History RonTheDeathEater / Gundam

** Rey Za Burrel gets hit with this ''and'' DracoInLeatherPants depending on which side of the BrokenBase you're on. While the [[DarkMessiah Durandal was right!]] crowd turn him into some sort of hero, haters on the other side are prone to writing him as a monster and a sociopath who cares nothing for Shinn and Luna and shares his [[CloningBlues predecessor's]] OmnicidalManiac philosophy. In reality Rey's a sympathetic AntiVillain who thinks that UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans, cares for Shinn and Luna even as he [[ManipulativeBastard manipulates them]], and rejects Rau Le Creuset's desire to KillAllHumans, seeking instead to [[WellIntentionedExtremist build a better future]]. He's a bad guy, absolutely, but not to the degree that fans make him out to be.

** Lacus Clyne suffers this fate from a large part of the non-Japanese fan community. While certain parts of her actions, and more so in the case of her accomplice Kira Yamato, could certainly be a question of perspective, large portions of the community have decided that the [[TechnicalPacifist anti-war]], egalitarian IdolSinger who declined to take control of her country at one point, is, in truth, a [[CuteAndPsycho psychopathic]] ManipulativeBitch who [[WoundedGazelleGambit hires assassins to attempt to kill her to motivate her retired boyfriend return to piloting]] so that she can usurp control of her home country from the current ruler of said country.

*** Similarly, ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriorsGundam 2'' nods to Lacus' Hatedom by having a non-canon storyline where she really ''does'' turn out to be an evil, manipulative queen-bitch who hops into a Gundam and kicks her own boyfriend's ass after he realizes the truth.

** Played for laughs with Kira Yamato himself in one Japanese Gundam flash animation site in which [[http://kenkoudaa.sakura.ne.jp/page080.html Dearka Elsman becomes a hero against the "evil Kira"]]. Normally known as a sincerely good-hearted, peace-loving hero, in this animated short he is altered as one such trope due to the fact he pilots Gundams terribly well.

* ''Anime/{{Mobile Suit Gundam 00}}'':

** While they are [[BlackAndGreyMorality definitely no angels]], being a [[DemocracyIsBad corrupt, bloated, elitist]] [[ObstructiveBureaucrat and negligent oligarchic bureaucracy]] whose mistreatment of the colonies and negligence and outright suppression of the Newtype ideology have led to the One Year War, the Earth Federation as a whole is painted in some fan circles as even worse than they are in canon such as gassing colonies on their own before the ascent of [[StateSec the Titans]] or being the ones to fire the nukes first during the One Year War, instead of being provoked by Zeon. Some even believe the Federation to act like the Titans from the get-go, only hiding their true nature until the events of Zeta Gundam. That is despite the fact that the Titans actually kept their atrocities such as their colony gassings hidden from the Federation to maintain support, which was cut back once Char exposed them in his Dakar speech. It dosen't help that this is done sometimes in negligance of Gundam's BlackAndGreyMorality and GreyAndGreyMorality themes, [[RootingForTheEmpire with some of the worst portrayals due to genuine support of Zeon's actions]] [[PuttingOnTheReich despite its implications]].

* ''Anime/{{Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny}}'':

*** Adding to this is how many feel that she's as cutesy and annoying as is probably humanly possible. This gets worse in the dub, where her English voice actress takes the high-pitched, cutesy princess shtick and goes way over the top with it. Fans of the dub know her as a teenage girl who talks like a [[TastesLikeDiabetes three-year-old on crack]] ''even when alone.'' This should be a minor part of her character, it can ''overwhelm'' the rest of her personality.

** Marina Ismail, another {{Expy}} of Relena Peacecraft, is given similar treatment. Although a devoted total pacifist and a symbol of the fainting good in humans, so many fans tend to hate her for excuses such as being a totally useless, indecisive Mary Sue. Even her heart-touching song, ''Tomorrow'', does not help.
* ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamAGE'':
** Flit Asuno is getting some of this treatment after the timeskip. [[spoiler: While it is true that he TookALevelInJerkass and that his way of dealing with Yurin's death is [[GoodIsNotNice unhealthy]] and sending him JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope, bear in mind that the girl was a possible LoveInterest was brutally murdered in front of his own eyes by Desil, an AxCrazy EnfanteTerrible, and that he's seen many civilians (including his own mom) slaughtered by the Vagan army, so he's got some pretty good reasons to hate them. But tell that to the MisaimedFandom who, after the reveal that the Vagan were HumanAllAlong, seems to have forgotten the atrocities their military pulled. (The non-military people... well, that's something else.)]]
*** [[spoiler: In canon, he kind of doesn't help his case. Even Kio and Asemu get tired of his genocidal attitude after encountering Vagan civilians or meeting sympathetic members of Vagan's military. To Flit for most of the show, he wants to wipe them ''all'' out and become a 'savior'. It took Kio ''bringing Yurin's spirit back from the dead'' to remind him what being an actual savior IS and save the Vagan's Second Moon from self-destruction.]]

*** [[spoiler: In canon, he kind of doesn't help his case. Even Kio and Asemu get tired of his genocidal attitude after encountering Vagan civilians or meeting sympathetic members of Vagan's military. To Flit for most of the show, he wants to wipe them ''all'' out and become a 'savior'. It took Kio ''bringing Yurin's spirit back from the dead'' to remind him what being an actual savior IS and save the Vagan's Second Moon from self-destruction.]]

