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* UndignifiedDeath: Elvis, most definitely.
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** In the Music/ElvisPresley episodes [[note]] although only mentioned once in the song, it was felt that he warranted a double episode [[/note]], expert guest Sally Hoedel takes down several of these that relate to Elvis, explaining that stories of his drug dependency originate in his taking prescription medication for long-term health issues, while also explaining the story behind the [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fool%27s_Gold_Loaf Fool's Gold Loaf]]; the log kept by his personal pilot indicates that, contrary to popular belief, he did not fly to Denver just so he could eat this rather calorific sandwich.
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** In the Music/ElvisPresley episodes [[note]] although only mentioned once in the song, it was felt that he warranted a double episode [[/note]], expert guest Sally Hoedel takes down several of these that relate to Elvis, explaining Elvis. She takes some time to explain that stories of his drug dependency originate originated in his taking prescription medication for long-term health issues, while also explaining in addition to which she explains the story behind the [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fool%27s_Gold_Loaf Fool's Gold Loaf]]; the log kept by his personal pilot indicates that, contrary to popular belief, he did not fly to Denver just so he could eat this rather calorific sandwich.
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* UrbanLegends: Occasionally discussed. For example, in the Juan Perón episode, Katie brings up some stories about what happened to [[UsefulNotes/EvaPeron Eva Perón's]] body after her death; the reaction of the expert (a university lecturer who is not just a specialist in Argentinian political history, but actually from Argentina) suggests that those stories are an example of this.
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* UrbanLegends: Occasionally discussed. For example, in
** In the Juan Perón episode, Katie brings up some stories about what happened to [[UsefulNotes/EvaPeron Eva Perón's]] body after her death; the reaction of the expert (a university lecturer who is not just a specialist in Argentinian political history, but actually from Argentina) suggests that those stories are an example ofthis.this.
** In the Music/ElvisPresley episodes [[note]] although only mentioned once in the song, it was felt that he warranted a double episode [[/note]], expert guest Sally Hoedel takes down several of these that relate to Elvis, explaining that stories of his drug dependency originate in his taking prescription medication for long-term health issues, while also explaining the story behind the [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fool%27s_Gold_Loaf Fool's Gold Loaf]]; the log kept by his personal pilot indicates that, contrary to popular belief, he did not fly to Denver just so he could eat this rather calorific sandwich.
** In the Juan Perón episode, Katie brings up some stories about what happened to [[UsefulNotes/EvaPeron Eva Perón's]] body after her death; the reaction of the expert (a university lecturer who is not just a specialist in Argentinian political history, but actually from Argentina) suggests that those stories are an example of
** In the Music/ElvisPresley episodes [[note]] although only mentioned once in the song, it was felt that he warranted a double episode [[/note]], expert guest Sally Hoedel takes down several of these that relate to Elvis, explaining that stories of his drug dependency originate in his taking prescription medication for long-term health issues, while also explaining the story behind the [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fool%27s_Gold_Loaf Fool's Gold Loaf]]; the log kept by his personal pilot indicates that, contrary to popular belief, he did not fly to Denver just so he could eat this rather calorific sandwich.
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* {{Crossover}}: Occasionally discussed in relation to the cover of ''Music/SgtPeppersLonelyHeartsClubBand'' and the Music/{{Madonna}} song "Vogue", as some of the subjects covered by "We Didn't Start the Fire" also appear in one or the other of these. Creator/MarilynMonoe and Creator/MarlonBrando are the only people to be in all three.
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* {{Crossover}}: Occasionally discussed in relation to the cover of ''Music/SgtPeppersLonelyHeartsClubBand'' and the Music/{{Madonna}} song "Vogue", as some of the subjects covered by "We Didn't Start the Fire" also appear in one or the other of these. Creator/MarilynMonoe Creator/MarilynMonroe and Creator/MarlonBrando are the only people to be in all three.
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* MethodActing: Discussed, especially in relation to Creator/MarlonBrando and Creator/JamesDean
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* MethodActing: Discussed, especially in relation to Creator/MarlonBrando and Creator/JamesDean Creator/JamesDean.
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* TongueTwister: "Dien Bien Phu falls". Also, Polyethylene terephthalate -- which, thankfully, is known commercially in the US as Dacron.
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* UnderdogsNeverLose: Discussed when they get to "Brooklyn's got a winning team", given that the Brooklyn Dodgers, the baseball team Billy supported as a kid, were in fact quite successful -- they made it to the World Series five times in the fourteen years before they actually won it. They just suffered in comparison to their (much) more successful neighbours, the New York Yankees -- who beat them in all five of those World Series before the Dodgers finally beat them in 1955.
