History Quotes / AlanMoore

22nd Sep '17 11:26:52 AM JulianLapostat
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->''Tom Strong and the rest of the ABC bunch leave me cold for a lot of reasons. First--and I realize this is purely subjective, but what isn’t?--I find a smugness, a condescension that reads to me as nostalgia being done by someone who is not in the least bit nostalgic. Almost as if Moore sits down to write and flips his brain 180°, so he’s not really writing what he feels or what he likes, just the exact opposite of what he would usually write.''
-->-- '''Creator/JohnByrne'''
2nd Mar '17 3:40:30 PM JulianLapostat
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--> ''I do have a feeling, particularly in this last decade, that some of the appeal of superheroes that originated in America — who has done them better, with a few exceptions, than the rest of the world — has become symbolic of American impunity. You have to start wondering how brave somebody who comes from Krypton and is invulnerable to all harm, or someone who has an adamantium skeleton, can actually be. I know ordinary people who put far more than that on the line every day, and don’t expect to be called heroes. [Laughs] So is it heroes that we’re really talking about? Or is it invulnerable bullies from a culture of impunity, which also shows signs of being on the wane? That was a very big part of the first decade of the 21st century, from which I think we’re only just emerging and getting perspective on what it meant for us.''

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--> -> ''I do have a feeling, particularly in this last decade, that some of the appeal of superheroes that originated in America — who has done them better, with a few exceptions, than the rest of the world — has become symbolic of American impunity. You have to start wondering how brave somebody who comes from Krypton and is invulnerable to all harm, or someone who has an adamantium skeleton, can actually be. I know ordinary people who put far more than that on the line every day, and don’t expect to be called heroes. [Laughs] So is it heroes that we’re really talking about? Or is it invulnerable bullies from a culture of impunity, which also shows signs of being on the wane? That was a very big part of the first decade of the 21st century, from which I think we’re only just emerging and getting perspective on what it meant for us.''
2nd Mar '17 3:40:01 PM JulianLapostat
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-> ''Back in the 1960s (and yes, this worldview may have been caused by drugs or listening to ridiculous psychedelic lyrics or what have you), there was the feeling among young people that—particularly after [[Music/TheBeatles the Beatles]]-— a lot of things changed in British culture because here was a bunch of working-class youngsters from Liverpool who were nonetheless regarded as high culture. That changed everything. It made it seem as if there were potentially no limits, regardless of the heights, to which you might ascend. It seemed like there weren't these things holding you back anymore. If the Beatles could do it, then I'm sure a lot of other working-class creators thought, "Maybe I could do it?" There was that sense of there being no ceiling to the world back then. You could climb as high as you wanted on your own efforts. These days I get more of the impression that the ceiling is very evident and, instead, the impression I get is [[FromBadToWorse that there is no floor. There are no depths to which you might not descend that creates a kind of anxiety, a state of fear. How bad is this going to get?]] Is Donald Trump going to get elected? Oh my God, surely we haven't just exited Europe? All of these things. We have no idea how bad these things can get.''
-->-- '''Creator/AlanMoore''' [[http://www.worldliteraturetoday.org/blog/interviews/interior-human-head-infinite-conversation-alan-moore Rob Vollmar Interview]].


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-> ''Back in the 1960s (and yes, this worldview may have been caused by drugs or listening to ridiculous psychedelic lyrics or what have you), there was the feeling among young people that—particularly after [[Music/TheBeatles the Beatles]]-— a lot of things changed in British culture because here was a bunch of working-class youngsters from Liverpool who were nonetheless regarded as high culture. That changed everything. It made it seem as if there were potentially no limits, regardless of the heights, to which you might ascend. It seemed like there weren't these things holding you back anymore. If the Beatles could do it, then I'm sure a lot of other working-class creators thought, "Maybe I could do it?" There was that sense of there being no ceiling to the world back then. You could climb as high as you wanted on your own efforts. These days I get more of the impression that the ceiling is very evident and, instead, the impression I get is [[FromBadToWorse that there is no floor. There are no depths to which you might not descend that creates a kind of anxiety, a state of fear. How bad is this going to get?]] Is Donald Trump going to get elected? Oh my God, surely we haven't just exited Europe? All of these things. We have no idea how bad these things can get.''
-->-- '''Creator/AlanMoore''' [[http://www.worldliteraturetoday.org/blog/interviews/interior-human-head-infinite-conversation-alan-moore Rob Vollmar Interview]].
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--> ''I do have a feeling, particularly in this last decade, that some of the appeal of superheroes that originated in America — who has done them better, with a few exceptions, than the rest of the world — has become symbolic of American impunity. You have to start wondering how brave somebody who comes from Krypton and is invulnerable to all harm, or someone who has an adamantium skeleton, can actually be. I know ordinary people who put far more than that on the line every day, and don’t expect to be called heroes. [Laughs] So is it heroes that we’re really talking about? Or is it invulnerable bullies from a culture of impunity, which also shows signs of being on the wane? That was a very big part of the first decade of the 21st century, from which I think we’re only just emerging and getting perspective on what it meant for us.''
-->-- '''[[https://www.wired.com/2011/07/alan-moore-league-1969/ Alan Moore]]'''

