History PlayingWith / MarySueTopia

6th May '15 1:50:22 AM Kollega
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* '''Reconstructed''': They have a strong military, just in case.

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* '''Reconstructed''': They have a strong military, just in case.military protecting their ideals, because one of the central tenets of their utopia is [[AvertedTrope remembering]] [[HistoryRepeats the lessons of the past]]. The irony of a perfect communist state having to have a huge army to defend itself is not lost on the viewers.
18th Nov '14 11:53:50 AM TrickyTroper
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** The communist utopian society exists in an alien culture that has no concept of self, like a hivemind.



** The communist utopian society exists in an alien culture that has no concept of self, like a hivemind.



* '''Played For Laughs''': The logic flaws are obvious to the reader, but the characters do not notice them.



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31st Oct '14 8:47:22 AM TrickyTroper
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* '''Downplayed''': The story's society is a non-oppressive communist state that works because [[AppliedPhlebotinum technology has advanced to the point that no one has to do jobs they hate or go hungry]].

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* '''Downplayed''': '''Downplayed''':
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The story's society is a non-oppressive communist state that works because [[AppliedPhlebotinum technology has advanced to the point that no one has to do jobs they hate or go hungry]].hungry]].
** The communist utopian society works thanks to centuries of sociological conditioning and the only people allowed to live there are those who are deemed suitable after psychological screening.
** Tropeland is not a {{utopia}}, but is a much nicer place to be than any real society (past or present) and has [[DanBrowned minor but obvious logic flaws]].



** The communist utopian society works thanks to centuries of sociological conditioning and only those people are allowed to live there who are deemed suitable after excessive psychological screening.



** In-Universe, scientists tried to engineer a perfect, flawless human being, but the end result was a bunch of human-like creatures that were still flawed, but insisted they were so perfect they were insufferable to be around. They couldn't be killed, so instead they were exiled to some isolated island, where the Mary Sues eventually built a perfect-yet-flawed city.

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** In-Universe, InUniverse, scientists tried to engineer a perfect, flawless human being, but the end result was a bunch of human-like creatures that were still flawed, but insisted they were so perfect they were insufferable to be around. They couldn't be killed, so instead they were exiled to some isolated island, where the Mary Sues eventually built a perfect-yet-flawed city.



* '''Subverted''': The scenario first looks like a communist state which works perfectly despite no sign of visible control or suppression. But then someone does object, which gets immediately noticed by the invisible surveillance and the dissident is discreetly dragged to {{Room 101}} without anyone noticing.
* '''Double Subverted''': The dissident's treatment in {{Room 101}} means that he sits down on a comfortable couch and is treated to cake and coffee while a friendly man discusses with him the theory of communism. He is persuaded immediately and decides to becomes the perfect citizen out of his own free will.
* '''Parodied''': The Mary Suetopia is a "Potemkin Village" set up to impress tourists and is obviously fake.
* '''Zig Zagged''': [Continued from Doubly Subverted] The cake and coffee have a mind-control drug and it wasn't his free will to be a good Communist after all.
* '''Averted''': The story takes place in a society which admits that it isn't perfect but still generally a good place to live in.

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* '''Subverted''': '''Subverted''':
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The scenario first looks like a communist state which works perfectly despite no sign of visible control or suppression. But then someone does object, which gets immediately noticed by the invisible surveillance and the dissident is discreetly dragged to {{Room 101}} without anyone noticing.
** A WellIntentionedExtremist tries to create a perfect communist utopia but fails miserably because [[HumansAreBastards humans are inherently lazy and greedy]].
* '''Double Subverted''': Subverted''':
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The dissident's treatment in {{Room 101}} means that he sits down on a comfortable couch and is treated to cake and coffee while a friendly man discusses with him the theory of communism. He is persuaded immediately and decides to becomes the perfect citizen out of his own free will.
** The communist utopia fails at first due to various issues but then the creator proposes [[ScienceHero scientific]] solutions - which in real world would bring their own issues.
* '''Parodied''': '''Parodied''':
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The Mary Suetopia is a "Potemkin Village" set up to impress tourists and is obviously fake.
** It is populated entirely by {{Mary Sue}}s.
* '''Zig Zagged''': [Continued from Doubly Subverted] The cake and coffee have a mind-control drug and drug, so it wasn't his free will to be a good Communist communist after all.
* '''Averted''': '''Averted''':
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The story takes place in a realistic society which admits that it isn't perfect perfect, but is still generally a good place to live in.in.
** The story takes place in a fairly realistic {{dystopia}}.



* '''Lampshaded''': "We live in the best possible society in the best of all possible worlds!"

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* '''Lampshaded''': "We live in the best possible society in the best of all possible worlds!"worlds! [[MindScrew Screw logic!]]"



* '''Exploited''': Since the citizens live in a perfect, communist state with no wars, their military is weak and they are easily overthrown by revolutionaries.

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* '''Exploited''': Since Everyone enjoys life in the citizens live in a perfect, communist state with no wars, their military is weak and they are easily overthrown by revolutionaries.non-oppressive state.



