History SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism / AnimatedFilms

22nd May '16 3:48:13 AM DiscoTam
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* WesternAnimation/BatmanMaskOfThePhantasm is blisteringly cynical for a kids superhero cartoon. (The major theme is that Batman's life always takes a turn for the worst and that he is damned to sadness and loneliness).

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* WesternAnimation/BatmanMaskOfThePhantasm is blisteringly cynical for a kids kids' superhero cartoon. (The major theme is that Batman's life always takes a turn for the worst worse and that he is damned to sadness and loneliness).
24th Aug '15 11:32:12 AM Spaghetti725
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* ''{{Disney/Pocahontas}}'' seems like it's on the cynical end of the scale. The entire film builds towards a war and bloodshed that seems inevitable. Even Pocahontas despairs after one of her people is killed. But she's motivated to do something anyway and is able to stop an execution and potential genocide - all by appealing to her father simply as a daughter. Although the ending is bittersweet, it's still on the Idealistic end.

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* ''{{Disney/Pocahontas}}'' seems like it's on the cynical end of the scale. The entire film builds towards a war and bloodshed that seems inevitable. Even Pocahontas despairs after one of her people is killed. But she's motivated to do something anyway and is able to stop an execution and potential genocide - all by appealing to her father simply as a daughter. Although the ending is bittersweet, it's still on the Idealistic end.end.
* Likewise, ''WesternAnimation/TheLEGOMovie'' does dabble in a bit of cynicism, primarily at the beginning of the film, where most of the townspeople of Bricksberg seem creatively inept and are happy running on BreadAndCircuses, much to the delight of BigBad President Business. However, the film ultimately hits hard on the side of idealism, as it becomes apparent that [[spoiler: everyone has a spark of creativity in them and can use it for good]], but especially because of [[spoiler: Finn's dad embracing his son's creativity and making a HeelFaceTurn along with his Expy President Business.]]
4th Aug '15 2:33:12 PM fearlessnikki
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* WesternAnimation/BatmanMaskOfThePhantasm is blisteringly cynical for a kids superhero cartoon. (The major theme is that Batman's life always takes a turn for the worst and that he is damned to sadness and loneliness)

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* WesternAnimation/BatmanMaskOfThePhantasm is blisteringly cynical for a kids superhero cartoon. (The major theme is that Batman's life always takes a turn for the worst and that he is damned to sadness and loneliness)loneliness).
* ''{{Disney/Pocahontas}}'' seems like it's on the cynical end of the scale. The entire film builds towards a war and bloodshed that seems inevitable. Even Pocahontas despairs after one of her people is killed. But she's motivated to do something anyway and is able to stop an execution and potential genocide - all by appealing to her father simply as a daughter. Although the ending is bittersweet, it's still on the Idealistic end.
31st Jul '15 7:33:45 AM MechWarrior
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* The 2007 ''Film/{{Beowulf}}'' paints the title character as a BadAss AntiHero, which ironically puts the movie at the opposite end of the scale from the original Old English poem (which portrays him as an honorable hero who does ''not'', for instance, take advantage of the noblewomen he encounters). Being a self-aggrandizing braggart was part of the ideal heroic package in those days. The film plays this up and depicts this as it would be received today.

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* The 2007 ''Film/{{Beowulf}}'' paints the title character as a BadAss {{Badass}} AntiHero, which ironically puts the movie at the opposite end of the scale from the original Old English poem (which portrays him as an honorable hero who does ''not'', for instance, take advantage of the noblewomen he encounters). Being a self-aggrandizing braggart was part of the ideal heroic package in those days. The film plays this up and depicts this as it would be received today.
30th Jan '13 6:45:20 AM StFan
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{WALL-E}}''. Just because it's AfterTheEnd doesn't mean it's not the very definition of idealism. ThePowerOfLove and [[RousseauWasRight humanity remembering what made it great]] are all that's needed to reverse an ecological Armageddon. We're oversimplifying here, obviously -- the movie is fantastic -- but seriously, it pegs the needle so hard onto the Idealism side that it's a surprise the meter doesn't break.

