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* All the drama put on Bobby's final test to save Joyce is practically a waste, considering that Joyce had no role in publishing or advertising Bobby's false story, nor did she have the most screentime in the flashbacks to it. Besides, the fact that Bobby had already failed to save Nina, Suzanne and Cale would make you give up hope that he can succeed for once, and he ends up failing anyway.
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* All the drama put on Bobby's final test to save Joyce is practically a waste, considering that Joyce had no role in publishing or advertising Bobby's false story, nor did she have the most screentime in the flashbacks to it. Besides, the fact that Bobby had already failed to save Nina, Suzanne and Cale would make you give up hope that he can succeed for once, and he ends up failing anyway. Meant for this
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* All the drama put on Bobby's final test to save Joyce is practically a waste, considering that Joyce had no role in publishing or advertising Bobby's false story, nor did she have the most screentime in the flashbacks to it. Besides, the fact that Bobby had already failed to save Nina, Suzanne and Cale would make you give up hope that he can succeed for once, and he ends up failing anyway.
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Removing the spoiler tags on Kaufmo's folder per [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=134276&type=att this query]].
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Deleted because of speculation. There's no definitive proof that Logan actually becomes the next Jigsaw, he's just another accomplice at best with helping John set up Amanda's game in the first film. It's very much likely that he set up the (present day) events in Jigsaw solely to get revenge. Also due to the commentary of Saw 3D, the "Public Execution" trap in the beginning was built by John and Lawrence, and it's heavily implied that Gordon setted up Bobby's game. In conclusion Gordon is much as an apprentice as Logan is.
* FromNobodyToNightmare: Started out as an intern who made an honest, but significant mistake. Ended up being ''the'' most successful disciple of Jigsaw, completely avoiding capture or suspicion, setting up traps for a series of victims and not being offed by other people, with his fate being merely left open by the time of ''Spiral''.[[note]]Fellow accomplice Dr. Gordon wasn't a full-fledged disciple because he didn't design or set up traps, and while the copycat Schenk ''does'' make it away scot-free at the end of ''Spiral'', his identity is known by Zeke and will presumably be shared with the rest of the city's police department, leaving him on the run.[[/note]]
* AssPull: The writers reasoning of Logan becoming a Jigsaw apprentice is very vague and forced that it breaks the suspension of disbelief to new unprecedented levels. How Logan became associated with John makes zero sense; Doctor Gordon was the first person to diagnose and treat John, in ''Saw III'' we learn that Lynn Denlon somehow 'also' diagnosed John with cancer again, and in ''Jigsaw'' we learned that John needed to be diagnosed with cancer a third time from Logan. It comes across that John needs constant reminding every other week of his untreatable cancer. Also, the amount of backbreaking shoe horning that needed to be done to force Logan as a Jigsaw apprentice in flashbacks in previous entries is laughable and contributes to John's VillainDecay. After setting up the barn game which is considerably complex engineering-wise; why would John need help from Logan in setting up the Reverse Bear Trap which is rather simple in comparison? It's as if the writers knew that there isn't much Logan can contribute to the games that were set up when John was alive (''Saw I'' - ''IV''), because they were already done by Amanda, Hoffman, and Gordon.
* FromNobodyToNightmare: Started out as an intern who made an honest, but significant mistake. Ended up being ''the'' most successful disciple of Jigsaw, completely avoiding capture or suspicion, setting up traps for a series of victims and not being offed by other people, with his fate being merely left open by the time of ''Spiral''.[[note]]Fellow accomplice Dr. Gordon wasn't a full-fledged disciple because he didn't design or set up traps, and while the copycat Schenk ''does'' make it away scot-free at the end of ''Spiral'', his identity is known by Zeke and will presumably be shared with the rest of the city's police department, leaving him on the run.[[/note]]
* AssPull: The writers reasoning of Logan becoming a Jigsaw apprentice is very vague and forced that it breaks the suspension of disbelief to new unprecedented levels. How Logan became associated with John makes zero sense; Doctor Gordon was the first person to diagnose and treat John, in ''Saw III'' we learn that Lynn Denlon somehow 'also' diagnosed John with cancer again, and in ''Jigsaw'' we learned that John needed to be diagnosed with cancer a third time from Logan. It comes across that John needs constant reminding every other week of his untreatable cancer. Also, the amount of backbreaking shoe horning that needed to be done to force Logan as a Jigsaw apprentice in flashbacks in previous entries is laughable and contributes to John's VillainDecay. After setting up the barn game which is considerably complex engineering-wise; why would John need help from Logan in setting up the Reverse Bear Trap which is rather simple in comparison? It's as if the writers knew that there isn't much Logan can contribute to the games that were set up when John was alive (''Saw I'' - ''IV''), because they were already done by Amanda, Hoffman, and Gordon.
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Deleted because of speculation. There's no definitive proof that Logan actually becomes the next Jigsaw, he's just another accomplice at best with helping John set up Amanda's game in the first film. It's very much likely that he set up the (present day) events in Jigsaw solely to get revenge. Also due to the commentary of Saw 3D, the "Public Execution" trap in the beginning was built by John and Lawrence, and it's heavily implied that Gordon setted up Bobby's game. In conclusion Gordon is much as an apprentice as Logan is.
