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* Near Moore, you can find a little girl asking you to find her pet, one with white hair. Assuming this to be a dog, Clive asks around for if anyone has seen one, and gets pointed at the windmill. But, once you reach the windmill, you find a brown dog, instead... and a white-haired Bearer that has been [[TakenForGranite killed by the curse]]. The little girl has apparently considered the Bearer her pet, but Clive immediately lays it on thick, and that's when you realize: this is a young girl that had never even once considered that they were actually human beings like her. Her entire life, she'd been told they were something else, and that they didn't even have **parents**. To top it all off, she learns the horrific truth of all: that them turning to stone isn't just something temporary like she thought, but that they are dead, gone forever, as a result of how poorly they had been treated. And after realizing this, she begins to sob profusely, barely even able to speak as she sputters out tearful apologies to a corpse that she only just realized was **even a corpse**, leaving you with a little girl now burdened with the crushing reality of the cruel world around her, and of the horrible consequences of her own actions. And you can't do anything else but simply leave her to grieve.

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* Near Moore, you can find a little girl asking you to find her pet, one with white hair. Assuming this to be a dog, Clive asks around for if anyone has seen one, and gets pointed at the windmill. But, once you reach the windmill, you find a brown dog, instead... and a white-haired Bearer that has been [[TakenForGranite killed by the curse]]. The little girl has apparently considered the Bearer her pet, but Clive immediately lays it on thick, and that's when you realize: this is a young girl that had never even once considered that they were actually human beings like her. Her entire life, she'd been told they were something else, and that they didn't even have **parents**.''parents''. To top it all off, she learns the horrific truth of all: that them turning to stone isn't just something temporary like she thought, but that they are dead, gone forever, as a result of how poorly they had been treated. And after realizing this, she begins to sob profusely, barely even able to speak as she sputters out tearful apologies to a corpse that she only just realized was **even ''even a corpse**, corpse'', leaving you with a little girl now burdened with the crushing reality of the cruel world around her, and of the horrible consequences of her own actions. And you can't do anything else but simply leave her to grieve.
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** Joshua's perspective can also be a bit sad. Despite how his mother orchestrated the events that lead to him and Clive being separated, his brother enslaved, and their home falling, Joshua clearly did retain more genuine sentiment towards his mother than Clive, and then you realize no matter how strict Anabella was on Joshua, she ''still did love him'' and Joshua can't just forget about that, no matter how evil Anabella truly was. He probably did recognize her as just a pawn of Ultima and wanted to give her a chance to redeem herself. The despondent tone on his voice as he laments his mother's death can still tug a bit of heartstrings.

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** Joshua's perspective can also be a bit sad. Despite how his mother orchestrated the events that lead to him and Clive being separated, his brother enslaved, and their home falling, Joshua clearly did retain more genuine sentiment towards his mother than Clive, and then you realize no matter how strict Anabella was on Joshua, she ''still did love him'' and Joshua can't just forget about that, no matter how evil Anabella truly was. He probably did recognize her as just a pawn of Ultima and wanted to give her a chance to redeem herself. The despondent tone on his voice as he laments his mother's death can still tug a bit of heartstrings.heartstrings.
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* Near Moore, you can find a little girl asking you to find her pet, one with white hair. Assuming this to be a dog, Clive asks around for if anyone has seen one, and gets pointed at the windmill. But, once you reach the windmill, you find a brown dog, instead... and a white-haired Bearer that has been [[TakenForGranite killed by the curse]]. The little girl has apparently considered the Bearer her pet, but Clive immediately lays it on thick, and that's when you realize: this is a young girl that had never even once considered that they were actually human beings like her. Her entire life, she'd been told they were something else, and that they didn't even have **parents**. To top it all off, she learns the horrific truth of all: that them turning to stone isn't just something temporary like she thought, but that they are dead, gone forever, as a result of how poorly they had been treated. And after realizing this, she begins to sob profusely, barely even able to speak as she sputters out tearful apologies to a corpse that she only just realized was **even a corpse**, leaving you with a little girl now burdened with the crushing reality of the cruel world around her, and of the horrible consequences of her own actions. And you can't do anything else but simply leave her to grieve.
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* She deserved it, but Anabella's state when she kills herself is so pathetic that it illicits pity. On top of having her new home collapsing around her ears, she's forced to deal with the two-fold blow of seeing Dion kill her son Olivier (who disintegrates into aether, confirming he was ''never alive'') and Joshua alive after believing he was dead all these years. It breaks her completely, and she spends her last moments convinced that everything that's happened is a bad dream and screaming at Joshua to stay away from her. Even ''Clive'' can't help but feel pity at her suicide.

