History Series / JohnAdams

21st Apr '16 4:36:06 AM edmiborn
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** Alexander Hamilton. Here he doesn't get much screen time, but what little he does have makes him look like UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler mixed with OttoVonBismarck. In reality he was philosophically conservative, a militarist, and a big government fan, but he was also one of the most senior American revolutionaries and had [[ReignOfTerror some very good]] [[ObligatoryWarCrimeScene reasons]] for advocating war preparation against Revolutionary France's flouting of American neutrality. [[http://decider.com/2015/11/03/alexander-hamilton-rufus-sewell-jealous/ Rufus Sewell (who played Hamilton) was quite disappointed at the way the series portrayed his character.]]\\
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His idea for the nation to take on a degree of debt and pay it off to give America decent credit is generally VindicatedByHistory, going by the opinions of most historians and economists. Even George Washington agreed with him on that one. He's one of the the main reasons America even has a constitution and he practically saved the states from the disastrous Articles of Confederation. The show also doesn't mention his strong anti-slavery views.

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** Alexander Hamilton. Here he doesn't get much screen time, but what little he does have makes him look like UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler mixed with OttoVonBismarck. In reality he was philosophically conservative, a militarist, and a big government fan, but he was also one of the most senior American revolutionaries and had [[ReignOfTerror some very good]] [[ObligatoryWarCrimeScene reasons]] for advocating war preparation against Revolutionary France's flouting of American neutrality. [[http://decider.com/2015/11/03/alexander-hamilton-rufus-sewell-jealous/ Rufus Sewell (who played Hamilton) was quite disappointed at the way the series portrayed his character.]]\\
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His idea for the nation to take on a degree of debt and pay it off to give America decent credit is generally VindicatedByHistory, going by the opinions of most historians and economists. Even George Washington agreed with him on that one. He's one of the the main reasons America even has a constitution and he practically saved the states from the disastrous Articles of Confederation. The show also doesn't mention his strong anti-slavery views.
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19th Mar '16 8:59:14 PM eowynjedi
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2008 US {{Creator/HBO}}'s MiniSeries about the life of UsefulNotes/JohnAdams, second President of the United States, from his defense of the soldiers accused in the Boston Massacre in 1770 to his death in 1826. It's based on a similarly-titled book by David [=McCullough=], and is divided into seven parts.

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2008 US {{Creator/HBO}}'s MiniSeries about the life of UsefulNotes/JohnAdams, second President of the United States, from his defense of the soldiers accused in the Boston Massacre in 1770 to his death in 1826. It's based on a similarly-titled book the biography by David [=McCullough=], and is divided into seven parts.



** The [[TarAndFeathers tarring and feathering]] of a British customs official. Not only was this scene ''not'' present in the original novel, it depicts the use of ''petroleum'' tar (AKA asphalt/bitumen) on the victim. The [[http://allthingsliberty.com/2013/12/5-myths-tarring-feathering/ actual sort of tar]] used for tarring and feathering was ''pine'' tar, which has a melting point of 55 to 60 °C (130 to 140 °F) compared to petroleum tar's 100-190 °C (212-380 °F). Suffice to say, this change makes an act meant to be uncomfortable and humiliating into a (very likely) CruelAndUnusualDeath.

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** The [[TarAndFeathers tarring and feathering]] of a British customs official. Not only was this scene ''not'' present in the original novel, book, it depicts the use of ''petroleum'' tar (AKA asphalt/bitumen) on the victim. The [[http://allthingsliberty.com/2013/12/5-myths-tarring-feathering/ actual sort of tar]] used for tarring and feathering was ''pine'' tar, which has a melting point of 55 to 60 °C (130 to 140 °F) compared to petroleum tar's 100-190 °C (212-380 °F). Suffice to say, this change makes an act meant to be uncomfortable and humiliating into a (very likely) CruelAndUnusualDeath.



* TarAndFeathers: Adams witnesses a British tax collector being tarred and feathered by an angry Boston mob. Can serve as a TearJerker and horrific for some, conflicting emotions and all. Sure, the mob was angry over a rightly felt injustice, but to see a man screaming in agony for only trying to do his job is enough to make anyone feel for the unbearable pain he must have gone through.
** On the other hand, this is a glaring [[ArtisticLicenseHistory break from history]] ''and'' the source novel that's unfortunately encouraged some [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFWZ925zK0A nasty opinions]] about colonial (and modern) Americans.