* FromNobodyToNightmare: Started out as an intern who made an honest, but significant mistake. Ended up being ''the'' most successful disciple of Jigsaw, completely avoiding capture or suspicion, setting up traps for a series of victims and not being offed by other people, with his fate being merely left open by the time of ''Spiral''.[[note]]Fellow accomplice Dr. Gordon wasn't a full-fledged disciple because he didn't design or set up traps, and while the copycat Schenk ''does'' make it away scot-free at the end of ''Spiral'', his identity is known by Zeke and will presumably be shared with the rest of the city's police department, leaving him on the run.[[/note]]
* AssPull: The writers reasoning of Logan becoming a Jigsaw apprentice is very vague and forced that it breaks the suspension of disbelief to new unprecedented levels. How Logan became associated with John makes zero sense; Doctor Gordon was the first person to diagnose and treat John, in ''Saw III'' we learn that Lynn Denlon somehow 'also' diagnosed John with cancer again, and in ''Jigsaw'' we learned that John needed to be diagnosed with cancer a third time from Logan. It comes across that John needs constant reminding every other week of his untreatable cancer. Also, the amount of backbreaking shoe horning that needed to be done to force Logan as a Jigsaw apprentice in flashbacks in previous entries is laughable and contributes to John's VillainDecay. After setting up the barn game which is considerably complex engineering-wise; why would John need help from Logan in setting up the Reverse Bear Trap which is rather simple in comparison? It's as if the writers knew that there isn't much Logan can contribute to the games that were set up when John was alive (''Saw I'' - ''IV''), because they were already done by Amanda, Hoffman, and Gordon.
* FromNobodyToNightmare: Started out as an intern who made an honest, but significant mistake. Ended up being ''the'' most successful disciple of Jigsaw, completely avoiding capture or suspicion, setting up traps for a series of victims and not being offed by other people, with his fate being merely left open by the time of ''Spiral''.[[note]]Fellow accomplice Dr. Gordon wasn't a full-fledged disciple because he didn't design or set up traps, and while the copycat Schenk ''does'' make it away scot-free at the end of ''Spiral'', his identity is known by Zeke and will presumably be shared with the rest of the city's police department, leaving him on the run.[[/note]]
* AssPull: The writers reasoning of Logan becoming a Jigsaw apprentice is very vague and forced that it breaks the suspension of disbelief to new unprecedented levels. How Logan became associated with John makes zero sense; Doctor Gordon was the first person to diagnose and treat John, in ''Saw III'' we learn that Lynn Denlon somehow 'also' diagnosed John with cancer again, and in ''Jigsaw'' we learned that John needed to be diagnosed with cancer a third time from Logan. It comes across that John needs constant reminding every other week of his untreatable cancer. Also, the amount of backbreaking shoe horning that needed to be done to force Logan as a Jigsaw apprentice in flashbacks in previous entries is laughable and contributes to John's VillainDecay. After setting up the barn game which is considerably complex engineering-wise; why would John need help from Logan in setting up the Reverse Bear Trap which is rather simple in comparison? It's as if the writers knew that there isn't much Logan can contribute to the games that were set up when John was alive (''Saw I'' - ''IV''), because they were already done by Amanda, Hoffman, and Gordon.
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* SissyVillain: Even before his HeelFaceTurn, N was established as an effeminate and pleasant Disassembly Drone who got looked down on by his teammates because of his personality.
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** The silhouette version of Ragatha from Pomni's nightmare that callously brushes off her abstraction gained a lot of popularity, spawning various fanart and even causing Nightmare!Ragatha to be dubbed "Evil Ragatha". Both Gooseworx and Amanda Hufford have taken notice of the fandom's attention towards Evil Ragatha.
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** Original creator Creator/CraigMcCracken wanted to end the [[WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls1998 1998 series]] after its fourth season (including ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirlsMovie''). The Creator/CartoonNetwork executives at the time said that no one would watch the reruns, so the series continued for two more seasons. The executives actually wanted even more than that, but the new showrunner Creator/ChrisSavino shot down the idea after agreeing with [=McCracken=] to end the series on Season 6.
Correcting misinformation, since The 1998 PPG wasn't meant to finish after its fourth season, according to Craig Mc Cracken.
Correcting misinformation, since The 1998 PPG wasn't meant to finish after its fourth season, according to Craig Mc Cracken.
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** The Pilot episode established that the Disassembly Drones are made by JC Jenson sent to kill the Worker Drones and Uzi going on a revenge journey against humanity. With the reveal in episode 8 many things have changed, where it turns out that the Disassembly Drones aren't made by JC Jenson but by the Absolute Solver for still unknown purposes and Uzi putting her vendetta one-sided to fight against the Solver. The story could have gone with Uzi forming a resistance group of Worker Drones and rogue Disassembly Drones to destroy JC Jenson or outright all of humanity.
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* SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute: To Kaufmo. Just like him, she is a clown-themed character with a similar blue, red, white and yellow color palette, obsesses with finding an Exit and isn't in the best state mentally. She also just happens to show up right after Kaufmo has already abstracted.
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Rearranging the placement of Ragatha and Jax's folders because the folders in this character subpage are supposed to be ordered by the order each of the characters was revealed.
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'''Eric:''' I thought you liked to be called Jigsaw.
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* ForWantOfANail: Taken to ridiculous extremes, as Kramer has an ''entire'' trap conceptualized for this guy the minute he sees him stealing, and the custodian putting the stuff back makes him forget the whole thing and saves the man's life.
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* ForWantOfANail: If Halden hadn't died in such a stupid way, Jeff's confrontation with John may have gone very differently.