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* She deserved it, but Anabella's state when she kills herself is so pathetic that it illicits pity. On top of having her new home collapsing around her ears, she's forced to deal with the two-fold blow of seeing Dion kill her son Olivier (who disintegrates into aether, confirming he was ''never alive'') and Joshua alive after believing he was dead all these years. It breaks her completely, and she spends her last moments convinced that everything that's happened is a bad dream and screaming at Joshua to stay away from her. Even ''Clive'' can't help but feel pity at her suicide.suicide.
** Subtle, but when Clive finally gets to meet Anabella, he is definitely furious and disgusted with Anabella and doesn't hesitate to call her out over her disdain of Elwin and her betrayal of Rosaria, but while he was rejecting her beliefs, he never once defends ''his own self'', even when she rants about him not becoming the Dominant of Phoenix and being strong in ways that only made things harder for her. Either he is just resigned to Anabella never having any affection for him at all, or he actually ''agrees'' with her to an extent that had he been born as the Dominant of the Phoenix, things would have been better for his entire family, both of those possibilities can still be saddening.
** Joshua's perspective can also be a bit sad. Despite how his mother orchestrated the events that lead to him and Clive being separated, his brother enslaved, and their home falling, Joshua clearly did retain more genuine sentiment towards his mother than Clive, and then you realize no matter how strict Anabella was on Joshua, she ''still did love him'' and Joshua can't just forget about that, no matter how evil Anabella truly was. He probably did recognize her as just a pawn of Ultima and wanted to give her a chance to redeem herself. The despondent tone on his voice as he laments his mother's death can still tug a bit of heartstrings.
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** On the mission directly following this Clive is left alone with Torgal to pass through on the way to their next destination. Notably, in this area when a battle triggers, the BGM doesn't change at all - perhaps reflecting Clive himself just purposelessly going through the motions as he no longer sees the point (which he says almost verbatim when faced with his first enemies.)
*** There is a moment on this path where Clive reaches a bridge with a rushing river underneath, and just pauses and stares. Torgal whimpers to get his attention. No words are spoken, but given Clive's mental state at the time [[DrivenToSuicide it's not difficult to see what was being implied.]]

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*** If you are a fan of Chocobos, watching them get killed to prevent any of the family from escaping is rather hard to watch.



* It's subtle, but Clive and Joshua never hug each other at any point prior to the former's death. [[CradleOfLoneliness He never even holds him one last time, not even his corpse if it was still there]]. It's possibly one of the saddest scenes in the history of ''Final Fantasy''.
* Clive discovering that ''he'' is the Dominant of Ifrit, and ''he'' was the one who killed his own brother and subsequently falling into a HeroicBSOD.

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* ** It's subtle, but Clive and Joshua never hug each other at any point prior to the former's death. [[CradleOfLoneliness He never even holds him one last time, not even his corpse if it was still there]]. It's possibly one of the saddest scenes in the history of ''Final Fantasy''.
* Clive discovering that ''he'' is the Dominant of Ifrit, Ifrit in present day when returning to Phoenix Gate, and ''he'' was the one who killed his own brother and subsequently falling into a HeroicBSOD.


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** This also raises a more troubling implication of what happened that night. The clash between Phoenix and Ifrit is not between enemies but loving brothers whom ''neither'' of which wanted this to happen. Ifrit showing up ''[[SpannerInTheWorks wasn't]]'' part of Anabella's plans. While it could simply be Clive losing control, it could also be taken as him being in full ''denial'' over what happened that night, blaming Ifrit as a separate entity and creating a SelfServingMemory.
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* Dion having a full mental breakdown as he tries to convince his father the Emperor that his half-brother Olivier is ''evil'', having being possessed by Ultima. At his wits' end, he throws his spear at the undead child...only for the Emperor to throw himself in front Olivier, taking the fatal blow instead. Seeing his father's limp body and enduring a BreakingSpeech from 'Olivier' is what finally triggers his transformation into Bahamut, and he subsequently lays waste to the home that he has been trying to protect.
* She deserved it, but Annabella's state when she kills herself is so pathetic that it illicits pity. On top of having her new home falling down around her ears, she's forced to deal with the two-fold blow of seeing Dion kill her son Olivier (who disintegrates into aether, confirming he was ''never alive'') and Joshua alive after believing he was dead all these years. It breaks her completely, and she spends her last moments convinced that everything that's happened is a bad dream and screaming at Joshua to stay away from her. Even ''Clive'' feels pity at her suicide.

