History PlayingWith / AntiVillain

24th Jun '17 12:43:58 PM ectostar
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* '''Straight''': Alice is a villain who follows a [[EvenEvilHasStandards strict moral code]] and does what she does because she sees [[TheHero heroes]] as ineffectual in getting good done.

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* '''Straight''': Alice is a villain who follows a [[EvenEvilHasStandards [[NobleDemon strict moral code]] and does what she does because she sees [[TheHero heroes]] as ineffectual in getting good done.
24th Jun '17 12:37:05 PM ectostar
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'''Basic Trope''': A villain that is morally ambiguous

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'''Basic Trope''': A villain that is morally ambiguousambiguous.



** Alice is a heroic villain...Most of the time, at least, but from time to time, she flies off the handle and went JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope, performing outright villainous acts.
** She is a [[VillainWithGoodPublicity villain with such good publicity]] that even the viewer doesn't believe that she is really evil...until her true goals become apparent, which are far over the MoralEventHorizon.

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** Alice is a heroic villain... Most of the time, at least, but from time to time, she flies off the handle and went JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope, performing outright villainous acts.
** She is a [[VillainWithGoodPublicity villain with such good publicity]] that even the viewer doesn't believe that she is really evil... until her true goals become apparent, which are far over the MoralEventHorizon.



* '''Discussed''': "Don't feel bad that we defeated her, she was evil!" "But she was trying to [[WellIntentionedExtremist save the world...just differently]]."

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* '''Discussed''': "Don't feel bad that we defeated her, she was evil!" "But she was trying to [[WellIntentionedExtremist save the world... just differently]]."
28th Jan '17 11:49:44 PM ectostar
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** AntiHero
** CompleteMonster

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** AntiHero
AntiHero.
** CompleteMonsterCompleteMonster.



** "The fools! They called me mad! We'll see who's laughing when I end world hunger and cure cancer! [[EvilLaugh HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!]]"

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** "The fools! They called me mad! We'll see who's laughing when I end world hunger and cure cancer! [[EvilLaugh HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!]]"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA]]!"



** "Hey, we need a counter-point to our AntiHero...Let's make Alice sympathetic!"

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** "Hey, we need a counter-point to our AntiHero... Let's make Alice sympathetic!"



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18th Jul '16 3:03:03 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* '''Invoked''': Alice [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy intentionally]] acts as a morally ambiguous villain so as to capitalize on ProtagonistCenteredMorality.

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* '''Invoked''': Alice [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy intentionally]] intentionally acts as a morally ambiguous villain so as to capitalize on ProtagonistCenteredMorality.
12th Feb '14 8:14:45 AM VPhantom
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* '''Downplayed''': Alice is basically a bad guy, but she does have [[EvenEvilHasStandards standards]], and shoe does care about [[BenevolentBoss the people working under her]].

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* '''Downplayed''': Alice is basically a bad guy, but she does have [[EvenEvilHasStandards standards]], and shoe does care cares about [[BenevolentBoss the people working under her]].
12th Feb '14 4:38:26 AM randomtroper89
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* '''Downplayed''': Alice is basically a bad guy, but she does have [[EvenEvilHasStandards standards]], and shoe does care about the[[BenoleventBoss the people working under her]].

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* '''Downplayed''': Alice is basically a bad guy, but she does have [[EvenEvilHasStandards standards]], and shoe does care about the[[BenoleventBoss [[BenevolentBoss the people working under her]].
12th Feb '14 4:38:04 AM randomtroper89
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* '''Downplayed''': Alice is basically a bad guy, but she does have [[EvenEvilHasStandards standards.]]
* '''Justified''': Alice has a sympathetic BackStory and comes from a setting where the heroes are either [[GoodIsDumb incompetent]], [[KnightTemplar Knight Templars]], or [[DirtyCop corrupt]]. Overlaps with HeroAntagonist.

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* '''Downplayed''': Alice is basically a bad guy, but she does have [[EvenEvilHasStandards standards.]]
standards]], and shoe does care about the[[BenoleventBoss the people working under her]].
* '''Justified''': Alice has a sympathetic BackStory and comes from a setting where the heroes are either [[GoodIsDumb incompetent]], [[KnightTemplar Knight Templars]], {{Knight Templar}}s, or [[DirtyCop corrupt]]. Overlaps with HeroAntagonist.
22nd Aug '13 3:02:35 PM creekery
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* '''Straight''': Alice is a villain who follows a [[{{EvenEvilHasStandards}} strict moral code]] and does what she does because she sees [[TheHero heroes]] as ineffectual in getting good done.

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* '''Straight''': Alice is a villain who follows a [[{{EvenEvilHasStandards}} [[EvenEvilHasStandards strict moral code]] and does what she does because she sees [[TheHero heroes]] as ineffectual in getting good done.



* '''Downplayed''': ???
* '''Justified''': Alice has a sympathetic {{Backstory}} and comes from a setting where the heroes are either [[GoodIsDumb incompetent]], [[KnightTemplar Knight Templars]], or [[DirtyCop corrupt]]. Overlaps with HeroAntagonist.

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* '''Downplayed''': ???
Alice is basically a bad guy, but she does have [[EvenEvilHasStandards standards.]]
* '''Justified''': Alice has a sympathetic {{Backstory}} BackStory and comes from a setting where the heroes are either [[GoodIsDumb incompetent]], [[KnightTemplar Knight Templars]], or [[DirtyCop corrupt]]. Overlaps with HeroAntagonist.



* '''Double Subverted''': Alice realizes her mistakes and is trying to keep herself on the blurry line of {{Anti villain}}y.

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* '''Double Subverted''': Alice realizes her mistakes and is trying to keep herself on the blurry line of {{Anti villain}}y.anti-villainy.



* '''Exploited''': ???

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* '''Exploited''': ???TheHero tries talking Alice into his side by letting her know that they can work together.
4th Apr '13 6:33:35 AM BibsDibs
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* '''Enforced''': "Hey, we need a counter-point to our AntiHero...Let's make Alice sympathetic!"

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* '''Enforced''': '''Enforced''':
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"Hey, we need a counter-point to our AntiHero...Let's make Alice sympathetic!"sympathetic!"
** "{{Complete Monster}}s don't appeal to audiences. People don't want to see a guy to murder babies & puppies after beating the crap out of them. People want a more complex villain. Let's give them what they want & in return, we'll get all their money."
11th Dec '12 9:10:08 AM Craver357
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** Alice is a heroic villain...Most of the time, at least, but from time to time, she flies off the handle and JumpsOffTheSlipperySlope, performing outright villainous acts.

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** Alice is a heroic villain...Most of the time, at least, but from time to time, she flies off the handle and JumpsOffTheSlipperySlope, went JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope, performing outright villainous acts.



* '''Double Subverted''': Alice realizes her mistakes and is trying to keep herself on the blurry line of [[AntiVillain Antivillainy]]

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* '''Double Subverted''': Alice realizes her mistakes and is trying to keep herself on the blurry line of [[AntiVillain Antivillainy]]{{Anti villain}}y.
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