History RonTheDeathEater / Gundam

21st Nov '15 11:41:00 AM nombretomado
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*** Quatre ''does'' have issues--probably more than Trowa, really, because as the end of the above post indicates he ''believes'' killing is bad even when necessary and yet also believes that it is required and acceptable for him to do it under the circumstances. He's set himself up to be [[RurouniKenshin Hitokiri Battousai]], except he's smart enough at least not to put himself and his machine into the hands of any one faction. He has not made the transition to being a killer as smoothly as he probably needs to; the other idealists among the pilots have solid warrior mentalities to fall back on. But he does not have the kind of issues he's given in such stories.

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*** Quatre ''does'' have issues--probably more than Trowa, really, because as the end of the above post indicates he ''believes'' killing is bad even when necessary and yet also believes that it is required and acceptable for him to do it under the circumstances. He's set himself up to be [[RurouniKenshin [[Manga/RurouniKenshin Hitokiri Battousai]], except he's smart enough at least not to put himself and his machine into the hands of any one faction. He has not made the transition to being a killer as smoothly as he probably needs to; the other idealists among the pilots have solid warrior mentalities to fall back on. But he does not have the kind of issues he's given in such stories.
17th Oct '15 5:39:15 PM SugarPrincess125
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1st Aug '15 2:29:52 PM nombretomado
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7th Jun '15 10:23:50 AM n0321
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** A parody of such a trope is Kira Yamato himself in one Japanese Gundam flash animation site in which [[http://kenkoudaa.sakura.ne.jp/page080.html Dearka Elsman becomes a hero against the "evil Kira"]]. Normally known as a sincerely good-hearted, peace-loving hero, in this animated short he is altered as one such trope due to the fact he pilots Gundams terribly well.

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** A parody of such a trope is Played for laughs with Kira Yamato himself in one Japanese Gundam flash animation site in which [[http://kenkoudaa.sakura.ne.jp/page080.html Dearka Elsman becomes a hero against the "evil Kira"]]. Normally known as a sincerely good-hearted, peace-loving hero, in this animated short he is altered as one such trope due to the fact he pilots Gundams terribly well.
15th May '15 3:24:49 PM ACW
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** Interestingly, the Zeon Commander [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamThe08thMSTeam Ginias Sahalin]] receives this AND DracoInLeatherPants. While some portrayed him as a misguided JerkassWoobie, most fans view him as a sadistic, genocidal CompleteMonster who kills Federation soldier and civilians [[ForTheEvulz for fun]] while also [[UngratefulBastard treating his surrogate father Norris Packard as a slave]] and physically and sexually abusing his kind-hearted sister Aina. Some fans even go so far as claiming that he is worse than Giren Zabi and Char Aznable combined. While Ginias is by no means a hero and has his share of KickTheDog moments, he does show some love and affection for his sister before his [[SanitySlippage his mind degrades]] and isn't actually responsible for several atrocities committed by Zeon forces.

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** Interestingly, the Zeon Commander [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamThe08thMSTeam Ginias Sahalin]] receives this AND DracoInLeatherPants. While some portrayed him as a misguided JerkassWoobie, most fans view him as a sadistic, genocidal CompleteMonster bastard who kills Federation soldier and civilians [[ForTheEvulz for fun]] while also [[UngratefulBastard treating his surrogate father Norris Packard as a slave]] and physically and sexually abusing his kind-hearted sister Aina. Some fans even go so far as claiming that he is worse than Giren Zabi and Char Aznable combined. While Ginias is by no means a hero and has his share of KickTheDog moments, he does show some love and affection for his sister before his [[SanitySlippage his mind degrades]] and isn't actually responsible for several atrocities committed by Zeon forces.
12th May '15 1:04:42 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Rey Za Burrel gets hit with this ''and''DracoInLeatherPants depending on which side of the BrokenBase you're on. While the [[DarkMessiah Durandal was right!]] crowd turn him into some sort of hero, haters on the other side are prone to writing him as a monster and a sociopath who cares nothing for Shinn and Luna and shares his [[CloningBlues predecessor's]] OmnicidalManiac philosophy. In reality Rey's a sympathetic AntiVillain who thinks that UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans, cares for Shinn and Luna even as he [[ManipulativeBastard manipulates them]], and rejects Rau Le Creuset's desire to KillAllHumans, seeking instead to [[WellIntentionedExtremist build a better future]]. He's a bad guy, absolutely, but not to the degree that fans make him out to be.