* '''Discussed''': "I can't wait to move out of this capitalist hellhole and live in that perfect communist utopia."

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* '''Discussed''': "I can't wait to move out of this capitalist hellhole and live in that perfect communist utopia." "I don't think such a place exists, or is even possible."



* '''Deconstructed''': A WellIntentionedExtremist tries to create a perfect communist utopia but fails miserably because [[HumansAreBastards humans are inherently lazy and greedy]].
* '''Reconstructed''': The communist utopia fails at first due to various issues but then the creator proposes [[ScienceHero scientific]] solutions - which in real world would bring their own issues.
* '''Plotted A Good Waste''': There are some [[PoweredByAForsakenChild disquietingly]] [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill dark]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist methods]] used to keep the utopia working, and it is left to the reader to decide if the utopia would be worth the price.

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* '''Deconstructed''': A WellIntentionedExtremist tries to create '''Implied''': "They must be better off in Tropeland than we are here." "That's impossible. I heard Tropeland was a perfect communist utopia but fails miserably because [[HumansAreBastards humans are inherently lazy and greedy]].
* '''Reconstructed''': The communist utopia fails at first due to various issues but then the creator proposes [[ScienceHero scientific]] solutions - which in real world would bring their own issues.
state. There's no way it's better."
* '''Plotted A Good Waste''': The writer is quite knowledgeable when it comes to communism.
* '''Deconstructed''': Since the citizens live in a perfect, communist state with no wars, their military is weak and they are easily overthrown by revolutionaries.
* '''Reconstructed''': They have a strong military, just in case.
* '''Played For Drama''':
There are some [[PoweredByAForsakenChild disquietingly]] [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill dark]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist methods]] used to keep the utopia working, and it is left to the reader to decide if the utopia would be worth the price.



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17th Jul '14 4:13:10 PM TrickyTroper
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* '''Conversed''': "I'd love to live in a land like that, but I don't think one would have a chance to exist..."

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* '''Conversed''': "I'd love to live in a land like that, the one on this show, but I don't think one would have a chance to exist..."
8th Jul '13 9:14:13 PM JIKTV
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* '''Inverted''': A StrawDystopia - The author attempts to create the worst society he can imagine, but the result would [[DystopiaIsHard collapse under its own weight]] in real life.

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* '''Inverted''': A StrawDystopia Straw Dystopia - The author attempts to create the worst society he can imagine, but the result would [[DystopiaIsHard collapse under its own weight]] in real life.
13th Mar '13 1:31:06 PM shadowcreator
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* '''Exploited''': ???

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* '''Exploited''': ???Since the citizens live in a perfect, communist state with no wars, their military is weak and they are easily overthrown by revolutionaries.
26th Jan '13 7:33:05 AM SKJAM
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* '''Downplayed''': ???

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* '''Downplayed''': ???The story's society is a non-oppressive communist state that works because [[AppliedPhlebotinum technology has advanced to the point that no one has to do jobs they hate or go hungry]].



** The balance is basically razor's edge, people conditioned to still people, but also have the mindset to make the utopia work, and as such is carefully pruned.

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** The balance is basically razor's edge, people conditioned to still be people, but also have the mindset to make the utopia work, and as such is are carefully pruned.



* '''Subverted''': The scenario first looks like a communist state which works perfectly despite no sign of visible control or suppression. But then someone does defect which gets immediately noticed by the invisible surveillance and the dissident is discreetly dragged to {{Room 101}} without anyone noticing.
* '''Double Subverted''': The dissidents treatment in {{Room 101}} means that he sits down on a comfortable couch and is treated cake and coffee while a friendly man discusses with him the theory of communism. He is persuaded immediately and decides to becomes the perfect citizen out of his own free will.
* '''Parodied''': ???
* '''Zig Zagged''': [Continued from Doubly Subverted] The cake and coffee has a mind-control drug and it wasn't his free will to be a good Communist after all.

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* '''Subverted''': The scenario first looks like a communist state which works perfectly despite no sign of visible control or suppression. But then someone does defect object, which gets immediately noticed by the invisible surveillance and the dissident is discreetly dragged to {{Room 101}} without anyone noticing.
* '''Double Subverted''': The dissidents dissident's treatment in {{Room 101}} means that he sits down on a comfortable couch and is treated to cake and coffee while a friendly man discusses with him the theory of communism. He is persuaded immediately and decides to becomes the perfect citizen out of his own free will.
* '''Parodied''': ???
The Mary Suetopia is a "Potemkin Village" set up to impress tourists and is obviously fake.
* '''Zig Zagged''': [Continued from Doubly Subverted] The cake and coffee has have a mind-control drug and it wasn't his free will to be a good Communist after all.



* '''Lampshaded''': ???

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* '''Lampshaded''': ???"We live in the best possible society in the best of all possible worlds!"



* '''Defied''': A character suggests to create a communist state, but others immediately point out why every communist state before failed miserably.