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* Dion having a full mental breakdown as he tries to convince his father the Emperor that his half-brother Olivier is ''evil'', having being possessed by Ultima. At his wits' end, he throws his spear at the undead child...only for the Emperor to throw himself in front Olivier, taking the fatal blow instead. Seeing his father's limp body and enduring a BreakingSpeech from 'Olivier' "Olivier" is what finally triggers his transformation into Bahamut, and he subsequently lays waste to the home that he has been trying to protect.
* She deserved it, but Annabella's Anabella's state when she kills herself is so pathetic that it illicits pity. On top of having her new home falling down collapsing around her ears, she's forced to deal with the two-fold blow of seeing Dion kill her son Olivier (who disintegrates into aether, confirming he was ''never alive'') and Joshua alive after believing he was dead all these years. It breaks her completely, and she spends her last moments convinced that everything that's happened is a bad dream and screaming at Joshua to stay away from her. Even ''Clive'' feels can't help but feel pity at her suicide.
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* Dion having a full mental breakdown as he tries to convince his father the Emperor that his half-brother Olivier is ''evil'', having being possessed by Ultima. At his wits' end, he throws his spear at the undead child...only for the Emperor to throw himself in front Olivier, taking the fatal blow instead. Seeing his father's limp body and enduring a BreakingSpeech from 'Olivier' is what finally triggers his transformation into Bahamut, and he subsequently lays waste to the home that he has been trying to protect.

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* Dion having a full mental breakdown as he tries to convince his father the Emperor that his half-brother Olivier is ''evil'', having being possessed by Ultima. At his wits' end, he throws his spear at the undead child...only for the Emperor to throw himself in front Olivier, taking the fatal blow instead. Seeing his father's limp body and enduring a BreakingSpeech from 'Olivier' is what finally triggers his transformation into Bahamut, and he subsequently lays waste to the home that he has been trying to protect.protect.
* She deserved it, but Annabella's state when she kills herself is so pathetic that it illicits pity. On top of having her new home falling down around her ears, she's forced to deal with the two-fold blow of seeing Dion kill her son Olivier (who disintegrates into aether, confirming he was ''never alive'') and Joshua alive after believing he was dead all these years. It breaks her completely, and she spends her last moments convinced that everything that's happened is a bad dream and screaming at Joshua to stay away from her. Even ''Clive'' feels pity at her suicide.
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** Clive is so deeply broken that as soon as he wakes up and Cid visits him, Clive ''begs'' Cid to kill him for having killed Joshua and everything he had loved with his own hands, straight-up calling himself a monster and sobbing on the ground, uncaring about his nakedness, once Cid punches him down and tells him to cool off.

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** Clive is so deeply broken that as soon as he wakes up and Cid visits him, Clive ''begs'' Cid to kill him for having killed Joshua and everything he had loved with his own hands, straight-up calling himself a monster and sobbing on the ground, uncaring about his nakedness, once Cid punches him down and tells him to cool off.off.
* Dion having a full mental breakdown as he tries to convince his father the Emperor that his half-brother Olivier is ''evil'', having being possessed by Ultima. At his wits' end, he throws his spear at the undead child...only for the Emperor to throw himself in front Olivier, taking the fatal blow instead. Seeing his father's limp body and enduring a BreakingSpeech from 'Olivier' is what finally triggers his transformation into Bahamut, and he subsequently lays waste to the home that he has been trying to protect.

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* Later in the game, Clive's reaction when he discovers that ''he'' is the Dominant of Ifrit, and ''he'' was the one who killed his own brother.

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* Later in the game, Clive's reaction when he discovers Clive discovering that ''he'' is the Dominant of Ifrit, and ''he'' was the one who killed his own brother.brother and subsequently falling into a HeroicBSOD.
** Clive is so deeply broken that as soon as he wakes up and Cid visits him, Clive ''begs'' Cid to kill him for having killed Joshua and everything he had loved with his own hands, straight-up calling himself a monster and sobbing on the ground, uncaring about his nakedness, once Cid punches him down and tells him to cool off.

