History PlayingWith / AntiVillain

28th Aug '17 7:48:47 PM 4444jdm
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* '''Straight''': Alice is a villain who follows a [[NobleDemon strict moral code]] and does what she does because she sees [[TheHero heroes]] as ineffectual in getting good done.

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* '''Straight''': Alice [[TheDragon General Drake]] is a villain who follows a [[NobleDemon strict moral code]] and does what she he does because she he sees [[TheHero the heroes]] as ineffectual in getting good done.



** Alice has hardly any villainous traits and is a villain in name only.
** Alice lives in a SupervillainLair, practices her EvilLaugh, and [[CardCarryingVillain declares that she's evil]] and will TakeOverTheWorld, but rarely causes any real trouble. She just likes the villainous lifestyle.
* '''Downplayed''': Alice is basically a bad guy, but she does have [[EvenEvilHasStandards standards]], and cares about [[BenevolentBoss the people working under her]].
* '''Justified''': Alice has a sympathetic BackStory and comes from a setting where the heroes are either [[GoodIsDumb incompetent]], {{Knight Templar}}s, or [[DirtyCop corrupt]]. Overlaps with HeroAntagonist.

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** Alice General Drake has hardly any villainous traits and is a villain in name only.
** Alice General Drake lives in a SupervillainLair, practices her his EvilLaugh, and [[CardCarryingVillain declares that she's he's evil]] and will TakeOverTheWorld, but rarely causes any real trouble. She He's just likes the villainous lifestyle.
* '''Downplayed''': Alice General Drake is basically a bad guy, DrillSergeantNasty, but she he does have [[EvenEvilHasStandards standards]], and cares about [[BenevolentBoss the people working under her]].
him]].
* '''Justified''': Alice General Drake has a sympathetic BackStory and comes from a setting where the heroes are either [[GoodIsDumb incompetent]], {{Knight Templar}}s, or [[DirtyCop corrupt]]. Overlaps with HeroAntagonist.



** Alice is a heroic villain... Most of the time, at least, but from time to time, she flies off the handle and went JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope, performing outright villainous acts.
** She is a [[VillainWithGoodPublicity villain with such good publicity]] that even the viewer doesn't believe that she is really evil... until her true goals become apparent, which are far over the MoralEventHorizon.
** As we see more and more of Alice, it's becomes clear that she's [[AntiHero Not even a Villain]] in the first place.
* '''Double Subverted''': Alice realizes her mistakes and is trying to keep herself on the blurry line of anti-villainy.

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** Alice General Drake is a heroic villain... Most of the time, at least, but from time to time, she he flies off the handle and went JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope, performing outright villainous acts.
** She He is a [[VillainWithGoodPublicity villain with such good publicity]] that even the viewer doesn't believe that she he is really evil... until her his true goals become apparent, which are far over the MoralEventHorizon.
** As we see more and more of Alice, General Drake, it's becomes clear that she's he's [[AntiHero Not even a Villain]] in the first place.
* '''Double Subverted''': Alice General Drake realizes her his mistakes and is trying to keep herself himself on the blurry line of anti-villainy.



** Alice likes to think of herself as villainous, but in reality, she is a true hero whose fellow villains aren't even convinced of her evil.

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** Alice General Drake likes to think of herself himself as villainous, but in reality, she he is a true hero whose fellow villains aren't even convinced of her his evil.



* '''Zig Zagged''': Alice continues to cross the line between hero and villain, depending on the situation.
* '''Averted''': Alice is a traditional villain with all that entails, only having enough sympathetic traits to make her believable.

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* '''Zig Zagged''': Alice General Drake continues to cross the line between hero and villain, depending on the situation.
* '''Averted''': Alice General Drake is a traditional villain with all that entails, only having enough sympathetic traits to make her him believable.



** "Hey, we need a counter-point to our AntiHero... Let's make Alice sympathetic!"

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** "Hey, we need a counter-point to our AntiHero... Let's make Alice General Drake sympathetic!"



* '''Invoked''': Alice intentionally acts as a morally ambiguous villain so as to capitalize on ProtagonistCenteredMorality.
* '''Exploited''': TheHero tries talking Alice into his side by letting her know that they can work together.
* '''Defied''': Alice tries as hard as possible to deny her good side so that she doesn't have to be upset with herself.
* '''Discussed''': "Don't feel bad that we defeated her, she was evil!" "But she was trying to [[WellIntentionedExtremist save the world... just differently]]."
* '''Conversed''': "Why does Alice seem to be more [[AntiHero heroic than the hero]] in this show?