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* '''Defied''': A character suggests to create creating a communist state, but others immediately point out why every communist state before failed miserably.
1st Jan '13 10:04:08 PM VPhantom
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* '''Parodied''': ???
1st Jan '13 10:03:32 PM VPhantom
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'''Basic Trope''': A utopian society which seems like a good model to the author but would have fundamental logic flaws in reality.

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'''Basic Trope''': A An utopian society which seems like a good model to the author but would have fundamental logic flaws in reality.



* '''Downplayed''': ???



** The balance is basially razor's edge, people conditioned to still people, but also have the mindset to make the utpoia work, and as such is carefully pruned.

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** The balance is basially basically razor's edge, people conditioned to still people, but also have the mindset to make the utpoia utopia work, and as such is carefully pruned.



* '''Inverted:''' A StrawDystopia - The author attempts to create the worst society he can imagine, but the result would [[DystopiaIsHard collapse under its own weight]] in real life.
* '''Subverted:''' The scenario first looks like a communist state which works perfectly despite no sign of visible control or suppression. But then someone does defect which gets immediately noticed by the invisible surveillance and the dissident is discreetly dragged to {{Room 101}} without anyone noticing.
* '''Doubly Subverted:''' The dissidents treatment in {{Room 101}} means that he sits down on a comfortable couch and is treated cake and coffee while a friendly man discusses with him the theory of communism. He is persuaded immediately and decides to becomes the perfect citizen out of his own free will.
* '''Triple Subverted:''' The cake and coffee has a mind-control drug and it wasn't his free will to be a good Communist after all.
* '''Deconstructed:''' A WellIntentionedExtremist tries to create a perfect communist utopia but fails miserably because [[HumansAreBastards humans are inheritely lazy and greedy]].
* '''Reconstructed:''' The communist utopia fails at first due to various issues but then the creator proposes [[ScienceHero scientific]] solutions - which in real world would bring their own issues.
* '''Enforced:''' The story was written as part of a communist propaganda campaign.
* '''Averted:''' The story takes place in a society which admits that it isn't perfect but still generally a good place to live in.
* '''Invoked:''' A character looks to defeat TheEvilsOfFreeWill in order to build a communist utopia.
* '''Defied:''' A character suggests to create a communist state, but others immediately point out why every communist state before failed miserably.

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* '''Inverted:''' '''Inverted''': A StrawDystopia - The author attempts to create the worst society he can imagine, but the result would [[DystopiaIsHard collapse under its own weight]] in real life.
* '''Subverted:''' '''Subverted''': The scenario first looks like a communist state which works perfectly despite no sign of visible control or suppression. But then someone does defect which gets immediately noticed by the invisible surveillance and the dissident is discreetly dragged to {{Room 101}} without anyone noticing.
* '''Doubly Subverted:''' '''Double Subverted''': The dissidents treatment in {{Room 101}} means that he sits down on a comfortable couch and is treated cake and coffee while a friendly man discusses with him the theory of communism. He is persuaded immediately and decides to becomes the perfect citizen out of his own free will.
* '''Triple Subverted:''' '''Zig Zagged''': [Continued from Doubly Subverted] The cake and coffee has a mind-control drug and it wasn't his free will to be a good Communist after all.
all.
* '''Deconstructed:''' A WellIntentionedExtremist tries to create a perfect communist utopia but fails miserably because [[HumansAreBastards humans are inheritely lazy and greedy]].
* '''Reconstructed:''' The communist utopia fails at first due to various issues but then the creator proposes [[ScienceHero scientific]] solutions - which in real world would bring their own issues.
* '''Enforced:''' The story was written as part of a communist propaganda campaign.
* '''Averted:'''
'''Averted''': The story takes place in a society which admits that it isn't perfect but still generally a good place to live in.
* '''Invoked:''' '''Enforced''': The story was written as part of a communist propaganda campaign.
* '''Lampshaded''': ???
* '''Invoked''':
A character looks to defeat TheEvilsOfFreeWill in order to build a communist utopia.
* '''Defied:''' '''Exploited''': ???
* '''Defied''':
A character suggests to create a communist state, but others immediately point out why every communist state before failed miserably.



* '''Plotted A Perfectly Good Waste:''' There are some [[PoweredByAForsakenChild disquietingly]] [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill dark]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist methods]] used to keep the utopia working, and it is left to the reader to decide if the utopia would be worth the price.

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* '''Deconstructed''': A WellIntentionedExtremist tries to create a perfect communist utopia but fails miserably because [[HumansAreBastards humans are inherently lazy and greedy]].
* '''Reconstructed''': The communist utopia fails at first due to various issues but then the creator proposes [[ScienceHero scientific]] solutions - which in real world would bring their own issues.
* '''Plotted A Perfectly Good Waste:''' Waste''': There are some [[PoweredByAForsakenChild disquietingly]] [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill dark]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist methods]] used to keep the utopia working, and it is left to the reader to decide if the utopia would be worth the price.



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1st Jan '13 9:34:51 PM GlassSpires
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*'''Triple Subverted:''' The cake and coffee has a mind-control drug and it wasn't his free will to be a good Communist after all.
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