History Sandbox / TheDreadedWickCheck

# Characters.IrredeemablePlutonian: After his turn, he becomes this to everyone, heroes, villains, and civilians alike, and with ''very'' good reason. '''Villain + the most feared person in the setting. Just copy-and-paste some sentences from the BrokenPedestal entry and there would be enough context.'''

## HighDiveEscape: [[StudentAndMasterTeam Kanan and Ezra]] pull this kind of escape from a pair of [[TheDreaded Inquisitors]]. It helps that Ezra has already used TheForce to summon some flying creatures to aid their escape.

# BadBoss.VideoGames: ''Franchise/FarCry'': Hoyt Volker, the [[AmoralAfrikaner South African]] BigBad of ''VideoGame/FarCry3'', is a FauxAffablyEvil type who expects his band of RuthlessModernPirates and slavers to follow three company rules: 1) protect his product/slaves (and make sure not to damage them if they rape them); 2) [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain kill any Rook Island natives on sight]]; and 3) make sure all the company profits [[ItsAllAboutMe go to him]]. If any of his men break ''one'' of these rules, expect him to MakeAnExampleOfThem by [[KillItWithFire locking them in a furnace and immolating them]]. He openly tells PlayerCharacter Jason Brody that [[TheDreaded fear]] is "[[BlatantLies the true secret to keeping employees happy]]". Indeed, before we even meet Hoyt, we get to hear a recorded chat concerning him and his {{Dragon}} Vaas Montenegro, in which he cows Vaas into nervous submission -- and Vaas, need we remind you, is the AxCrazy {{Sadist}} who's spent most of the game making Jason's life hell. '''Whether or not the character is an example, the pothole is being misused to associate the trope with just fear rather than the most feared character within in the work.'''

*** Or expand the trope to allow both options (1) and (2).

** Just cleanup misuse and [=ZCEs=] (not effective and won't prevent future misuse).

# purely heroic characters (8 wicks or so).
# a character who's only feared by another singular character (more than 17 wicks).
# multiple characters all at once (13 wicks).
# multiple misuse categories [the 2 criteria aren't met] or other misuses [mostly misusing it for objects and abstract things] (16 wicks).

** 63/127 are [[red:incorrect examples]] where the example doesn't meet one or all of the requirements, or 50%.

* '''[[blue:Long analysis:]]''' Half of the examples are exactly misused for either 1) purely heroic characters, 2) multiple characters all at once, 3) a character who's only feared by another singular character, despite the description making the scope of the trope very clear. Fortunately, however, there isn't redundancy or confusion with TerrorHero. There are more than a quarter of examples that have partial context only, vague context, or zero-context in general. There's a good amount of correct examples that have all the criteria, which make up 15% of the total examples.\\\

* '''[[blue:Possible solutions (tentative):]]'''

*** Or expand the trope to allow MORE than one character in the story but they have to be an ''entity/group'', so the trope would be "characters/groups who are the most feared" [this would allow feared mafia members and gangs to count for example, but not random, unaffiliated multiple characters, but note that allowing further expansion by allowing multiple unrelated characters won't work; if everyone is dreaded then nobody is dreaded] (2).

[[folder:[[red:Misuse -- character isn't an Anti-hero or a villain OR the MOST feared character (63/127)]]]]

# Awesome.ItsAWonderfulLife: It's a small one that requires a [[FreezeFrameBonus real eagle ear]], but it's worth hearing. When young George comes to his father for advice, he accidentally happens upon a meeting between him and Mr. Potter. Mr. Bailey tries to argue that Potter could make use of his vast wealth, only for [[EvilCannotComprehendGood Potter]] to call him a failure. Young George calls out Potter on his callousness and tells his father [[YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre not to let Potter walk all over him]]. After Mr. Bailey gently tells his son to go home, what does he do the minute he goes into back into the meeting? Apologize for his son's outburst? ''Heck no!'' If you listen carefully, you can hear him chide "'''Mr. Potter, you humiliated me in front of my son'''!" That's not nothing! That's a [[PapaWolf proud father]] defending his brave son's honor as he talks down the richest and [[TheDreaded cruelest]] man in Bedford Falls! Even though George virtually had no right to interrupt the meeting, he took his son's advice to heart: he stood up for his boy and [[CatharsisFactor rightfully]] chastised Mr. Potter for impugning his worth. '''Misuse by potholing the cruellest character rather than the most feared.'''

# Characters.AkameGaKillAkame: How did the Imperials Akame was sent to kill in the final arc react when they see her? "IT'S AKAME!" -- '''It's low on context and also she's a purely good character so she doesn't count'''

# Main.RedOniBlueOni: The '''[[blue:Blue Oni]]''' is associated with serenity, control and observing authority. A Blue Oni is more intellectual, proud, traditional, introverted, and cultured (sometimes more spiritual, although that's not guaranteed), if a Blue Oni is indeed physically strong, they tend to be {{Genius Bruiser}}s, with the calm, collected intelligence of a typical Blue Oni character combined with the physical prowess of a typical Red Oni character. Blue Oni personalities are often respected by others, but also likely to puzzle, confound or even [=[[TheDreaded intimidate]]=] their peers because they are difficult to read and have a mysterious quality to them. '''"A character intimidates others" is misuse.'''

