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* Depending on your choices [[spoiler: if Tiffany knows Bruce is Batman, she begins work on updating some of Batman's tech. Her first design is for a ''assault rifle''. One of Bruce's reactions is to all but recoil in horror stating he ''hates'' guns after what happened to his parents. Tiffany quickly apologizes and asks Bruce if he's ever thought about using one in his work as Batman. Bruce can respond that if he ever started down that path, he'd never come back.]]
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** If Bruce calls John "crazy" when he brings the favor up, John -- struggling to keep his composure -- replies that 'crazy' is can be a derogatory word, and a weapon has been used to stigmatize people. It plays just a lot like someone trying to testily correct a friend after they've said something extremely offensive and hurtful.
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** As you approach him in the carnival hideout, you'll hear sobbing with a tinge of laughter. Bruce will find him [[spoiler: In a room of dead agents, having what sounds like a genuine FreakOut over the corpses and concern over how Bruce is going to take it]]
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** He sounds so defeated (and a [[DrowningMySorrows bit drunk]]) when you encounter him in Harley's office.
** He calls out Bruce for just using him at the hideout, begging Bruce to at least admit to that rather than tell another lie.
* [[spoiler: Finding Alfred unconscious in the cave. It becomes clear quick that he's not dead, but it's still concerning to hear Alfred talk to Bruce as if he's his father Thomas and Bruce pleading for Alfred to [[PleaseWakeUp wake up.]]]]
** He sounds so defeated (and a [[DrowningMySorrows bit drunk]]) when you encounter him in Harley's office.
** He calls out Bruce for just using him at the hideout, begging Bruce to at least admit to that rather than tell another lie.
* [[spoiler: Finding Alfred unconscious in the cave. It becomes clear quick that he's not dead, but it's still concerning to hear Alfred talk to Bruce as if he's his father Thomas and Bruce pleading for Alfred to [[PleaseWakeUp wake up.]]]]
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* As chilling as John's downward slide into SanitySlippage is this episode, there are parts that heartbreaking as well.
* As chilling as John's downward slide into SanitySlippage is this episode, there are parts that heartbreaking as well.
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** [[spoiler:Selina's horror at seeing Bruce frozen is even worse if they have just begun to genuinely open up to each other and become partners, whether platonic or romantic.]]
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** If Bruce Wayne speaks up for him, Gordon ends up feeling ashamed, and with good reason - [[spoiler: he believed Bruce to be corrupt like his father, and has just attempted to arrest him, only to be stopped and fired by Waller, and yet, despite all the reason Bruce should have to hate him, Bruce steps up for him instead.]]
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* The ending scene, [[spoiler:whether it's Bruce or Catwoman who's left in peril. If he sells out Catwoman as the mole, Bruce is horrified by Harley immediately trying to kill her and tries (and fails) to save her. If it's Bruce, Catwoman and John are clearly hurt by watching him get locked up in Freeze's machine and left to die.]]
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* The ending scene, [[spoiler:whether it's Bruce or Catwoman who's left in peril. If he sells out Catwoman as the mole, Bruce is horrified by Harley immediately trying to kill her and tries (and fails) to save her. If it's Bruce, Catwoman and John are clearly hurt by watching him get locked up in Freeze's machine and left to die.]]
* Gordon's decline in this episode is hard to watch.
* The ending scene, [[spoiler:whether it's Bruce or Catwoman who's left in peril. If he sells out Catwoman as the mole, Bruce is horrified by Harley immediately trying to kill her and tries (and fails) to save her. If it's Bruce, Catwoman and John are clearly hurt by watching him get locked up in Freeze's machine and left to die.]]
* Gordon's decline in this episode is hard to watch.
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* Depending on your choice at the climax, [[spoiler: Harley Quinn may be left behind in the police ambush, her fate uncertain. John Doe is genuinely ''heartbroken'', and won't stop demanding the rest of the group go back and save her. Seeing a version of the Joker [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes care about her this much]] is both heartwarming and depressing.]]
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* The mechanic who dies saving Batman from being killed by Bane. Batman just sounds so ''defeated'' when he learns he didn't make it.
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* Depending on how [[spoiler: you handle the scene in Lucius' lab, you may have to find a way to keep Harley from hurting Tiffany. If you try to ward off Harley by declaring Tiffany family the young woman will growl ''"You're no family of mine."'']]
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* Just before Bruce enters the study after returning from Wayne Enterprises Alfred is sitting slumped over in an armchair with his hands clasped before him, ''trembling''. He recovers as Bruce enters, but it's clear the damage from his experience with Lady Arkham is by no means fading away. If anything, with all that's happening it might be getting ''worse''.
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!! Episode 2
* If you left Agent Avesta traumatized last episode, then Blake blames himself for what happened.
* If you left Agent Avesta traumatized last episode, then Blake blames himself for what happened.
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* Similarly, Agent Avesta ends Episode 1 either "Traumatized" (if you [[spoiler: let her be deafened by Riddler's sonic blasts]]) or "Guilt-Ridden" (if you [[spoiler: let her fellow agents die]]). [[SadisticChoice There's no good outcome for her.]]
