History RealityIsUnrealistic / AnimeAndManga

23rd May '18 4:05:17 PM rjd1922
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* One criticism often leveled against ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' is that its characters are unrealistic. The depiction of their dysfunction is supposedly too extreme to be believable. In fact, the main trio's personalities match up very well to genuine mental problems, to the point where it seems probable that they were consciously modeled after them. Shinji seems to have [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avoidant_personality_disorder avoidant personality disorder]], Asuka [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder narcissistic personality disorder]] and Rei [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_personality_disorder schizoid personality disorder]]. Granted, it's unlikely that three such people would just so [[EveryoneWentToSchoolTogether happen to be acquaintances]], which hurts the WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief. [[spoiler: Well, [[OmniscientCouncilOfVagueness there's a reason for that...]] ]] The in-universe explanation for why all the Eva pilots happen to have deep-seated emotional problems is AllThereInTheManual.
** The EldritchAbomination portrayal of Angels in the series is actually more accurate to what the Bible described them as (mind-bendingly bizarre and strange) than the humans with white wings we see in most religious art.

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* One criticism often leveled against ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' is that its characters are unrealistic. The depiction of their dysfunction is supposedly too extreme to be believable. In fact, the main trio's personalities match up very well to genuine mental problems, to the point where it seems probable that they were consciously modeled after them. Shinji seems to have [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avoidant_personality_disorder avoidant personality disorder]], Asuka [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder narcissistic personality disorder]] and Rei [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_personality_disorder schizoid personality disorder]]. Granted, it's unlikely that three such people would just so [[EveryoneWentToSchoolTogether happen to be acquaintances]], which hurts the WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief. [[spoiler: Well, [[spoiler:Well, [[OmniscientCouncilOfVagueness there's a reason for that...]] ]] The in-universe explanation for why all the Eva pilots happen to have deep-seated emotional problems is AllThereInTheManual.
** The EldritchAbomination portrayal of Angels in the series is actually more accurate to [[OurAngelsAreDifferent what the Bible described them as as]] (mind-bendingly bizarre and strange) than the [[WingedHumanoid humans with white wings wings]] we see in most religious art.
15th May '18 9:47:37 PM nanakiro
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* One of the complaints fans had with ''Anime/SailorMoonCrystal'' was towards the Guardians' designs looking much older than their actual ages, having long proportions and thin frames as well as more traditional shoujo-esque eye designs. As a result, there were those asking for a redesign to make them more in line with the "real" designs of [[Anime/SailorMoon the 90s anime]]. Problem is, the redesigns were based on Naoko Takeuchi's original illustrations for the ''Nakayoshi'' serialization, right down to the older, thinner look (Takeuchi based the style off of fashion illustrations). Thanks to good ol' AdaptationDisplacement and marketing of the anime lasting years, the character designs of the first ''Sailor Moon'' anime became so iconic that the original look seems less real and more "sterotypically shoujo". Fans were more receptive to their redesign in season 3, where they managed to meet in the middle for the poppy, proportional 90s and leggy, model-esque manga aesthetics.

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* One of the complaints fans had with ''Anime/SailorMoonCrystal'' was towards the Guardians' designs looking much older than their actual ages, having long proportions and thin frames as well as more traditional shoujo-esque eye designs. As a result, there were those asking for a redesign to make them more in line with the "real" designs of [[Anime/SailorMoon the 90s anime]]. Problem is, the redesigns were based on Naoko Takeuchi's original illustrations for the ''Nakayoshi'' serialization, right down to the older, thinner look (Takeuchi based the style off of fashion illustrations). Thanks to good ol' AdaptationDisplacement and marketing of the anime lasting years, the character designs of the first ''Sailor Moon'' anime became so iconic that the original look seems less real and more "sterotypically "stereotypically shoujo". Fans were more receptive to their redesign in season 3, where they managed to meet in the middle for the poppy, proportional 90s and leggy, model-esque manga aesthetics.
15th May '18 9:46:35 PM nanakiro
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* Due to the fact that many anime exaggeratedly show ordinary people as impenetrable idealists and born heroic personalities, especially ordinary school students, Subaru from ''LightNovel/ReZero'' may seem very repulsive and stupid because his image is as close as possible to the idea that as if a real ordinary teenager acted in such a situation and through which he would have to pass before becoming strong.

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* Due to the fact that many anime and light novels exaggeratedly show ordinary people as impenetrable idealists and born heroic personalities, especially ordinary school students, Subaru from ''LightNovel/ReZero'' may seem very repulsive and stupid because his image is as close as possible to the idea that as if a real ordinary teenager acted in such a situation and through which he would have to pass before becoming strong.