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** Rey Za Burrel gets hit with this ''and''DracoInLeatherPants ''and'' DracoInLeatherPants depending on which side of the BrokenBase you're on. While the [[DarkMessiah Durandal was right!]] crowd turn him into some sort of hero, haters on the other side are prone to writing him as a monster and a sociopath who cares nothing for Shinn and Luna and shares his [[CloningBlues predecessor's]] OmnicidalManiac philosophy. In reality Rey's a sympathetic AntiVillain who thinks that UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans, cares for Shinn and Luna even as he [[ManipulativeBastard manipulates them]], and rejects Rau Le Creuset's desire to KillAllHumans, seeking instead to [[WellIntentionedExtremist build a better future]]. He's a bad guy, absolutely, but not to the degree that fans make him out to be.
11th May '15 2:21:06 PM dinohunterpat
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** Interestingly, the Zeon Commander [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamThe08thMSTeam Ginias Sahalin]] receives this AND DracoInLeatherPants. While some portrayed him as a misguided JerkassWoobie, most fans view him as a sadistic, genocidal CompleteMonster who kills Federation soldier and civilians [[ForTheEvulz for fun]] while also [[UngratefulBastard treating his surrogate father Norris Packard as a slave]] and physically and sexually abusing his kind-hearted sister Aina. Some fans even go so far as claiming that he is worse than Giren Zabi and Char Aznable combined. While Ginias is by no means a hero and has his share of KickTheDog moments, he does show some love and affection for his sister before his [[SanitySlippage his mind degrades]] and isn't actually responsible for several atrocities committed by Zeon forces.
12th Mar '15 2:19:03 PM Reymma
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** Protagonists such as [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam Amuro Ray]] and [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Kamille Bidan]] have been victims to this trope, too, due to their apparently unlikeable initial personalities, as compared to the DracoInLeatherPants villains Char Aznable and Haman Karn, who, in the eyes of fans, can absolutely can do no wrong.
** Kycilia Zabi and Quess Paraya are also common targets of Char 'pantsers. Because, you know, being a stern leader who takes out a CompleteMonster and a realistic 13 year-old girl [[SarcasmMode are so much more heinous crimes than backstabbing murder and plotting to kill billions of people.]]

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** Protagonists such as [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam Amuro Ray]] and [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Kamille Bidan]] have been victims to of this trope, too, due to their apparently unlikeable initial personalities, as compared to the DracoInLeatherPants villains Char Aznable and Haman Karn, who, who are charismatic for all the wrong reasons.
** Although not as frequent due to dying off early
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series, Garma Zabi receives this by fans who are a little too obsessed with Char. Despite Garma's concern for civilians leaving an enemy warship and [[GreenAesop refusing to destroy mountains for a military tactic]], fans label him as a spoiled brat because Char calls him such frequently in his thoughts. They also label him as [[AmbitionIsEvil greedy]] for trying to impress his sister Kycilia, despite Garma telling his own fiancée Icelina that if push comes to shove [[LadyAndKnight he will choose her over leading this war]]. Char fans also claim Garma was TooDumbToLive due to trusting Char and that [[RevengeByProxy he deserved to die so Char could avenge Zeon Deikun]], despite Char having acted as his loyal friend for years before backstabbing him over someone else's crime.
** Kycilia Zabi and Quess Paraya are also common targets of get this to make Char 'pantsers. Because, you know, being a stern leader who takes out a CompleteMonster and a realistic 13 year-old girl [[SarcasmMode are so much more heinous crimes than backstabbing murder and plotting look better by comparison, though they have better reasons to kill billions of people.]] not be liked.



