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** It gets even sadder when Cloud attempts to follow his timeline's Aerith in the Sleeping Forest only to be subdued by the White Whispers under her command. Given their behavior here and at the Forgotten Capital, it's likely that they were trying to stop Cloud from interfering in what Aerith herself set out to do, which involved putting herself at great risk and would result in at least one version of her dying at Sephiroth's hands.
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** It gets even sadder when Cloud attempts to follow his timeline's Aerith in the Sleeping Forest only to be subdued by the White Whispers under her command. Given their behavior here and at the Forgotten Capital, it's likely that they were trying to stop Cloud from interfering in what Aerith herself set out to do, which involved putting herself at great risk and would result in at least one version of her dying at Sephiroth's hands. All Cloud can do is desperately call out to her, while her duty forces her to ignore his pleas and walk away from him without even looking back. Depending on how one [[AmbiguousSituation interprets the ending]], this is also potentially the last conversation they ever have before her death, and they don't even get a chance for a proper goodbye; even the ''original game'' had more of a goodbye, with Aerith telling Cloud to take care of himself and that she would be back soon. Here, the two don't even get that luxury.
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*** As for the party, they are completely unaware of what Cloud saw. Cloud's statement could be taken in two ways from their perspective. Either Cloud is claiming he will never be like Sephiroth or he will never be a Black Robe. Based on what they've seen of Cloud, he's been acting like both and nothing they are doing seems to be slowing it down. Only Tifa offers any comfort and even she sounds incredibly unsure of herself.
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* If one returns to Gongaga during this chapter to do the "Woodland Vigil", reaching the end of it reveals that Cissnei [[ItsAllMyFault blames herself for sending Zack to his death]] and that she goes out on the specific patrol to mourn him alone, likely over her guilt of initially not assisting Zack and a comatose Cloud during the latter chapters of ''VideoGame/CrisisCore''.
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** Zack's preparing to die upon defeating Sephiroth and almost being hit by Meteor. Thankfully, he ends up surviving, but it almost feels like a YankTheDogsChain moment after his initial survival back in ''Remake''.
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* The personal trials each character sans Cloud goes through in the Temple of the Ancients forces them to confront painful moments of their past. And while they've succeeded, there's no clear indication that any of them have gotten over what the Temple forced them to witness.
** Red XIII's trial forces him to remember his trauma of being a lab rat of Hojo's.
** Red XIII's trial forces him to remember his trauma of being a lab rat of Hojo's.
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* The personal trials each character sans Cloud goes through in the Temple of the Ancients forces them to confront painful moments the worst memories of their past. And while they've succeeded, there's no clear indication that any of them have gotten over what the Temple forced them to witness.
** Red XIII's trial forces him to remember histrauma of being a abduction by Shinra, and then becoming Hojo's lab rat of Hojo's.rat.
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*** He ends up reliving the night the Sector 7 plate fell. He once again sees Biggs' dead body, Tifa crying over Jessie, and is now taunted by Sephiroth for his lack of emotion, culminating in him killing a Black Robe in his mania. He defiantly proclaims that he will never become like Sephiroth, with the audience, the party, and himself knowing full well that he's losing his mind, and it's clear from his tone that he's saying it out of desperation.
*** While not explicitly stated, anyone familiar with the events of the original game and ''VideoGame/CrisisCore'' know that the night Sector 7 fell is absolutely not his worst memory, because he's been suppressing the actual one completely - as shown by what he changed in the ending of ''Remake'', his true worst memory is the day Zack (initially) died.
*** He ends up reliving the night the Sector 7 plate fell. He once again sees Biggs' dead body, Tifa crying over Jessie, and is now taunted by Sephiroth for his lack of emotion, culminating in him killing a Black Robe in his mania. He defiantly proclaims that he will never become like Sephiroth, with the audience, the party, and himself knowing full well that he's losing his mind, and it's clear from his tone that he's saying it out of desperation.
*** While not explicitly stated, anyone familiar with the events of the original game and ''VideoGame/CrisisCore'' know that the night Sector 7 fell is absolutely not his worst memory, because he's been suppressing the actual one completely - as shown by what he changed in the ending of ''Remake'', his true worst memory is the day Zack (initially) died.
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* When looking for Dio in the theme park, Cloud can run into Tifa and Barret. Both are feeling disheartened - Tifa is feeling like her efforts aren't making a difference compared to the hope she started out with, and Barret is looking at Jessie's poster and remembering how her chance to be a star was cut short. Cloud can thankfully help cheer both of them up.
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* When looking for Dio in the theme park, Cloud can run into Tifa and Barret. Both are feeling disheartened - disheartened, with Tifa is feeling like her efforts aren't making a difference compared to the hope she started out with, and Barret is looking at Jessie's poster and remembering how her chance to be a star was cut short. Cloud can thankfully help cheer both of them up.