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* One of the complaints fans had with ''Anime/SailorMoonCrystal'' was towards the Guardians' designs looking much older than their actual ages, having long proportions and thin frames as well as more traditional shoujo-esque eye designs. As a result, there were those asking for a redesign to make them more in line with the "real" designs of [[Anime/SailorMoon the 90s anime]]. Problem is, the redesigns were based on Naoko Takeuchi's original illustrations for the ''Nakayoshi'' serialization, right down to the older, thinner look (Takeuchi based the style off of fashion illustrations). Thanks to good ol' AdaptationDisplacement and marketing of the anime lasting years, the character designs of the first ''Sailor Moon'' anime became so iconic that the original look seems less real and more "sterotypically shoujo". Fans were more receptive to their redesign in season 3, where they managed to meet in the middle for the poppy, proportional 90s and leggy, model-esque manga aesthetics.
5th Apr '18 11:52:16 AM GeheimnisGoth
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* ''Manga/WanderingSon'' fans bemoan that [[spoiler:Takatsuki]] no longer considers themselves {{transsexual}} by the end. People cry that it's unrealistic and [=OOC=] but studies have shown that many children who can be considered transgender grow up to be cisgender identified when they're older. Also it's left ambiguous in the end whether they're really cis or it's a phase due to confusion, having no support, and lack of confidence.

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* ''Manga/WanderingSon'' fans bemoan that [[spoiler:Takatsuki]] no longer considers themselves {{transsexual}} {{transgender}} by the end. People cry that it's unrealistic and [=OOC=] but studies have shown that many children who can be considered transgender grow up to be cisgender identified when they're older. Also it's left ambiguous in the end whether they're really cis or it's a phase due to confusion, having no support, and lack of confidence.
31st Mar '18 7:58:50 PM DarkHunter
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** Not involving any sci-fi elements, in ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny'', Shinn keeps around his dead sister's cell phone and listens to her voicemail message when hes down. Now, people do keep answering machines and old family movies with people that have died. With the FanDumb however, they view Shinn as a sick fuck because of this.

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** Not involving any sci-fi elements, in ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny'', Shinn keeps around his dead sister's cell phone and listens to her voicemail message when hes he's down. Now, it's fairly common behavior for people do to keep answering machines and old family movies with people that have died. With the FanDumb however, they view Shinn as a sick fuck having something wrong with his head because of this.
30th Mar '18 6:26:43 PM chucknormie
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* Eriri from ''LightNovel/HowToRaiseABoringGirlfriend'' is often slammed for being a female {{Hentai}} artist, because to many it just seems to be [[OtakuSurrogate thrown in there to appeal her]] [[PanderingToTheBase to the male otaku fanbase of the novels]], and [[AluminumChristmasTrees what straight woman would draw porn intended for a male audience, right]]? Website/4Chan [[http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/784957-4chan can name about forty]], and these are just the ones high-profile enough to be known by the Western fanbase, meaning there are likely many more female hentai artists out there.
26th Feb '18 4:13:07 PM rjd1922
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It should be noted that many western media reported the more or less total lack of looting in Kobe, following the Great Hanshin earthquake of 1995, with considerable undertones of awe. Add to this that the Japanese are widely considered as a society striving for consensus and collective good and this turns into a major case of the reviewer not doing his research. Not to mention, lying on the Pacific "Ring of Fire", they're kinda used to these things. It was a different case with the Kanto Earthquake in the early 1900s where riots did go out of control.

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It should be noted that many western Western media reported the more or less total lack of looting in Kobe, following the Great Hanshin earthquake of 1995, with considerable undertones of awe. Add to this that the Japanese are widely considered as a society striving for consensus and collective good and this turns into a major case of the reviewer not doing his research. Not to mention, lying on the Pacific "Ring of Fire", they're kinda used to these things. It was a different case with the Kanto Earthquake in the early 1900s where riots did go out of control.



** It does help East Asians[[note]]By East Asians, we mean Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Thais, Filipinos, Vietnamese, Mongolians and anyone with more Asian-looking feature. West Asians, like Jewish, Arabs, Hindus, Persians, Afghans and people from the former Asian part of the Soviet Union, have more features in common with Western or African people than their Eastern neighbors.[[/note]] can impersonate a woman or a much younger person much easier than a westerner. Many Asian actors, like Creator/JetLi, used this feature when playing a young man in ''Film/DannyTheDog''.

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** It does help East Asians[[note]]By East Asians, we mean Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Thais, Filipinos, Vietnamese, Mongolians and anyone with more Asian-looking feature. West Asians, like Jewish, Arabs, Hindus, Persians, Afghans and people from the former Asian part of the Soviet Union, have more features in common with Western or African people than their Eastern neighbors.[[/note]] can impersonate a woman or a much younger person much easier than a westerner.Westerner. Many Asian actors, like Creator/JetLi, used this feature when playing a young man in ''Film/DannyTheDog''.
26th Feb '18 4:12:14 PM rjd1922
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** Some American fans complain that it's unrealistic, even accounting for Japanese cultural privacy, for fifteen year olds to live alone without any legal guardians or state intervention. However, in Western countries, including America, teenagers who are legally minors can indeed be found living alone without any guardians or state intervention. Psychology research has identified many reasons, including: parental abandonment/neglect[[note]](Mizuiro's mother isn't raising him, so he seduces older women to play a parental substitute role in her stead)[[/note]], death of any/all guardians[[note]](Sado's parents died when he was eight and his grandfather died before he reached fifteen)[[/note]], parental abuse[[note]](Three-year old Orihime was kidnapped by her eighteen-year old brother Sora to save her life from parental abuse. He died nine years later, leaving Orihime alone)[[/note]], walking out on the parents[[note]](Uryuu walked out on his father in disgust when he realised Ryuuken hates being a quincy, although it's strongly implied Ryuuken quit being quincy to save Uryuu's life, and is still secretly protecting him)[[/note]], or arrangements with family that allows for the child to be independent of all direct intervention except for financial support[[note]](Orihime's independence is actually funded by an aunt who has nothing to do with Orihime on a daily basis but who funds her on the understanding that she does well in school, which she does)[[/note]]. In short, all the manga examples do occur in real life, even in the US.

