army is there for their pelts. Unlike how the situation with the Kitsune in ''Conquest'' turns out, the Avatar manages to convince Keaton to let them pass...only for a magical attack (implied to be from [[KickTheDog Iago]]) to strike and kill one of the other Wolfskin. Keaton turns to his fallen companion, futilely asking them [[PleaseWakeUp to wake up, up]], telling them "This isn't funny" before breaking down in tears and begging them to get up. He then turns against the group, stating that they were [[BerserkButton tricking him the whole time and he looks forward to killing all of them]].
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* [[spoiler:Lilith's death.]] [[spoiler:She [[TakingtheBullet takes an attack meant for the Avatar]] and is changed back to her human form in both routes. She expresses how happy she was to have known them and how happy she was to be able to save them as they saved her and passes away peacefully while the Avatar is left in tears and is almost [[HeroicBSOD at the end of their rope after seeing so much death]] in ''Birthright'', almost crossing the DespairEventHorizon.]] Now go back to [[spoiler:her shrine]] in My Castle. [[spoiler:Instead of seeing the dragon alive and well, you see Lilith's kerchief [[ShrineToTheFallen laid out on her spot.]] WORSE if you know Lilith's origins, where she's revealed to be [[spoiler:Dragon!Anankos' madness personified, so she's, in a sense, the Avatar's true sister, and they have no idea]].

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* [[spoiler:Lilith's death.]] [[spoiler:She [[TakingtheBullet takes an attack meant for the Avatar]] and is changed back to her human form in both routes. She expresses how happy she was to have known them and how happy she was to be able to save them as they saved her and passes away peacefully while the Avatar is left in tears and is almost [[HeroicBSOD at the end of their rope after seeing so much death]] in ''Birthright'', almost crossing the DespairEventHorizon.]] Now go back to [[spoiler:her shrine]] in My Castle. [[spoiler:Instead of seeing the dragon alive and well, you see Lilith's kerchief [[ShrineToTheFallen laid out on her spot.spot]].]] WORSE It's even ''worse'' if you know Lilith's [[spoiler:Lilith]]'s origins, where she's revealed to be [[spoiler:Dragon!Anankos' madness personified, so she's, in a sense, the Avatar's true sister, and they have no idea]].

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* [[http://nanigma.tumblr.com/post/142351893102/subakitakumi Takumi's support with Subaki in the Nohrian Festival of Bonds]] hits once more on his feelings of insecurity. This time, it also shows just how much trouble Takumi has relaxing around others, creating another strong sign that he is also suffering from anxiety on top of all of his other complexes. He nearly ends up breaking down in front of Subaki over how much of a failure this makes him feel. [[spoiler:Special mention goes to him lamenting his inability to trust others, [[HarsherInHindsight which is especially haunting for those who played ''Conquest'']].]] It ends on a heartwarming note when Subaki reassures him and tells him he wants to become friends regardless of any of Takumi's flaws, perceived or otherwise.

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* [[http://nanigma.tumblr.com/post/142351893102/subakitakumi Takumi's support with Subaki in the Nohrian Festival of Bonds]] hits once more on his feelings of insecurity. This time, it also shows just how much trouble Takumi has relaxing around others, creating another strong sign that he is also suffering from anxiety on top of all of his other complexes. He nearly ends up breaking down in front of Subaki over how much of a failure this makes him feel. [[spoiler:Special mention goes to him lamenting his inability to trust others, [[HarsherInHindsight which is especially haunting for those those]] who played ''Conquest'']].''Conquest''.]] It ends on a heartwarming note when Subaki reassures him and tells him he wants to become friends regardless of any of Takumi's flaws, perceived or otherwise.



* [[spoiler:The fact that the Heirs of Fate counterparts of the children have different {{Famous Last Words}} than what they'd usually say if they were killed in the final map. All of their death quotes lament not being about to fight to the end; some of them encourage the others to keep fighting, while the Kanas and Shigure tearfully apologize that they've failed everyone for falling.]]

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** As an added shot to the nuts for anyone who beat ''Conquest'', [[spoiler:Takumi is once again packing the special bow he wielded as the FinalBoss of that route]].
* [[spoiler:The fact that the Heirs ''Heirs of Fate Fate'' counterparts of the children have different {{Famous Last Words}} FamousLastWords than what they'd usually say if they were killed in the final map. All of their death quotes lament not being about to fight to the end; some of them encourage the others to keep fighting, while the Kanas and Shigure tearfully apologize that they've failed everyone for falling.]]
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* The S-Support between Orochi and Saizo has a rather unexpected turn, for a chain [[MoodWhiplash that until then had been comedic]]. [[spoiler: Orochi, who once chased around a young Saizo because of a supposed disgrace that would befall him (and caused him to be terrified of her omens), realizes what that disgrace ''actually'' was... It was her foreseeing [[DisappearedDad the death of Saizo's *father*]]. She apologizes to him and not only Saizo forgives her, but he says that in his fear of Orochi's fortunetelling, he ''also'' couldn't do anything about it. Both of them conclude that even if they did get it right, they might not have been able to do anything to save him.]]

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* The S-Support between Orochi and Saizo has a rather unexpected turn, for a chain [[MoodWhiplash that until then had been comedic]]. [[spoiler: Orochi, who once chased around a young Saizo because of a supposed disgrace that would befall him (and caused him to be terrified of her omens), [[OhCrap realizes what that disgrace ''actually'' was... disgrace]] ''[[MyGodWhatHaveIDone actually]]'' [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone was]]... It was her foreseeing [[DisappearedDad the death of Kaze and Saizo's *father*]]. She apologizes to him Saizo and not only Saizo forgives her, but he says that in his fear of Orochi's fortunetelling, he ''also'' couldn't do anything about it. [[YouCantFightFate Both of them conclude that even if they did get it right, they might not have been able to do anything to save him.him]].]]
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** You know what makes it worse? Fighting the siblings with the Avatar. Their reactions are all heartbreaking, ranging from angry accusations of betrayal to despairingly wondering ''why'' this is happening, and the Avatar is clearly racked with guilt and horror. [[PlayerPunch Going after the little sisters, who can't even fight back]], is possibly the most gut-wrenching -- and even worse, it's ''necessary'' to attack Sakura on ''Conquest'', unless one wants to fight [[ThatOneBoss Ryoma]].
** And if you thought picking [[TakeAThirdOption neither side]] would spare you heartbreak, think again! You get the exact same reactions as above, but from ''both'' families this time. It's a painful double-whammy, especially when the chapter ends with both countries labeling the Avatar a traitor and ordering a hunt on their head, despite their desperate protestations that they ''aren't'', they just can't bear to fight ''either'' of them.

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** You know what makes it worse? Fighting the siblings with the Avatar. Their reactions are all heartbreaking, ranging from angry accusations of betrayal to despairingly wondering ''why'' this is happening, and the Avatar is clearly racked wracked with guilt and horror. [[PlayerPunch Going after the little sisters, who can't even fight back]], is possibly the most gut-wrenching -- and even worse, it's ''necessary'' to attack Sakura on ''Conquest'', unless one wants to fight [[ThatOneBoss Ryoma]].
** And if you thought picking [[TakeAThirdOption neither side]] would spare you heartbreak, think again! You get the exact same reactions as above, but from ''both'' families this time. It's a painful double-whammy, especially when [[NeutralityBacklash the chapter ends with both countries labeling the Avatar a traitor and ordering a hunt on their head, head]], despite their desperate protestations that they ''aren't'', they just can't bear to fight ''either'' of them.



** On ''Conquest'', Takumi leads an invasion of a peaceful Nohr port town in a RoaringRampageOfRevenge for the Avatar's betrayal and Ryoma resorts to blackmail [[spoiler:(i.e keeping the Avatar out of the only place with medicine to cure the ''dying'' Elise)]] to get them to go back to Hoshido, while Hinoka's FantasticRacism towards Nohr gets worse. Even when Sakura does not hate the Avatar, she has to [[ReluctantWarrior fight them and their group]] and she's clearly ''not'' happy but still willing to do so.