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** Later on, after Sephiroth tries to kill her, Tifa sees visions of her friends, Zangan and her father encouraging her to life but when it gets to Cloud he walks away following after Sephiroth showing how much of a hold he has over Cloud.
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** Later on, after Sephiroth tries to kill her, Tifa sees visions of her friends, Zangan Zangan, and her father Dr. Sheiran encouraging her to life but when it gets to Cloud he walks away following after Sephiroth showing how much of a hold he has over Cloud.
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* The play and date night are generally one big heartwarming moment, but there's a few bittersweet notes. Getting to see a hologram of Jessie be the star leading lady she always wanted, and the (implied to be) spirits of she, Wedge and Biggs channelled during Aerith's performance of the theme song.
* 'No Promises to Keep' also qualifies, as there's a distinct undertone of being separated from a loved one and hoping for a reunion to the lyrics. By the end Aerith herself is in tears.
** The camera also briefly cuts to Vincent during the number - given his status as a parallel to Cloud, he's likely thinking of his own lost love during the number.
* For veteran players, getting Aerith's date can be as sad as it is heartwarming. In the original game the date with her was a nice bit of narrative pay off to the 'one date for Cloud being her bodyguard' deal before the [[PlayerPunch later twist]]. For returning players to ''Rebirth'', it instead feels bittersweet knowing this might be the last fun night the player (and Cloud) gets with Aerith before the inevitable potentially happens for a second time.
** On Aerith's date she also goes out of her way to reassure Cloud that she wants to spend time with him and not Zack, as he's keeping his distance at first in the gondola.
* The play and date night are generally one big heartwarming moment, but there's a few bittersweet notes. Getting to see a hologram of Jessie be the star leading lady she always wanted, and the (implied to be) spirits of she, Wedge and Biggs channelled during Aerith's performance of the theme song.
* 'No Promises to Keep' also qualifies, as there's a distinct undertone of being separated from a loved one and hoping for a reunion to the lyrics. By the end Aerith herself is in tears.
** The camera also briefly cuts to Vincent during the number - given his status as a parallel to Cloud, he's likely thinking of his own lost love during the number.
* For veteran players, getting Aerith's date can be as sad as it is heartwarming. In the original game the date with her was a nice bit of narrative pay off to the 'one date for Cloud being her bodyguard' deal before the [[PlayerPunch later twist]]. For returning players to ''Rebirth'', it instead feels bittersweet knowing this might be the last fun night the player (and Cloud) gets with Aerith before the inevitable potentially happens for a second time.
** On Aerith's date she also goes out of her way to reassure Cloud that she wants to spend time with him and not Zack, as he's keeping his distance at first in the gondola.
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* While in Nibelheim Cloud begins remembering Zack and is left horrified that he could have forgotten his best friend in SOLDIER which he believes is another sign that the degradation is getting worse. He later gets confused, believing Zack was the one who drowned in the river - and Tifa is too uneasy to correct him in the moment, likely planning to get together with Aerith so they can all figure out what really happened at the same time, and help Cloud through the realisation that he [[TomatoInTheMirror never made SOLDIER]]. It's also a sad moment for Aerith - both Cloud and Tifa know they will have to tell her that Zack is very likely definitely never coming back. Cloud also describes Zack as 'head over heels for Aerith', which is sad on two counts: first for the thought that Zack and Aerith never got to reunite, and also for Cloud's mixed feelings [[ShipTease that the first love Aerith mentioned was also his best friend and kind-of mentor]].
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* While in Nibelheim Nibelheim, Cloud begins remembering Zack and is left horrified that he could have forgotten his best friend in SOLDIER which he believes is another sign that the degradation is getting worse. He later gets confused, believing Zack was the one who drowned in the river - river, and Tifa is too uneasy to correct him in the moment, likely planning to get together with Aerith so they can all figure out what really happened at the same time, and help Cloud through the realisation that he [[TomatoInTheMirror never made SOLDIER]]. It's also a sad moment for Aerith - Aerith, as both Cloud and Tifa know they will have to tell her that Zack is very likely definitely never coming back. Cloud also describes Zack as 'head over heels for Aerith', which is sad on two counts: first for the thought that Zack and Aerith never got to reunite, and also for Cloud's mixed feelings [[ShipTease that the first love Aerith mentioned was also his best friend and kind-of mentor]].
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** The [[GameplayAndStoryIntegration mechanics of his boss fight drive this home, too]]. Roche now hits much harder than he did in ''Remake'' with more special attacks, but if the player uses Assess or observes his animations they can figure out the way to beat him: after each special attack Roche will momentarily pause and have to recover himself, and the player has the opportunity to pressure him in this window. In other words, even though Roche can do more damage faster if the player isn't careful, he is visibly struggling to keep it up because of the advanced degradation of his body. And he seemingly ''willingly volunteered'' to do this, all because he wanted to defeat Cloud - though he may not have known the full extent of the likely side effects when he did so...