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25th Feb '17 6:06:03 PM MeekGazelle
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-->--'''[[http://www.philipsandifer.com/2015/07/dead-kings-walking-underground-last-war.html Dr. Phil Sandifer]]''', ''The Last War in Albion''

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-->--'''[[http://www.philipsandifer.com/2015/07/dead-kings-walking-underground-last-war.html eruditorumpress.com/blog/dead-kings-walking-underground-the-last-war-in-albion-part-104-grant-morrisons-future-shocks/ Dr. Phil Sandifer]]''', ''The Last War in Albion''
6th Feb '17 11:23:07 AM Doug86
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-> ''Returning to the question, as to whether it is [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad ‘permissible’ for people of one kind to depict people or another]] ... I submit that if this restriction were universally adopted, we would have had no authors from middle-class backgrounds who were able to write about the situation of the lower classes, which would have effectively ruled out almost all authors since Creator/WilliamShakespeare (whose rarity as an example of a writer from an apparently [[SelfMadeMan working class background]] is attested by [[TakeThat the number of theoreticians from more elevated social groups]] who would have it [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare_authorship_question that his work could only possibly have been composed by a member of the aristocracy]]). While I might have winced on many occasions as a middle-class author such as Creator/MartinAmis presents his (at least to my mind) [[TakeThat lazy and offensive studies of a vulnerable underclass]], I would certainly hesitate before proposing any imposition of an ideology that would also exclude the works of Creator/CharlesDickens, Gerald Kersh or any of several hundred other fine writers. I understand that it may not be considered good form to suggest that class issues are as important as issues of race, gender or sexuality, despite the fact that from my own perspective they seem perhaps even more fundamental and crucially relevant. After all, while in the West after many years of arduous struggle we are now allowed to elect women, non-white people and even, surely at least in theory, people of openly alternative sexualities, [[WorkingClassHero I am relatively certain that we will never be allowed to elect a man or woman of any race or persuasion who is poor]].''

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-> ''Returning to the question, as to whether it is [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad ‘permissible’ 'permissible' for people of one kind to depict people or another]] ... I submit that if this restriction were universally adopted, we would have had no authors from middle-class backgrounds who were able to write about the situation of the lower classes, which would have effectively ruled out almost all authors since Creator/WilliamShakespeare (whose rarity as an example of a writer from an apparently [[SelfMadeMan working class background]] is attested by [[TakeThat the number of theoreticians from more elevated social groups]] who would have it [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare_authorship_question that his work could only possibly have been composed by a member of the aristocracy]]). While I might have winced on many occasions as a middle-class author such as Creator/MartinAmis presents his (at least to my mind) [[TakeThat lazy and offensive studies of a vulnerable underclass]], I would certainly hesitate before proposing any imposition of an ideology that would also exclude the works of Creator/CharlesDickens, Gerald Kersh or any of several hundred other fine writers. I understand that it may not be considered good form to suggest that class issues are as important as issues of race, gender or sexuality, despite the fact that from my own perspective they seem perhaps even more fundamental and crucially relevant. After all, while in the West after many years of arduous struggle we are now allowed to elect women, non-white people and even, surely at least in theory, people of openly alternative sexualities, [[WorkingClassHero I am relatively certain that we will never be allowed to elect a man or woman of any race or persuasion who is poor]].''



