History Quotes / HumansAreFlawed

23rd Feb '16 2:09:42 PM DeisTheAlcano
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-->--'''Cassius''', ''Theatre/JuliusCaesar''

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-->--'''Cassius''', -->-- '''Cassius''', ''Theatre/JuliusCaesar''



-->--'''Music/BobDylan''', "Man in the Long Black Coat"

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-->--'''Music/BobDylan''', -->-- '''Music/BobDylan''', "Man in the Long Black Coat"



->@@MAN, n. An animal so lost in rapturous contemplation of what he thinks he is as to overlook what he indubitably ought to be.@@\\
@@His chief occupation is extermination of other animals and his own species, which, however, multiplies with such insistent rapidity@@\\
@@as to infest the whole habitable earth [[MyFriendsAndZoidberg and Canada]].@@

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->@@MAN, ->''"MAN, n. An animal so lost in rapturous contemplation of what he thinks he is as to overlook what he indubitably ought to be.@@\\
@@His His chief occupation is extermination of other animals and his own species, which, however, multiplies with such insistent rapidity@@\\
@@as
rapidity as to infest the whole habitable earth [[MyFriendsAndZoidberg and Canada]].@@"''



->Yet man will never be perfect until he learns to create and destroy; he does know how to destroy, and that is half the battle.
-->--'''Creator/AlexandreDumas''', ''Literature/TheCountOfMonteCristo''

->We are afraid of everything, brother, as all mortals are. And, we want everything. As if immortality is granted to us.
-->--'''Petr''', ''{{VideoGame/Pathologic}}''

->They can be a great people, Kal-El, if they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way.
-->--'''Jor-El''', ''Film/SupermanTheMovie''

->Earth technology and science have progressed [[TheWorldIsNotReady faster than political and social knowledge]]. Purpose of mission: To prevent Earth's civilization from destroying itself before it can mature into a peaceful society.
-->--'''Gary Seven''', ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' ("Assignment: Earth")

->It is said that at the dawn of time, man, beast, and all magical beings lived together under Aeglin, the Father Tree. But man had been created with a hole in his heart, a hole that no possession, power, or knowledge could fill.
-->-- '''Professor Trevor 'Broom' Bruttenholm,''' ''Film/HellboyIITheGoldenArmy''

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->Yet ->''"Yet man will never be perfect until he learns to create and destroy; he does know how to destroy, and that is half the battle.
-->--'''Creator/AlexandreDumas''',
battle."''
-->-- '''Creator/AlexandreDumas''',
''Literature/TheCountOfMonteCristo''

->We ->''"We are afraid of everything, brother, as all mortals are. And, we want everything. As if immortality is granted to us.
-->--'''Petr''',
us."''
-->-- '''Petr''',
''{{VideoGame/Pathologic}}''

->They ->''"They can be a great people, Kal-El, if they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way.
-->--'''Jor-El''',
way."''
-->-- '''Jor-El''',
''Film/SupermanTheMovie''

->Earth ->''"Earth technology and science have progressed [[TheWorldIsNotReady faster than political and social knowledge]]. Purpose of mission: To prevent Earth's civilization from destroying itself before it can mature into a peaceful society.
-->--'''Gary
society."''
-->-- '''Gary
Seven''', ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' ("Assignment: Earth")

->It
''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'', "Assignment: Earth"

->''"It
is said that at the dawn of time, man, beast, and all magical beings lived together under Aeglin, the Father Tree. But man had been created with a hole in his heart, a hole that no possession, power, or knowledge could fill.
fill."''
-->-- '''Professor Trevor 'Broom' Bruttenholm,''' Bruttenholm''', ''Film/HellboyIITheGoldenArmy''



''Man is mortal, and doomed to death and failure and loss.''\\
''This lies beyond our comprehension - why do you not despair?''

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''Man ''"Man is mortal, and doomed to death and failure and loss.''\\
''This lies beyond our comprehension - why do you not despair?''despair?"''