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** On ''Conquest'', Takumi leads an invasion of a peaceful Nohr port town in a RoaringRampageOfRevenge for the Avatar's betrayal and Ryoma resorts to blackmail [[spoiler:(i.e keeping the Avatar out of the only place with medicine to cure the ''dying'' Elise)]] to get them to go back to Hoshido, while Hinoka's FantasticRacism towards Nohr gets worse. Even when Sakura does not hate the Avatar, she has to [[ReluctantWarrior fight them and their group]] group]], and she's clearly ''not'' happy but still willing to do so.
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[[spoiler:'''Elise''': Nohr needs more from you... Not just your strength... (groans in pain) What we need.... And a warm hand... and tears.]]\\

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[[spoiler:'''Elise''': Nohr needs more from you... Not just your strength... (groans in pain) What we need.... And need...is caring... and a warm hand... and tears.]]\\

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-->'''Jakob:''' [[spoiler:Flora! Stop this madness at once and return to your senses. You've embarrassed me more than enough for one lifetime.]]
-->'''Flora''': [[spoiler:Jakob... I wish it didn't have to be this way. I wish we could have just stayed in the fortress... Happily serving Lord/Lady Avatar until we were old and gray... We could have had a future together. Just know that I'll always regret this.]]
-->'''Jakob''': [[spoiler:What? I can't hear you over this ridiculous snowstorm.]]
-->'''Flora:''' [[spoiler:That's just as well. It's fitting that my hopes and dreams should blow away in the wind...]]

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-->'''Jakob:''' --->'''Jakob:''' [[spoiler:Flora! Stop this madness at once and return to your senses. You've embarrassed me more than enough for one lifetime.]]
-->'''Flora''':
]]\\
'''Flora''':
[[spoiler:Jakob... I wish it didn't have to be this way. I wish we could have just stayed in the fortress... Happily serving Lord/Lady Avatar until we were old and gray... We could have had a future together. Just know that I'll always regret this.]]
-->'''Jakob''':
]]\\
'''Jakob''':
[[spoiler:What? I can't hear you over this ridiculous snowstorm.]]
-->'''Flora:'''
]]\\
'''Flora:'''
[[spoiler:That's just as well. It's fitting that my hopes and dreams should blow away in the wind...]]



-->'''Mikoto''': [[FamousLastWords You were not hurt? Tell me you're OK.]]
-->'''Avatar''': I'm fine...
-->'''Mikoto''': [[FamousLastWords I'm... so glad...]]
-->''(Mikoto dies, and the Avatar weeps bitterly before screaming...)''
-->'''Avatar''': MOTHER!!!!

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-->'''Mikoto''': --->'''Mikoto''': [[FamousLastWords You were not hurt? Tell me you're OK.]]
-->'''Avatar''':
]]\\
'''Avatar''':
I'm fine...
-->'''Mikoto''':
fine...\\
'''Mikoto''':
[[FamousLastWords I'm... so glad...]]
-->''(Mikoto
]]\\
''(Mikoto
dies, and the Avatar weeps bitterly before screaming...)''
-->'''Avatar''':
)''\\
'''Avatar''':
MOTHER!!!!



-->'''Xander:''' [[spoiler:I love you.]] If it were for your sake, I wouldn't care if [[spoiler:I were to be killed, as long as I could see you in my final moments]].
-->'''Takumi:''' [[spoiler:I love you.]] If there were another world in which [[spoiler:I raised a hand against you… at that time, kill me to stop me]]. Promise me that you will definitely do that.

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-->'''Xander:''' [[spoiler:I love you.]] If it were for your sake, I wouldn't care if [[spoiler:I were to be killed, as long as I could see you in my final moments]].
-->'''Takumi:'''
moments]].\\
'''Takumi:'''
[[spoiler:I love you.]] If there were another world in which [[spoiler:I raised a hand against you… at that time, kill me to stop me]]. Promise me that you will definitely do that.



-->"I'm happy that you're always minding after me. I'm honored to have a master like you. [[spoiler:If I were to ever do something to betray you... I've sworn to atone for it with my death.]]"

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-->"I'm --->"I'm happy that you're always minding after me. I'm honored to have a master like you. [[spoiler:If I were to ever do something to betray you... I've sworn to atone for it with my death.]]"



-->"Even if one of us were to die, we'd have to keep going. We have a duty to save the world...but I don't want you to die. [[spoiler:I'd rather die myself, if it meant the world still had you in it.]]"

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-->"Even --->"Even if one of us were to die, we'd have to keep going. We have a duty to save the world...but I don't want you to die. [[spoiler:I'd rather die myself, if it meant the world still had you in it.]]"



-->"A double-edged blade [[SenselessSacrifice cuts your heart in two...]]" for ''Birthright'', which is supposed to be the "moral" path.
-->"Gaze upon an empty white throne/A legacy of lies/A familiar disguise" from ''Conquest'' is about how [[spoiler:the madman of a ruler, Garon, is really just a husk for Anankos, and that the entire war he started was futile]].

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-->"A --->"A double-edged blade [[SenselessSacrifice cuts your heart in two...]]" for ''Birthright'', which is supposed to be the "moral" path.
-->"Gaze
path.\\
"Gaze
upon an empty white throne/A legacy of lies/A familiar disguise" from ''Conquest'' is about how [[spoiler:the madman of a ruler, Garon, is really just a husk for Anankos, and that the entire war he started was futile]].



* In the endgames of ''Birthright'' and ''Conquest'', when the FinalBoss [[spoiler: sort of kills you, you get all of your current allies begging you to come back.]] Most of them sound hopeful or optimistic that you'll return. Kana?
-->'''Kana''': Mama/Papa, don’t leave me! I promise I’ll be a good boy/girl from now on!! Please… *sob*



-->'''Sakura''': Avatar! Are you r-really gonna fight me right now? What did I ever do to you? All I wanted was to l-love you!
-->'''Avatar''': Sakura, I'm so sorry for all this. You didn't do anything wrong, I promise. It's difficult to explain, but I just need you to...um, take a little nap right now.
-->'''Sakura''': Brother/Sister, no...

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-->'''Sakura''': Avatar! Are you r-really gonna fight me right now? What did I ever do to you? All I wanted was to l-love you!
-->'''Avatar''':
you!\\
'''Avatar''':
Sakura, I'm so sorry for all this. You didn't do anything wrong, I promise. It's difficult to explain, but I just need you to...um, take a little nap right now.
-->'''Sakura''':
now.\\
'''Sakura''':
Brother/Sister, no...



* The final invasion of Hoshido in the last few chapters is both intense and highly tragic. One by one, the Avatar has to fight through their Hoshidan siblings, who are all angry and depressed over having to face them again for the last time, but there's nothing they can do to stop them as their beloved homeland is ripped away by their long-lost sibling. The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVZKP6DOeDM music]] that plays in the background only emphasizes the tragedy of it all. Even worse, [[spoiler:[[WellIntentionedExtremist the Avatar has a perfectly good reason getting Garon to the throne of Hoshido]], but by this point [[PoorCommunicationKills it's likely the Hoshidan royals would never believe them.]]]]

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* The final invasion of Hoshido in the last few chapters is both intense and highly tragic. One by one, the Avatar has to fight through their Hoshidan siblings, who are all angry and depressed over having to face them again for the last time, but there's nothing they can do to stop them as their beloved homeland is ripped away by their long-lost sibling. The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVZKP6DOeDM music]] that plays in the background only emphasizes the tragedy of it all. Even worse, [[spoiler:[[WellIntentionedExtremist the Avatar has a perfectly good reason for getting Garon to the throne of Hoshido]], but by this point [[PoorCommunicationKills it's likely the Hoshidan royals would never believe them.]]]]



-->'''Sakura:''' Avatar!
-->'''Avatar:''' Sakura... I didn't expect you to be here. But if you insist on blocking our way, I won't back down.
-->'''Sakura:''' I know... And I know I probably can't w-win against you, either. But as a princess, I have to at least try to protect my kingdom! So r-ready your sword. It's time to battle!
-->'''Avatar:''' As you wish.
-->'''Sakura:''' This is the first time we'll really be fighting, A-Avatar. I wish... we were fighting side by side instead...
** Sakura's battle dialogue with Azura somehow manages to be even worse as two sisters who love each other are forced to battle
-->'''Sakura:''' Azura!
-->'''Azura:''' Sakura... I'm surprised to see you here. When did you learn to fight?
-->'''Sakura:''' After M-Mother died, I began training, so I could protect the ones I love. I won't let anyone get past me - not even you!
-->'''Azura:''' I see. I always knew you would grow into a strong woman. I'm happy to see you like this, Sakura. Whatever happens, I'm proud of you.
-->'''Sakura:''' Azura... *sniff... sniff... * My... sister...
-->'''Azura:''' Don't cry, Sakura. This is a battlefield, and we are at war. Ready your weapon, dear Sister. Show me how strong you've become.
-->'''Sakura:''' *sniff* OK! Let's b-begin!

