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** Men-Tor's tactics, and the fact he just keeps on going if his students are slow learners even if it is clear that they are never going to learn this way, are considered abuse and he is classified as a [[SadistTeacher sadist]].
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** The walls have ears, but not eyes, so this way he can be (somewhat) sure only his students can decode his teachings.
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** Men-Tor isn't actually trying to be tricky. He retired due to brain damage and thus [[CloudCuckoolander winds up accidentally saying things wrong]] and not realizing it, resulting in things like his students 'cheating' after being instructed to [[WithThisHerring cut down a tree with a herring]] and using a saw. He had meant to say saw in the first place.
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** The FiveManBand know Men-Tor is a TricksterMentor, so they pretend to be confused by his riddles in order to get him to train them in the skills they need.
** TheHero desperately needs a competent mentor and knows about the trope, so when forced to choose between the plain speaking and straightforward Sen-Sei and the riddle-loving Men-Tor, he consciously chooses to latter.
** The FiveManBand know Men-Tor is a TricksterMentor, so they pretend to be confused by his riddles in order to get him to train them in the skills they need.
** TheHero desperately needs a competent mentor and knows about the trope, so when forced to choose between the plain speaking and straightforward Sen-Sei and the riddle-loving Men-Tor, he consciously chooses to latter.
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** "Aw hell, I don't like coming up with explanations. How about we make the mentor give these really vague riddles, and then the fandom will guess as to the meanings? [[SureWhyNot Then we run with it and act like we meant that all along.]]"
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** "Aw hell, I don't like coming up with explanations. How about we make the mentor give these really vague riddles, and then the fandom will guess as to the meanings? [[SureWhyNot [[SureLetsGoWithThat Then we run with it and act like we meant that all along.]]"
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* '''Downplayed''': The students just shrug it off as expected behaviour for a mentor.
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* '''Downplayed''': The students just shrug it off as expected behaviour for Men-tor is generally a mentor.straightforward teacher, but laces his training with riddles that must be understood to get the most out of it.
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* '''Parodied''': Men-Tor doesn't actually know what he's talking about - he later admits that he makes up silly riddles to sound wiser than he really is... HOWEVER, his students ''always'' manage to learn a valuable (yet [[AccidentalAesop unintentional) lesson]] the process!
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* '''Parodied''': Men-Tor doesn't actually know what he's talking about - he later admits that he makes up silly riddles to sound wiser than he really is... HOWEVER, his students ''always'' manage to learn a valuable (yet [[AccidentalAesop unintentional) lesson]] on the process!
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* '''Downplayed''': ???The students just shrug it off as expected behaviour for a mentor.
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* '''Justified''': He's there to train their minds as much as their bodies.
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** He's there to train their minds as much as their bodies.
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** He's there to train their minds as much as their bodies.
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* '''Parodied''': Men-Tor doesn't actually know what he's talking about - he later admits that he makes up silly riddles to sound wiser than he really is.
* '''Deconstructed''': Men-Tor's reliance on riddles drives away his students, as they dislike having to decode everything he's telling them.
** Due to Men-Tor's misinterpreted instructions, lack of guidance, or questionable teaching methods, several of his students get badly hurt or die.
* '''Reconstructed''': The FiveManBand calls him on it - and it's revealed that not only did they have to solve the riddle, but they needed to have the appropriate reaction to be his students.
* '''Deconstructed''': Men-Tor's reliance on riddles drives away his students, as they dislike having to decode everything he's telling them.
** Due to Men-Tor's misinterpreted instructions, lack of guidance, or questionable teaching methods, several of his students get badly hurt or die.
* '''Reconstructed''': The FiveManBand calls him on it - and it's revealed that not only did they have to solve the riddle, but they needed to have the appropriate reaction to be his students.
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* '''Parodied''': Men-Tor doesn't actually know what he's talking about - he later admits that he makes up silly riddles to sound wiser than he really is.
* '''Deconstructed''': Men-Tor's reliance on riddles drives away his students, as they dislike having to decode everything he's telling them.
** Due to Men-Tor's misinterpreted instructions, lack of guidance, or questionable teaching methods, several ofis... HOWEVER, his students get badly hurt or die.
* '''Reconstructed''': The FiveManBand calls him on it - and it's revealed that not only did they have''always'' manage to solve learn a valuable (yet [[AccidentalAesop unintentional) lesson]] the riddle, but they needed to have the appropriate reaction to be his students.process!
* '''Deconstructed''': Men-Tor's reliance on riddles drives away his students, as they dislike having to decode everything he's telling them.
** Due to Men-Tor's misinterpreted instructions, lack of guidance, or questionable teaching methods, several of
* '''Reconstructed''': The FiveManBand calls him on it - and it's revealed that not only did they have
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* '''Enforced''': "We've got to pad this story arc out to the number of episodes we want...so how about we make it to where they have to spend a few episodes decoding their mentor's instructions?"
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* '''Enforced''': '''Enforced''':
** "We've got to pad this story arc out to the number of episodes we want...so how about we make it to where they have to spend a few episodes decoding their mentor's instructions?"
** "We've got to pad this story arc out to the number of episodes we want...so how about we make it to where they have to spend a few episodes decoding their mentor's instructions?"
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** Men-Tor's reliance on riddles drives away his students, as they dislike having to decode everything he's telling them.
** Due to Men-Tor's misinterpreted instructions, lack of guidance, or questionable teaching methods, several of his students get badly hurt or die.
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** Men-Tor's reliance on riddles drives away his students, as they dislike having to decode everything he's telling them.
** Due to Men-Tor's misinterpreted instructions, lack of guidance, or questionable teaching methods, several of his students get badly hurt or die.
* '''Reconstructed''': The FiveManBand calls him on it - and it's revealed that not only did they have to solve the riddle, but they needed to have the appropriate reaction to be his students.
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** Due to Men-Tor's misinterpreted instructions, lack of guidance, or questionable teaching methods, several of his students get badly hurt or die.
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"I like Sen-Sei's teaching. He's not like my old teacher Men-Tor who spoke in riddles all the time."
* '''Conversed''':???"You ever notice how mentor figures in the movies can never give a straight answer to anything?"
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'''Defied''': TheHero of the FiveManBand tells Men-Tor that no riddles will be tolerated.
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*'''Invoked''':*Men-tor decides to start speaking in riddles, as he believes only those who are tolerant enough to withstand his riddles are worthy of his knowledge.
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'''Defied''': TheHero of the FiveManBand tells Men-Tor that no riddles will be tolerated.