-> ''Back in the 1960s (and yes, this worldview may have been caused by drugs or listening to ridiculous psychedelic lyrics or what have you), there was the feeling among young people that—particularly after [[Music/TheBeatles the Beatles]]-— a lot of things changed in British culture because here was a bunch of working-class youngsters from Liverpool who were nonetheless regarded as high culture. That changed everything. It made it seem as if there were potentially no limits, regardless of the heights, to which you might ascend. It seemed like there weren’t these things holding you back anymore. If the Beatles could do it, then I’m sure a lot of other working-class creators thought, “Maybe I could do it?” There was that sense of there being no ceiling to the world back then. You could climb as high as you wanted on your own efforts. These days I get more of the impression that the ceiling is very evident and, instead, the impression I get is [[FromBadToWorse that there is no floor. There are no depths to which you might not descend that creates a kind of anxiety, a state of fear. How bad is this going to get?]] Is Donald Trump going to get elected? Oh my God, surely we haven’t just exited Europe? All of these things. We have no idea how bad these things can get.''

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-> ''Back in the 1960s (and yes, this worldview may have been caused by drugs or listening to ridiculous psychedelic lyrics or what have you), there was the feeling among young people that—particularly after [[Music/TheBeatles the Beatles]]-— a lot of things changed in British culture because here was a bunch of working-class youngsters from Liverpool who were nonetheless regarded as high culture. That changed everything. It made it seem as if there were potentially no limits, regardless of the heights, to which you might ascend. It seemed like there weren’t weren't these things holding you back anymore. If the Beatles could do it, then I’m I'm sure a lot of other working-class creators thought, “Maybe "Maybe I could do it?” it?" There was that sense of there being no ceiling to the world back then. You could climb as high as you wanted on your own efforts. These days I get more of the impression that the ceiling is very evident and, instead, the impression I get is [[FromBadToWorse that there is no floor. There are no depths to which you might not descend that creates a kind of anxiety, a state of fear. How bad is this going to get?]] Is Donald Trump going to get elected? Oh my God, surely we haven’t haven't just exited Europe? All of these things. We have no idea how bad these things can get.''



->''"Alan Moore is simply stating a fact when he says that today’s popular superheroes were not created for today’s audiences. Virtually all the mainstay DC heroes were created around 75 years ago, Marvel’s are 50 years old. The DC characters we’d think of as ‘newer’, like ComicBook/{{Lobo}}, ComicBook/{{Nightwing}}, and [[ComicBook/{{Hellblazer}} John Constantine]] are pushing thirty. Even Image and Dark Horse’s are over 20 years old at this point. You can see the glass half-full or half-empty here: at one level, it’s impressive that characters like Franchise/{{Batman}} have endured. And this isn’t something unique to comics: Franchise/SherlockHolmes, Franchise/JamesBond, and Franchise/DoctorWho were all created for previous generations. We’re also seeing confirmation bias at play: these are the characters who survived, and plenty of their contemporaries who were once household names have all but vanished."''

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->''"Alan Moore is simply stating a fact when he says that today’s today's popular superheroes were not created for today’s today's audiences. Virtually all the mainstay DC heroes were created around 75 years ago, Marvel’s Marvel's are 50 years old. The DC characters we’d we'd think of as ‘newer’, 'newer', like ComicBook/{{Lobo}}, SelfDemonstrating/{{Lobo}}, ComicBook/{{Nightwing}}, and [[ComicBook/{{Hellblazer}} John Constantine]] are pushing thirty. Even Image and Dark Horse’s Horse's are over 20 years old at this point. You can see the glass half-full or half-empty here: at one level, it’s it's impressive that characters like Franchise/{{Batman}} have endured. And this isn’t isn't something unique to comics: Franchise/SherlockHolmes, Franchise/JamesBond, and Franchise/DoctorWho Series/DoctorWho were all created for previous generations. We’re We're also seeing confirmation bias at play: these are the characters who survived, and plenty of their contemporaries who were once household names have all but vanished."''
18th Jan '17 9:11:12 PM JulianLapostat
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-> ''Back in the 1960s (and yes, this worldview may have been caused by drugs or listening to ridiculous psychedelic lyrics or what have you), there was the feeling among young people that—particularly after [[Music/TheBeatles the Beatles]]-— a lot of things changed in British culture because here was a bunch of working-class youngsters from Liverpool who were nonetheless regarded as high culture. That changed everything. It made it seem as if there were potentially no limits, regardless of the heights, to which you might ascend. It seemed like there weren’t these things holding you back anymore. If the Beatles could do it, then I’m sure a lot of other working-class creators thought, “Maybe I could do it?” There was that sense of there being no ceiling to the world back then. You could climb as high as you wanted on your own efforts. These days I get more of the impression that the ceiling is very evident and, instead, the impression I get is [[FromBadToWorse that there is no floor. There are no depths to which you might not descend that creates a kind of anxiety, a state of fear. How bad is this going to get?]] Is Donald Trump going to get elected? Oh my God, surely we haven’t just exited Europe? All of these things. We have no idea how bad these things can get.''
-->-- '''Creator/AlanMoore''' [[http://www.worldliteraturetoday.org/blog/interviews/interior-human-head-infinite-conversation-alan-moore Rob Vollmar Interview]].
16th Jan '17 1:30:04 PM CantNotLookAtThisSite
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--> '''Creator/AlanMoore''', [[SelfParody parodying himself]] and his [[TakeThat vocal]] [[WriterRevolt anti-corporate views]] on an episode of ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons''.