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-->'''Sakura:''' Avatar!
-->'''Avatar:'''
--->'''Sakura:''' Avatar!\\
'''Avatar:'''
Sakura... I didn't expect you to be here. But if you insist on blocking our way, I won't back down.
-->'''Sakura:'''
down.\\
'''Sakura:'''
I know... And I know I probably can't w-win against you, either. But as a princess, I have to at least try to protect my kingdom! So r-ready your sword. It's time to battle!
-->'''Avatar:'''
battle!\\
'''Avatar:'''
As you wish.
-->'''Sakura:'''
wish.\\
'''Sakura:'''
This is the first time we'll really be fighting, A-Avatar. I wish... we were fighting side by side instead...
** Sakura's battle dialogue with Azura somehow manages to be even worse as two sisters who love each other are forced to battle
-->'''Sakura:''' Azura!
-->'''Azura:'''
battle.
--->'''Sakura:''' Azura!\\
'''Azura:'''
Sakura... I'm surprised to see you here. When did you learn to fight?
-->'''Sakura:'''
fight?\\
'''Sakura:'''
After M-Mother died, I began training, so I could protect the ones I love. I won't let anyone get past me - not even you!
-->'''Azura:'''
you!\\
'''Azura:'''
I see. I always knew you would grow into a strong woman. I'm happy to see you like this, Sakura. Whatever happens, I'm proud of you.
-->'''Sakura:'''
you.\\
'''Sakura:'''
Azura... *sniff... sniff... * My... sister...
-->'''Azura:'''
sister...\\
'''Azura:'''
Don't cry, Sakura. This is a battlefield, and we are at war. Ready your weapon, dear Sister. Show me how strong you've become.
-->'''Sakura:'''
become.\\
'''Sakura:'''
*sniff* OK! Let's b-begin!



-->'''Hana:''' You're finally here, Lord/Lady Avatar! I am Hana, Lady Sakura's retainer. I'll have your head on a platter!
-->'''Avatar:''' Huh?!
-->'''Hana:''' I could never, ever forgive you after what you did to Lady Mikoto! You tried to destroy Hoshido, and you made Lady Sakura sad... Do you have any idea how many nights she cried herself to sleep over you?! That's why I won't be satisfied... Not until I kill you myself!
-->'''Avatar:''' Um... are you crying?
-->'''Hana:''' [[SandInMyEyes Sh-shut up! Samurai don't cry! You're just trying to distract me!]] I won't cry, and I won't lose! You won't hurt my beloved Sakura ever again! You absolutely WILL NOT make it past me. You won't, you won't, you won't!!

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-->'''Hana:''' --->'''Hana:''' You're finally here, Lord/Lady Avatar! I am Hana, Lady Sakura's retainer. I'll have your head on a platter!
-->'''Avatar:''' Huh?!
-->'''Hana:'''
platter!\\
'''Avatar:''' Huh?!\\
'''Hana:'''
I could never, ever forgive you after what you did to Lady Mikoto! You tried to destroy Hoshido, and you made Lady Sakura sad... Do you have any idea how many nights she cried herself to sleep over you?! That's why I won't be satisfied... Not until I kill you myself!
-->'''Avatar:'''
myself!\\
'''Avatar:'''
Um... are you crying?
-->'''Hana:'''
crying?\\
'''Hana:'''
[[SandInMyEyes Sh-shut up! Samurai don't cry! You're just trying to distract me!]] I won't cry, and I won't lose! You won't hurt my beloved Sakura ever again! You absolutely WILL NOT make it past me. You won't, you won't, you won't!!



-->'''Subaki:''' Lord/Lady Avatar, I presume? The sweet, wonderful, mysterious-yet-charming big brother/sister of Lady Sakura? It's an honor to finally make your acquaintance.
-->'''Avatar:''' Erm... Come again?
-->'''Subaki:''' Oh, Lady Sakura said those things about you after you two met. She wouldn't stop saying those things, as it were. Even after you left. As her retainer, I make it my business to remember such details.
-->'''Avatar:''' Sakura... She really said all that?
-->'''Subaki:''' Yes. She seems to have nothing but the highest opinion of you. She was devastated after you betrayed her.
-->'''Avatar:''' ...
-->'''Subaki:''' Worry not. All will be as it should once I send you to your grave. I cannot bear to ever see that sad look in her eyes again. The one YOU caused. So, shall we begin?
* In the endgame, when Takumi [[spoiler: sort of kills you, you get all of your current allies begging you to come back.]] Most of them sound hopeful or optimistic that you'll return. Kana?
-->'''Kana''': Mama/Papa, don’t leave me! I promise I’ll be a good boy/girl from now on!! Please… *sob*

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-->'''Subaki:''' --->'''Subaki:''' Lord/Lady Avatar, I presume? The sweet, wonderful, mysterious-yet-charming big brother/sister of Lady Sakura? It's an honor to finally make your acquaintance.
-->'''Avatar:'''
acquaintance.\\
'''Avatar:'''
Erm... Come again?
-->'''Subaki:'''
again?\\
'''Subaki:'''
Oh, Lady Sakura said those things about you after you two met. She wouldn't stop saying those things, as it were. Even after you left. As her retainer, I make it my business to remember such details.
-->'''Avatar:'''
details.\\
'''Avatar:'''
Sakura... She really said all that?
-->'''Subaki:'''
that?\\
'''Subaki:'''
Yes. She seems to have nothing but the highest opinion of you. She was devastated after you betrayed her.
-->'''Avatar:''' ...
-->'''Subaki:'''
her.\\
'''Avatar:''' ...\\
'''Subaki:'''
Worry not. All will be as it should once I send you to your grave. I cannot bear to ever see that sad look in her eyes again. The one YOU caused. So, shall we begin?
* In the endgame, when Takumi [[spoiler: sort of kills you, you get all of your current allies begging you to come back.]] Most of them sound hopeful or optimistic that you'll return. Kana?
-->'''Kana''': Mama/Papa, don’t leave me! I promise I’ll be a good boy/girl from now on!! Please… *sob*
begin?



* The invasion of Nohr is just as sad as invading Hoshido in ''Conquest'' as despite being on the [[ALighterShadeOfGrey lighter shade of grey]] side, many more sympathetic Nohrians end up dying either as collateral damage or due to PoorCommunicationKills the further you go, and if you've played "Conquest", [[spoiler:you know the Garon who started the war isn't really Garon at all, just his corpse turned into a monster, so in many ways Nohr is just as much a victim in all this as Hoshido is]].

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* The invasion of Nohr is just as sad as invading Hoshido in ''Conquest'' as despite being on the [[ALighterShadeOfGrey lighter shade of grey]] side, many more sympathetic Nohrians end up dying either as collateral damage or due to PoorCommunicationKills the further you go, and if you've played "Conquest", ''Conquest'', [[spoiler:you know the Garon who started the war isn't really Garon at all, just his corpse turned into a monster, so in many ways Nohr is just as much a victim in all this as Hoshido is]].



-->[[spoiler:'''Xander''': Very well. You will die fighting for your cause, I shall defend my homeland!]]
-->[[spoiler:''(Xander attempts to strike the Avatar down, but ends up unintentionally hitting Elise instead. Shocked, he runs over to her.)]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Xander''': Elise! Elise! Please speak to me!]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Elise''': Xander... Your sword... Lay it down for me... ]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Xander''': (gasps)]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Elise''': Nohr needs more from you... Not just your strength... (groans in pain) What we need.... And a warm hand... and tears.]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Xander''': -[[SingleTear begins crying]]-]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Elise''': That's the way. Try to be at peace... (dies)]]
*** And then, there's [[spoiler:his final chat with his younger sibling]].
-->[[spoiler:'''Xander''': You have already prevailed, little prince(ss). Don't you see? I couldn't lead this world... or Nohr... into peace. But you... you can. And you will. You can do the things I couldn't. That's how you'll surpass me... In the end... I'm counting on you, Avatar.... Father.... Garon... he's.... he's... *cough* *cough* He's not what he used to be... ]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Avatar''': Xander... I think I understand. I promise to stop him!]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Xander''': Thank you, Avatar. Now, it's time... to say good-bye... Please... don't cry...]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Avatar''': No.... Xander? XANDER! *sob*]]