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** The [[GameplayAndStoryIntegration mechanics of his boss fight drive this home, too]]. Roche now hits much harder than he did in ''Remake'' with more special attacks, but if the player uses Assess or observes his animations they can figure out the way to beat him: after each special attack Roche will momentarily pause and have to recover himself, and the player has the opportunity to pressure him in this window. In other words, even though Roche can do more damage faster if the player isn't careful, he is visibly struggling to keep it up because of the advanced degradation of his body. And he seemingly ''willingly volunteered'' to do this, all because he wanted to defeat Cloud - Cloud, though he may not have known the full extent of the likely side effects when he did so...
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* While in Nibelheim Cloud begins remembering Zack and is left horrified that he could have forgotten his best friend in SOLDIER which he believes is another sign that the degradation is getting worse. He later gets confused, believing Zack was the one who drowned in the river - and Tifa is too uneasy to correct him in the moment,
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* While in Nibelheim Cloud begins remembering Zack and is left horrified that he could have forgotten his best friend in SOLDIER which he believes is another sign that the degradation is getting worse. He later gets confused, believing Zack was the one who drowned in the river - and Tifa is too uneasy to correct him in the moment, likely planning to get together with Aerith so they can all figure out what really happened at the same time, and help Cloud through the realisation that he [[TomatoInTheMirror never made SOLDIER]]. It's also a sad moment for Aerith - both Cloud and Tifa know they will have to tell her that Zack is very likely definitely never coming back. Cloud also describes Zack as 'head over heels for Aerith', which is sad on two counts: first for the thought that Zack and Aerith never got to reunite, and also for Cloud's mixed feelings [[ShipTease that the first love Aerith mentioned was also his best friend and kind-of mentor]].
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* In the original Shinra rebuilt Nibelheim but hired actors in an attempt to cover up what had happened. In ''Rebirth'', Shinra still rebuilds Nibelheim but repurposes the town into a treatment centre for/observation of the black robed men. It's nice to see them get some care for once, but it's also disturbing and sad to see that there are enough of them to essentially repopulate an entire destroyed town and it serves as a symbol for what happened to Cloud and Tifa's childhood home: it's been rebuilt, but it's not their home anymore, it's a monument to the damage Shinra has done (and even before Sephiroth burned it down the town contained Shinra Manor, which hid numerous dark secrets of its own).
* While in Nibelheim Cloud begins remembering Zack and is left horrified that he could have forgotten his best friend in SOLDIER which he believes is another sign that the degradation is getting worse. He later gets confused, believing Zack was the one who drowned in the river - and Tifa is too uneasy to correct him in the moment,
* While in Nibelheim Cloud begins remembering Zack and is left horrified that he could have forgotten his best friend in SOLDIER which he believes is another sign that the degradation is getting worse. He later gets confused, believing Zack was the one who drowned in the river - and Tifa is too uneasy to correct him in the moment,
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** The [[GameplayAndStoryIntegration mechanics of his boss fight drive this home, too]]. Roche now hits much harder than he did in ''Remake'' with more special attacks, but if the player uses Assess or observes his animations they can figure out the way to beat him: after each attack Roche will momentarily pause and have to recover himself, and the player has the opportunity to pressure him in this window. In other words, even though Roche can do more damage faster if the player isn't careful, he is visibly struggling to keep it up because of the advanced degradation of his body. And he seemingly ''willingly volunteered'' to do this, all because he wanted to defeat Cloud - though he may not have known the full extent of the likely side effects when he did so...
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** The [[GameplayAndStoryIntegration mechanics of his boss fight drive this home, too]]. Roche now hits much harder than he did in ''Remake'' with more special attacks, but if the player uses Assess or observes his animations they can figure out the way to beat him: after each special attack Roche will momentarily pause and have to recover himself, and the player has the opportunity to pressure him in this window. In other words, even though Roche can do more damage faster if the player isn't careful, he is visibly struggling to keep it up because of the advanced degradation of his body. And he seemingly ''willingly volunteered'' to do this, all because he wanted to defeat Cloud - though he may not have known the full extent of the likely side effects when he did so...
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** Throughout the basement in Shinra Manor there is graffiti on the walls, likely done by Vincent himself - in addition to [[https://www.tumblr.com/phantomyre/746608829334175744/did-vincent-do-this?source=share a drawing of Lucrecia]], there are also phrases like 'turn back', 'beware of monsters', and 'abandon all hope', possibly a sign of [[MadnessMantra being down in the basement alone for too long]]. It's also possible that other people wrote on the walls over the years, serving as a record of yet more of Hojo's victims.