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* It's subtle, but Clive and Joshua never hug each other at any point prior to the former's death. [[CradleOfLoneliness He never even holds him one last time, not even his corpse if it was still there]]. It's possibly one of the saddest scenes in the history of ''Final Fantasy''.

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* It's subtle, but Clive and Joshua never hug each other at any point prior to the former's death. [[CradleOfLoneliness He never even holds him one last time, not even his corpse if it was still there]]. It's possibly one of the saddest scenes in the history of ''Final Fantasy''.
* Later in the game, Clive's reaction when he discovers that ''he'' is the Dominant of Ifrit, and ''he'' was the one who killed his own brother.
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** The ensuing boss fight against Ifrit sees Joshua [[DeathOfAChild splattered into a red mist by the new Eikon of Fire]]. All the while, Clive can only watch in horror as his younger brother is torn apart.

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** The ensuing boss fight against Ifrit sees Joshua [[DeathOfAChild splattered into a red mist by the new Eikon of Fire]]. All the while, Clive can only watch in horror and [[AintTooProudToBeg fruitlessly beg the Eikon to stop]] as his younger brother is torn apart.
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** The worst part is that [[BlessedWithSuck ''he doesn't want'' to be Phoenix's Dominant]]. The role puts him under immense pressure, not the least of which is from his own mother. In his conversation with Clive, he almost makes it sound like he'd rather be the one ignored[=/=]scorned by Anabelle.

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** The worst part is that [[BlessedWithSuck ''he ''[[BlessedWithSuck he doesn't want'' want to be Phoenix's Dominant]].Dominant]]''. The role puts him under immense pressure, not the least of which is from his own mother. In his conversation with Clive, he almost makes it sound like he'd rather be the one ignored[=/=]scorned by Anabelle. And when you see traits like his refusal to eat carrots, you're reminded that Joshua's just a kid forced to try to grow up too fast by the circumstances of his birth. Which makes what happens to him in the end all that much more heartrending.
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** Even the beginning before the flashback starts is a bit sad. What triggers Clive remembering his past is seeing a fellow conscript of Sanbraque die. Think about it. Clive is definitely not willingly following Sanbraque's orders, but despite how stoic and aloof he is towards the other soldiers, either out of empathy over their shared hopelessness or genuine camaraderie, his last words before falling unconscious and dreaming about what happened years ago are that of "Brother...". Alternatively, it could be that he is traumatized enough that just seeing a fellow soldier die helplessly would make him remember how he too was once powerless to stop the fall of Rosaria and his brother's death.

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** Even the beginning before the flashback starts is a bit sad. What triggers Clive remembering to remember his past is seeing a fellow conscript of Sanbraque die. Think about it. it - Clive is definitely not willingly following Sanbraque's orders, but despite how stoic and aloof he is towards the other soldiers, either out of empathy over their shared hopelessness or genuine camaraderie, his last words before falling unconscious and dreaming about what happened years ago are that of "Brother...". Alternatively, it could be that he is traumatized enough that just seeing a fellow soldier die helplessly would make him remember how he too was once powerless to stop the fall of Rosaria and his brother's death.
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** The worst part is that [[BlessedWithSuck ''he doesn't want'' to be Phoenix's Dominant]]. The role puts him under immense pressure, not the least of which is from his own mother. In his conversation with Clive, he almost makes it sound like he'd rather be the one ignored[=/=]scorned by Anabelle.
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** Even the beginning before the flashback starts is a bit sad. What triggers Clive remembering his past is seeing a fellow conscript of Sanbraque die. Think about it. Clive is definitely not willingly following Sanbraque's orders, but despite how he is stoic and aloof towards the other soldiers, either out of empathy over their shared hopelessness or genuine camaraderie, his last words before falling unconscious and dreaming about what happened years ago are that of "Brother...". Alternatively, it could be that he is traumatized enough that just seeing a fellow soldier die helplessly would make him remember how he too was once powerless to stop the fall of Rosaria and his brother's death.