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-->[[spoiler:'''Xander''': --->[[spoiler:'''Xander''': Very well. You will die fighting for your cause, I shall defend my homeland!]]
-->[[spoiler:''(Xander
homeland!]]\\
[[spoiler:''(Xander
attempts to strike the Avatar down, but ends up unintentionally hitting Elise instead. Shocked, he runs over to her.)]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Xander''':
)'']]\\
[[spoiler:'''Xander''':
Elise! Elise! Please speak to me!]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Elise''':
me!]]\\
[[spoiler:'''Elise''':
Xander... Your sword... Lay it down for me... ]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Xander''': (gasps)]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Elise''':
]]\\
[[spoiler:'''Xander''': (gasps)]]\\
[[spoiler:'''Elise''':
Nohr needs more from you... Not just your strength... (groans in pain) What we need.... And a warm hand... and tears.]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Xander''':
]]\\
[[spoiler:'''Xander''':
-[[SingleTear begins crying]]-]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Elise''':
crying]]-]]\\
[[spoiler:'''Elise''':
That's the way. Try to be at peace... (dies)]]
*** ** And then, there's [[spoiler:his final chat with his younger sibling]].
-->[[spoiler:'''Xander''': --->[[spoiler:'''Xander''': You have already prevailed, little prince(ss). Don't you see? I couldn't lead this world... or Nohr... into peace. But you... you can. And you will. You can do the things I couldn't. That's how you'll surpass me... In the end... I'm counting on you, Avatar.... Father.... Garon... he's.... he's... *cough* *cough* He's not what he used to be... ]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Avatar''':
]]\\
[[spoiler:'''Avatar''':
Xander... I think I understand. I promise to stop him!]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Xander''':
him!]]\\
[[spoiler:'''Xander''':
Thank you, Avatar. Now, it's time... to say good-bye... Please... don't cry...]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Avatar''':
]]\\
[[spoiler:'''Avatar''':
No.... Xander? XANDER! *sob*]]



-->''You are the ocean's gray waves, destined to seek\\

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-->''You --->''You are the ocean's gray waves, destined to seek\\



-->''No matter which path is chosen\\

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-->''No --->''No matter which path is chosen\\



-->'''Silas:''' Camilla, you must understand. I am also extremely close with Avatar. And I know how much he/she cares about you and appreciates your words of love. I do, however, know of another person desperate to hear those words from you...
-->'''Camilla:''' Oh? I can't imagine who.
-->'''Silas:''' This person truly desires your love and admiration.
-->'''Camilla:''' Well, who could it be? Leo? Elise? You don't mean... Xander?
-->'''Silas:''' No, none of them. Camilla... [[spoiler:[[WhamLine I speak of myself]]]].

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-->'''Silas:''' Camilla, you must understand. I am also extremely close with Avatar. And I know how much he/she cares about you and appreciates your words of love. I do, however, know of another person desperate to hear those words from you...
-->'''Camilla:'''
you...\\
'''Camilla:'''
Oh? I can't imagine who.
-->'''Silas:'''
who.\\
'''Silas:'''
This person truly desires your love and admiration.
-->'''Camilla:'''
admiration.\\
'''Camilla:'''
Well, who could it be? Leo? Elise? You don't mean... Xander?
-->'''Silas:'''
Xander?\\
'''Silas:'''
No, none of them. Camilla... [[spoiler:[[WhamLine I speak of myself]]]].



-->'''Azama''': I was [[JustFollowingOrders just following orders]]. [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone Orders that I wish I had disobeyed]], [[BrutalHonesty to be perfectly frank]]. You're a kind person, but I fear that one day your kindness will be your downfall.
-->'''Hinoka''': Azama...
-->'''Azama''': I'm sorry. Of all the things I have said to you...and WILL say to you in the future... I believe that may have crossed a line. May you never lose your fragile innocence.

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-->'''Azama''': I was [[JustFollowingOrders just following orders]]. [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone Orders that I wish I had disobeyed]], [[BrutalHonesty to be perfectly frank]]. You're a kind person, but I fear that one day your kindness will be your downfall.
-->'''Hinoka''': Azama...
-->'''Azama''':
downfall.\\
'''Hinoka''': Azama...\\
'''Azama''':
I'm sorry. Of all the things I have said to you...and WILL say to you in the future... I believe that may have crossed a line. May you never lose your fragile innocence.



-->"Do you think there might be alternate realities? Other mes, other yous? [whispers] I love us in this one."

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-->"Do --->"Do you think there might be alternate realities? Other mes, other yous? [whispers] I love us in this one."



-->'''[[spoiler:Soul!Anankos]]:''' I want that more than anything.

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-->'''[[spoiler:Soul!Anankos]]:''' --->'''[[spoiler:Soul!Anankos]]:''' I want that more than anything.
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* The Chapter 6 decision [[PlayerPunch will hurt regardless of which side you choose.]] Either you side with Hoshido and get [[EtTuBrute Xander lamenting the Avatar betraying their family]], or side with Nohr and have Ryoma [[WhatTheHellHero brutally rebuke them for supporting the country that]] [[spoiler:murdered Mikoto and countless innocent people]]. Xander's is possibly sadder, as he's seeing the person he'd loved and cared for as a sibling all his life become his enemy, and unlike Ryoma, he's [[ApologeticAttacker incredibly hesitant about fighting them]], only doing it when he feels he has no choice. The ArmorPiercingQuestion the Avatar gives him: [[spoiler:did Garon ''really'' care for them if he sent the Avatar into Hoshido with Ganglari, KNOWING the sword's explosion would most likely kill them?]] and them calling his father Garon a monster just twists the knife further. On the Hoshidan side, Ryoma, Hinoka, Takumi and Sakura have just been reunited with their long-lost sibling, only for him/her to turn on them, which hits Hinoka ''especially'' hard since she's been searching for the Avatar all her life, and she even laments that all her life's training has been pointless. The SadBattleMusic does ''not'' help.
** You know what makes it worse? Fighting the siblings with the Avatar. Their reactions are all heartbreaking, ranging from angry accusations of betrayal to despairingly wondering ''why'' this is happening, and the Avatar is clearly racked with guilt and horror. [[PlayerPunch Going after the little sisters, who can't even fight back]], is possibly the most gut-wrenching--and even worse, it's ''necessary'' to attack Sakura on ''Conquest'', unless one wants to fight [[ThatOneBoss Ryoma]].

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* The Chapter 6 decision [[PlayerPunch will hurt regardless of which side you choose.]] Either you side with Hoshido and get [[EtTuBrute Xander lamenting the Avatar betraying their family]], or side with Nohr and have Ryoma [[WhatTheHellHero brutally rebuke them for supporting the country that]] [[spoiler:murdered Mikoto and countless innocent people]]. Xander's is possibly sadder, as he's seeing the person he'd loved and cared for as a sibling all his life become his enemy, and unlike Ryoma, he's [[ApologeticAttacker incredibly hesitant about fighting them]], only doing it when he feels he has no choice. The ArmorPiercingQuestion the Avatar gives him: [[spoiler:did Garon ''really'' care for them if he sent the Avatar into Hoshido with Ganglari, KNOWING the sword's explosion would most likely kill them?]] and them Them calling his father Garon a monster just twists the knife further. On the Hoshidan side, Ryoma, Hinoka, Takumi Takumi, and Sakura have just been reunited with their long-lost sibling, only for him/her to turn on them, which hits Hinoka ''especially'' hard since she's been searching for the Avatar all her life, and she even laments that all her life's training has been pointless. The SadBattleMusic does ''not'' help.
** You know what makes it worse? Fighting the siblings with the Avatar. Their reactions are all heartbreaking, ranging from angry accusations of betrayal to despairingly wondering ''why'' this is happening, and the Avatar is clearly racked with guilt and horror. [[PlayerPunch Going after the little sisters, who can't even fight back]], is possibly the most gut-wrenching--and gut-wrenching -- and even worse, it's ''necessary'' to attack Sakura on ''Conquest'', unless one wants to fight [[ThatOneBoss Ryoma]].



** On ''Conquest'', Takumi leads an invasion of a peaceful Nohr port town in RoaringRampageOfRevenge for the Avatar's betrayal and Ryoma resorts to blackmail [[spoiler:i.e keeping the Avatar out of the only place with medicine to cure the ''dying'' Elise]] to get them to go back to Hoshido, while Hinoka's FantasticRacism towards Nohr gets worse. Even when Sakura does not hate the Avatar, she has to [[ReluctantWarrior fight them and their group]] and she's clearly ''not'' happy but still willing to do so.

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** On ''Conquest'', Takumi leads an invasion of a peaceful Nohr port town in a RoaringRampageOfRevenge for the Avatar's betrayal and Ryoma resorts to blackmail [[spoiler:i.[[spoiler:(i.e keeping the Avatar out of the only place with medicine to cure the ''dying'' Elise]] Elise)]] to get them to go back to Hoshido, while Hinoka's FantasticRacism towards Nohr gets worse. Even when Sakura does not hate the Avatar, she has to [[ReluctantWarrior fight them and their group]] and she's clearly ''not'' happy but still willing to do so.