->I don't believe in humanity...But I believe in the potential of humanity.
-->-- '''[[{{LightNovel/NoGameNoLife}} Sora]]''', ''to Jibril''.

-> '''Cornelius''': You don't like them do you?\\
'''Zira''': Who?\\
'''Cornelius''': The Humans.\\
'''Zira''': We have met hundreds since coming here. And so far I trust...Three.

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->I ->''"I don't believe in humanity...humanity... But I believe in the potential of humanity.
humanity."''
-->-- '''[[{{LightNovel/NoGameNoLife}} Sora]]''', ''to Jibril''.'''Sora''' to Jibril, ''{{LightNovel/NoGameNoLife}}''.

-> '''Cornelius''': ->'''Cornelius:''' You don't like them do you?\\
'''Zira''': '''Zira:''' Who?\\
'''Cornelius''': '''Cornelius:''' The Humans.\\
'''Zira''': '''Zira:''' We have met hundreds since coming here. And so far I trust... Three.



->I'm a humanist. Maybe the last humanist. Who, in their right mind, Kevin, could possibly deny the 20th century was entirely ''mine''?
-->--'''[[{{Satan}} John Milton]]''', ''Film/TheDevilsAdvocate''

->People are messy, awkward, sometimes selfish and cruel. But they're trying, and [[KnightInSourArmor I'm going to make sure they have a chance.]]

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->I'm ->''"I'm a humanist. Maybe the last humanist. Who, in their right mind, Kevin, could possibly deny the 20th century was entirely ''mine''?
-->--'''[[{{Satan}}
''mine''?"''
-->-- '''[[{{Satan}}
John Milton]]''', ''Film/TheDevilsAdvocate''

->People ->''"People are messy, awkward, sometimes selfish and cruel. But they're trying, and [[KnightInSourArmor I'm going to make sure they have a chance.]]]]"''



->We’re flawed, people are. We’re damaged. We come into the world nearly perfect, naked, and happy and then life delivers the beatdown. It kicks our asses and makes us feel like shit. It does permanent damage. Bad luck, people, our own mistakes. I want to work hard at things I love, find the good, be one of the people who ''fix'' instead of ''break.''

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->We’re ->''"We’re flawed, people are. We’re damaged. We come into the world nearly perfect, naked, and happy and then life delivers the beatdown. It kicks our asses and makes us feel like shit. It does permanent damage. Bad luck, people, our own mistakes. I want to work hard at things I love, find the good, be one of the people who ''fix'' instead of ''break.''''"''



-->-- '''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Lyra]]''', [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4dWMxTWTXE Lyra's Song]]

->Using Chaotic means to fulfill Lawful obligations strikes me as fairly Neutral... I don't think my superiors would blink if I kicked your case over to the Neutral Good afterlife, but there's one factor preventing me: You're trying. You're '''trying''' to be Lawful Good. People forget how crucial it is to keep trying, even if they screw it up now and then. They figure that if they can't manage it perfectly every waking second, then they should just pick some other alignment because it'll be easier. But it's the struggle that matters. It's easy for a being of pure Law and Good to live up to these ideals, but you're a mortal. What matters is that when you blow it, you get back up on the horse and try again.
-->-- '''''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick''''', ''[[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0490.html "Final Review"]]''

->We were all heroes, in spite of ourselves.

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-->-- '''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Lyra]]''', '''Lyra''', ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4dWMxTWTXE Lyra's Song]]

->Using ->''"Using Chaotic means to fulfill Lawful obligations strikes me as fairly Neutral... I don't think my superiors would blink if I kicked your case over to the Neutral Good afterlife, but there's one factor preventing me: You're trying. You're '''trying''' to be Lawful Good. People forget how crucial it is to keep trying, even if they screw it up now and then. They figure that if they can't manage it perfectly every waking second, then they should just pick some other alignment because it'll be easier. But it's the struggle that matters. It's easy for a being of pure Law and Good to live up to these ideals, but you're a mortal. What matters is that when you blow it, you get back up on the horse and try again.
again."''
-->-- '''''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick''''', ''[[http://www.'''Bureaucratic Deva''', ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'', "[[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0490.html "Final Review"]]''

->We
Final Review]]"

->''"We
were all heroes, in spite of ourselves."''