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* TarAndFeathers: Adams witnesses a British tax collector being tarred and feathered by an angry Boston mob. Can serve as a TearJerker and horrific for some, conflicting emotions and all. Sure, the mob was angry over a rightly felt injustice, but to see a man screaming in agony for only trying to do his job is enough to make anyone feel for the unbearable pain he must have gone through.
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through. (But see ArtisticLicenseHistory above; the other hand, this is a glaring [[ArtisticLicenseHistory break from history]] ''and'' the source novel that's unfortunately encouraged some [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFWZ925zK0A nasty opinions]] about colonial (and modern) Americans."tar" used was not actually asphalt.)
17th Jan '16 4:48:54 PM TrevMUN
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** Alexander Hamilton. Here he doesn't get much screen time, but what little he does have makes him look like UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler mixed with OttoVonBismarck. In reality he was philosophically conservative, a militarist, and a big government fan, but he was also one of the most senior American revolutionaries and had [[ReignOfTerror some very good]] [[ObligatoryWarCrimeScene reasons]] for advocating war preparation against Revolutionary France's flouting of American neutrality. [[http://decider.com/2015/11/03/alexander-hamilton-rufus-sewell-jealous/ Rufus Sewell (who played Hamilton) was quite disappointed at the way the series portrayed his character.]]//
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//His idea for the nation to take on a degree of debt and pay it off to give America decent credit is generally VindicatedByHistory, going by the opinions of most historians and economists. Even George Washington agreed with him on that one. He's one of the the main reasons America even has a constitution and he practically saved the states from the disastrous Articles of Confederation. The show also doesn't mention his strong anti-slavery views.

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** Alexander Hamilton. Here he doesn't get much screen time, but what little he does have makes him look like UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler mixed with OttoVonBismarck. In reality he was philosophically conservative, a militarist, and a big government fan, but he was also one of the most senior American revolutionaries and had [[ReignOfTerror some very good]] [[ObligatoryWarCrimeScene reasons]] for advocating war preparation against Revolutionary France's flouting of American neutrality. [[http://decider.com/2015/11/03/alexander-hamilton-rufus-sewell-jealous/ Rufus Sewell (who played Hamilton) was quite disappointed at the way the series portrayed his character.]]//
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idea for the nation to take on a degree of debt and pay it off to give America decent credit is generally VindicatedByHistory, going by the opinions of most historians and economists. Even George Washington agreed with him on that one. He's one of the the main reasons America even has a constitution and he practically saved the states from the disastrous Articles of Confederation. The show also doesn't mention his strong anti-slavery views.
17th Jan '16 4:48:09 PM TrevMUN
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--> '''John Adams:''' Do you approve of brutal and illegal acts to enforce a political principle, Sam? Answer me that, can You!?

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--> '''John Adams:''' Do you approve of brutal and illegal acts to enforce a political principle, Sam? Answer me that, can You!?you!?



His idea for the nation to take on a degree of debt and pay it off to give America decent credit is generally VindicatedByHistory, going by the opinions of most historians and economists. Even George Washington agreed with him on that one. He's one of the the main reasons America even has a constitution and he practically saved the states from the disastrous Articles of Confederation. The show also doesn't mention his strong anti-slavery views.

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His //His idea for the nation to take on a degree of debt and pay it off to give America decent credit is generally VindicatedByHistory, going by the opinions of most historians and economists. Even George Washington agreed with him on that one. He's one of the the main reasons America even has a constitution and he practically saved the states from the disastrous Articles of Confederation. The show also doesn't mention his strong anti-slavery views.
17th Jan '16 4:46:37 PM TrevMUN
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2008 US {{Creator/HBO}}'s MiniSeries about the life of UsefulNotes/JohnAdams, second President of the United States, from his defense of the soldiers accused in the Boston Massacre in 1770 to his death in 1826. It's based on a similarly-titled book by David McCullough, and is divided into seven parts.

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2008 US {{Creator/HBO}}'s MiniSeries about the life of UsefulNotes/JohnAdams, second President of the United States, from his defense of the soldiers accused in the Boston Massacre in 1770 to his death in 1826. It's based on a similarly-titled book by David McCullough, [=McCullough=], and is divided into seven parts.