** Relena Darlian Peacecraft perhaps gets hit with this the hardest out of any character, [[AmericansHateTingle at least in America]], primarily due to DieForOurShip reasons. The usual fanon portrayal is a shrill, possessive, catty {{Yandere}} homophobic killer bitch, with some stories going so far as to turn her into a female [[LordOfTheRings Sauron]] who needs to be taken out by the heroic (and, of course, gay) Gundam Team. In canon, the character is usually softspoken, understanding, an ActualPacifist, states in her ImageSong that [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy she'd let go if Heero found someone else]], and on top of that Duo (the person YaoiFangirls want Heero to get with instead of her) [[ShipperOnDeck actually does his best to set the two of them up together]]. The closest she ever gets to her fanfic portrayal is in perhaps the first two or three episodes where she's kind of snarky and [[WithDueRespect backhandedly polite]] to some condescending Alliance soldiers, but that's about it.

*** It helps that, in this troper's opinion, she's as cutesy and annoying as is probably humanly possible. This gets worse in the dub, where her English voice actress takes the high-pitched, cutesy princess shtick and goes way over the top with it. Fans of the dub know her as a teenage girl who talks like a [[TastesLikeDiabetes three-year-old on crack]] ''even when alone.'' This should be a minor part of her character, it can ''overwhelm'' the rest of her personality.

** Marina Ismail, another {{Expy}} of Relena Peacecraft, is given similar treatment. Although a devoted total pacifist and a symbol of the fainting good in humans, so many fans tend to hate her for excuses such as being a totally useless, indecisive MarySue. Even her heart-touching song, ''Tomorrow'', does not help.

*** Similarly, ''DynastyWarriorsGundam 2'' nods to Lacus' Hatedom by having a non-canon storyline where she really ''does'' turn out to be an evil, manipulative queen-bitch who hops into a Gundam and kicks her own boyfriend's ass after he realizes the truth.

*** Quatre ''does'' have issues--probably more than Trowa, really, because as the end of the above post indicates he ''believes'' killing is bad even when necessary and yet also believes that it is required and acceptable for him to do it under the circumstances. He's set himself up to be [[RurouniKenshin Hitokiri Battousai]], except he's smart enough at least not to put himself and his machine into the hands of any one faction. He has not made the transition to being a killer as smoothly as he probably needs to; the other idealists among the pilots have solid warrior mentalities to fall back on. But he does not have the kind of issues he's given in such stories.

* Anime/MobileSuitGundam:

* Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing:

* MobileSuitGundam:

* ''GundamAGE'':

** A parody of such a trope is Kira Yamato himself in one Japanese Gundam flash animation site in which [[http://kenkoudaa.sakura.ne.jp/page080.html Dearka Elsman becomes a hero against the "evil Kira"]]. Normally known as a sincerely good-hearted, peace-loving hero, in this animated short he is altered as one such trope due to the fact he pilots Gundams terribly well.

** Interestingly, the Zeon Commander [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamThe08thMSTeam Ginias Sahalin]] receives this AND DracoInLeatherPants. While some portrayed him as a misguided JerkassWoobie, most fans view him as a sadistic, genocidal CompleteMonster who kills Federation soldier and civilians [[ForTheEvulz for fun]] while also [[UngratefulBastard treating his surrogate father Norris Packard as a slave]] and physically and sexually abusing his kind-hearted sister Aina. Some fans even go so far as claiming that he is worse than Giren Zabi and Char Aznable combined. While Ginias is by no means a hero and has his share of KickTheDog moments, he does show some love and affection for his sister before his [[SanitySlippage his mind degrades]] and isn't actually responsible for several atrocities committed by Zeon forces.

** Rey Za Burrel gets hit with this ''and''DracoInLeatherPants depending on which side of the BrokenBase you're on. While the [[DarkMessiah Durandal was right!]] crowd turn him into some sort of hero, haters on the other side are prone to writing him as a monster and a sociopath who cares nothing for Shinn and Luna and shares his [[CloningBlues predecessor's]] OmnicidalManiac philosophy. In reality Rey's a sympathetic AntiVillain who thinks that UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans, cares for Shinn and Luna even as he [[ManipulativeBastard manipulates them]], and rejects Rau Le Creuset's desire to KillAllHumans, seeking instead to [[WellIntentionedExtremist build a better future]]. He's a bad guy, absolutely, but not to the degree that fans make him out to be.

** Protagonists such as [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam Amuro Ray]] and [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Kamille Bidan]] have been victims to this trope, too, due to their apparently unlikeable initial personalities, as compared to the DracoInLeatherPants villains Char Aznable and Haman Karn, who, in the eyes of fans, can absolutely can do no wrong.
** Kycilia Zabi and Quess Paraya are also common targets of Char 'pantsers. Because, you know, being a stern leader who takes out a CompleteMonster and a realistic 13 year-old girl [[SarcasmMode are so much more heinous crimes than backstabbing murder and plotting to kill billions of people.]]

** Although not as frequent due to dying off early in the series, Garma Zabi is a victim to this trope by fans that are a little too obsessed with Char. Despite Garma's [[BenevolentBoss concern]] for Earth Federation civilians landing safely and [[GreenAesop refusing to destroy mountains for a military tactic]], fans label him as a spoiled brat because Char calls him this frequently in his thoughts. They also label him as [[AmbitionIsEvil greedy]] for trying to impress his sister Kycilia, despite Garma telling his own fiance Icelina that if push comes to shove [[LadyAndKnight he will choose her over leading this war]]. Leading to his attempt to get his sister's approval to be more of trying to establish a family bond. Char fans also claim Garma was TooDumbToLive due to trusting Char and that [[DisproportionateRetribution he deserved to die so Char could avenge Zeon Deikun]], despite Char [[BitchInSheepsClothing giving no indication that he had more sinister motives]] concerning Garma and the fact that Degwin was never fully proven to have murdered Char's father as well as Sayla, Char's own sister, being appalled by Char's revenge.