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** Even the beginning before the flashback starts is a bit sad. What triggers Clive remembering his past is seeing a fellow conscript of Sanbraque die. Think about it. Clive is definitely not willingly following Sanbraque's orders, but despite how he is stoic and aloof he is towards the other soldiers, either out of empathy over their shared hopelessness or genuine camaraderie, his last words before falling unconscious and dreaming about what happened years ago are that of "Brother...". Alternatively, it could be that he is traumatized enough that just seeing a fellow soldier die helplessly would make him remember how he too was once powerless to stop the fall of Rosaria and his brother's death.
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** Even the beginning before the flashback starts is a bit sad. What triggers Clive remembering his past is seeing a fellow conscript of Sanbraque die. Think about it. Clive is definitely not willingly following Sanbraque's orders, but despite how he is stoic and aloof towards the other soldiers, either out of empathy over their shared hopelessness or genuine cammaderie, his last words before falling unconscious and dreaming about what happened years ago are that of "Brother...". Alternatively, it could be that he is traumatized enough that just seeing a fellow soldier die helplessly would make him remember how he too was once powerless to stop the fall of Rosaria and his brother's death.

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** Even the beginning before the flashback starts is a bit sad. What triggers Clive remembering his past is seeing a fellow conscript of Sanbraque die. Think about it. Clive is definitely not willingly following Sanbraque's orders, but despite how he is stoic and aloof towards the other soldiers, either out of empathy over their shared hopelessness or genuine cammaderie, camaraderie, his last words before falling unconscious and dreaming about what happened years ago are that of "Brother...". Alternatively, it could be that he is traumatized enough that just seeing a fellow soldier die helplessly would make him remember how he too was once powerless to stop the fall of Rosaria and his brother's death.
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** Even the beginning before the flashback starts is a bit sad. What triggers Clive remembering his past is seeing a fellow conscript of Sanbraque die. Think about it. Clive is definitely not willingly following Sanbraque's orders, but despite how he is stoic and aloof towards the other soldiers, either out of empathy over their shared hopelessness or genuine cammaderie, his last words before falling unconscious and dreaming about what happened years ago are that of "Brother...". Alternatively, it could be that he is traumatized enough that just seeing a fellow soldier die helplessly would make him remember how he too was once powerless to stop the fall of Rosaria and his brother's death.
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* Joshua’s relationship with Anabella is pretty sad from his perspective, since he was the Phoenix, his mother actually liked him even if he was mean and strict on his well-being.

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* Joshua’s relationship with Anabella is pretty sad from his perspective, since he was the Phoenix, his mother actually liked him even if he she was mean and strict on his well-being.
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--->'''Clive:''' No! Stop it! Take your hands off my brother! Joshua... Stop it... Stop it! I swore I would protect him... Please... Please, stop it! Joshua! '''[[BigNo NO!!!]]'''

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--->'''Clive:''' No! Stop it! Take your hands off my brother! Joshua... Stop it... Stop it! I swore I would protect him... Please... Please, stop it! Joshua! '''[[BigNo NO!!!]]'''NOOOOOOOO!!!]]'''



--->'''Clive:''' Murderer... I'll kill you! ''I'll '''fucking''' kill you!''
** And just when you think Clive's day couldn't get any worse, [[FromBadToWorse it does]]. [[TheMole Clive finds out his mother Anabella is a traitor]], [[ParentalBetrayal and orders Clive killed when he's found after the battle at the Phoenix Gate is over]]. But, then she decides to spare him... just to spite her now-dead husband one last time by [[MadeASlave forcibly conscripting Clive into the Empire of Sanbreque as a Branded]]. And it's implied that Anabella is doing all of this just because [[SocialClimber she wants a better social status than she had as the archduchess]], [[EvilIsPetty which comes off as chillingly petty]].

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--->'''Clive:''' Murderer... I'll kill you! ''I'll '''fucking''' kill you!''
''I'LL '''FUCKING''' KILL YOU!!''
** And just when you think Clive's day couldn't get any worse, [[FromBadToWorse it does]]. [[TheMole Clive finds out his own mother Anabella is a traitor]], [[ParentalBetrayal and orders Clive killed when he's found after the battle at the Phoenix Gate is over]]. But, then she decides to spare him... just to spite her now-dead husband one last time by [[MadeASlave forcibly conscripting Clive into the Empire of Sanbreque as a Branded]]. And it's implied that Anabella is doing all of this just because [[SocialClimber she wants a better social status than she had as the archduchess]], duchess]], [[EvilIsPetty which comes off as chillingly petty]].
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* The prologue/playable demo is a full-fledged DownerBeginning. Not that a story about {{revenge}} was ever going to go smoothly, but the tone that ''XVI'' sets early on makes it clear that the game isn't pulling its punches.