'''Felicia:''' What are you saying sister?\\

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'''Felicia:''' What are you saying saying, sister?\\



** It's a Tear Jerker for [[spoiler:Sumeragi]] too, since [[spoiler:he was being controlled to kill the very child he'd died trying to protect. Ryoma actually cries after their fight in the third path.]]
** What's worse is [[spoiler:that her death scene is the first time the Avatar calls her "Mother". They'd previously told Azura they were struggling to connect with her because they didn't remember her and didn't really feel anything; well, now they have, just in time to lose her.]]

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** It's a Tear Jerker for [[spoiler:Sumeragi]] too, since [[spoiler:he was being controlled to kill the very child he'd died trying to protect. Ryoma actually cries after their fight in the third path.]]
path]].
** What's worse is [[spoiler:that her death scene is the first time the Avatar calls her "Mother". They'd previously told Azura they were struggling to connect with her because they didn't remember her and didn't really feel anything; well, now they have, just in time to lose her.]]her]].



** It's arguably worse in ''Birthright'', where [[spoiler:Azura dies on-screen compared to ''Conquest'' where she dies offscreen after the screen fades to black]]. She's clearly in pain as she [[spoiler:dissolves into water]], but she still does her best to GoOutWithASmile for the Avatar's sake.
** On the other hand, as awful as it is for [[spoiler:the Avatar and her family to watch her die]] on ''Birthright'', they at least [[spoiler:''know'' what happened to her]]. On ''Conquest'', [[spoiler:she just up and vanishes without a trace. Imagine if one day your best friend/sister/wife/mother just ''disappeared''.]] They likely spent the rest of their lives wondering [[spoiler:what happened to her and never getting closure]].
** It's even worse if she is married to a male Avatar. As mentioned in the Heartwarming page, the two pledge to shape a brighter future together in their S-Supports. Without her, that dream will never be realized and the Avatar will probably be grief-stricken for the rest of his life. And of course, there's the fact that [[spoiler:Female Kana and Shigure are now motherless -- which is made even worse when you remember that losing one of her parents in the war is ''exactly what Kana feared happening''.]]

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** It's arguably worse in ''Birthright'', where [[spoiler:Azura dies on-screen on-screen, compared to ''Conquest'' ''Conquest'', where she dies offscreen after the screen fades to black]]. She's clearly in pain as she [[spoiler:dissolves into water]], but she still does her best to GoOutWithASmile for the Avatar's sake.
** On the other hand, as awful as it is for [[spoiler:the Avatar and her family to watch her die]] on ''Birthright'', they at least [[spoiler:''know'' what happened to her]]. On ''Conquest'', [[spoiler:she just up and vanishes without a trace. Imagine if one day your best friend/sister/wife/mother just ''disappeared''.]] ''disappeared'']]. They likely spent the rest of their lives wondering [[spoiler:what happened to her and never getting closure]].
** It's even worse if she is married to a male Avatar. As mentioned in the Heartwarming page, the two pledge to shape a brighter future together in their S-Supports. Without her, that dream will never be realized and the Avatar will probably be grief-stricken for the rest of his life. And of course, there's the fact that [[spoiler:Female Kana and Shigure are now motherless -- which is made even worse when you remember that losing one of her parents in the war is ''exactly what Kana feared happening''.]]happening'']].



** Finish the support between her and [[spoiler:Shigure, her son who inherits her singing capabilities]]. It gets very sad halfway through their A support when [[spoiler:Shigure tells his mother to let him have the pendant because he doesn't want her to keep the burden or run the risk of her dying after finding out what happens if she uses the pendant's power too much.]]
** In the ending scene of ''Birthright'', [[spoiler:the Avatar wanders down to the lake where they first met Azura...and sees her singing there. They run up to her eagerly, briefly wondering if they're hallucinating before deciding they don't care, they're so happy to see her again. During this, Azura just stands there quietly. The Avatar looks away for a moment, and when they look back, she's ''gone''.]] Sure, it gets a little heartwarming since it's implied [[spoiler:Azura's spirit was visiting them from beyond the grave]], but still a pretty big YankTheDogsChain. Doubly so for Male Avatars who married her.

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** Finish the support between her and [[spoiler:Shigure, her son who inherits her singing capabilities]]. It gets very sad halfway through their A support when [[spoiler:Shigure tells his mother to let him have the pendant because he doesn't want her to keep the burden or run the risk of her dying after finding out what happens if she uses the pendant's power too much.]]
much]].
** In the ending scene of ''Birthright'', [[spoiler:the Avatar wanders down to the lake where they first met Azura...and sees her singing there. They run up to her eagerly, briefly wondering if they're hallucinating before deciding they don't care, they're so happy to see her again. During this, Azura just stands there quietly. The Avatar looks away for a moment, and when they look back, she's ''gone''.]] ''gone'']]. Sure, it gets a little heartwarming since it's implied [[spoiler:Azura's spirit was visiting them from beyond the grave]], but still a pretty big YankTheDogsChain. Doubly so for Male Avatars who married her.



** [[spoiler:To twist the knife further? Takumi in the same conversation wonders what it would have been like to fight side by side with the Avatar. If you have previously finished ''Birthright'' before ''Conquest'', this line becomes more heartbreaking as in that route, he does grow to accept the Avatar as family. Yet circumstances have ensured that will never be able to happen in ''Conquest''.]]

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** [[spoiler:To twist the knife further? Takumi in the same conversation wonders what it would have been like to fight side by side with the Avatar. If you have previously finished ''Birthright'' before ''Conquest'', this line becomes more heartbreaking heartbreaking, as in that route, he does grow to accept the Avatar as family. Yet circumstances have ensured that will never be able to happen in ''Conquest''.]]



* [[spoiler:Lilith's death]]. [[spoiler:She [[TakingtheBullet takes an attack meant for the Avatar]] and is changed back to her human form in both routes. She expresses how happy she was to have known them and how happy she was to be able to save them as they saved her and passes away peacefully while the Avatar is left in tears and is almost [[HeroicBSOD at the end of their rope after seeing so much death]] in ''Birthright'', almost crossing the DespairEventHorizon.]] Now go back to [[spoiler:her shrine]] in My Castle. [[spoiler:Instead of seeing the dragon alive and well, you see Lilith's kerchief [[ShrineToTheFallen laid out on her spot]]. WORSE if you know Lilith's origins, where she's revealed to be Dragon!Anankos' madness personified, so she's, in a sense, the Avatar's true sister, and they have no idea]].
** ''And'' just to twist the knife even further, the Avatar is rather quiet and somber the whole time should you [[spoiler:in fact go to Lilith's temple afterwards. It just drives in how they are ''not'' taking her death very well at all.]]
** The near death experience in Conquest and Birthright features the Avatar's lost family members... but it seems weird that Lilith is included among this number, and even weirder in ''Birthright'' that Flora is also included... also that Kaze won't if he had died during Birthright. But [[FridgeBrilliance then you realise]] that the Avatar has known Flora and Lilith for much longer and that s/he probably ''views'' them as family, but they were always separated by their social class. Just imagine how much Flora's actions and words hurt poor the Avatar on that route - s/he practically lost ''five'' family members.
** And as it turns out she is [[spoiler:Anankos' daughter, which means she ''really'' is the Avatar's sibling.]]

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* [[spoiler:Lilith's death]]. death.]] [[spoiler:She [[TakingtheBullet takes an attack meant for the Avatar]] and is changed back to her human form in both routes. She expresses how happy she was to have known them and how happy she was to be able to save them as they saved her and passes away peacefully while the Avatar is left in tears and is almost [[HeroicBSOD at the end of their rope after seeing so much death]] in ''Birthright'', almost crossing the DespairEventHorizon.]] Now go back to [[spoiler:her shrine]] in My Castle. [[spoiler:Instead of seeing the dragon alive and well, you see Lilith's kerchief [[ShrineToTheFallen laid out on her spot]]. spot.]] WORSE if you know Lilith's origins, where she's revealed to be Dragon!Anankos' [[spoiler:Dragon!Anankos' madness personified, so she's, in a sense, the Avatar's true sister, and they have no idea]].
** ''And'' just to twist the knife even further, the Avatar is rather quiet and somber the whole time should you [[spoiler:in fact go to Lilith's temple afterwards. It just drives in how they are ''not'' taking her death very well at all.]]
all]].
** The near death experience in Conquest ''Conquest'' and Birthright ''Birthright'' features the Avatar's lost family members... but it seems weird that Lilith is included among this number, and even weirder in ''Birthright'' that Flora is also included... also that Kaze won't if he had died during Birthright.''Birthright''. But [[FridgeBrilliance then you realise]] that the Avatar has known Flora and Lilith for much longer and that s/he probably ''views'' them as family, but they were always separated by their social class. Just imagine how much Flora's actions and words hurt poor the Avatar on that route - s/he practically lost ''five'' family members.
** And as it turns out she is [[spoiler:Anankos' daughter, which means she ''really'' is the Avatar's sibling.]]sibling]].