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--> -->-- '''Creator/AlanMoore''', [[SelfParody parodying himself]] and his [[TakeThat vocal]] [[WriterRevolt anti-corporate views]] on an episode of ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons''.
16th Jan '17 1:29:43 PM CantNotLookAtThisSite
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-> " With the benefit of hindsight and a greater understanding of anthropoid behavior patterns, science fiction author Creator/PhilipJoseFarmer was able to demonstrate quite credibly that the young ''Franchise/{{Tarzan}}'' would almost certainly have indulged in sexual experimentation with chimpanzees and that he would just surely have had none of the aversion to eating human flesh that Creator/EdgarRiceBurroughs attributed to him. As our political and social consciousness continues to evolve, ''[[Literature/KingSolomonsMines Allan Quartermain]]'' stands revealed as just another [[MightyWhitey white imperialist]] out to exploit the natives and we begin to see that the overriding factor in ''Franchise/JamesBond's'' psychological makeup is his utter hatred and contempt for women. Whether most of us would prefer to enjoy the above-mentioned gentlemen's adventures without spoiling things by considering the social implications is beside the point. The fact remains that [[SocietyMarchesOn we have changed, along with our society]], and that were such characters created today [[ValuesDissonance they would be subject to the most]] extreme suspicion and [[UnfortunateImplications criticism]]."

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-> " With ''With the benefit of hindsight and a greater understanding of anthropoid behavior patterns, science fiction author Creator/PhilipJoseFarmer was able to demonstrate quite credibly that the young ''Franchise/{{Tarzan}}'' would almost certainly have indulged in sexual experimentation with chimpanzees and that he would just surely have had none of the aversion to eating human flesh that Creator/EdgarRiceBurroughs attributed to him. As our political and social consciousness continues to evolve, ''[[Literature/KingSolomonsMines Allan Quartermain]]'' stands revealed as just another [[MightyWhitey white imperialist]] out to exploit the natives and we begin to see that the overriding factor in ''Franchise/JamesBond's'' psychological makeup is his utter hatred and contempt for women. Whether most of us would prefer to enjoy the above-mentioned gentlemen's adventures without spoiling things by considering the social implications is beside the point. The fact remains that [[SocietyMarchesOn we have changed, along with our society]], and that were such characters created today [[ValuesDissonance they would be subject to the most]] extreme suspicion and [[UnfortunateImplications criticism]]."''