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->"Men will always be mad, and those that try to cure them are the maddest of all."
-->--'''{{Creator/Voltaire}}'''

->''I am afraid that our eyes are bigger than our stomachs, and that we have more curiosity than understanding. We grasp at everything, but catch nothing except wind.''
-->--'''Michel de Montaigne'''

->''Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century:\\

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[[folder:real life]]

->"Men
[[folder:Real Life]]

->''"Men
will always be mad, and those that try to cure them are the maddest of all."
-->--'''{{Creator/Voltaire}}'''

->''I
"''
-->-- '''{{Creator/Voltaire}}'''

->''"I
am afraid that our eyes are bigger than our stomachs, and that we have more curiosity than understanding. We grasp at everything, but catch nothing except wind.''
-->--'''Michel
"''
-->-- '''Michel
de Montaigne'''

->''Six ->''"Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century:\\



Attempting [[AssimilationPlot to compel others to believe and live as we do.]]''

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Attempting [[AssimilationPlot to compel others to believe and live as we do.]]'']]"''



->Heaven and Hell suppose two distinct species of men, the Good and the Bad. But the greatest part of mankind float betwixt vice and virtue.

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->Heaven ->''"Heaven and Hell suppose two distinct species of men, the Good and the Bad. But the greatest part of mankind float betwixt vice and virtue."''



->Why has government been instituted at all? Because the passions of men will not conform to the dictates of reason and justice, without [[HobbesWasRight constraint.]]
-->--'''UsefulNotes/AlexanderHamilton''', ''TheFederalistPapers'' No. 15

->Man was made at the end of the week's work when God was tired.
-->--'''Creator/MarkTwain'''

->Out of the crooked timber of humanity no straight thing was ever made.

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->Why ->''"Why has government been instituted at all? Because the passions of men will not conform to the dictates of reason and justice, without [[HobbesWasRight constraint.]]
-->--'''UsefulNotes/AlexanderHamilton''', ''TheFederalistPapers''
]]"''
-->-- '''UsefulNotes/AlexanderHamilton''', ''The Federalist Papers''
No. 15

->Man ->''"Man was made at the end of the week's work when God was tired.
-->--'''Creator/MarkTwain'''

->Out
tired."''
-->-- '''Creator/MarkTwain'''

->''"Out
of the crooked timber of humanity no straight thing was ever made."''



->...it is gratuitous to advise any human being to look out for himself. [[ShapedLikeItself You can be sure that he will.]] It is far more difficult to persuade him to help his neighbor to build a dam or to defend a town or to give food he has accumulated to the victims of a famine.
-->--'''Creator/GoreVidal''' [[http://www.esquire.com/features/gore-vidal-archive/comment-0761 on]] ''AtlasShrugged''

->I'm a believer that Patrick Bateman can exist at anytime. Patrick Bateman is an example of what Hannah Arendt called, 'the banality of evil.' That's basically what he is. He could have existed a hundred years ago (he probably existed five hundred years ago). He'll probably exist five hundred years from now. He's just an example of [[AbstractApotheosis the constantness of evil]]. He might be a creature of the eighties with all the trappings that implies, but I think he's really a creature of eternity. Man doesn't necessarily change for the better depending upon the decade, or depending upon how ten years have passed. I think man is born and is corrupted and is always capable of badness. Capable of goodness, too, but badness gets more attention. We notice it more often. It makes more of an impact on us.
-->--'''BretEastonEllis''' on ''Literature/AmericanPsycho''