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** Some American fans complain that it's unrealistic, even accounting for Japanese cultural privacy, for fifteen year [[MinorLivingAlone fifteen-year olds to live alone without any legal guardians or state intervention.intervention]]. However, in Western countries, including America, teenagers who are legally minors can indeed be found living alone without any guardians or state intervention. Psychology research has identified many reasons, including: parental abandonment/neglect[[note]](Mizuiro's mother isn't raising him, so he seduces older women to play a parental substitute role in her stead)[[/note]], death of any/all guardians[[note]](Sado's parents died when he was eight and his grandfather died before he reached fifteen)[[/note]], parental abuse[[note]](Three-year old Orihime was kidnapped by her eighteen-year old brother Sora to save her life from parental abuse. He died nine years later, leaving Orihime alone)[[/note]], walking out on the parents[[note]](Uryuu walked out on his father in disgust when he realised Ryuuken hates being a quincy, although it's strongly implied Ryuuken quit being quincy to save Uryuu's life, and is still secretly protecting him)[[/note]], or arrangements with family that allows for the child to be independent of all direct intervention except for financial support[[note]](Orihime's independence is actually funded by an aunt who has nothing to do with Orihime on a daily basis but who funds her on the understanding that she does well in school, which she does)[[/note]]. In short, all the manga examples do occur in real life, even in the US.
26th Feb '18 4:11:13 PM rjd1922
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*** This, despite that a minor celebrity in the U.S. is [[http://www.101lifestyle.com/images/celebs/julie_chen/DCELEB-julie-chen-pics-001.jpg Julie Chen]], a former newsanchor, host of ''Series/BigBrother'' and a talk-show host in the off-season.

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*** This, despite that a minor celebrity in the U.S. is [[http://www.101lifestyle.com/images/celebs/julie_chen/DCELEB-julie-chen-pics-001.jpg [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julie_Chen Julie Chen]], a former newsanchor, host of ''Series/BigBrother'' and a talk-show host in the off-season.
26th Feb '18 4:05:25 PM rjd1922
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* ''Manga/WanderingSon'' fans bemoan that [[spoiler:Takatsuki]] no longer considers themselves {{transsexual}} by the end. People cry that it's unrealistic and [=OOC=] but studies have shown that most children who can be considered transgender grow up to be cisgender identified when they're older. Also it's left ambiguous in the end whether they're really cis or it's a phase due to confusion, having no support, and lack of confidence.
* One of the most common arguments to pop up in a ''SubbingVsDubbing'' debate is that certain characters sound too old or too young for their age group in English dubs. This is despite the fact that a person who sounds different from their actual age is definitely not unheard of in reality and extremely common, especially if they are right around the age when they hit puberty. There are even cases where a voice actor is accused of sounding "too young" for their character even though they are actually much older and that is their actual speaking voice. For example, it was a common complaint that Kotetsu from ''Anime/TigerAndBunny'' sounded "too young" in the English dub, even though Kotetsu is most likely in his 30s and his English voice actor, Creator/WallyWingert, is in his early 50s and is using his natural voice.

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* ''Manga/WanderingSon'' fans bemoan that [[spoiler:Takatsuki]] no longer considers themselves {{transsexual}} by the end. People cry that it's unrealistic and [=OOC=] but studies have shown that most many children who can be considered transgender grow up to be cisgender identified when they're older. Also it's left ambiguous in the end whether they're really cis or it's a phase due to confusion, having no support, and lack of confidence.
* One of the most common arguments to pop up in a ''SubbingVsDubbing'' SubbingVsDubbing debate is that certain characters sound too old or too young for their age group in English dubs. This is despite the fact that a person who sounds different from their actual age is definitely not unheard of in reality and extremely common, especially if they are right around the age when they hit puberty. There are even cases where a voice actor is accused of sounding "too young" for their character even though they are actually much older and that is their actual speaking voice. For example, it was a common complaint that Kotetsu from ''Anime/TigerAndBunny'' sounded "too young" in the English dub, even though Kotetsu is most likely in his 30s and his English voice actor, Creator/WallyWingert, is in his early 50s and is using his natural voice.
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