** Adams' meeting with George III, in all its awkwardness, surely counts as an example. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n725zX3zIk0 Behold.]]

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** Adams' meeting with George III, in all its awkwardness, surely counts as an example. [https://www.[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n725zX3zIk0 Behold.]]
17th Jan '16 4:45:31 PM TrevMUN
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2008 US {{Creator/HBO}}'s MiniSeries about the life of UsefulNotes/JohnAdams, second President of the United States, from his defense of the soldiers accused in the Boston Massacre in 1770 to his death in 1826. Shown in seven parts.

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2008 US {{Creator/HBO}}'s MiniSeries about the life of UsefulNotes/JohnAdams, second President of the United States, from his defense of the soldiers accused in the Boston Massacre in 1770 to his death in 1826. Shown in It's based on a similarly-titled book by David McCullough, and is divided into seven parts.



* ArtisticLicenseHistory: Putting aside the fact that [[MST3KMantra there's reasonable limitations]] on how true-to-life historical dramas can get, there are some inaccuracies and changes that stand out:
** The [[TarAndFeathers tarring and feathering]] of a British customs official. Not only was this scene ''not'' present in the original novel, it depicts the use of ''petroleum'' tar (AKA asphalt/bitumen) on the victim. The [[http://allthingsliberty.com/2013/12/5-myths-tarring-feathering/ actual sort of tar]] used for tarring and feathering was ''pine'' tar, which has a melting point of 55 to 60 °C (130 to 140 °F) compared to petroleum tar's 100-190 °C (212-380 °F). Suffice to say, this change makes an act meant to be uncomfortable and humiliating into a (very likely) CruelAndUnusualDeath.



* DanBrowned: Some minor historical inaccuracies, but...



* EveryoneHasStandards: Adams may not like the British, but he doesn't like mob violence either which is why he defends the British soldiers involved in the Boston Massacre since they were attacked by a mob and only defending themselves. Nor does he approve of the tar and feathering of a tax collector who was just doing his job.
--> '''John Adams:''' Do you approve of brutal and illegal acts to enforce a political principle, Sam? Answer Me That, can You!?

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* EveryoneHasStandards: Adams may not like the British, but he doesn't like mob violence either which is why he defends the British soldiers involved in the Boston Massacre since they were attacked by a mob and only defending themselves. Nor does he approve of the tar tarring and feathering of a tax collector who was just doing his job.
--> '''John Adams:''' Do you approve of brutal and illegal acts to enforce a political principle, Sam? Answer Me That, me that, can You!?



* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Alexander Hamilton. Here he doesn't get much screen time, but what little he does have makes him look like UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler mixed with OttoVonBismarck. In reality he was philosophically conservative, a militarist, and a big government fan, but he was also one of the most senior American revolutionaries and had [[ReignOfTerror some very good]] [[ObligatoryWarCrimeScene reasons]] for advocating war preparation against Revolutionary France's flouting of American neutrality. [[http://decider.com/2015/11/03/alexander-hamilton-rufus-sewell-jealous/ Rufus Sewell (who played Hamilton) was quite disappointed at the way the series portrayed his character.]]
** His idea for the nation to take on a degree of debt and pay it off to give America decent credit is generally VindicatedByHistory going by the opinions of most historians and economists. Even George Washington agreed with him on that one.
** He's one of the the main reasons the USA even has a constitution and he practically saved the states from the disastrous Articles of Confederation. The show also doesn't mention his strong anti-slavery views.

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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Several characters get hit with this.
** John Hancock and Samuel Adams are depicted as inciting the tarring and feathering of a British customs official--with ''petroleum'' tar no less. In reality, both were just as opposed to mob violence as John Adams is shown to be.
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Alexander Hamilton. Here he doesn't get much screen time, but what little he does have makes him look like UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler mixed with OttoVonBismarck. In reality he was philosophically conservative, a militarist, and a big government fan, but he was also one of the most senior American revolutionaries and had [[ReignOfTerror some very good]] [[ObligatoryWarCrimeScene reasons]] for advocating war preparation against Revolutionary France's flouting of American neutrality. [[http://decider.com/2015/11/03/alexander-hamilton-rufus-sewell-jealous/ Rufus Sewell (who played Hamilton) was quite disappointed at the way the series portrayed his character.]]
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His idea for the nation to take on a degree of debt and pay it off to give America decent credit is generally VindicatedByHistory VindicatedByHistory, going by the opinions of most historians and economists. Even George Washington agreed with him on that one.
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* NeverLiveItDown: Invoked - Outgoing president Adams is concerned that he will only be remembered for the Alien and Sedition Acts.