-->'''Xander:''' [[spoiler:I love you.]] If it were for your sake, I wouldn't care if [[spoiler:I were to be killed, as long as I could see you in my final moments.]]

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-->'''Xander:''' [[spoiler:I love you.]] If it were for your sake, I wouldn't care if [[spoiler:I were to be killed, as long as I could see you in my final moments.]]moments]].



** This also is pretty bad given that [[spoiler:the Avatar will ''never'' understand the meaning behind those lyrics unless the Ylissian three or Lilith bring them up to speed]]. The Avatar has ''no'' way of knowing the truth behind the invisible history.

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** This also is pretty bad given that [[spoiler:the Avatar will ''never'' understand the meaning behind those lyrics unless the Ylissian Ylissean three or Lilith bring them up to speed]]. The Avatar has ''no'' way of knowing the truth behind the invisible history.



-->"Gaze upon an empty white throne/A legacy of lies/A familiar disguise" from ''Conquest'' is about how [[spoiler: the mad man of a ruler Garon is really just a husk for Anankos, and that the entire war he started was futile.]]

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-->"Gaze upon an empty white throne/A legacy of lies/A familiar disguise" from ''Conquest'' is about how [[spoiler: the mad man [[spoiler:the madman of a ruler Garon ruler, Garon, is really just a husk for Anankos, and that the entire war he started was futile.]]futile]].



* Even the characters who don't die depending on which choice you make can get awful endings. Both [[spoiler: Leo and Hinoka have to deal with inheriting the crowns which should have belonged to their older brothers. So not only do they have to deal with losing ''two'' of their siblings under horrible circumstances, [[TheChainsOfCommanding they also have to assume the throne of their respective country as king/queen]]. And both countries were just terribly damaged during a war (and already poor in Nohr's case). Neither was truly prepared for it, but they are left with no other options.]]
** [[spoiler: Leo already lost multiple siblings during the concubine wars, and lived for years with [[AbusiveParents a terribly abusive monster for a father.]]]] After the end of ''Birthright'', [[spoiler: Camilla lets herself be passed over, so he has to take the place of his now deceased father and brother and become King of Nohr.]] From what we can guess, judging by their epilogues in ''Conquest'', [[spoiler: Camilla is pretty eager to leave the Nohrian court entirely, so exactly how long she will stay around to help Leo rule is debatable. Moreover, while Leo's methods are good for Nohr in the long-term, [[HeroWithBadPublicity his radical reforms do much to make him unpopular among the current populace]]. It is pretty likely that he will face much backlash from them, probably assassination attempts or even outright revolts]]. And finally, of [[spoiler: his]] two retainers [[spoiler: Odin already plans to go back to Ylisse, so in the end [[LonelyAtTheTop Leo will be left with Niles as his only confidant and friend.]]]]
** With [[spoiler: Hinoka]] after ''Conquest'' it's much the same, if not worse. At least in [[spoiler: Leo's case he]] actually has some knowledge about ruling, and is proven to be quite efficent at it. [[spoiler: Hinoka]] on the other hand, never showed any interest in learning such things [[spoiler: [[TomboyPrincess being exclusively focused on her warrior training]] [[BigSisterInstinct and rescuing the Avatar]]. She also [[UnexpectedSuccessor never expected to inherit]], being either third in line to the throne after her brothers (original), or fully intended to pass on the crown to the now deceased Takumi (localization). With the very young Sakura being the only other royal left, she finds herself in no position to refuse.]] As Hoshido was literally ravaged by the villains' armies, rebuilding will be no easy task, and many Hoshidans now hold a very strong grudge against Nohr. Although [[spoiler: Hinoka ultimately manages to forgive Corrin and accept their reasons, [[EtTuBrute having the younger sibling she tried rescuing all her life, be the one to lead the invasion and cause the deaths of her other siblings, must have been quite the blow.]]]]

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* Even the characters who don't die depending on which choice you make can get awful endings. Both [[spoiler: Leo [[spoiler:Leo and Hinoka have to deal with inheriting the crowns which should have belonged to their older brothers. So not only do they have to deal with losing ''two'' of their siblings under horrible circumstances, [[TheChainsOfCommanding they also have to assume the throne of their respective country as king/queen]]. And both countries were just terribly damaged during a war (and already poor in Nohr's case). Neither was truly prepared for it, but they are left with no other options.]]
** [[spoiler: Leo [[spoiler:Leo already lost multiple siblings during the concubine wars, and lived for years with [[AbusiveParents a terribly abusive monster for a father.]]]] After the end of ''Birthright'', [[spoiler: Camilla [[spoiler:Camilla lets herself be passed over, so he has to take the place of his now deceased father and brother and become King of Nohr.]] From what we can guess, judging by their epilogues in ''Conquest'', [[spoiler: Camilla [[spoiler:Camilla is pretty eager to leave the Nohrian court entirely, so exactly how long she will stay around to help Leo rule is debatable. Moreover, while Leo's methods are good for Nohr in the long-term, [[HeroWithBadPublicity his radical reforms do much to make him unpopular among the current populace]]. It is pretty likely that he will face much backlash from them, probably assassination attempts or even outright revolts]]. And finally, of [[spoiler: his]] [[spoiler:his]] two retainers [[spoiler: Odin retainers, [[spoiler:Odin already plans to go back to Ylisse, so in the end [[LonelyAtTheTop Leo will be left with Niles as his only confidant and friend.]]]]
** With [[spoiler: Hinoka]] [[spoiler:Hinoka]] after ''Conquest'' ''Conquest'', it's much the same, if not worse. At least in [[spoiler: Leo's case [[spoiler:Leo's case, he]] actually has some knowledge about ruling, and is proven to be quite efficent at it. [[spoiler: Hinoka]] [[spoiler:Hinoka]], on the other hand, never showed any interest in learning such things [[spoiler: [[TomboyPrincess things, [[spoiler:[[TomboyPrincess being exclusively focused on her warrior training]] [[BigSisterInstinct and rescuing the Avatar]]. She also [[UnexpectedSuccessor never expected to inherit]], being either third in line to the throne after her brothers (original), or fully intended to pass on the crown to the now deceased Takumi (localization). With the very young Sakura being the only other royal left, she finds herself in no position to refuse.]] As Hoshido was literally ravaged by the villains' armies, rebuilding will be no easy task, and many Hoshidans now hold a very strong grudge against Nohr. Although [[spoiler: Hinoka [[spoiler:Hinoka ultimately manages to forgive Corrin and accept their reasons, [[EtTuBrute having the younger sibling she tried rescuing all her life, life be the one to lead the invasion and cause the deaths of her other siblings, siblings must have been quite the blow.]]]]



* The invasion of Nohr is just as sad as invading Hoshido in ‘’Conquest’’ as despite being on the [[ALighterShadeOfGrey lighter shade of grey]] side, many more sympathetic Nohrians end up dying either as collateral damage or due to PoorCommunicationKills the further you go, and if you've played "Conquest", [[spoiler:you know the Garon who started the war isn't really Garon at all, just his corpse turned into a monster, so in many ways Nohr is just as much a victim in all this as Hoshido is.]]
* In 'Chapter 26, Xander [[spoiler:prepares to kill the Avatar, but Elise jumps in the way and takes the hit in the latter's place, dying while asking the two to be at peace]]. Xander... [[DespairEventHorizon doesn't take this well]]. [[spoiler:[[SuicideByCop He doesn't take it well at all]]. Not only that, but his earlier conversation with Peri and Laslow suggests that dying by the group's hand [[ThanatosGambit might have been his plan all along]].]]