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* Crossover: Discussed in relation to the cover of ''Music/SgtPeppersLonelyHeartsClubBand'' and the Music/{{Madonna}} song "Vogue", as some of the subjects appear in one or the other of these (or both in the case of Creator/JamesDean).
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* Crossover: Discussed {{Crossover}}: Occasionally discussed in relation to the cover of ''Music/SgtPeppersLonelyHeartsClubBand'' and the Music/{{Madonna}} song "Vogue", as some of the subjects covered by "We Didn't Start the Fire" also appear in one or the other of these (or both in these. Creator/MarilynMonoe and Creator/MarlonBrando are the case of Creator/JamesDean).only people to be in all three.
* MethodActing: Discussed, especially in relation to Creator/MarlonBrando and Creator/JamesDean
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** The first one to make [[RuleOfThree three]] appearances is Cara Rodway, an expert on US cultural history who discusses ''Theatre/SouthPacific'', ''Theatre/TheKingAndI'' and [[TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheOthers Dacron]].
* RhymesOnADime: Katie and Tom theorise that Billy included ''Theatre/TheKingAndI'' in the song because he wanted something to rhyme with ''Literature/TheCatcherInTheRye''.
* RhymesOnADime: Katie and Tom theorise that Billy included ''Theatre/TheKingAndI'' in the song because he wanted something to rhyme with ''Literature/TheCatcherInTheRye''.
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** The first one to make [[RuleOfThree three]] appearances is Cara Rodway, an expert on US cultural history who discusses ''Theatre/SouthPacific'', ''Theatre/TheKingAndI'' and [[TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheOthers and, err, [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyethylene_terephthalate Dacron]].
* RhymesOnADime: Katie and Tom theorise that Billy included ''Theatre/TheKingAndI'' in the song because he wanted something to rhyme with ''Literature/TheCatcherInTheRye''. Billy later states that he included Roy Cohn because he wanted something to rhyme with Dacron.
* RhymesOnADime: Katie and Tom theorise that Billy included ''Theatre/TheKingAndI'' in the song because he wanted something to rhyme with ''Literature/TheCatcherInTheRye''. Billy later states that he included Roy Cohn because he wanted something to rhyme with Dacron.
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* BaseballEpisode: Several, given that the song has quite a few references to baseball (Joe [=DiMaggio=], "Brooklyn's got a winning team", etc). Despite being American, Katie is unimpressed with the emphasis on "sportsball", in contrast to Tom who, while being British (and therefore someone who dud not grow up with baseball), is a sports journalist by profession.
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* BaseballEpisode: Several, given that the song has quite a few references to baseball (Joe [=DiMaggio=], "Brooklyn's got a winning team", etc). Despite being American, Katie is unimpressed with the emphasis on "sportsball", in contrast to whereas Tom who, while being British (and therefore someone who dud not grow up with baseball), is -- a sports journalist by profession.profession -- rather likes these references even though he, being British, knew little of the sport while growing up.
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* CoolCar: The Studebaker Avanti.
* CoverVersion: The theme tune is a kazoo version of the song the podcast is named after.
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* CoolCar: The Studebaker Avanti. Billy later revealed that he included Studebaker in the song purely because of this trope.
* CoverVersion: The theme tune is a kazoo version of the song the podcast is namedafter.after, performed by Katie and Tom. Who sing parts of the song at the start of each episode, alternating with each subject.
* Crossover: Discussed in relation to the cover of ''Music/SgtPeppersLonelyHeartsClubBand'' and the Music/{{Madonna}} song "Vogue", as some of the subjects appear in one or the other of these (or both in the case of Creator/JamesDean).
* CoverVersion: The theme tune is a kazoo version of the song the podcast is named
* Crossover: Discussed in relation to the cover of ''Music/SgtPeppersLonelyHeartsClubBand'' and the Music/{{Madonna}} song "Vogue", as some of the subjects appear in one or the other of these (or both in the case of Creator/JamesDean).
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* BaseballEpisode: Several, given that the song has quite a few references to baseball (Joe [=DiMaggio=], "Brooklyn's got a winning team", etc).
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* BaseballEpisode: Several, given that the song has quite a few references to baseball (Joe [=DiMaggio=], "Brooklyn's got a winning team", etc). Despite being American, Katie is unimpressed with the emphasis on "sportsball", in contrast to Tom who, while being British (and therefore someone who dud not grow up with baseball), is a sports journalist by profession.
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* CelebrityCrush: Katie definitely has a thing about Creator/JamesDean.
