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Removing trope misuse; as per TRS, this is an IUEO motive trope where the work acknowledges in some fashion that the villain has a good point about his motive for being a villain without it ever being a justification for him becoming a villain because of it.


* BreakTheHaughty: When Cinder tries killing Watts, he [[BreakHerByTalking throws the litany of her failures back in her face]], [[VillainHasAPoint pointing out]] how she's constantly being defeated by her own [[ItsAllAboutMe selfish]] entitled attitude. Instead of carrying through her threat, Cinder releases him and sits down, shedding a SingleTear.

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* BreakTheHaughty: When Cinder tries killing Watts, he [[BreakHerByTalking throws the litany of her failures back in her face]], [[VillainHasAPoint pointing out]] out how she's constantly being defeated by her own [[ItsAllAboutMe selfish]] entitled attitude. Instead of carrying through her threat, Cinder releases him and sits down, shedding a SingleTear.



* VillainHasAPoint: Though Watts is a very unpleasant villain responsible for a lot of death and suffering, he correctly points out that he doesn't work for Cinder and doesn't have to accommodate her whims or desires. He points out all of her ill-considered actions is because she thinks she deserves to take whatever she wants just because she has suffered a lot. By the time he's done lecturing her, she's reduced to tears, implicitly admitting he's right.

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* VillainHasAPoint: Though Watts is a very unpleasant villain responsible for a lot of death and suffering, he correctly points out that he doesn't work for Cinder and doesn't have to accommodate her whims or desires. He points out all of her ill-considered actions is because she thinks she deserves to take whatever she wants just because she has suffered a lot. By the time he's done lecturing her, she's reduced to tears, implicitly admitting he's right.
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Wrong trope. Salem doesn't have a designated Dragon and the reason the argument begins is precisely because of that fact.


* MetaGuy: After Cinder announces her intentions to kill Watts and then forcefully seize the Winter Maiden power from Penny, Watts voices what most of the fandom have been thinking of Cinder as of late. Bursting into laughter, an unimpressed Watts sarcastically says she never changes her methodology, then he dissects her long line of spectacular failures against the heroes and Raven Branwen in the last several volumes which have left her and their entire faction worse off. He refers to her as a "bloody migraine" who fails to live up to [[TheDragon her hype]] and is more responsible for her own failures than the heroes themselves are.

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* MetaGuy: After Cinder announces her intentions to kill Watts and then forcefully seize the Winter Maiden power from Penny, Watts voices what most of the fandom have been thinking of Cinder as of late. Bursting into laughter, an unimpressed Watts sarcastically says she never changes her methodology, then he dissects her long line of spectacular failures against the heroes and Raven Branwen in the last several volumes which have left her and their entire faction worse off. He refers to her as a "bloody migraine" who fails to live up to [[TheDragon [[TheHeavy her hype]] and is more responsible for her own failures than the heroes themselves are.
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* MetaGuy: After Cinder gives a big, scary speech about how she's going to kill Watts and then seize the Winter Maiden power from Penny by force, Watts voices what most of the fandom have been thinking of Cinder as of late. Bursting into laughter, an unimpressed Watts sarcastically comments on the fact that she never changes her methodology, then he dissects her long line of spectacular failures against the heroes and Raven Branwen in the last several volumes which have left her and their entire faction worse off. He decries her as nothing more than "a bloody migraine" who fails to live up to [[TheDragon her hype]] and is more responsible for her own failures than the heroes themselves are.

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* MetaGuy: After Cinder gives a big, scary speech about how she's going announces her intentions to kill Watts and then forcefully seize the Winter Maiden power from Penny by force, Penny, Watts voices what most of the fandom have been thinking of Cinder as of late. Bursting into laughter, an unimpressed Watts sarcastically comments on the fact that says she never changes her methodology, then he dissects her long line of spectacular failures against the heroes and Raven Branwen in the last several volumes which have left her and their entire faction worse off. He decries refers to her as nothing more than "a bloody a "bloody migraine" who fails to live up to [[TheDragon her hype]] and is more responsible for her own failures than the heroes themselves are.



* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: As Cinder tries killing Watts, he angrily informs her that she's not entitled to take what she wants just because she suffered in the past, and that it's her own character faults that are the reason why she keeps failing to obtain the power she seeks. His speech is so powerful that she backs off and starts crying.
* ReformedButRejected: Oscar and Ren are the only ones willing to give Emerald a chance to help them; the others are unwilling to trust or forgive her for all the actions she's committed. Her admission about going their separate ways than stick around to help fight Salem doesn't help matters, either. Even Ruby nearly draws her weapon upon seeing her, requiring Oscar to try and calm her down.

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* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: As Cinder tries killing Watts, he angrily informs her that says she's not entitled to take what she wants just because she suffered in the past, and that it's her own character faults that are the reason why she keeps failing to obtain the power she seeks. His speech is so powerful that she backs off and starts crying.
* ReformedButRejected: Oscar and Ren are the only ones willing to give Emerald a chance to help them; the others are unwilling to trust or forgive her for all the actions she's committed. Her admission about going their separate ways than stick around to help fight Salem doesn't help matters, either. Even Ruby nearly draws her weapon upon seeing her, requiring Oscar to try and calm calming her down.
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* MetaGuy: After Cinder gives a big, scary speech about how she's going to kill Watts and then seize the Winter Maiden power from Penny by force, Watts voices what most of the fandom have been thinking of Cinder as of late. Bursting into laughter in response to Cinder's speech, Watts sarcastically comments on the fact that she never changes her methodology, then he dissects her long line of spectacular failures against the heroes and Raven Branwen which have left her and their entire faction worse off, and he decries her as nothing more than "a bloody migraine" who fails to live up to [[TheDragon her hype]] and is more responsible for her own failures than the heroes themselves are.

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* MetaGuy: After Cinder gives a big, scary speech about how she's going to kill Watts and then seize the Winter Maiden power from Penny by force, Watts voices what most of the fandom have been thinking of Cinder as of late. Bursting into laughter in response to Cinder's speech, laughter, an unimpressed Watts sarcastically comments on the fact that she never changes her methodology, then he dissects her long line of spectacular failures against the heroes and Raven Branwen in the last several volumes which have left her and their entire faction worse off, and he off. He decries her as nothing more than "a bloody migraine" who fails to live up to [[TheDragon her hype]] and is more responsible for her own failures than the heroes themselves are.
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* MetaGuy: After Cinder gives a big, scary speech about how she's going to kill him and then seize the Winter Maiden power from Penny, Watts bursts into laughter and sarcastically dissects her failure to live up to [[TheDragon her own hype]]: bringing up her string of spectacular failures against the heroes and Raven Branwen which have left both her and the villains worse off, and decrying her as nothing more than "a bloody migraine" who is more responsible for her failures than the heroes themselves are.

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* MetaGuy: After Cinder gives a big, scary speech about how she's going to kill him Watts and then seize the Winter Maiden power from Penny, Penny by force, Watts bursts voices what most of the fandom have been thinking of Cinder as of late. Bursting into laughter and in response to Cinder's speech, Watts sarcastically comments on the fact that she never changes her methodology, then he dissects her failure to live up to [[TheDragon her own hype]]: bringing up her string long line of spectacular failures against the heroes and Raven Branwen which have left both her and the villains their entire faction worse off, and decrying he decries her as nothing more than "a bloody migraine" who fails to live up to [[TheDragon her hype]] and is more responsible for her own failures than the heroes themselves are.
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* MetaGuy: After Cinder gives a big, scary speech about how she's going to kill him and then seize the Winter Maiden power from Penny, Watts bursts into laughter and sarcastically dissects her failure to live up to [[TheDragon her own hype]]: bringing up her string of spectacular failures against the heroes and Raven Branwen which have left both her and the villains worse off, and decrying her as nothing more than "a bloody migraine".