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* The prologue/playable demo is a full-fledged DownerBeginning. Not that a story about {{revenge}} was ever going to go smoothly, but the tone that ''XVI'' sets early on makes it clear that the game isn't pulling its punches.punches, culminating in one of the most tragic deaths in the series that gives [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Aerith]] a run for her money.
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** While the trope of killing off parents and siblings in the franchise is as old as the hills, Joshua is one of the few brothers Square had the guts to give the player time to get to know before their death, in contrast to Reks from ''[[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII]]'' or Nora Estheim from ''[[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII]]'' due their small amount of screentime.

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** While the trope of killing off parents and siblings in the franchise is as old as the hills, Joshua is one of the few brothers Square had the guts to give the player time to get to know before their death, in contrast to Reks from ''[[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII]]'' ''[[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII Final Fantasy XII]]'' or Nora Estheim from ''[[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII]]'' ''[[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII Final Fantasy XIII]]'' due their small amount of screentime.
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** While the trope of killing off parents and siblings in the franchise is as old as the hills, Joshua is one of the few brothers Square had the guts to give the player time to get to know before their death, in contrast to Reks from ''[[VideoGame/Final Fantasy XII]]'' or Nora Estheim from ''[[VideoGame/Final Fantasy XIII]]'' due their small amount of screentime.

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** While the trope of killing off parents and siblings in the franchise is as old as the hills, Joshua is one of the few brothers Square had the guts to give the player time to get to know before their death, in contrast to Reks from ''[[VideoGame/Final Fantasy XII]]'' ''[[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII]]'' or Nora Estheim from ''[[VideoGame/Final Fantasy XIII]]'' ''[[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII]]'' due their small amount of screentime.
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* Joshua’s relationship with Anabella is pretty sad from his perspective, since he was the Phoenix, his mother actually liked him even if he was mean and strict on his well-being.



** And just when you think Clive's day couldn't get any worse, [[FromBadToWorse it does]]. [[TheMole Clive finds out his mother Anabella is a traitor]], [[ParentalBetrayal and orders Clive killed when he's found after the battle at the Phoenix Gate is over]]. But, then she decides to spare him... just to spite her now-dead husband one last time by [[MadeASlave forcibly conscripting Clive into the Empire of Sanbreque as a Branded]]. And it's implied that Anabella is doing all of this just because [[SocialClimber she wants a better social status than she had as the archduchess]], [[EvilIsPetty which comes off as chillingly petty]].

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** And just when you think Clive's day couldn't get any worse, [[FromBadToWorse it does]]. [[TheMole Clive finds out his mother Anabella is a traitor]], [[ParentalBetrayal and orders Clive killed when he's found after the battle at the Phoenix Gate is over]]. But, then she decides to spare him... just to spite her now-dead husband one last time by [[MadeASlave forcibly conscripting Clive into the Empire of Sanbreque as a Branded]]. And it's implied that Anabella is doing all of this just because [[SocialClimber she wants a better social status than she had as the archduchess]], [[EvilIsPetty which comes off as chillingly petty]].petty]].
** While the trope of killing off parents and siblings in the franchise is as old as the hills, Joshua is one of the few brothers Square had the guts to give the player time to get to know before their death, in contrast to Reks from ''[[VideoGame/Final Fantasy XII]]'' or Nora Estheim from ''[[VideoGame/Final Fantasy XIII]]'' due their small amount of screentime.
* It's subtle, but Clive and Joshua never hug each other at any point prior to the former's death. [[CradleOfLoneliness He never even holds him one last time, not even his corpse if it was still there]]. It's possibly one of the saddest scenes in the history of ''Final Fantasy''.
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** The ensuing boss fight against Ifrit sees Joshua [[DeathOfAChild splattered into a red mist by the new Eikon of Fire]]. All the while, Clive can do nothing but watch helplessly as his younger brother is torn apart.
--->'''Clive:''' No! Stop it! Take your hands off my brother! Joshua... Stop it... Stop it! I swore I would protect him... Please... Please, stop it! Joshua! [[BigNo NO!!!]]

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** The ensuing boss fight against Ifrit sees Joshua [[DeathOfAChild splattered into a red mist by the new Eikon of Fire]]. All the while, Clive can do nothing but only watch helplessly in horror as his younger brother is torn apart.
--->'''Clive:''' No! Stop it! Take your hands off my brother! Joshua... Stop it... Stop it! I swore I would protect him... Please... Please, stop it! Joshua! [[BigNo NO!!!]]'''[[BigNo NO!!!]]'''