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* The invasion of Nohr is just as sad as invading Hoshido in ‘’Conquest’’ ''Conquest'' as despite being on the [[ALighterShadeOfGrey lighter shade of grey]] side, many more sympathetic Nohrians end up dying either as collateral damage or due to PoorCommunicationKills the further you go, and if you've played "Conquest", [[spoiler:you know the Garon who started the war isn't really Garon at all, just his corpse turned into a monster, so in many ways Nohr is just as much a victim in all this as Hoshido is.]]
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* In 'Chapter Chapter 26, Xander [[spoiler:prepares to kill the Avatar, but Elise jumps in the way and takes the hit in the latter's place, dying while asking the two to be at peace]]. Xander... [[DespairEventHorizon doesn't take this well]]. [[spoiler:[[SuicideByCop He doesn't take it well at all]]. Not only that, but his earlier conversation with Peri and Laslow suggests that dying by the group's hand [[ThanatosGambit might have been his plan all along]].]]



*** And then, there's [[spoiler:his final chat with his younger sibling.]]

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** Getting A-Support with [[spoiler:Kaze]] will prevent this... but it reveals another Tear Jerker: [[spoiler:Kaze was present the day the Avatar was kidnapped by Nohr, but because he was still young, he didn't understand what was happening, and has spent most of life blaming himself for it, even feeling guilty for speaking to them.]]

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** Getting A-Support with [[spoiler:Kaze]] will prevent this... but it reveals another Tear Jerker: [[spoiler:Kaze was present the day the Avatar was kidnapped by Nohr, but because he was still young, he didn't understand what was happening, and has spent most of his life blaming himself for it, even feeling guilty for speaking to them.]]



* In Chapter 23, [[spoiler:Azura ends up being forced into fighting her own mother, Arete, who CameBackWrong and memory wiped into being one of Anankos's minions. After beating her, [[DyingAsYourself Arete's memories start coming back to her just as she dies]] in a similar manner to Azura at the end of ''Birthright''. Azura, who normally is TheStoic, [[NotSoStoic breaks down into tears and cries]]. You also have to fight the CameBackWrong version of Scarlet here. Ryoma's dialogue with her really twists the knife, and a bit of GameplayAndStoryIntegration makes this even sadder: if you look at Scarlet's stats, you'll notice her personal skill is gone. [[LossOfIdentity Ryoma was right when he said she's no longer Scarlet anymore]]]].

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* In Chapter 23, [[spoiler:Azura ends up being forced into fighting her own mother, Arete, who CameBackWrong and memory wiped has been memory-wiped into being one of Anankos's minions. After beating her, [[DyingAsYourself Arete's memories start coming back to her just as she dies]] in a similar manner to Azura at the end of ''Birthright''. Azura, who normally is TheStoic, [[NotSoStoic breaks down into tears and cries]]. You also have to fight the CameBackWrong version of Scarlet here. Ryoma's dialogue with her really twists the knife, and a bit of GameplayAndStoryIntegration makes this even sadder: if you look at Scarlet's stats, you'll notice her personal skill is gone. [[LossOfIdentity Ryoma was right when he said she's no longer Scarlet anymore]]]].
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*** It's even worse if you've seen Sakura and Azura's supports in ''Birthright'' or ''Revelation''. Azura seems to be the closest to Sakura out of all the Hoshidan siblings, so making the two fight is a ''huge'' PlayerPunch.
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* Selena gets some unique support dialogue with Caeldori if she's her mother, which definitely tugs at the heartstrings given that Caeldori is an {{Expy}} [[spoiler: and implied to be a reincarnation]] of Selena's own mother, Cordelia. As Selena sees her own daughter masterfully managing the army, in the same way her mother used to (and displaying the same effortless perfectionism which drove Selena's inferiority complex), she is clearly left grappling between the love for her daughter and the jealousy she feels towards her mother. However, to her credit, she quickly makes peace with it, albeit in a heartbreaking fashion: she comments to Caeldori that she inherited everything from her grandmother - her talent, her grace, and even her looks - and explains that she's happy for her, before mumbling that it must skip a generation and sadly walking out of the tent.

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* Selena gets some unique support dialogue with Caeldori if she's her mother, which definitely tugs at the heartstrings given that Caeldori is an {{Expy}} [[spoiler: and implied to be a reincarnation]] of Selena's own mother, Cordelia. As Selena sees her own daughter masterfully managing the army, in the same way her mother used to (and displaying the same effortless perfectionism which drove Selena's inferiority complex), she is clearly left grappling between the love for her daughter and the jealousy she feels towards her mother. However, to her credit, she quickly makes peace with it, albeit in a heartbreaking fashion: she comments to Caeldori that she inherited everything from her grandmother - her talent, her grace, and even her looks - and explains that she's happy for her, before mumbling that it must skip a generation and sadly walking out of the tent.
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* Selena gets some unique support dialogue with Caeldori if she's her mother, which definitely tugs at the heartstrings given that Caeldori is an {{Expy}} [[spoiler: and implied to be a reincarnation]] of Selena's own mother, Cordelia. As Selena sees her own daughter masterfully managing the army, in the same way her mother used to (and displaying the same effortless perfectionism which drove Selena's inferiority complex), she is clearly left grappling between the love for her daughter and the jealousy she feels towards her mother. However, to her credit, she quickly makes peace with it, albeit in a heartbreaking fashion: she comments to Caeldori that she inherited everything from her grandmother - her talent, her grace, and even her looks - and explains that she's happy for her, before mumbling that it must skip a generation and sadly walking out of the tent.

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** ''And'', just to make ''Conquest'' Takumi [[FromBadToWorse even worse]], [[spoiler:Azura outright acknowledges that Takumi was never ''that'' bad. This is from someone who the player had seen Takumi be openly hostile to in the first few chapters. This implies that even with his distrust of Azura, he was still capable of being civil to her, and serves to back up his claims that he wishes he could've been closer to the Avatar. Even with all of Takumi's other issues, he probably regrets ''everything'' that he did in ''Conquest'', not just his treatment of the Avatar.]]



* King Garon himself has a surprisingly dismal backstory for someone who's presented as such a ruthless, static tyrant throughout almost all of every storyline. Mostly because, as is revealed in ''Conquest'', [[spoiler:the Garon whom the player sees in every storyline is just an EmptyShell controlled by Anankos, retaining all of the original Garon's memories but apparently none of his positive traits that his children admired him for]]. [[spoiler:''The'']] Garon genuinely ''loved'' all of his children, including Azura, and although he was still a stalwart ruler, his kids can easily recount how his personality used to be much less brutal. But because [[spoiler:the Avatar and thus the player never even meet the real Garon]], they're forced to spectate in ignorance as the once-loving relationship between the Nohrian siblings and their father is inevitably destroyed by the machinations of [[spoiler:[[EldritchAbomination something]] who's just ''posing'' as the man they all know and love]], never knowing ''why'' their brothers and sisters continue to have faith in such an obvious villain even though it eventually becomes clear that [[spoiler:none of them want to accept that their father isn't who he used to be]]. In short, the King Garon that we see is the [[TragicMonster tragic result]] of [[spoiler:a much better person falling victim to the will of the BiggerBad]], and while [[spoiler:Mikoto and even Sumeragi]] get enough development to show us that they're still good people once they get their minds back, we never really get to see firsthand just how much better of a person the [[spoiler:Original]] Garon really was.

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* King Garon himself has a surprisingly dismal backstory for someone who's presented as such a ruthless, static tyrant throughout almost all of every storyline. Mostly because, as is revealed in ''Conquest'', [[spoiler:the Garon whom the player sees in every storyline is just an EmptyShell controlled by Anankos, retaining all of the original Garon's memories but apparently none of his positive traits that his children admired him for]]. [[spoiler:''The'']] Garon genuinely ''loved'' all of his children, including Azura, and although he was still a stalwart ruler, his kids can easily recount how his personality used to be much less brutal. But because [[spoiler:the Avatar and thus the player never even meet the real Garon]], they're forced to spectate in ignorance as the once-loving relationship between the Nohrian siblings and their father is inevitably destroyed by the machinations of [[spoiler:[[EldritchAbomination something]] who's just ''posing'' as the man they all know and love]], never knowing ''why'' their brothers and sisters continue to have faith in such an obvious villain even though it eventually becomes clear that [[spoiler:none of them want to accept that their father isn't who he used to be]]. In short, the King Garon that we see is the [[TragicMonster tragic result]] of [[spoiler:a much better person falling victim to the will of the BiggerBad]], and while [[spoiler:Mikoto and even Sumeragi]] get enough development to show us that they're still good people once they get their minds back, we never really get to see firsthand just how much better of a person the [[spoiler:Original]] [[spoiler:the original]] Garon really was.
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-->'''Sakura''' Avatar!
-->'''Avatar''' Sakura... I didn't expect you to be here. But if you insist on blocking our way, I won't back down.
-->'''Sakura''' I know... And I know I probably can't w-win against you, either. But as a princess, I have to at least try to protect my kingdom! So r-ready your sword. It's time to battle!
-->'''Avatar''' As you wish.
-->'''Sakura''' This is the first time we'll really be fighting, A-Avatar. I wish... we were fighting side by side instead...