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* MetaGuy: After Cinder gives a big, scary speech about how she's going to kill him and then seize the Winter Maiden power from Penny, Watts bursts into laughter and sarcastically dissects her failure to live up to [[TheDragon her own hype]]: bringing up her string of spectacular failures against the heroes and Raven Branwen which have left both her and the villains worse off, and decrying her as nothing more than "a bloody migraine".migraine" who is more responsible for her failures than the heroes themselves are.
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* MetaGuy: After Cinder gives a big, scary speech about how she's going to kill him and then seize the Winter Maiden power from Penny, Watts bursts into laughter and sarcastically dissects her failure to live up to [[TheDragon her own hype]]: bringing up her string of spectacular failures against the heroes and Raven Branwen which have left both her and the villains worse off, and decrying her as nothing more than "a bloody migraine".
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The quote repeats what is being said in the example. It's redundant.


-->'''Watts:''' You think you're entitled to everything just because you've suffered, but suffering isn't enough! You [[DumbMuscle can't just be strong]], you have to be smart! You can't just be deserving, you have to be worthy! But all you have ever been is a ''bloody migraine!''
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* BreakTheHaughty: When Cinder tries killing Watts, he throws the litany of her failures back in her face, pointing out how she's constantly being defeated by her own selfish entitled attitude. Instead of carrying through her threat, Cinder releases him and sits down, shedding a SingleTear.

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* BreakTheHaughty: When Cinder tries killing Watts, he [[BreakHerByTalking throws the litany of her failures back in her face, face]], [[VillainHasAPoint pointing out out]] how she's constantly being defeated by her own selfish [[ItsAllAboutMe selfish]] entitled attitude. Instead of carrying through her threat, Cinder releases him and sits down, shedding a SingleTear.
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* IWarnedYou: During his TheReasonYouSuckSpeech, Watts makes sure to mention that he tried to warn Cinder that her plan with Raven, to gather all of their enemies in one place for a shot a revenge, was foolish but she ignored him and failed at Haven.

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* IWarnedYou: During his TheReasonYouSuckSpeech, Watts makes sure to mention that he tried to warn Cinder that her plan with Raven, to gather all of their enemies in one place for a shot a at revenge, was foolish but she ignored him and failed at Haven.
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I decided to move this to a character folder.


* BreakHerByTalking: Watts is unable to match Cinder's strength and power so, when she tries killing him, he doesn't even try to fight back physically. He instead angrily explains how she's {{her own worst enemy}}, and how her character flaws have led to her previous failures. She's left standing in stunned silence for several moments before releasing him, and sheds a single tear.
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* BreakHerByTalking: Watts is unable to match Cinder's strength and power so, when she tries killing him, he doesn't even try to fight back physically. He instead angrily explains how she's her own worst enemy, and how her character flaws have led to her previous failures. She's left standing in stunned silence for several moments before releasing him, and sheds a single tear.

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* BreakHerByTalking: Watts is unable to match Cinder's strength and power so, when she tries killing him, he doesn't even try to fight back physically. He instead angrily explains how she's her {{her own worst enemy, enemy}}, and how her character flaws have led to her previous failures. She's left standing in stunned silence for several moments before releasing him, and sheds a single tear.
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Sympathetic to the idea that Ozpin let Cinder win, but it's just speculative troping right now, which we're not allowed to do.