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: In-universe; the Doris Day episode includes a discussion of this in relation to ''Film/TheGraduate'' and ''Film/TheSoundOfMusic'', both of which could have starred Doris Day. It gets ''really'' dark when Tamar Jeffers-[=McDonald=] (that episode's SpecialGuest) reveals a RealLife example of this to a clearly surprised Katie and Tom -- Doris Day's son, music producer Terry Melcher, was reckoned to have been the intended victim of UsefulNotes/CharlesManson and his followers (Manson having auditioned for Melcher, who rejected him), and had actually lived in the house on Cielo Drive prior to Creator/RomanPolanski and Creator/SharonTate [[note]] whether or not Manson knew that he'd moved out when he sent his followers to kill the occupants has been a matter of conjecture ever since [[/note]].
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: In-universe; the Doris Day episode includes a discussion of this in relation to ''Film/TheGraduate'' and ''Film/TheSoundOfMusic'', both of which could have starred Doris Day. It gets ''really'' dark when Tamar Jeffers-[=McDonald=] (that episode's SpecialGuest) reveals a RealLife example of this to a clearly surprised Katie and Tom -- Doris Day's son, music producer Terry Melcher, was reckoned to have been the intended victim of UsefulNotes/CharlesManson and his followers (Manson having auditioned for Melcher, who rejected him), and had actually lived in the house on Cielo Drive prior to Creator/RomanPolanski and Creator/SharonTate [[note]] whether or not Manson knew that he'd moved out when he sent his followers to kill the occupants has been a matter of conjecture ever since [[/note]].[[/note]].
* WordOfGod: In-universe; the fortieth episode takes a break from the usual format for an interview with Billy himself, who explains his thinking behind some of the people/events/things he included in the song. Studebaker got in there because he thought they were [[CoolCar cool]] when he was a kid (while his parents didn't have one, a neighbour did), while the member of the Rockefeller family he was thinking of was [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Rockefeller Nelson]], not [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winthrop_Rockefeller Winthrop]] who was the one Katie and Tom made the subject of the thirty-second episode. They subsequently reflect that Nelson should've been the obvious choice, as he was governor of the state Billy's from (New York).
* WordOfGod: In-universe; the fortieth episode takes a break from the usual format for an interview with Billy himself, who explains his thinking behind some of the people/events/things he included in the song. Studebaker got in there because he thought they were [[CoolCar cool]] when he was a kid (while his parents didn't have one, a neighbour did), while the member of the Rockefeller family he was thinking of was [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Rockefeller Nelson]], not [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winthrop_Rockefeller Winthrop]] who was the one Katie and Tom made the subject of the thirty-second episode. They subsequently reflect that Nelson should've been the obvious choice, as he was governor of the state Billy's from (New York).
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''We Didn't Start the Fire'' is a modern history [[{{Podcast}} podcast]] produced by Crowd Network that ran for 123 weekly episodes between January 2021 and June 2023. Presented by American broadcaster Katie Puckrik and British sportswriter Tom Fordyce (formerly of ''Podcast/ThatPeterCrouchPodcast''), its premise is that it takes an episode to explain each of the people, places, events and other things mentioned in Music/BillyJoel's 1989 hit "We Didn't Start the Fire" (hence the name). In order.
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''We Didn't Start the Fire'' is a modern history [[{{Podcast}} podcast]] produced by Crowd Network that ran for 123 weekly episodes between January 2021 and June 2023. Presented by American broadcaster Katie Puckrik and British sportswriter Tom Fordyce (formerly (one of the other guys from ''Podcast/ThatPeterCrouchPodcast''), its premise is that it takes an episode to explain each of the people, places, events and other things mentioned in Music/BillyJoel's 1989 hit "We Didn't Start the Fire" (hence the name). In order.
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* TheAce: Plenty — Joe [=DiMaggio=], Rocky Marciano, Music/{{Liberace}}, etc.
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-->'''Tom''': Mass-murderers aside, he might well be the biggest bastard in the song.
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** The first one to make [[RuleOfThree three]] appearances is Cara Rodway, an expert on US cultural history who discusses ''Music/SouthPacific'', ''Theatre/TheKingAndI'' and [[TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheOthers Dacron]].
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** The first one to make [[RuleOfThree three]] appearances is Cara Rodway, an expert on US cultural history who discusses ''Music/SouthPacific'', ''Theatre/SouthPacific'', ''Theatre/TheKingAndI'' and [[TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheOthers Dacron]].
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* TransparentCloset: Discussed, especially in the episode on Music/{{Liberace}}, and to a lesser extent in the one on Roy Cohn.
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