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-->'''Sakura''' -->'''Sakura:''' Avatar!
-->'''Avatar''' -->'''Avatar:''' Sakura... I didn't expect you to be here. But if you insist on blocking our way, I won't back down.
-->'''Sakura''' -->'''Sakura:''' I know... And I know I probably can't w-win against you, either. But as a princess, I have to at least try to protect my kingdom! So r-ready your sword. It's time to battle!
-->'''Avatar''' -->'''Avatar:''' As you wish.
-->'''Sakura''' -->'''Sakura:''' This is the first time we'll really be fighting, A-Avatar. I wish... we were fighting side by side instead...



-->'''Sakura''' Azura!
-->'''Azura''' Sakura... I'm surprised to see you here. When did you learn to fight?
-->'''Sakura''' After M-Mother died, I began training, so I could protect the ones I love. I won't let anyone get past me - not even you!
-->'''Azura''' I see. I always knew you would grow into a strong woman. I'm happy to see you like this, Sakura. Whatever happens, I'm proud of you.
-->'''Sakura''' Azura... *sniff... sniff... * My... sister...
-->'''Azura''' Don't cry, Sakura. This is a battlefield, and we are at war. Ready your weapon, dear Sister. Show me how strong you've become.
-->'''Sakura''' *sniff* OK! Let's b-begin!

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-->'''Sakura''' -->'''Sakura:''' Azura!
-->'''Azura''' -->'''Azura:''' Sakura... I'm surprised to see you here. When did you learn to fight?
-->'''Sakura''' -->'''Sakura:''' After M-Mother died, I began training, so I could protect the ones I love. I won't let anyone get past me - not even you!
-->'''Azura''' -->'''Azura:''' I see. I always knew you would grow into a strong woman. I'm happy to see you like this, Sakura. Whatever happens, I'm proud of you.
-->'''Sakura''' -->'''Sakura:''' Azura... *sniff... sniff... * My... sister...
-->'''Azura''' -->'''Azura:''' Don't cry, Sakura. This is a battlefield, and we are at war. Ready your weapon, dear Sister. Show me how strong you've become.
-->'''Sakura''' -->'''Sakura:''' *sniff* OK! Let's b-begin!
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** Sakura's battle dialogue with the Avatar
-->'''Sakura''' Avatar!
-->'''Avatar''' Sakura... I didn't expect you to be here. But if you insist on blocking our way, I won't back down.
-->'''Sakura''' I know... And I know I probably can't w-win against you, either. But as a princess, I have to at least try to protect my kingdom! So r-ready your sword. It's time to battle!
-->'''Avatar''' As you wish.
-->'''Sakura''' This is the first time we'll really be fighting, A-Avatar. I wish... we were fighting side by side instead...
** Sakura's battle dialogue with Azura somehow manages to be even worse as two sisters who love each other are forced to battle
-->'''Sakura''' Azura!
-->'''Azura''' Sakura... I'm surprised to see you here. When did you learn to fight?
-->'''Sakura''' After M-Mother died, I began training, so I could protect the ones I love. I won't let anyone get past me - not even you!
-->'''Azura''' I see. I always knew you would grow into a strong woman. I'm happy to see you like this, Sakura. Whatever happens, I'm proud of you.
-->'''Sakura''' Azura... *sniff... sniff... * My... sister...
-->'''Azura''' Don't cry, Sakura. This is a battlefield, and we are at war. Ready your weapon, dear Sister. Show me how strong you've become.
-->'''Sakura''' *sniff* OK! Let's b-begin!
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* On a related note, while it might feel unfair to many players that [[spoiler:Garon is not properly fought in this route, there's actually some FridgeBrilliance (or perhaps FridgeHorror) that could be applied here. Garon is simply ''too far gone'' at this point due to [[DemonicPossession Anankos's influence]] to care about his children anymore, and it's implied that he was still harsh and bitter in his last few "real" years on top of that. Even if he did get to have a final speech like the other royal parents, he probably wouldn't have much (good) to say to his kids.]]
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** Similarly, just the fact that Odin is [[spoiler:the only one of the trio ''guaranteed'' to survive the game can be depressing. (Selena can die in Classic mode on ''Conquest'' and ''Revelation'', while Laslow can be killed in ''Birthright'' if the player chooses to do so.)]]
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* [[http://serenesforest.net/wiki/index.php/Fates_Supports/Shigure_Rhajat Shigure and Rhajat's]] non-family support focus on Rhajat's NoSocialSkills and how, unlike him, she couldn't bond with her caretakers in the Deeprealms. She claims she was okay with it and that's what she wanted anyway, but Shigure isn't convinced and tries to talk to her despite her [[DontYouDarePityMe mistaking his desire to help with mere pity]]... [[spoiler: It turns out she drove them away because she used to suffer of PowerIncontinence and [[ItsnotYouItsMe didn't want them to be hurt]], so she crafted a JerkAssFacade to deal with it.]]

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* [[http://serenesforest.net/wiki/index.php/Fates_Supports/Shigure_Rhajat Shigure and Rhajat's]] non-family support Support focus on Rhajat's NoSocialSkills and how, unlike him, she couldn't bond with her caretakers in the Deeprealms. She claims she was okay with it and that's what she wanted anyway, but Shigure isn't convinced and tries to talk to her despite her [[DontYouDarePityMe mistaking his desire to help with mere pity]]... [[spoiler: It [[spoiler:It turns out she drove them away because she used to suffer of from PowerIncontinence and [[ItsnotYouItsMe didn't want them to be hurt]], so she crafted a JerkAssFacade to deal with it.]]
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* [[http://serenesforest.net/wiki/index.php/Fates_Supports/Shigure_Rhajat Shigure and Rhajat's]] non-family support focus on Rhajat's NoSocialSkills and how, unlike him, she couldn't bond with her caretakers in the Deeprealms. She claims she was okay with it and that's what she wanted anyway, but Shigure isn't convinced and tries to talk to her despite her [[DontYouDarePityMe mistaking his desire to help with mere pity]]... [[spoiler: It turns out she drove them away because she used to suffer of PowerIncontinence and [[ItsnotYouItsMe didn't want them to be hurt]], so she crafted a JerkAssFacade to deal with it.]]
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** First off, at the end of Chapter 10, [[spoiler:the Avatar and their group manage to save Izana and Takumi, but Takumi refuses to follow the Avatar, due to him thinking that they betrayed Hoshido by not siding with either nation. So Izana ends up pulling a HeroicSacrifice by using whatever was left of his life force to tell a fortune in order for Takumi to believe in the Avatar.]]

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** First off, at the end of Chapter 10, [[spoiler:the Avatar and their group manage to save Izana and Takumi, but Takumi refuses to follow the Avatar, due to him thinking that they betrayed Hoshido by not siding with either nation. So Izana ends up pulling a HeroicSacrifice by using whatever was left of his life force to tell communicate with the gods and deliver a fortune in order message for Takumi to believe in the Avatar.Avatar that will help them in their adventure.]]
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** Similarly, Effie and Arthur's potential deaths in Chapter 23 are also sad and undignified. Unlike the other retainers, you can actually clear up the misunderstanding to them both and easily get them to cooperate with you for that chapter... except that it's also incredibly difficult to keep them alive in an already difficult chapter. Which means that they'll most likely be unceremoniously killed in trying to protect Elise, whether they side with you or not. Their death quotes have them both lamenting how they failed to protect their princess.

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** Similarly, Effie and Arthur's potential deaths in Chapter 23 are also sad and undignified. Unlike the other retainers, you can actually clear up the misunderstanding to them both and easily get them to cooperate with you for that chapter... except that it's also incredibly difficult to keep them alive in an already difficult chapter. battle. Which means that they'll most likely be unceremoniously killed in trying to protect Elise, whether they side with you or not. Their death quotes have them both lamenting how they failed to protect their princess.
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** Similarly, Effie and Arthur's potential deaths in Chapter 23 are also sad and undignified. Unlike the other retainers, you can actually clear up the misunderstanding to them both and easily get them to cooperate with you for that chapter... except that it's also incredibly difficult to keep them alive in an already difficult chapter. Which means that they'll most likely be unceremoniously killed in trying to protect Elise, whether they side with you or not. Their death quotes have them both lamenting how they failed to protect their princess.

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