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* '''Invoked''': Alice General Drake intentionally acts as a morally ambiguous villain so as to capitalize on ProtagonistCenteredMorality.
* '''Exploited''': TheHero tries talking Alice General Drake into his side by letting her him know that they can work together.
* '''Defied''': Alice General Drake tries as hard as possible to deny her his good side so that she he doesn't have to be upset with herself.
himself.
* '''Discussed''': "Don't feel bad that we defeated her, she him, he was evil!" "But she he was trying to [[WellIntentionedExtremist save the world... just differently]]."
* '''Conversed''': "Why does Alice General Drake seem to be more [[AntiHero heroic than the hero]] in this show?



** Being so close to the blurry moral line of Villainy and Heroism causes Alice to be constantly wracked with guilt and eventually have a complete mental breakdown.
** Due to Alice's ambiguity, the cops don't know whether she's a hero or a villain this week. To be on the safe side, they shoot her anyway.

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** Being so close to the blurry moral line of Villainy and Heroism causes Alice General Drake to be constantly wracked with guilt and eventually have a complete mental breakdown.
** Due to Alice's General Drake's ambiguity, the cops don't know whether she's he's a hero or a villain this week. To be on the safe side, they shoot her him anyway.



** ...but returns to power to continue mission after deciding that what she has been doing is really for the better.
** She takes the villain's position to heart and tries to either help the villain (if possible, to do so within good morals) or work harder to prevent people from becoming like the anti-villain (as in, she works to prevent the tragedies that resulted in the anti-villain to become a villain).

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** ...but returns to power to continue mission after deciding that what she he has been doing is really for the better.
** She He takes the villain's position to heart and tries to either help the villain (if possible, to do so within good morals) or work harder to prevent people from becoming like the anti-villain (as in, she he works to prevent the tragedies that resulted in the anti-villain to become a villain).
24th Jun '17 12:43:58 PM ectostar
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* '''Straight''': Alice is a villain who follows a [[EvenEvilHasStandards strict moral code]] and does what she does because she sees [[TheHero heroes]] as ineffectual in getting good done.

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* '''Straight''': Alice is a villain who follows a [[EvenEvilHasStandards [[NobleDemon strict moral code]] and does what she does because she sees [[TheHero heroes]] as ineffectual in getting good done.
24th Jun '17 12:37:05 PM ectostar
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'''Basic Trope''': A villain that is morally ambiguous

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'''Basic Trope''': A villain that is morally ambiguousambiguous.



** Alice is a heroic villain...Most of the time, at least, but from time to time, she flies off the handle and went JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope, performing outright villainous acts.
** She is a [[VillainWithGoodPublicity villain with such good publicity]] that even the viewer doesn't believe that she is really evil...until her true goals become apparent, which are far over the MoralEventHorizon.

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** Alice is a heroic villain... Most of the time, at least, but from time to time, she flies off the handle and went JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope, performing outright villainous acts.
** She is a [[VillainWithGoodPublicity villain with such good publicity]] that even the viewer doesn't believe that she is really evil... until her true goals become apparent, which are far over the MoralEventHorizon.



* '''Discussed''': "Don't feel bad that we defeated her, she was evil!" "But she was trying to [[WellIntentionedExtremist save the world...just differently]]."

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* '''Discussed''': "Don't feel bad that we defeated her, she was evil!" "But she was trying to [[WellIntentionedExtremist save the world... just differently]]."
28th Jan '17 11:49:44 PM ectostar
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** AntiHero
** CompleteMonster

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** AntiHero
AntiHero.
** CompleteMonsterCompleteMonster.



** "The fools! They called me mad! We'll see who's laughing when I end world hunger and cure cancer! [[EvilLaugh HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!]]"

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** "The fools! They called me mad! We'll see who's laughing when I end world hunger and cure cancer! [[EvilLaugh HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!]]"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA]]!"



** "Hey, we need a counter-point to our AntiHero...Let's make Alice sympathetic!"

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** "Hey, we need a counter-point to our AntiHero... Let's make Alice sympathetic!"