--->'''Clive:''' Murderer... I'll kill you! ''I'll fucking kill you!''

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--->'''Clive:''' Murderer... I'll kill you! ''I'll fucking '''fucking''' kill you!''
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* The prologue/playable demo is a full-fledged DownerBeginning. Not that a story about {{revenge}} was ever going to go all that smoothly, but the tone that ''XVI'' sets early on makes it clear that the game isn't pulling its punches.
** Clive's status as TheUnfavorite is set very clearly when Anabella shows up. Joshua gets some ParentalFavoritism from Anabella, while Clive gets little more than a DeathGlare and seeing contempt from his mother. The other soldiers even comment on how unfair it is to Clive.
** Joshua gets to witness [[OffWithHisHead his father's head being sliced off right in front of him]]. As if that wasn't bad enough, he even gets covered in Elwin's blood. Small wonder that [[BloodSplatteredInnocents Joshua ends up traumatized enough to]] [[TraumaticSuperPowerAwakening awaken the power of the Phoenix]].

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* The prologue/playable demo is a full-fledged DownerBeginning. Not that a story about {{revenge}} was ever going to go all that smoothly, but the tone that ''XVI'' sets early on makes it clear that the game isn't pulling its punches.
** Clive's status as TheUnfavorite is set very clearly when Anabella shows up. Joshua gets some ParentalFavoritism from Anabella, while Clive gets little more than a DeathGlare and seeing seething contempt from his mother. The other soldiers even comment on how unfair it is to Clive.
** Joshua gets to witness [[OffWithHisHead his father's head being sliced off right in front of him]]. him]] during the battle at the Phoenix Gate. As if that wasn't bad enough, [[BloodSplatteredInnocents he even gets covered in Elwin's blood. blood]]. Small wonder that [[BloodSplatteredInnocents Joshua ends up traumatized enough to]] [[TraumaticSuperPowerAwakening traumatized enough to awaken the power of the Phoenix]].



** And just when you think Clive's day couldn't get any worse, [[FromBadToWorse it does]]. [[TheMole Clive finds out his mother Anabella is a traitor]], [[ParentalBetrayal and orders Clive killed when he's found after the battle at the Phoenix Gate is over]]. But, then she decides to spare him... Just to spite her now-dead husband one last time by [[MadeASlave forcibly conscripting Clive into the Empire of Sanbreque]]. And it's implied that Anabella is doing all of this just because [[SocialClimber she wants a better social status than she had as the archduchess]], [[EvilIsPetty which comes off as chillingly petty]].

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** And just when you think Clive's day couldn't get any worse, [[FromBadToWorse it does]]. [[TheMole Clive finds out his mother Anabella is a traitor]], [[ParentalBetrayal and orders Clive killed when he's found after the battle at the Phoenix Gate is over]]. But, then she decides to spare him... Just just to spite her now-dead husband one last time by [[MadeASlave forcibly conscripting Clive into the Empire of Sanbreque]].Sanbreque as a Branded]]. And it's implied that Anabella is doing all of this just because [[SocialClimber she wants a better social status than she had as the archduchess]], [[EvilIsPetty which comes off as chillingly petty]].
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--->'''Clive:''' Murderer... I'll kill you! I'll fucking kill you!
** And just when you think Clive's day couldn't get any worse, [[FromBadToWorse it does]]. [[TheMole Clive finds out his mother Anabella is a traitor]], [[ParentalBetrayal and orders Clive killed when he's found after the battle at the Phoenix Gate is over]]. But, then she decides to spare him... Just to spite her now-dead husband one last time by [[MadeASlave forcibly conscripting Clive into the Empire of Sanbreque]]. And it's implied that Anabella is doing all of this just because [[SocialClimber she wants a better social status than she had as the duchess]], [[EvilIsPetty which comes off as chillingly petty]].