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* TheReveal during the political debate [[spoiler: shown by the Sons of Arkham: not only was Thomas Wayne a CorruptCorporateExecutive, but also, [[AnOfferYouCantRefuse if his offers were refused]], he drove his opposition insane with a chemical and had them forcibly committed to Arkham Asylum. Esther Cobblepot's tearful pleas and appeals to their childrens' friendship fall on deaf ears as [[CompleteMonster Thomas instructs a hired goon]] [[MoralEventHorizon to "Give her a dose she won't come back from."]]. Once again, Bruce (and everyone's) reaction was of pure horror]].
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** For all his stiff upper lip and reserve it is very clear over the course of the episode that Alfred has ''not'' recovered from the trauma of his kidnapping and torture by Lady Arkham: his hands shake from time to time. At one point you see him at the Lady Arkham trophy case, just staring at her shattered mask.
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** For all his stiff upper lip and reserve reserve, it is very clear over the course of the episode that Alfred has ''not'' recovered from the trauma of his kidnapping and torture by Lady Arkham: Arkham; his hands shake from time to time. At one point you see him at the Lady Arkham trophy case, just staring at her shattered mask.
** If Bruce isn't careful to [[spoiler:remind him that they can't take the death of Lucius personally, and allows him to watch the video]], Alfred -- the only remaining family Bruce has, and his closest moral advisor -- [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness will turn "Vengeful" and approve of Batman's methods becoming more violent]]; even the most positive outcome, achieved by doing the exact opposite, leaves him "Grieving" instead. Whatever the case, this episode hits him hard.
** If Bruce isn't careful to [[spoiler:remind him that they can't take the death of Lucius personally, and allows him to watch the video]], Alfred -- the only remaining family Bruce has, and his closest moral advisor -- [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness will turn "Vengeful" and approve of Batman's methods becoming more violent]]; even the most positive outcome, achieved by doing the exact opposite, leaves him "Grieving" instead. Whatever the case, this episode hits him hard.
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Batman has always been a story full of tragedy, and the Telltale series is no exception.
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* As is natural for the origin story of Batman, the deaths of Thomas and Martha Wayne are seen, and it's tragic to watch Joe Chill kill them. Bruce even keeps the bloodstained tickets from the night of the movie.
* The very end of the story, when Carmine Falcone reveals an unsettling truth: [[spoiler: Thomas Wayne was connected to the mob, and was a criminal.]]
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* As is natural for the origin story In general, any of Batman, the deaths of Thomas Bruce's mentions towards his parents or his reactions related to them can be this. He's very clearly still traumatized by what happened that horrible night, and Martha Wayne are seen, and it's tragic can react with lots of pain in his heart to watch Joe Chill kill them. Bruce it. He even keeps the bloodstained tickets from the night of the movie.
movie, and can later [[spoiler: choose to keep them or to destroy them]].
** [[spoiler: When the cops come to register Wayne Manor, one of them accidentally broke the glass on a picture of his parents. Bruce's reaction is clearly tragic]].
* In a way, [[DoomedByCanon Harvey Dent]]'s appearance can be this, because knowing he's still not Two-Face, by this point anyone can tell [[ForegoneConclusion his dreams of becoming Mayor are going to end badly]]. [[spoiler: And sure enough, they do, [[YouCantFightFate even when you try all you can to save him later]]]].
* The very end of the story, when Carmine Falcone reveals an unsettling truth: [[spoiler: Thomas Wayne was connected to the mob, andwas a criminal.]]
[[RageBreakingPoint Bruce's reaction towards Alfred really cements this]]. Up until this point, Bruce has seen his family name be slandered again and again, and he's done nothing but try to defend his parents' reputation all the time. Yet, this moment, when Bruce realizes that his parents who he (as well as the rest of Gotham) always saw as perfect role models, were actually in cahoots with the mafia, is enough to have him [[NotSoStoic showcase his horror even when wearing the mask and]] [[SayMyName yell at Alfred for what he hid from him]]]].
** [[spoiler: When the cops come to register Wayne Manor, one of them accidentally broke the glass on a picture of his parents. Bruce's reaction is clearly tragic]].
* In a way, [[DoomedByCanon Harvey Dent]]'s appearance can be this, because knowing he's still not Two-Face, by this point anyone can tell [[ForegoneConclusion his dreams of becoming Mayor are going to end badly]]. [[spoiler: And sure enough, they do, [[YouCantFightFate even when you try all you can to save him later]]]].
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* "Alfred won't forget that." Heartwarming if you chose to forgive him; if you don't, the reverse.
* TheReveal regarding how Thomas Wayne factored in with everyone else - [[spoiler: if his [[AnOfferYouCantRefuse offers were refused]], he drove his opposition insane with a chemical and had them forcibly committed to Arkham Asylum. Esther Cobblepot's tearful pleas and appeals to their childrens' friendship fall on deaf ears as Thomas instructs a hired goon to "Give her a dose she won't come back from."]]