[[folder:[[pink:Zero-context examples / uncertain / other (45/127)]]]]

* '''[[blue:Long analysis:]]''' Half of the examples are exactly misused for either 1) purely heroic characters, 2) multiple characters all at once, 3) a character who's only feared by another singular character, despite the description making the scope of the trope very clear. Fortunately, however, there isn't redundancy or confusion with TerrorHero. There are more than a quarter of examples that have partial context only, vague context, or zero-context in general. There's a good amount of correct examples that have all the criteria, which make up to 15% of the total examples.\\\

*** Or expand the trope to allow MORE than one character in the story but they have to be an ''entity/group'', so the trope would be "characters/groups who are the most feared" [this would allow feared mafia members and gangs to count for example, but not random, unaffiliated multiple characters] (2).

Per [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16831497670A45276400&page=1#comment-9 this post]], TheDreaded has several issues which are some redundancy with TerrorHero in scope and misuse. The trope is stated to be for {{anti hero}}es and villains who are the most feared in the story, but sometimes it's misused for pure good heroes or the second criterion isn't present.

** If option (1) is chosen, rename to FearedByAll (like LovedByAll) or something clearer to indicate that it's a single character who's feared by everyone. There's also TheMostDreaded.
** Split off misuse for non-villainous/non-anti-heroic characters, a.k.a purely heroic characters, to their own trope: DreadedHero / TerrifyingHero / etc.

** If option (1) is chosen, rename to TheMostDreaded or something clearer to indicate that it's a single character.

** Just cleanup misuse and [=ZCEs=] (ineffective and won't prevent future misuse).

*** Expand the trope to ANY SINGLE character who's the most feared in the story, regardless of morality/role (1).
*** Or expand the trope to allow MORE than one character in the story, so the trope would be "characters who are the most feared" [this would allow feared mafia members and gangs to count for example] (2).

** Split off misuse for non-villainous/non-anti-heroic characters, a.k.a purely heroic characters, to their own trope, but IDK what to name it (HeroicallyDreaded ?).
** Just cleanup misuse and [=ZCEs=] (not effective and won't prevent future misuse).

* '''[[blue:Long analysis:]]''' Half of the examples are exactly misused for either 1) purely heroic characters, 2) multiple characters all at once, 3) a character who's only feared by another singular character, despite the description making the scope of the trope very clear. Thankfully, however, there isn't redundancy or confusion with TerrorHero. There are more than a quarter of examples that have partial context only, vague context, or zero-context in general. There's a good amount of correct examples that have all the criteria, which make up to 15% of the total examples.\\\

** Split off misuse for non-villainous/non-anti-heroic characters, aka purely heroic characters to their own trope, but IDK what to name it (HeroicallyDreaded ?).

* '''Quick wick analysis:'''

* '''Long analysis:''' Half of the examples are exactly misused for either 1) purely heroic characters, 2) multiple characters all at once, 3) a character who's only feared by another singular character, despite the description making the scope of the trope very clear. Thankfully, however, there isn't redundancy or confusion with TerrorHero. There are more than a quarter of examples that have partial context only, vague context, or zero-context in general. There's a good amount of correct examples that have all the criteria, which make up to 15% of the total examples.\\\

* '''Possible solutions (tentative):'''

* '''Long analysis:''' Half of the examples are exactly misused for either 1) purely heroic characters, 2) multiple characters all at once, 3) a character who's only feared by another singular character, despite the description making the scope of the trope very clear. Thankfully, however, there isn't redundancy or confusion with TerrorHero. There are more than a quarter of examples that have partial context only, vague context, or zero-context in general.
There's a good amount of correct examples that have all the criteria, which make up to 15% of the total examples.\\\

* '''Long analysis:'''
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* '''Possible solutions:'''

Wicks checked so far: 120/127.

[[folder:[[green:Correct -- examples have both requirements (18/127)]]]]

[[folder:[[red:Misuse -- character isn't an Anti-hero or a villain OR the MOST feared character (59/127)]]]]

[[folder:[[pink:Zero-context examples / uncertain / other (43/127)]]]]

Wicks checked so far: 117/127.

[[folder:[[green:Correct -- examples have both requirements (17/127)]]]]

[[folder:[[red:Misuse -- character isn't an Anti-hero or a villain OR the MOST feared character (57/127)]]]]

Wicks checked so far: 111/127.

[[folder:[[red:Misuse -- character isn't an Anti-hero or a villain OR the MOST feared character (53/127)]]]]

[[folder:[[pink:Zero-context examples / uncertain / other (41/127)]]]]