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--->'''Clive:''' Murderer... I'll kill you! I'll ''I'll fucking kill you!
you!''
** And just when you think Clive's day couldn't get any worse, [[FromBadToWorse it does]]. [[TheMole Clive finds out his mother Anabella is a traitor]], [[ParentalBetrayal and orders Clive killed when he's found after the battle at the Phoenix Gate is over]]. But, then she decides to spare him... Just to spite her now-dead husband one last time by [[MadeASlave forcibly conscripting Clive into the Empire of Sanbreque]]. And it's implied that Anabella is doing all of this just because [[SocialClimber she wants a better social status than she had as the duchess]], archduchess]], [[EvilIsPetty which comes off as chillingly petty]].
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** And just when you think Clive's day couldn't get any worse, [[FromBadToWorse it does]]. [[TheMole Clive finds out his mother Anabella is a traitor]], and orders Clive killed. But, then she decides to spare him... Just to spite her now-dead husband one last time by [[MadeASlave forcibly conscripting Clive into the Empire of Sanbreque]]. And it's implied that Anabella is doing all of this just because [[SocialClimber she wants a better social status than she had as the duchess]], [[EvilIsPetty which comes off as chillingly petty]].

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** And just when you think Clive's day couldn't get any worse, [[FromBadToWorse it does]]. [[TheMole Clive finds out his mother Anabella is a traitor]], [[ParentalBetrayal and orders Clive killed.killed when he's found after the battle at the Phoenix Gate is over]]. But, then she decides to spare him... Just to spite her now-dead husband one last time by [[MadeASlave forcibly conscripting Clive into the Empire of Sanbreque]]. And it's implied that Anabella is doing all of this just because [[SocialClimber she wants a better social status than she had as the duchess]], [[EvilIsPetty which comes off as chillingly petty]].
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** And just when you think Clive's day couldn't get any worse, [[FromBadToWorse it does]]. He finds out his mother is a traitor, and orders Clive killed. But, then she decides to spare him... Just to spite her now-dead husband one last time by [[MadeASlave forcibly conscripting Clive into the Empire of Sanbreque]]. And it's implied that Anabella is doing all of this just because [[SocialClimber she wants a better social status than she had as the duchess]], [[EvilIsPetty which comes off as chillingly petty]].

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** And just when you think Clive's day couldn't get any worse, [[FromBadToWorse it does]]. He [[TheMole Clive finds out his mother Anabella is a traitor, traitor]], and orders Clive killed. But, then she decides to spare him... Just to spite her now-dead husband one last time by [[MadeASlave forcibly conscripting Clive into the Empire of Sanbreque]]. And it's implied that Anabella is doing all of this just because [[SocialClimber she wants a better social status than she had as the duchess]], [[EvilIsPetty which comes off as chillingly petty]].
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It's a ''Final Fantasy'' game, so of course it has these. But ''XVI'' holding its status as a DarkerAndEdgier entry in the mainline series gives it plenty of opportunity to tug at the heartstrings.
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* The prologue/playable demo is a full-fledged DownerBeginning. Not that a story about {{revenge}} was ever going to go all that smoothly, but the tone that ''XVI'' sets early on makes it clear that the game isn't pulling its punches.
** Clive's status as TheUnfavorite is set very clearly when Anabella shows up. Joshua gets some ParentalFavoritism from Anabella, while Clive gets little more than a DeathGlare and seeing contempt from his mother. The other soldiers even comment on how unfair it is to Clive.
** Joshua gets to witness [[OffWithHisHead his father's head being sliced off right in front of him]]. As if that wasn't bad enough, he even gets covered in Elwin's blood. Small wonder that [[BloodSplatteredInnocents Joshua ends up traumatized enough to]] [[TraumaticSuperPowerAwakening awaken the power of the Phoenix]].
** The ensuing boss fight against Ifrit sees Joshua [[DeathOfAChild splattered into a red mist by the new Eikon of Fire]]. All the while, Clive can do nothing but watch helplessly as his younger brother is torn apart.
--->'''Clive:''' No! Stop it! Take your hands off my brother! Joshua... Stop it... Stop it! I swore I would protect him... Please... Please, stop it! Joshua! [[BigNo NO!!!]]
** Clive's words after Joshua's death really sell it. The sheer ''rage'' and sorrow in his voice is enough to send chills down your spine, while also breaking your heart.
--->'''Clive:''' Murderer... I'll kill you! I'll fucking kill you!
** And just when you think Clive's day couldn't get any worse, [[FromBadToWorse it does]]. He finds out his mother is a traitor, and orders Clive killed. But, then she decides to spare him... Just to spite her now-dead husband one last time by [[MadeASlave forcibly conscripting Clive into the Empire of Sanbreque]]. And it's implied that Anabella is doing all of this just because [[SocialClimber she wants a better social status than she had as the duchess]], [[EvilIsPetty which comes off as chillingly petty]].

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