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-> ''You see what those [[ExecutiveMeddling bloody corporations]] do? They take your ideas and they suck them! Suck them like leeches until they've gotten every last drop of marrow from your bones!''
--> '''Creator/AlanMoore''', [[SelfParody parodying himself]] and his [[TakeThat vocal]] [[WriterRevolt anti-corporate views]] on an episode of ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons''.
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1st Jan '17 9:58:22 PM RaisenRhaasen
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-> ''I got quite [[BrokenBase a bit of criticism for that]]. I know that people were saying after reading the third book, that it was my equivalent of saying,"[[NostalgiaFilter It were old fields around here once]]" which it wasn't, that wasn't what I was saying. What I was saying was that I don't think it was unfair to choose '''[Theatre/TheThreepennyOpera]''' as representing a big important cultural event of 1910. I don't think it was unfair choosing [[Film/{{Performance}} Donald Cammell's Performance]] as representing a big important cultural event in 1969 and I don't think it was unfair choosing Creator/JKRowling's '''Franchise/HarryPotter''' as representing a big cultural event in the early 21st Century. I would say that it you were to plot those things along the graph -- the line isn't going up. I think that it's a fair comment that our approach to culture -- in the mainstream -- has degenerated ... I wasn't saying that all culture in the late 21st Century was rubbish or I wasn't saying that culture was doomed. I was saying that mainstream culture [[FollowTheLeader was becoming repititive]], was not having original ideas, would no longer be capable of coming up with a '''Film/{{Performance}}''', leave alone a '''[[Theatre/TheThreepennyOpera Threepenny Opera]]'''.''

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-> ''I got quite [[BrokenBase a bit of criticism for that]]. I know that people were saying after reading the third book, that it was my equivalent of saying,"[[NostalgiaFilter It were old fields around here once]]" which it wasn't, that wasn't what I was saying. What I was saying was that I don't think it was unfair to choose '''[Theatre/TheThreepennyOpera]''' as representing a big important cultural event of 1910. I don't think it was unfair choosing [[Film/{{Performance}} Donald Cammell's Performance]] as representing a big important cultural event in 1969 and I don't think it was unfair choosing Creator/JKRowling's '''Franchise/HarryPotter''' as representing a big cultural event in the early 21st Century. I would say that it you were to plot those things along the graph -- the line isn't going up. I think that it's a fair comment that our approach to culture -- in the mainstream -- has degenerated ... I wasn't saying that all culture in the late 21st Century was rubbish or I wasn't saying that culture was doomed. I was saying that mainstream culture [[FollowTheLeader was becoming repititive]], repetitive]], was not having original ideas, would no longer be capable of coming up with a '''Film/{{Performance}}''', leave alone a '''[[Theatre/TheThreepennyOpera Threepenny Opera]]'''.''
29th Jun '16 4:01:39 PM Anddrix
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-> " With the benefit of hindsight and a greater understanding of anthropoid behavior patterns, science fiction author Creator/PhilipJoseFarmer was able to demonstrate quite credibly that the young ''Franchise/{{Tarzan}}'' would almost certainly have indulged in sexual experimentation with chimpanzees and that he would just surely have had none of the aversion to eating human flesh that Creator/EdgarRiceBurroughs attributed to him. As our political and social consciousness continues to evolve, ''[[Literature/KingSolomonsMines Allan Quartermain]]'' stands revealed as just another [[MightyWhitey white imperialist]] out to exploit the natives and we begin to see that the overriding factor in ''Franchise/JamesBond's'' psychological makeup is his utter hatred and contempt for women. Whether most of us would prefer to enjoy the above-mentioned gentlemen's adventures without spoiling things by considering the social implications is beside the point. The fact remains that [[SocietyMarchesOn we have changed, along with our society]], and that were such characters created today [[ValuesDissonance they would be subject to the most]] extreme [[BaseBreaker suspicion]] and [[UnfortunateImplications criticism]]."

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-> " With the benefit of hindsight and a greater understanding of anthropoid behavior patterns, science fiction author Creator/PhilipJoseFarmer was able to demonstrate quite credibly that the young ''Franchise/{{Tarzan}}'' would almost certainly have indulged in sexual experimentation with chimpanzees and that he would just surely have had none of the aversion to eating human flesh that Creator/EdgarRiceBurroughs attributed to him. As our political and social consciousness continues to evolve, ''[[Literature/KingSolomonsMines Allan Quartermain]]'' stands revealed as just another [[MightyWhitey white imperialist]] out to exploit the natives and we begin to see that the overriding factor in ''Franchise/JamesBond's'' psychological makeup is his utter hatred and contempt for women. Whether most of us would prefer to enjoy the above-mentioned gentlemen's adventures without spoiling things by considering the social implications is beside the point. The fact remains that [[SocietyMarchesOn we have changed, along with our society]], and that were such characters created today [[ValuesDissonance they would be subject to the most]] extreme [[BaseBreaker suspicion]] suspicion and [[UnfortunateImplications criticism]]."
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