** Although not as frequent due to dying off early in the series, Garma Zabi is a victim to this trope by fans that are a little too obsessed with Char. Despite Garma's [[BenevolentBoss concern]] for Earth Federation civilians landing safely and [[GreenAesop refusing to destroy mountains for a military tactic]], fans label him as a spoiled brat because Char calls him this frequently in his thoughts. They also label him as [[AmbitionIsEvil greedy]] for trying to impress his sister Kycilia, despite Garma telling his own fiance Icelina that if push comes to shove [[LadyAndKnight he will choose her over leading this war]]. Leading to his attempt to get his sister's approval to be more of trying to establish a family bond. Char fans also claim Garma was TooDumbToLive due to trusting Char and that [[DisproportionateRetribution he deserved to die so Char could avenge Zeon Deikun]], despite Char [[BitchInSheepsClothing giving no indication that he had more sinister motives]] concerning Garma and the fact that Degwin was never fully proven to have murdered Char's father as well as Sayla, Char's own sister, being appalled by Char's revenge.
8th Mar '15 10:04:03 AM Daniel1559
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** While they are [[BlackAndGreyMorality definitely no angels]], being a [[DemocracyIsBad corrupt, bloated, elitist]] [[ObstructiveBureaucrat and negligent oligarchic bureaucracy]] whose mistreatment of the colonies and negligence and outright suppression of the Newtype ideology have led to the One Year War, the Earth Federation as a whole is painted in some fan circles as even worse than they are in canon such as gassing colonies on their own before the ascent of [[StateSec the Titans]] or being the ones to fire the nukes first during the One Year War, instead of being provoked by Zeon. Some even believe the Federation to act like the Titans from the get-go, only hiding their true nature until the events of Zeta Gundam. That is despite the fact that the Titans try the Titans actually kept their atrocities such as their colony gassings hidden from the Federation to maintain support, which was cut back once Char exposed them in his Dakar speech. It dosen't help that this is done sometimes in negligance of Gundam's BlackAndGreyMorality and GreyAndGreyMorality themes, [[RootingForTheEmpire with some of the worst portrayals due to genuine support of Zeon's actions]] [[PuttingOnTheReich despite its implications]].

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** While they are [[BlackAndGreyMorality definitely no angels]], being a [[DemocracyIsBad corrupt, bloated, elitist]] [[ObstructiveBureaucrat and negligent oligarchic bureaucracy]] whose mistreatment of the colonies and negligence and outright suppression of the Newtype ideology have led to the One Year War, the Earth Federation as a whole is painted in some fan circles as even worse than they are in canon such as gassing colonies on their own before the ascent of [[StateSec the Titans]] or being the ones to fire the nukes first during the One Year War, instead of being provoked by Zeon. Some even believe the Federation to act like the Titans from the get-go, only hiding their true nature until the events of Zeta Gundam. That is despite the fact that the Titans try the Titans actually kept their atrocities such as their colony gassings hidden from the Federation to maintain support, which was cut back once Char exposed them in his Dakar speech. It dosen't help that this is done sometimes in negligance of Gundam's BlackAndGreyMorality and GreyAndGreyMorality themes, [[RootingForTheEmpire with some of the worst portrayals due to genuine support of Zeon's actions]] [[PuttingOnTheReich despite its implications]].
21st Feb '15 3:29:16 PM Daniel1559
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** While they are [[BlackAndGreyMorality definitely no angels]], being a [[DemocracyIsBad corrupt, bloated, elitist]] [[ObstructiveBureaucrat and negligent oligarchic bureaucracy]] whose mistreatment of the colonies and negligence and outright suppression of the Newtype ideology have led to the One Year War, the Earth Federation as a whole is painted in some fan circles as even worse than they are in canon such as gassing colonies on their own before the ascent of [[StateSec the Titans]] or being the ones to fire the nukes first during the One Year War, instead of being provoked by Zeon. Some even believe the Federation to act like the Titans from the get-go, only hiding their true nature until the events of Zeta Gundam. That is despite the fact that the Titans try the Titans actually kept their atrocities such as their colony gassings hidden from the Federation to maintain support, which was cut back once Char exposed them in his Dakar speech. It dosen't help that this is done sometimes in negligance of Gundam's BlackAndGreyMorality and GreyAndGreyMorality themes, [[RootingForTheEmpire with some of the worst portrayals due to genuine support of Zeon's actions]] [[PuttingOnTheReich despite its implications]].


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** While they are [[BlackAndGreyMorality definitely no angels]], being a [[DemocracyIsBad corrupt, bloated, elitist]] [[ObstructiveBureaucrat and negligent oligarchic bureaucracy]] whose mistreatment of the colonies and negligence and outright suppression of the Newtype ideology have led to the One Year War, the Earth Federation as a whole is painted in some fan circles as even worse than they are in canon such as gassing colonies on their own before the ascent of [[StateSec the Titans]] or being the ones to fire the nukes first during the One Year War, instead of being provoked by Zeon. Some even believe the Federation to act like the Titans from the get-go, only hiding their true nature until the events of Zeta Gundam. That is despite the fact that the Titans try the Titans actually kept their atrocities such as their colony gassings hidden from the Federation to maintain support, which was cut back once Char exposed them in his Dakar speech. It dosen't help that this is done sometimes in negligance of Gundam's BlackAndGreyMorality and GreyAndGreyMorality themes, [[RootingForTheEmpire with some of the worst portrayals due to genuine support of Zeon's actions]] [[PuttingOnTheReich despite its implications]].
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