** Oscar's use of Ozma's cane to take out Monstro confirms that Cinder was ''allowed'' (during their epic fight in Volume 3) to win by the MagnificentBastard that is Ospin... and that if he'd wanted, 'CurbStompBattle' ''doesn't even begin'' to describe how one-sided that fight could have been,
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** Oscar's use of Ozma's cane to take out Monstro confirms that Cinder was ''allowed'' (during their epic fight in Volume 3) to win by the MagnificentBastard that is Ospin... and that if he'd wanted, 'CurbStompBattle' ''doesn't even begin'' to describe how one-sided that fight could have been,

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Gender stuff


* BreakHerByTalking: Watts is unable to match Cinder's strength and power so, when she tries killing him, he doesn't even try to fight back physically. He instead angrily explains how she's her own worst enemy, and how her character flaws have led to her previous failures. She's left standing in stunned silence for several moments before releasing him, and sheds a single tear.



* BreakThemByTalking: Watts is unable to match Cinder's strength and power so, when she tries killing him, he doesn't even try to fight back physically. He instead angrily explains how she's her own worst enemy, and how her character flaws have led to her previous failures. She's left standing in stunned silence for several moments before releasing him, and sheds a single tear.
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Wait, nvm, this was already explained


** Upon learning that Schnee Dust Company cargo ships are flying to Mantle to rescue the civilians, Ironwood mistakenly attributes this to Weiss, when it was actually ''Whitley'' who sent them. He also is under the assumption that the group was still focused on saving Mantle while not knowing that one team was focused on rescuing one of their own from Salem and the other was recovering from a mission that had nothing to do with Mantle.

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** Upon learning that Schnee Dust Company cargo ships are flying to Mantle to rescue the civilians, Ironwood mistakenly attributes this to Weiss, when it was actually ''Whitley'' who sent them. He also is under the assumption that the group was still focused on saving Mantle while not knowing that one team was focused on rescuing one of their own from Salem and the other was recovering from a mission that had nothing to do with Mantle.
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** Upon learning that Schnee Dust Company cargo ships are flying to Mantle to rescue the civilians, Ironwood mistakenly attributes this to Weiss, when it was actually ''Whitley'' who sent them.

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** Upon learning that Schnee Dust Company cargo ships are flying to Mantle to rescue the civilians, Ironwood mistakenly attributes this to Weiss, when it was actually ''Whitley'' who sent them. He also is under the assumption that the group was still focused on saving Mantle while not knowing that one team was focused on rescuing one of their own from Salem and the other was recovering from a mission that had nothing to do with Mantle.
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Removed by the Complaining clean-up thread due to using an objective trope for audience reaction complaining.


* {{Irony}}: As cathartic as his speech to Cinder is, it's also incredibly ironic just how much of his own criticisms of Cinder can just as easily apply to '''him'''. He believes that ''he'' was entitled to respect from Ironwood and was pissed off when that project and respect went to Pietro's own work. He claims that you need to be smart, but there are a number of times where his own plans fail because of his own [[SmugSnake smug arrogance preventing him from noticing the flaws of his own plans.]] and his belief that you have to be worthy as opposed to just deserving rings hollow given that ''he'' wasn't worthy enough in Ironwood's eyes back when he was still a respected Atlesian scientist.

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* {{Irony}}: As cathartic as his speech to Cinder is, it's also incredibly ironic just how much of his own criticisms of Cinder can just as easily apply to '''him'''. He believes that ''he'' was entitled to respect from Ironwood and was pissed off when that project and respect went to Pietro's own work. He claims that you need to be smart, but there are a number of times where his own plans fail because of his own [[SmugSnake smug arrogance preventing him from noticing the flaws of his own plans.]] and his belief that you have to be worthy as opposed to just deserving rings hollow given that ''he'' wasn't worthy enough in Ironwood's eyes back when he was still a respected Atlesian scientist.



