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* '''Plotted A Good Waste''': Alice is sold as a strong fighter because her drive to shoot first (oftentimes literally) borders on NoNonsenseNemesis... and then she gets kicked out of the TournamentArc because she jumped the gun and knocked out her opponent before the match officially started. The lesson to be learned is that there is one time and place for fighting "smart" and a different one for following every cliché in the fighting media book.

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Alice is sold as a strong fighter because her drive to shoot first (oftentimes literally) borders on NoNonsenseNemesis... and then she gets kicked out of the TournamentArc because she jumped the gun and knocked out her opponent before the match officially started. The lesson to be learned is that there is one time and place for fighting "smart" and a different one for following every cliché in the fighting media book.book.
** Alice is sold as the greatest strategist ever, who can figure out a hundred thousand ways to overcome her opponent with dirty tactics... and then [[GeneralRipper General Killemall]] does short work of her by [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill dropping a nuclear warhead on her general position]]. Or by [[FastestGunInTheWest quick-drawing on her]] ''Indiana Jones''-style ([[MythologyGag while being indisposed by something he ate]]). Lesson being that sometimes superior enemies [[InvincibleVillain remain superior enemies]] and the only stratagem against them is to [[RunOrDie run like hell]].
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** "You cheated!" "You challenged me to a fight. You let me have the first punch. I knocked you out with that punch. I won." "[[SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers Do not give me that 'in a real battle there are no rules' crap!]] It was a proper challenge, in a boxing ring, with a referee, with ''rules'' that we agreed on four days earlier! I punch you, you punch me, with heads and hands protected, no hits below the belt, first one to fall loses! [[EyeScream Blinding me with sulfuric acid]] is ''cheating''!"

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** "You cheated!" "You challenged me to a fight. You let me have the first punch. I knocked you out with that punch. I won." "[[SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers Do not give me that 'in a real battle there are no rules' crap!]] It was a proper challenge, in a boxing ring, with a referee, with ''rules'' that we agreed on four days earlier! I punch you, you punch me, with heads and hands protected, no hits below the belt, first one to fall loses! [[EyeScream Blinding me with sulfuric acid]] is ''cheating''!"cheating! Using brass knuckles inside the gloves is cheating! [[KickThemWhileTheyAreDown Kicking me in the face after you knocked me down]] is ''cheating''!" "You were knocked out by then; the latter would be UnsportsmanlikeGloating." "[[SarcasmMode So now you wanna argue what part of that is sportsmanlike]]?"
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** Even trickery in combat is a field in which there is AlwaysSomeoneBetter and Alice [[OutGambited will run into]] that [[AssassinOutclassin better trickster]] sooner or later.

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** Even trickery in combat is a field in which there is AlwaysSomeoneBetter and Alice [[OutGambited [[OutGambitted will run into]] that [[AssassinOutclassin better trickster]] sooner or later.



** The episode spends twenty-nine minutes and fifty seconds following the summoning of the ghost of Bob Mann, [[WorldsStrongestMan the greatest warrior who ever lived]], and convincing him to go hurt Alice, who works for the IRS... followed by [[AntiClimax ten seconds]] of Alice [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu destroying Bob]] by tossing a cupful of hot coffee to his face and [[ChairmanOfTheBrawl hitting him with a folding chair]] before going back to eating her lunch.