->Look at Gordon: He wasn’t a hero cop, he was a powerless man mired down by corruption. Look at Bruce: He wasn’t an agent of justice, he going to shoot Joe Chill in the head. The only thing that stopped Bruce was coincidence, and the only thing that helped Gordon was Bruce. So if people are only as good as the world lets them be, then it’s not just Batman’s job to punish the guilty, ''he has to make a world where people can be better''. Otherwise, they give in and throw morality aside. [[InTheirOwnImage They become the Joker.]]
-->-- '''Chris Sims''', ''Andy Khouri''', and '''David Uzumeri''' [[http://comicsalliance.com/comicsalliance-review-dark-knight-3/ on]] ''[[Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy The Dark Knight]]''

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->...->''"...it is gratuitous to advise any human being to look out for himself. [[ShapedLikeItself You can be sure that he will.]] It is far more difficult to persuade him to help his neighbor to build a dam or to defend a town or to give food he has accumulated to the victims of a famine.
-->--'''Creator/GoreVidal'''
famine."''
-->-- '''Creator/GoreVidal'''
[[http://www.esquire.com/features/gore-vidal-archive/comment-0761 on]] ''AtlasShrugged''

->I'm
''Literature/AtlasShrugged''

->''"I'm
a believer that Patrick Bateman can exist at anytime. Patrick Bateman is an example of what Hannah Arendt called, 'the banality of evil.' That's basically what he is. He could have existed a hundred years ago (he probably existed five hundred years ago). He'll probably exist five hundred years from now. He's just an example of [[AbstractApotheosis the constantness of evil]]. He might be a creature of the eighties with all the trappings that implies, but I think he's really a creature of eternity. Man doesn't necessarily change for the better depending upon the decade, or depending upon how ten years have passed. I think man is born and is corrupted and is always capable of badness. Capable of goodness, too, but badness gets more attention. We notice it more often. It makes more of an impact on us.
-->--'''BretEastonEllis'''
us."''
-->-- '''BretEastonEllis'''
on ''Literature/AmericanPsycho''

->Look ->''"Look at Gordon: He wasn’t a hero cop, he was a powerless man mired down by corruption. Look at Bruce: He wasn’t an agent of justice, he going to shoot Joe Chill in the head. The only thing that stopped Bruce was coincidence, and the only thing that helped Gordon was Bruce. So if people are only as good as the world lets them be, then it’s not just Batman’s job to punish the guilty, ''he has to make a world where people can be better''. Otherwise, they give in and throw morality aside. [[InTheirOwnImage They become the Joker.]]
]]"''
-->-- '''Chris Sims''', ''Andy '''Andy Khouri''', and '''David Uzumeri''' [[http://comicsalliance.com/comicsalliance-review-dark-knight-3/ on]] ''[[Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy The Dark Knight]]''
''Film/TheDarkKnight''



->The only much-needed detour from the straightforward plot of the film is when Joe Pantoliano's Cypher, the bald IT guy of the ''Nebuchadnezzar'', betrays the human resistance and kills two of his friends for the off chance of [[FoodAsBribe tasting steak again]], a decision I'm not sure I can fault him on. His turncoat moment also gave the story some depth by showing that, in the war between [[ManVersusMachine man and machine]], not all humans are automatically good.

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->The ->''"The only much-needed detour from the straightforward plot of the film is when Joe Pantoliano's Cypher, the bald IT guy of the ''Nebuchadnezzar'', betrays the human resistance and kills two of his friends for the off chance of [[FoodAsBribe tasting steak again]], a decision I'm not sure I can fault him on. His turncoat moment also gave the story some depth by showing that, in the war between [[ManVersusMachine man and machine]], not all humans are automatically good."''