* Irony: As cathartic as his speech to Cinder is, it's also incredibly ironic just how much of his own criticisms of Cinder can just as easily apply to '''him'''. He believes that ''he'' was entitled to respect from Ironwood and was pissed off when that project and respect went to Pietro's own work. He claims that you need to be smart, but there are a number of times where his own plans fail because of his own [[SmugSnake smug arrogance preventing him from noticing the flaws of his own plans.]] and his belief that you have to be worthy as opposed to just deserving rings hollow given that ''he'' wasn't worthy enough in Ironwood's eyes back when he was still a respected Atlesian scientist.
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* Irony: As cathartic as his speech to Cinder is, it's also incredibly ironic just how much of his own criticisms of Cinder can just as easily apply to '''him'''. He believes that ''he'' was entitled to respect from Ironwood and was pissed off when that project and respect went to Pietro's own work. He claims that you need to be smart, but there are a number of times where his own plans fail because of his own [[SmugSnake smug arrogance preventing him from noticing the flaws of his own plans.]] and his belief that you have to be worthy as opposed to just deserving rings hollow given that ''he'' wasn't worthy enough in Ironwood's eyes back when he was still a respected Atlesian scientist.
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-->'''Watts:''' You think you're entitled to everything just because you've suffered, but suffering isn't enough! You [[DumbMuscle can't just be strong]], you have to be smart! You can't just be deserving, you have to be worthy! But all you have ever been, is a ''[[SuddenlyShouting BLOODY MIGRAINE]]!''

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-->'''Watts:''' You think you're entitled to everything just because you've suffered, but suffering isn't enough! You [[DumbMuscle can't just be strong]], you have to be smart! You can't just be deserving, you have to be worthy! But all you have ever been, been is a ''[[SuddenlyShouting BLOODY MIGRAINE]]!''''bloody migraine!''
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This quote just repeats what's already being said in the example. Removing.


-->'''Watts''': Oh, of course you are! Because that's just what you do, isn't it? And how has ''that'' worked out for you?

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Fixing bad grammar and excessive blue-linking. This is actually one example.


* OOCIsSeriousBusiness:
** Cinder is prone to [[CantTakeCriticism violently react to even the smallest form of criticism]], so when her response to Watts stinging words is to break down into tears, it's a clear sign to him that his words had an effect on her.
** On Watts' end, he's so frustrated with Cinder's attitude and failures that he completely drops his trademark DeadpanSnarker attitude and ''screams'' a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech right in her face.

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* OOCIsSeriousBusiness:
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OOCIsSeriousBusiness: The seriousness of Cinder is prone to [[CantTakeCriticism violently react to even the smallest form of criticism]], so when her response to Watts stinging words is to break down into tears, it's a clear sign to him that his words had an effect on her.
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and Watts' end, he's argument is lampshaded by their unusual behaviour. Watts is so frustrated with Cinder's her attitude and failures that he completely drops his trademark DeadpanSnarker attitude and ''screams'' drawl to scream a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech right in her face.face. Normally prone to reacting violently towards even minor criticism, and already on the verge of killing him, Cinder instead breaks down in tears; it's such a clear sign that she's accepted his point that Watts is left sighing with relief.
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If the sarcasm is visible, Sarcasm Mode should not be potholed. The entire quote makes it extremely clear what his mood is.


-->'''Watts''': [[SarcasmMode Oh, of course you are!]] Because that's just what you do, isn't it? And how has ''that'' worked out for you?

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-->'''Watts''': [[SarcasmMode Oh, of course you are!]] are! Because that's just what you do, isn't it? And how has ''that'' worked out for you?
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Entire sentences should not be blue-linked.


-->'''Watts:''' You think you're entitled to everything just because you've suffered, but suffering isn't enough! [[DumbMuscle You can't just be strong, you have to be smart!]] You can't just be deserving, you have to be worthy! But all you have ever been, is a ''[[SuddenlyShouting BLOODY MIGRAINE]]!''

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-->'''Watts:''' You think you're entitled to everything just because you've suffered, but suffering isn't enough! You [[DumbMuscle You can't just be strong, strong]], you have to be smart!]] smart! You can't just be deserving, you have to be worthy! But all you have ever been, is a ''[[SuddenlyShouting BLOODY MIGRAINE]]!''

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