* It's also a noticeable theme throughout Shinra manor that the experiments encountered there are suffering. If Aerith is in the party, she comments that the Forgotten Specimen appears to be in pain in the second phase of the fight, a fiend encountered in a subplot is also implied to be calling out for help, and then of course there's [[DarkAndTroubledPast Vincent himself]].
* It's also a noticeable theme throughout Shinra manor that the experiments encountered there are suffering. If Aerith is in the party, she comments that the Forgotten Specimen appears to be in pain in the second phase of the fight, a fiend encountered in a subplot is also implied to be calling out for help, and then of course there's [[DarkAndTroubledPast Vincent himself]].
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* The meeting with Vincent gets across how broken the events with the JENOVA Project have left him. He awkwardly tries to pass himself off as security for the manor before [[TechnologicallyBlindElders struggling to use a card reader]], then turns hostile when the party pries into one of the other rooms, transforms and attacks them. Barret also refers to him as a "freak", which is especially depressing given Barret despises Shinra more than any of the party and many of them have spoken about how much they hate Hojo (the party also empathises with Forgotten Specimen, who is fought right beforehand and is also in pain from the experiments inflicted upon it), but they haven't realized Vincent's ability to shapeshift was forced upon him by the exact same scientist. The encounter ends with Cait Sith failing to persuade him to join the party after trying to empathize with him and asking if this is how he wants his story to end, and Vincent staggers back into the coffin room, either hurt from the fight, the transformation, or both.
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* The meeting with Vincent gets across how broken the events with the JENOVA Project have left him. He awkwardly tries to pass himself off as security for the manor before [[TechnologicallyBlindElders struggling to use a card reader]], then turns hostile when the party pries into one of the other rooms, transforms and attacks them. Barret also refers to him as a "freak", which is especially depressing given Barret despises Shinra more than any of the party and many of them have spoken about how much they hate Hojo (the party also empathises empathizes with the Forgotten Specimen, who which is fought right beforehand and is also in pain from the experiments inflicted upon it), but they haven't realized Vincent's ability to shapeshift was forced upon him by the exact same scientist. The encounter ends with Cait Sith failing to persuade him to join the party after trying to empathize with him and asking if this is how he wants his story to end, and Vincent staggers back into the coffin room, either hurt from the fight, the transformation, or both.
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* The meeting with Vincent gets across how broken the events with the JENOVA Project have left him. He awkwardly tries to pass himself off as security for the manor before [[TechnologicallyBlindElders struggling to use a card reader]], then turns hostile when the party pries into one of the other rooms, transforms and attacks them. Barret also refers to him as a "freak", which is especially depressing given Barret despises Shinra more than any of the party and many of them have spoken about how much they hate Hojo, but they haven't realized Vincent's ability to shapeshift was forced upon him by the exact same scientist. The encounter ends with Cait Sith failing to persuade him to join the party after trying to empathize with him and asking if this is how he wants his story to end, and Vincent staggers back into the coffin room, either hurt from the fight, the transformation, or both.
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* The meeting with Vincent gets across how broken the events with the JENOVA Project have left him. He awkwardly tries to pass himself off as security for the manor before [[TechnologicallyBlindElders struggling to use a card reader]], then turns hostile when the party pries into one of the other rooms, transforms and attacks them. Barret also refers to him as a "freak", which is especially depressing given Barret despises Shinra more than any of the party and many of them have spoken about how much they hate Hojo, Hojo (the party also empathises with Forgotten Specimen, who is fought right beforehand and is also in pain from the experiments inflicted upon it), but they haven't realized Vincent's ability to shapeshift was forced upon him by the exact same scientist. The encounter ends with Cait Sith failing to persuade him to join the party after trying to empathize with him and asking if this is how he wants his story to end, and Vincent staggers back into the coffin room, either hurt from the fight, the transformation, or both.
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* Roche's death. After being defeated by Cloud in their third fight in Junon (the first fight, two in ''Remake''), Roche agrees to let Hojo experiment on him and augment his abilities with Mako. mako. However, this means that he is slowly dying from cellular degradation due to the Mako mako infusion. And sure enough, once his final fight with Cloud ends, he dies from Mako mako poisoning soon after and becomes another Sephiroth clone. Cloud is left shaken after seeing Roche's fate, realizing that the same thing is likely going to happen to him too.
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** It gets even sadder when Cloud attempts to follow his timeline's Aerith in the Sleeping Forest only to be subdued by the White Whispers under her command. Given their behavior here and at the Forgotten Capital, it's likely that Aerith or the Planet wanted to spare Cloud the trauma of witnessing her death at the hands of Sephiroth.
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