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* NeverLiveItDown: Invoked - Outgoing Invoked--outgoing president Adams is concerned that he will only be remembered for the Alien and Sedition Acts.



* RageBreakingPoint: The Crown placing Massachusetts under Martial Law is the catalyst for the American Independence in general and what motivates Adams to be a full-fledge revolutionary.

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* RageBreakingPoint: The Crown placing Massachusetts under Martial Law is the catalyst for the American Independence in general and what motivates Adams to be a full-fledge full-fledged revolutionary.



* TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized: Hot tar. OW.

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* TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized: Hot tar. OW.The ([[ArtisticLicenseHistory historically inaccurate]]) Boston mob's use of petroleum tar/bitumen instead of pine tar ''really'' ramps up the savagery of the event.



* SouthernGentleman: A lot of the Southern delegates--including Richard Henry Lee, George Washington, and Thomas Jefferson--are also portrayed this way. Edward Rutledge of South Carolina stands out though. When he privately informs Adams that his colony - pardon - ''state'' is willing to vote for independence he says that one of the reasons the southern delegates delayed for so long is that they are used to a more "courtly forum".

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* SouthernGentleman: A lot of the Southern delegates--including Richard Henry Lee, George Washington, and Thomas Jefferson--are also portrayed this way. Edward Rutledge of South Carolina stands out though. When he privately informs Adams that his colony - pardon - ''state'' colony--pardon--''state'' is willing to vote for independence he says that one of the reasons the southern delegates delayed for so long is that they are used to a more "courtly forum".


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** On the other hand, this is a glaring [[ArtisticLicenseHistory break from history]] ''and'' the source novel that's unfortunately encouraged some [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFWZ925zK0A nasty opinions]] about colonial (and modern) Americans.
18th Dec '15 3:41:24 AM resurrection-rite
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** Adams' meeting with George III, in all its awkwardness, surely counts as an example. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbhzrOV2HP8&feature=related Behold.]]

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** Adams' meeting with George III, in all its awkwardness, surely counts as an example. [[http://www.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbhzrOV2HP8&feature=related com/watch?v=n725zX3zIk0 Behold.]]
22nd Nov '15 10:59:06 AM ProfessorGrimm
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* JerkassHasAPoint: One of John Dickinson's concerns about seeking independence for the colonies is the possibility of Civil War. [[note]]84 years later, just such an occurrence would indeed happen.[[/note]]

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* JerkassHasAPoint: JerkassHasAPoint:
** The Crown Officials are quick to point out that taxes that the colonies complain again were passed to pay for The French and Indian War: in which British Soldiers protected the colonies from the French and Native Americans, and the colonies seems unwilling to pull their own weight as it were
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One of John Dickinson's concerns about seeking independence for the colonies is the possibility of Civil War. [[note]]84 years later, just such an occurrence would indeed happen.[[/note]]


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* RageBreakingPoint: The Crown placing Massachusetts under Martial Law is the catalyst for the American Independence in general and what motivates Adams to be a full-fledge revolutionary.
22nd Nov '15 10:48:57 AM ProfessorGrimm
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* EveryoneHasStandards: Adams may not like the British, but he doesn't like mob violence either which is why he defends the British soldiers involved in the Boston Massacre since they were attacked by a mob and only defending themselves. Nor does he approve of the tar and feathering of a tax collector who was just doing his job.
--> '''John Adams:''' Do you approve of brutal and illegal acts to enforce a political principle, Sam? Answer Me That, can You!?
13th Nov '15 12:20:45 AM Beavizz81
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* AssInAmbassador: Adams, to a degree while representing America in France. Franklin eventually gets him removed because of it. Ambassador Genet while whipping up support for the French in America is very much this.



* AssInAmbassador: Adams, to a degree while representing America in France. Franklin eventually gets him removed because of it. Ambassador Genet while whipping up support for the French in America is very much this.
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