History Recap / TheSimpsonsS9E8LisaTheSkeptic

5th Jan '17 8:52:45 AM JamesAustin
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* ArtisticLicenseReligion: Lisa, the skeptic, is the only person to suspect the skeleton is fake. All of the other people in town, including Reverend Lovejoy, criticize her for her lack of faith. Except that, according to Christian tradition, angels do not have physical bodies and cannot die. In addition, in some traditions angels also have the ability to shapeshift. Therefore even those who believe in angels, especially the preacher, should have called it out as a fake from the beginning. Lisa and the scientist should also have noticed that the wing bones on the skeleton are an inaccurate depiction of the skeletal structure of avian wings considering the angel appearance the people who made the skeleton are going for is 'human with wings'.
** [[WordOfGod This is pointed out in the DVD commentary by some of the writers]], who state they knew of the inaccuracy but '[[HandWave they just went along with it, anyway]]'.

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* ArtisticLicenseReligion: Lisa, the skeptic, is the only person to suspect the skeleton is fake. All of the other people in town, including Reverend Lovejoy, criticize her for her lack of faith. Except that, according to Christian tradition, angels do not have physical bodies and cannot die. In addition, in some traditions angels also have the ability to shapeshift. Therefore even those who believe in angels, especially the preacher, should have called it out as a fake from the beginning. Lisa and the scientist should also have noticed that the wing bones on the skeleton are an inaccurate depiction of the skeletal structure of avian wings considering the angel appearance the people who made the skeleton are going for is 'human with wings'.
**
wings'. [[WordOfGod This is pointed out in the DVD commentary by some of the writers]], who state they knew of the inaccuracy but '[[HandWave they just went along with it, anyway]]'.



* IfJesusThenAliens: Lisa's careful balance between sweet little girl and intellectual genius was broken severely. Lisa here is a condescending and anti-theistic unbelieving skeptic, despite the fact that she was always portrayed as being somewhat religious before then (and after, to the point where when she lost her religion she was not satisfied until she found another, namely Buddhism). To her credit, we are talking about not believing in angel fossils here. And she was right, they weren't angel fossils at all.
** Then again, at one point she wonders who could believe in angels, period. When Marge says that she does, Lisa immediately questions Marge's intelligence.
*** It's worth noting that Lisa's reply to Marge was in response to Marge's own condescension to her daughter, saying she felt sorry for her because she doesn't have faith.
** Still, she is somewhat humbled when the esteemed Stephen Jay Gould messed up in this episode.
-->'''Lisa:''' I don't understand professor, why didn't your tests show that the skeleton was a fake?
-->'''Gould:''' I'm going to be honest with you Lisa, I never did the tests.
** Alternatively, it may not be so much Stephen Jay Gould messing up, than the fact he felt that to perform tests on the angel fossil would be a waste of time. In fact, the full original line was: "I'm gonna be honest with you, Lisa. I never did the tests. I had important work to do."

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* IfJesusThenAliens: Lisa's careful balance between sweet little girl and intellectual genius was broken severely. Lisa here is a condescending and anti-theistic unbelieving skeptic, despite the fact When Marge rather condescendly said that she was always portrayed as being somewhat religious before then (and after, to the point where when felt sorry for her because she lost her religion she was not satisfied until she found another, namely Buddhism). To her credit, we are talking about not believing in angel fossils here. And she was right, they weren't angel fossils at all.
** Then again, at one point she
doesn't have faith, Lisa wonders who could believe in angels, period. When Marge says that she does, Lisa immediately questions Marge's intelligence.
*** It's worth noting that
intelligence. To Lisa's reply to Marge was in response to Marge's own condescension to her daughter, saying she felt sorry for her because she doesn't have faith.
** Still, she is somewhat humbled when the esteemed Stephen Jay Gould messed up in this episode.
-->'''Lisa:''' I don't understand professor, why didn't your tests show that the skeleton was a fake?
-->'''Gould:''' I'm going to be honest with you Lisa, I never did the tests.
** Alternatively, it may
credit, they were talking about not be so much Stephen Jay Gould messing up, than the fact he felt that to perform tests on the believing in angel fossil would be a waste of time. In fact, the full original line was: "I'm gonna be honest with you, Lisa. I never did the tests. I had important work to do."fossils. And she was right, they weren't angel fossils at all.



* LaserGuidedAmnesia: {{Implied}}.

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* LaserGuidedAmnesia: {{Implied}}.{{Implied|Trope}}.



** LeaveNoWitnesses: The "Amnesia Ray" was a revolver and Burns told Smithers to use it on himself after he's done with the others.



* LeaveNoWitnesses: The "Amnesia Ray" was a revolver and Burns told Smithers to use it on himself after he's done with the others.



* PlanningForTheFutureBeforeTheEnd: Edna suggests she and Skinner have sex one last time before the end. Skinner agrees, but asks her to give him a bit so he can finish filling out the tardy slips. If the world was ending, who cares about tardy slips?
** It's part of Skinner's character. He is like the latter-day depiction of Marge Simpson, who would rather do something boring than something exciting and he isn't aware of how this makes him.

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* PlanningForTheFutureBeforeTheEnd: Edna suggests she and Skinner have sex one last time before the end. Skinner agrees, but asks her to give him a bit so he can finish filling out the tardy slips. If the world was ending, who cares about tardy slips?\n** It's part of Skinner's character. He is like the latter-day depiction of Marge Simpson, who would rather do something boring than something exciting and he isn't aware of how this makes him.