* At the end of the episode, Bruce is faced with a viciously SadisticChoice: Save Catwoman (who is being attacked by gun-wielding thugs) or save Harvey (who is about to be smashed with a kleig light by Penguin). [[spoiler: Choosing the former disfigures Harvey into Two-Face, and choosing the latter causes Catwoman to lose her faith in altruism. And there's not enough time to save them both -- you ''have'' to choose one.]]
* TheReveal regarding how Thomas Wayne factored in with everyone else - [[spoiler: if his [[AnOfferYouCantRefuse offers were refused]], he drove his opposition insane with a chemical and had them forcibly committed to Arkham Asylum. Esther Cobblepot's tearful pleas and appeals to their childrens' friendship fall on deaf ears as Thomas instructs a hired goon to "Give her a dose she won't come back from."]]
* At the end of the episode, Bruce is faced with a viciously SadisticChoice: Save Catwoman (who is being attacked by gun-wielding thugs) or save Harvey (who is about to be smashed with a kleig light by Penguin). [[spoiler: Choosing the former disfigures Harvey into Two-Face, and choosing the latter causes Catwoman to lose her faith in altruism. And there's not enough time to save them both -- you ''have'' to choose one.]]
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* The opening scene in Crime Alley is filled with this. Not only this comes right after the events at the end of the first chapter [[spoiler: and the revelation that Thomas and Martha Wayne were associated with the mob]], but it's also a really hard moment for Bruce, as he not only remembers the deaths of his parents at the hands of Joe Chill, but also has to confront [[spoiler: the fact that Chill didn't kill them for cash, but because he was a hitman]]. The GrayRainOfDepression and Alfred's sad retelling didn't help at all.
** If you choose [[spoiler: not to forgive Alfred for hiding the truth to you]], the "Alfred won't forgetthat." Heartwarming if you chose to forgive him; if you don't, that" line can come off as this; whereas forgiving him can be this with [[HeartwarmingMoments happy tears]].
** As is natural for thereverse.
* TheReveal regarding howorigin story of Batman, the deaths of Thomas and Martha Wayne are shown in full display, and as we can see in his flashbacks, [[spoiler: not only did his parents payed for the special screenings of the film he loved, but also, when facing certain death, Thomas Wayne factored in with everyone else - stepped forward to protect his son and his wife. For all the stuff he did, [[VillainsDyingGrace he was ready to sacrifice his own life to protect Bruce]]]].
* The death of [[spoiler: Carmine Falcone]] can come across as this. [[spoiler: Even if most would agrree (and even choose to say in-game) that [[AssholeVictim he had it coming]], his last moments were actually quite nice and calm, and he even could reveal that he had some form of appreciation for Bruce]].
** Renee Montoya's reaction [[spoiler: after finding out that she was drugged and that [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone she shot Falcone while under its effects]]. She even pleaded with Gordon for him to believe her]].
* TheReveal during the political debate [[spoiler: shown by the Sons of Arkham: not only was Thomas Wayne a CorruptCorporateExecutive, but also, [[AnOfferYouCantRefuse if his offers were refused]], he drove his opposition insane with a chemical and had them forcibly committed to Arkham Asylum. Esther Cobblepot's tearful pleas and appeals to their childrens' friendship fall on deaf ears as [[CompleteMonster Thomas instructs a hiredgoon goon]] [[MoralEventHorizon to "Give her a dose she won't come back from."]]
"]]. Once again, Bruce (and everyone's) reaction was of pure horror]].
* At the end of the episode, Bruce is faced with a viciously SadisticChoice: Save Catwoman (who is being attacked by gun-wielding thugs) or save Harvey (who is about to be smashed with a kleig light by Penguin). [[spoiler: Choosing the former disfigures Harvey into Two-Face, and choosing the latter causes Catwoman to lose her faith in altruism. And there's not enough time to save them both -- you ''have'' to choose one.]]
And the [[SarcasmMode best part]]? Even if you save Harvey from being scarred, [[MortonsFork he still becomes Two-Face anyways]]]]!
** If you choose [[spoiler: not to forgive Alfred for hiding the truth to you]], the "Alfred won't forget
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* TheReveal regarding how
* The death of [[spoiler: Carmine Falcone]] can come across as this. [[spoiler: Even if most would agrree (and even choose to say in-game) that [[AssholeVictim he had it coming]], his last moments were actually quite nice and calm, and he even could reveal that he had some form of appreciation for Bruce]].
** Renee Montoya's reaction [[spoiler: after finding out that she was drugged and that [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone she shot Falcone while under its effects]]. She even pleaded with Gordon for him to believe her]].
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** For all his stiff upper lip and reserve it is very clear over the course of the episode that Alfred has ''not'' recovered from the trauma of his kidnapping and torture by Lady Arkham: his hands shake from time to time. At one point you see him at the Lady Arkham trophy case, just staring at her shattered mask.