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18th Jul '16 3:03:03 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* '''Invoked''': Alice [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy intentionally]] acts as a morally ambiguous villain so as to capitalize on ProtagonistCenteredMorality.

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* '''Invoked''': Alice [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy intentionally]] intentionally acts as a morally ambiguous villain so as to capitalize on ProtagonistCenteredMorality.
12th Feb '14 8:14:45 AM VPhantom
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* '''Downplayed''': Alice is basically a bad guy, but she does have [[EvenEvilHasStandards standards]], and shoe does care about [[BenevolentBoss the people working under her]].

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* '''Downplayed''': Alice is basically a bad guy, but she does have [[EvenEvilHasStandards standards]], and shoe does care cares about [[BenevolentBoss the people working under her]].
12th Feb '14 4:38:26 AM randomtroper89
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* '''Downplayed''': Alice is basically a bad guy, but she does have [[EvenEvilHasStandards standards]], and shoe does care about the[[BenoleventBoss the people working under her]].

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* '''Downplayed''': Alice is basically a bad guy, but she does have [[EvenEvilHasStandards standards]], and shoe does care about the[[BenoleventBoss [[BenevolentBoss the people working under her]].
12th Feb '14 4:38:04 AM randomtroper89
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* '''Downplayed''': Alice is basically a bad guy, but she does have [[EvenEvilHasStandards standards.]]
* '''Justified''': Alice has a sympathetic BackStory and comes from a setting where the heroes are either [[GoodIsDumb incompetent]], [[KnightTemplar Knight Templars]], or [[DirtyCop corrupt]]. Overlaps with HeroAntagonist.

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* '''Downplayed''': Alice is basically a bad guy, but she does have [[EvenEvilHasStandards standards.]]
standards]], and shoe does care about the[[BenoleventBoss the people working under her]].
* '''Justified''': Alice has a sympathetic BackStory and comes from a setting where the heroes are either [[GoodIsDumb incompetent]], [[KnightTemplar Knight Templars]], {{Knight Templar}}s, or [[DirtyCop corrupt]]. Overlaps with HeroAntagonist.
22nd Aug '13 3:02:35 PM creekery
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* '''Straight''': Alice is a villain who follows a [[{{EvenEvilHasStandards}} strict moral code]] and does what she does because she sees [[TheHero heroes]] as ineffectual in getting good done.

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* '''Straight''': Alice is a villain who follows a [[{{EvenEvilHasStandards}} [[EvenEvilHasStandards strict moral code]] and does what she does because she sees [[TheHero heroes]] as ineffectual in getting good done.



* '''Downplayed''': ???
* '''Justified''': Alice has a sympathetic {{Backstory}} and comes from a setting where the heroes are either [[GoodIsDumb incompetent]], [[KnightTemplar Knight Templars]], or [[DirtyCop corrupt]]. Overlaps with HeroAntagonist.

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* '''Downplayed''': ???
Alice is basically a bad guy, but she does have [[EvenEvilHasStandards standards.]]
* '''Justified''': Alice has a sympathetic {{Backstory}} BackStory and comes from a setting where the heroes are either [[GoodIsDumb incompetent]], [[KnightTemplar Knight Templars]], or [[DirtyCop corrupt]]. Overlaps with HeroAntagonist.



* '''Double Subverted''': Alice realizes her mistakes and is trying to keep herself on the blurry line of {{Anti villain}}y.

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* '''Double Subverted''': Alice realizes her mistakes and is trying to keep herself on the blurry line of {{Anti villain}}y.anti-villainy.



* '''Exploited''': ???

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* '''Exploited''': ???TheHero tries talking Alice into his side by letting her know that they can work together.
4th Apr '13 6:33:35 AM BibsDibs
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* '''Enforced''': "Hey, we need a counter-point to our AntiHero...Let's make Alice sympathetic!"

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* '''Enforced''': '''Enforced''':
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"Hey, we need a counter-point to our AntiHero...Let's make Alice sympathetic!"sympathetic!"
** "{{Complete Monster}}s don't appeal to audiences. People don't want to see a guy to murder babies & puppies after beating the crap out of them. People want a more complex villain. Let's give them what they want & in return, we'll get all their money."
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