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{WALL-E}}''.''WesternAnimation/WallE''. Just because it's AfterTheEnd doesn't mean it's not the very definition of idealism. ThePowerOfLove and [[RousseauWasRight humanity remembering what made it great]] are all that's needed to reverse an ecological Armageddon. We're oversimplifying here, obviously -- the movie is fantastic -- but seriously, it pegs the needle so hard onto the Idealism side that it's a surprise the meter doesn't break.
23rd Jan '13 8:22:22 PM TVRulezAgain
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* Batman: MaskOfThePhantasm is blisteringly cynical for a kids superhero cartoon. (The major theme is that Batman's life always takes a turn for the worst and that he is damned to sadness and loneliness)

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* Batman: MaskOfThePhantasm WesternAnimation/BatmanMaskOfThePhantasm is blisteringly cynical for a kids superhero cartoon. (The major theme is that Batman's life always takes a turn for the worst and that he is damned to sadness and loneliness)
9th Jul '12 5:22:59 AM FELH2
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* The 2007 ''{{Film/Beowulf}}'' paints the title character as a BadAss AntiHero, which ironically puts the movie at the opposite end of the scale from the original Old English poem (which portrays him as an honorable hero who does ''not'', for instance, take advantage of the noblewomen he encounters). Being a self-aggrandizing braggart was part of the ideal heroic package in those days. The film plays this up and depicts this as it would be received today.
* ''{{WALL-E}}''. Just because it's AfterTheEnd doesn't mean it's not the very definition of idealism. ThePowerOfLove and [[RousseauWasRight humanity remembering what made it great]] are all that's needed to reverse an ecological Armageddon. We're oversimplifying here, obviously -- the movie is fantastic -- but seriously, it pegs the needle so hard onto the Idealism side that it's a surprise the meter doesn't break.
* Disney's ''{{Disney/Fantasia}}'', as far as it has a position, is generally closer to the idealistic end. Even the Night on Bald Mountain segment ends with Chernobog repelled and returning to slumber. Bruno Bozzetto's response, ''WesternAnimation/AllegroNonTroppo'', is far more cynical.
* Batman: {{Mask of the Phantasm}} is blisteringly cynical for a kids superhero cartoon. (The major theme is that Batman's life always takes a turn for the worst and that he is damned to sadness and loneliness)

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* The 2007 ''{{Film/Beowulf}}'' ''Film/{{Beowulf}}'' paints the title character as a BadAss AntiHero, which ironically puts the movie at the opposite end of the scale from the original Old English poem (which portrays him as an honorable hero who does ''not'', for instance, take advantage of the noblewomen he encounters). Being a self-aggrandizing braggart was part of the ideal heroic package in those days. The film plays this up and depicts this as it would be received today.
* ''{{WALL-E}}''.''WesternAnimation/{{WALL-E}}''. Just because it's AfterTheEnd doesn't mean it's not the very definition of idealism. ThePowerOfLove and [[RousseauWasRight humanity remembering what made it great]] are all that's needed to reverse an ecological Armageddon. We're oversimplifying here, obviously -- the movie is fantastic -- but seriously, it pegs the needle so hard onto the Idealism side that it's a surprise the meter doesn't break.
* Disney's ''{{Disney/Fantasia}}'', ''Disney/{{Fantasia}}'', as far as it has a position, is generally closer to the idealistic end. Even the Night on Bald Mountain segment ends with Chernobog repelled and returning to slumber. Bruno Bozzetto's response, ''WesternAnimation/AllegroNonTroppo'', is far more cynical.
* Batman: {{Mask of the Phantasm}} MaskOfThePhantasm is blisteringly cynical for a kids superhero cartoon. (The major theme is that Batman's life always takes a turn for the worst and that he is damned to sadness and loneliness)
6th Jun '12 5:19:25 PM LadyMomus
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* ''FinalFantasyTheSpiritsWithin'' has this as the central conflict between the protagonists (idealistic "scientists of the spirit" who want to cure alien infestation) and the main villain (a general who wants to use a laser cannon to [[NukeEm destroy the invading aliens]]).

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* ''FinalFantasyTheSpiritsWithin'' ''Anime/FinalFantasyTheSpiritsWithin'' has this as the central conflict between the protagonists (idealistic "scientists of the spirit" who want to cure alien infestation) and the main villain (a general who wants to use a laser cannon to [[NukeEm destroy the invading aliens]]).
15th Apr '12 1:24:29 PM ProxyThrope
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* Batman: ''Mask of the Phantasm'' is blisteringly cynical for a kids superhero cartoon. (The major theme is that Batman's life always takes a turn for the worst and that he is damned to sadness and loneliness)

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* Batman: ''Mask {{Mask of the Phantasm'' Phantasm}} is blisteringly cynical for a kids superhero cartoon. (The major theme is that Batman's life always takes a turn for the worst and that he is damned to sadness and loneliness)
11th Apr '12 7:59:53 PM bwatts92
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* ''Batman: Mask of the Phantasm'' is blisteringly cynical for a kids superhero cartoon. (The major theme is that Batman's life always takes a turn for the worst and that he is damned to sadness and loneliness)

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* ''Batman: Mask Batman: ''Mask of the Phantasm'' is blisteringly cynical for a kids superhero cartoon. (The major theme is that Batman's life always takes a turn for the worst and that he is damned to sadness and loneliness)
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