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** The episode spends twenty-nine minutes and fifty seconds following the summoning of the ghost of Bob Mann, [[WorldsStrongestMan the greatest warrior who ever lived]], and convincing him to go hurt [[DavidVersusGoliath Alice, who works for the IRS...IRS]]... followed by [[AntiClimax ten seconds]] of Alice [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu destroying Bob]] by tossing a cupful of hot coffee to his face and [[ChairmanOfTheBrawl hitting him with a folding chair]] before going back to eating her lunch.
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** Even trickery in combat is a field in which there is AlwaysSomeoneBetter and Alice [[OutGambited will run into]] that [[AssassinOutclassin better trickster]] sooner or later.
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** "You cheated!" "You challenged me to a fight. You let me have the first punch. I knocked you out with that punch. I won." "[[SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers Do not give me that 'in a real battle there are no rules' crap!]] It was a proper challenge, in a boxing ring, with a referee, with ''rules'' that we agreed on four days earlier! I punch you, you punch me, with heads and hands protected, no hits below the belt, first one to fall loses! [[EyeScream Blinding me with sulfuric acid]] is ''cheating''!"
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** By coercing Alice into a sword fight, Karen herself is fighting dirty.
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** The enemy is ''[[[InvincibleVillain too]]'' good and denies Alice any and all options she could take that are not eating dirt before she can even think of them.
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** Karen decides not to play fair and shoots Alice. BigBad [[TheQueenpin Dahlia]], who sees Alice as a WorthyOpponent, has Karen killed and apologizes to Alice for her Dragon's lack of dueling etiquette.

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** Karen decides not to play fair and shoots Alice. BigBad [[TheQueenpin Dahlia]], who sees Alice as a WorthyOpponent, [[YouHaveFailedMe has Karen killed killed]] and apologizes to Alice for her Dragon's lack of dueling etiquette.
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** SimpleSolutionWontWork, with this trope being the "simple solution" in question.
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** FairPlayVillain
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** Alice decides it's too much of a chore to think outside the box, so she doesn't.
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** NoNonsenseNemesis

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** NoNonsenseNemesisNoNonsenseNemesis: Karen and the rest of the dueling circle figure out Alice is not going to abide by duelist etiquette [[YouAreAlreadyDead when they feel the .50 BMG bullets begin to penetrate their skulls]].
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** "Well, [[SenseiForScoundrels Bob]], congratulations on teaching Alice 'how to win'.

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** "Well, [[SenseiForScoundrels Bob]], congratulations on teaching Alice 'how to win'. She is gonna spend the rest of her career paying hospital stays with her fight purses, but nobody is gonna deny the fact she wins."



** Alice is the DeliberatelyBadExample to Wynonna, who is a LawfulStupid StandardShonenHero but gets things done in the long term because she creates pacts between factions while Alice's murders and humiliations only reinforce the CycleOfRevenge.

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** Alice is the DeliberatelyBadExample to Wynonna, who is a LawfulStupid StandardShonenHero StockShonenHero but gets things done in the long term because she creates pacts between factions while Alice's murders and humiliations only reinforce the CycleOfRevenge.
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** "Well, [[SenseiForScoundrels Bob]], congratulations on teaching Alice 'how to win'.


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** Alice is the DeliberatelyBadExample to Wynonna, who is a LawfulStupid StandardShonenHero but gets things done in the long term because she creates pacts between factions while Alice's murders and humiliations only reinforce the CycleOfRevenge.

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* '''Enforced''': The writers originally wanted Alice and Karen to have a long, drawn out, climactic sword duel, but due to time and/or budget restrictions, they replaced it with a much shorter scene where Alice just shoots Karen.



* '''Enforced''': The writers originally wanted Alice and Karen to have a long, drawn out, climactic sword duel, but due to time and/or budget restrictions, they replaced it with a much shorter scene where Alice just shoots Karen.
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** Alice is on the wrong end of a "ScrewTheRulesTheyBrokeThemFirst" situation. The ''[[AwakeningTheSleepingGiant way wrong]]'' end.
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** NoChallengeEqualsNoSatisfaction

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** NoChallengeEqualsNoSatisfaction**NoChallengeEqualsNoSatisfaction



** "[[VirtueisaWeakness Since when]] has being [[HonorBeforeReason a paragon of honor]] ever worked out for anyone?"

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** "[[VirtueisaWeakness "[[VirtueisWeakness Since when]] has being [[HonorBeforeReason a paragon of honor]] ever worked out for anyone?"

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**NoChallengeEqualsNoSatisfaction



** "Since when has being [[HonorBeforeReason a paragon of honor]] ever worked out for anyone?"

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** "Since when "[[VirtueisaWeakness Since when]] has being [[HonorBeforeReason a paragon of honor]] ever worked out for anyone?"