->It's not Midnight that renders the Doctor helpless, but the reality of people. They're vivid portrayals of the myth of ''Series/DoctorWho'' transported into everyday people, of the sort that [[Creator/RussellTDavies Davies]] writes very, very well. And they break the show. In a wonderfully disturbing inversion of the mawkish {{glurge}} that usually constitutes the hero being [[ReedRichardsIsUseless utterly impotent]] in the face of a threat, it is not that the hero is flawed because he's fictional. It's that we are all flawed because we are not.

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->It's ->''"It's not Midnight that renders the Doctor helpless, but the reality of people. They're vivid portrayals of the myth of ''Series/DoctorWho'' transported into everyday people, of the sort that [[Creator/RussellTDavies Davies]] writes very, very well. And they break the show. In a wonderfully disturbing inversion of the mawkish {{glurge}} that usually constitutes the hero being [[ReedRichardsIsUseless utterly impotent]] in the face of a threat, it is not that the hero is flawed because he's fictional. It's that we are all flawed because we are not."''
12th Feb '16 5:42:23 PM bonesawisready
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->"Men will always be mad, and those that try to cure them are the maddest of all."
-->--'''{{Creator/Voltaire}}'''
27th Dec '15 3:20:47 AM Morgenthaler
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-->-- '''CharliePeacock''', "Human Condition"

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-->-- '''CharliePeacock''', '''Music/CharliePeacock''', "Human Condition"



-->-- '''E.K. Hornbeck''', ''InheritTheWind''

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-->-- '''E.K. Hornbeck''', ''InheritTheWind''
''Theatre/InheritTheWind''
25th Dec '15 7:03:36 PM nombretomado
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-->--'''AlexanderHamilton''', ''TheFederalistPapers'' No. 15

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-->--'''AlexanderHamilton''', -->--'''UsefulNotes/AlexanderHamilton''', ''TheFederalistPapers'' No. 15
17th Nov '15 6:50:41 PM redandready45
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* We were all heroes, in spite of ourselves.

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* We ->We were all heroes, in spite of ourselves.
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* We were all heroes, in spite of ourselves.
-->-- '''Final Line''', ''VideoGame/IHaveNoMouthAndIMustScream''
3rd Nov '15 1:35:55 PM hamonrye
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->We are afraid of everything, brother, as all mortals are. And, we want everything. As if immortality is granted to us.
-->--'''Petr''', ''{{VideoGame/Pathologic}}''
5th Aug '15 7:28:46 AM NoxSky12599
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--> ''Yeah, they've had a couple of fights''.
--> ''Nobody's perfect, you see!''
--> ''[[FantasticAnthropologist Still, I say I'm born with the rights to study whatever I please!]]''

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--> -> ''Yeah, they've had a couple of fights''.
-->
fights''.\\
''Nobody's perfect, you see!''
-->
see!''\\
''[[FantasticAnthropologist Still, I say I'm born with the rights to study whatever I please!]]''


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->Using Chaotic means to fulfill Lawful obligations strikes me as fairly Neutral... I don't think my superiors would blink if I kicked your case over to the Neutral Good afterlife, but there's one factor preventing me: You're trying. You're '''trying''' to be Lawful Good. People forget how crucial it is to keep trying, even if they screw it up now and then. They figure that if they can't manage it perfectly every waking second, then they should just pick some other alignment because it'll be easier. But it's the struggle that matters. It's easy for a being of pure Law and Good to live up to these ideals, but you're a mortal. What matters is that when you blow it, you get back up on the horse and try again.
-->-- '''''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick''''', ''[[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0490.html "Final Review"]]''
6th Jul '15 8:55:28 AM Morgenthaler
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-->--'''AlexandreDumas''', ''Literature/TheCountOfMonteCristo''

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-->--'''AlexandreDumas''', -->--'''Creator/AlexandreDumas''', ''Literature/TheCountOfMonteCristo''



-->--'''Jor-El''', ''{{Film/Superman}}''

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-->--'''Jor-El''', ''{{Film/Superman}}''
''Film/SupermanTheMovie''