* TakeAThirdOption: a meta example in an episode about science vs religion instead of taking a side the writers opted to make it about the evils of capitalism



-->'''Lisa''': Hey, they can't just build a parking lot on Sabertooth Meadow! That's where they discovered all those fossils.\\

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-->'''Lisa''': ** When Lisa and Homer are discussing the building of a parking lot on a place where fossils were discovered:
--->'''Lisa''':
Hey, they can't just build a parking lot on Sabertooth Meadow! That's where they discovered all those fossils.\\



-->'''Homer''': Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true. Facts, schmacts.

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-->'''Homer''': --->'''Homer''': Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true. Facts, schmacts.
22nd Oct '16 10:33:47 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** TheyJustDidntCare: [[WordOfGod This is pointed out in the DVD commentary by some of the writers]], who state they knew of the inaccuracy but '[[HandWave they just went along with it, anyway]]'.

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** TheyJustDidntCare: [[WordOfGod This is pointed out in the DVD commentary by some of the writers]], who state they knew of the inaccuracy but '[[HandWave they just went along with it, anyway]]'.
9th Oct '16 3:44:35 PM Premonition45
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* IfJesusThenAliens: Lisa's careful balance between sweet little girl and intellectual genius was broken severely. Lisa here is a condescending and atheistic unbelieving skeptic, despite the fact that she was always portrayed as being somewhat religious before then (and after, to the point where when she lost her religion she was not satisfied until she found another, namely Buddhism). To her credit, we are talking about not believing in angel fossils here. And she was right, they weren't angel fossils at all.

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* IfJesusThenAliens: Lisa's careful balance between sweet little girl and intellectual genius was broken severely. Lisa here is a condescending and atheistic anti-theistic unbelieving skeptic, despite the fact that she was always portrayed as being somewhat religious before then (and after, to the point where when she lost her religion she was not satisfied until she found another, namely Buddhism). To her credit, we are talking about not believing in angel fossils here. And she was right, they weren't angel fossils at all.



--> '''Flanders''': Reverend, I've got to admit. This doomsday warning has me just a smidge twitterpated.\\

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--> '''Flanders''': -->'''Flanders''': Reverend, I've got to admit. This doomsday warning has me just a smidge twitterpated.\\



--> '''Lisa''': Ah, here's Dr. Gould now. What were the results, professor?\\

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--> '''Lisa''': -->'''Lisa''': Ah, here's Dr. Gould now. What were the results, professor?\\



--> '''Wiggum''': What's this perp in for, Lou?\\

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--> '''Wiggum''': -->'''Wiggum''': What's this perp in for, Lou?\\



--> '''Lisa''': Hey, they can't just build a parking lot on Sabertooth Meadow! That's where they discovered all those fossils.\\

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--> '''Lisa''': -->'''Lisa''': Hey, they can't just build a parking lot on Sabertooth Meadow! That's where they discovered all those fossils.\\



--> '''Homer''': Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true. Facts, schmacts.

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--> '''Homer''': -->'''Homer''': Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true. Facts, schmacts.
28th Sep '16 8:29:08 AM speedyboris
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* WordSchmord:
--> '''Lisa''': Hey, they can't just build a parking lot on Sabertooth Meadow! That's where they discovered all those fossils.\\
'''Homer''': Fossils, schmossils. You can't stop progress 'cause of some moldy old bones. Bones, schmones.
** And later:
--> '''Homer''': Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true. Facts, schmacts.
27th Sep '16 1:29:05 PM speedyboris
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* LateToTheRealization: Homer visits the police station, thinking he won a raffle for a free motorboat. Instead, it's a ploy to arrest people with outstanding warrants and tickets. Even after the ruse is exposed and he pays the fine, Homer still thinks he's going to get a free motorboat.
27th Sep '16 12:11:53 PM speedyboris
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* HoYay: Invoked. Thinking he has nothing to lose if the world's ending, Smithers kisses Mr. Burns on the mouth. When it's revealed the angel was just a publicity stunt:
--> '''Smithers''': Uh, sir, about that, uh, kiss... I hope you understand it was merely a sign of my respect.\\
'''Mr. Burns''': Yes, yes, of course. ''(looks weirded out)''
27th Sep '16 10:08:07 AM speedyboris
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* AnalogyBackfire:
--> '''Bart''': Why are we getting dressed up? Are we going to Black Angus?\\
'''Marge''': Well... you might say we're going to the [[{{Heaven}} best steakhouse]] in the whole ''universe''.\\
'''Bart''': ''(confused)'' So... we're ''not'' going to Black Angus?
27th Sep '16 9:58:56 AM speedyboris
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* ImmediateSelfContradiction:
--> '''Flanders''': Reverend, I've got to admit. This doomsday warning has me just a smidge twitterpated.\\
'''Lovejoy''': Oh, now, be calm, Ned. But ''be afraid'' also- tremendously afraid- for the day of reckoning is upon us!
27th Sep '16 9:51:56 AM speedyboris
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* PottyEmergency:
--> '''Lisa''': Ah, here's Dr. Gould now. What were the results, professor?\\
'''Stephen Jay Gould''': Inconclusive.\\
'''Lisa''': ''(disappointed)'' Inconclusive? Then why'd you come running up like that?\\
'''Stephen Jay Gould''': ''(whispers)'' Can I use your bathroom?
27th Sep '16 9:47:49 AM speedyboris
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* ShockinglyExpensiveBill: Subverted, when Homer is detained by police:
--> '''Wiggum''': What's this perp in for, Lou?\\
'''Lou''': 235 unpaid parking tickets totaling $175.
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