** Karen asks Jane to get Alice's children and stand by the sidelines with a shotgun to their head and then tells Alice that if she so much as ''thinks'' of playing dirty, Jane will kill the kids one by one as a "penalty" each time she breaks the rules.

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** Karen asks Jane to get Alice's children and stand by the sidelines with a shotgun to their head and then tells Alice that if she so much as ''thinks'' of playing dirty, Jane will kill the kids [[DisproportionateRetribution one by one one]] as a "penalty" each time she breaks the rules.



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* '''Conversed''': Two characters watch the scene play out in a movie and discuss how practical Alice is.

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** "Of course [[SenseiForScoundrels Bob]] would say something like [''imitating Bob's baritone''] 'I'm not going to teach [Alice] how to duel, I'm going to teach you how to ''win''' and then tell her how to leave herself open to an assault charge."
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** Alice ambushes Karen and her sister Jill in an attempt at get their rivalry over with. Unfortunately, not only does Karen manages to escape the ambush, [[CynicismCatalyst Alice manages to kill Jill]]. The result: the beginning of a CycleOfRevenge that [[FromBadToWorse only keeps getting worse]] by Alice's continuous attempts at being pragmatic leading to more and more people wishing her dead and Karen keeping off escaping with an increasingly longer list of reasons to tear Alice apart.
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** Alice and Karen are participating in what is supposed to be an honorable contest for sport. Alice's actions show she has no respect for the contest or her opponent and only cares about victory at any cost.


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** Alice and Karen later fight in an actual war, where Alice's desire to win no matter what is more appropriate.
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** Alice is single-handedly responsible of a variation of the ''Blog/ThingsMrWelchIsNoLongerAllowedToDoInAnRPG'', an already LongList of absurd methods for breaking the rules of combat of her circle that only gets longer and more stupid by the hour ("#2475: It is not allowed to slap challengers with red herrings. #2476: Nor is it allowed to slap challengers with trouts. #2477 Revision 35: It is not allowed to slap challengers with life form from the seas (including dolphins and plankton).")


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** Karen uses absurd improvised weaponry to get one over her enemy and has to defend her decisions through ExactWords discussions ("I was told not to bring any weapons. A swordfish is not a weapon." "You stabbed Bob through the heart!" "How the heck was I to know that swordfish points could stab through nine-inch-thick titanium plating?" "Kingdom of New Connecticut swordfish can!" "Come on, are you gonna pull that ''Monty Python'' crap on me, "the speed of an unweighted swallow from the so-and-so"?" "You used a swallow to airmail a grenade to Steve last week!" "And I didn't factored that kind of crap into my plan because it's got to be one of the stupidest things you could factor ''into'' a plan!" "[[TheCoronerDothProtestTooMuch You said the stupid swallow had accidentally taken the grenade!]]" "Ok, I confess to the grenade, but I DEFINITELY was not expecting the damn swordfish to work!")
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** The episode spends twenty-nine minutes and fifty seconds following the summoning of the ghost of Bob Mann, [[WorldsStrongestMan the greatest warrior who ever lived]], and convincing him to go hurt Alice, who works for the IRS… followed by [[AntiClimax ten seconds]] of Alice [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu destroying Bob]] by tossing a cupful of hot coffee to his face and [[ChairmanOfTheBrawl hitting him with a folding chair]]. The people who summoned Bob are utterly flabbergasted at how easy their plan failed.

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** The episode spends twenty-nine minutes and fifty seconds following the summoning of the ghost of Bob Mann, [[WorldsStrongestMan the greatest warrior who ever lived]], and convincing him to go hurt Alice, who works for the IRS… followed by [[AntiClimax ten seconds]] of Alice [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu destroying Bob]] by tossing a cupful of hot coffee to his face and [[ChairmanOfTheBrawl hitting him with a folding chair]]. The people who summoned Bob are utterly flabbergasted at how easy their plan failed.chair]] before going back to eating her lunch.

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