-->-- '''Professor Trevor 'Broom' Bruttenholm,''' ''Film/HellboyII: The Golden Army''

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-->-- '''Professor Trevor 'Broom' Bruttenholm,''' ''Film/HellboyII: The Golden Army''
''Film/HellboyIITheGoldenArmy''
17th Jun '15 3:25:08 PM johnnyfog
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->The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected. Even when the revolutionist might himself repent of his revolution, the traditionalist is already defending it as part of his tradition. Thus we have two great types -- the advanced person who rushes us into ruin, and the retrospective person who admires the ruins. He admires them especially by moonlight, not to say moonshine. Each new blunder of the progressive or prig becomes instantly a legend of immemorial antiquity for the snob. This is called the balance, or mutual check, in our Constitution.
-->-- '''Creator/GKChesterton'''

->...it is gratuitous to advise any human being to look out for himself. [[ShapedLikeItself You can be sure that he will.]] It is far more difficult to persuade him to help his neighbor to build a dam or to defend a town or to give food he has accumulated to the victims of a famine. But since we must live together, dependent upon one another for many things and services, altruism is necessary to survival. To get people to do needed things is the perennial hard task of government, not to mention of religion and philosophy. That it is right to help someone less fortunate is an idea which has figured in most systems of conduct since the beginning of the race. We often fail. That predatory demon 'I' is difficult to contain but until now we have all agreed that to help others is a right action.

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->The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected. Even when the revolutionist might himself repent of his revolution, the traditionalist is already defending it as part of his tradition. Thus we have two great types -- the advanced person who rushes us into ruin, and the retrospective person who admires the ruins. He admires them especially by moonlight, not to say moonshine. Each new blunder of the progressive or prig becomes instantly a legend of immemorial antiquity for the snob. This is called the balance, or mutual check, in our Constitution.
-->-- '''Creator/GKChesterton'''

->...it is gratuitous to advise any human being to look out for himself. [[ShapedLikeItself You can be sure that he will.]] It is far more difficult to persuade him to help his neighbor to build a dam or to defend a town or to give food he has accumulated to the victims of a famine. But since we must live together, dependent upon one another for many things and services, altruism is necessary to survival. To get people to do needed things is the perennial hard task of government, not to mention of religion and philosophy. That it is right to help someone less fortunate is an idea which has figured in most systems of conduct since the beginning of the race. We often fail. That predatory demon 'I' is difficult to contain but until now we have all agreed that to help others is a right action.



->This is, I think, '''the only scene where the Joker actually tells the truth''', and what he says is horrifying: 'They’re only as good as they’re allowed to be' That is, in the movie at least, a stone cold solid fact. Look at Gordon: He wasn’t a hero cop, he was a powerless man mired down by corruption. Look at Bruce: He wasn’t an agent of justice, he going to shoot Joe Chill in the head. The only thing that stopped Bruce was coincidence, and the only thing that helped Gordon was Bruce. So if people are only as good as the world lets them be, then it’s not just Batman’s job to punish the guilty, ''he has to make a world where people can be better''. Otherwise, they give in and throw morality aside. [[InTheirOwnImage They become the Joker.]]

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->This is, I think, '''the only scene where the Joker actually tells the truth''', and what he says is horrifying: 'They’re only as good as they’re allowed to be' That is, in the movie at least, a stone cold solid fact. Look ->Look at Gordon: He wasn’t a hero cop, he was a powerless man mired down by corruption. Look at Bruce: He wasn’t an agent of justice, he going to shoot Joe Chill in the head. The only thing that stopped Bruce was coincidence, and the only thing that helped Gordon was Bruce. So if people are only as good as the world lets them be, then it’s not just Batman’s job to punish the guilty, ''he has to make a world where people can be better''. Otherwise, they give in and throw morality aside. [[InTheirOwnImage They become the Joker.]]


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