History OlderThanTheyThink / Theatre

12th Aug '17 4:03:16 PM RedScharlach
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** ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'' was based on a legendary Danish prince of the same name. Scholars also suspect that Shakespeare's play was an adaptation of a previous play based the legend. No copies of the "''Ur-Hamlet''," if it ever existed, have survived.

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** ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'' was based on a legendary Danish prince of the same name. Scholars also suspect that Shakespeare's play was an adaptation of a previous play based on the legend. No legend, although no copies of the this "''Ur-Hamlet''," if it ever existed, have survived.



** ''Theatre/TheComedyOfErrors'' is based off of ''Menaechmi'' by Plautus.

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** ''Theatre/TheComedyOfErrors'' is based off of on ''Menaechmi'' by Plautus.



* One thing that practically ''everyone'' knows about 17th century English theatre is that women were banned from stage acting, forcing men to play female roles. While this is certainly not wrong, comparatively few people seem to know that the ban on female actors was lifted during the reign of Charles II, which began in 1660--less than half a century after Creator/WilliamShakespeare's death. Out of the 400-odd years that Shakespeare's plays have been performed, women have been allowed to play the female roles in them for roughly 350 years.

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* One thing that practically ''everyone'' knows about 17th century 17th-century English theatre is that women were banned from stage acting, forcing men to play female roles. While this is certainly not wrong, comparatively few people seem to know that the ban on female actors was lifted during the reign of Charles II, which began in 1660--less than half a century after Creator/WilliamShakespeare's death. Out of the 400-odd years that Shakespeare's plays have been performed, women have been allowed to play the female roles in them for roughly 350 years.
26th Jun '17 11:13:19 PM jamespolk
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* Almost all of Creator/WilliamShakespeare's plays are based on pre-existing works, legends, and historical figures. Out of all his plays, only ''Theatre/TheTempest'' seems to be an original plot by Shakespeare.

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* Almost all of Creator/WilliamShakespeare's plays are based on pre-existing works, legends, and historical figures. Out of all his plays, only ''Theatre/TheTempest'' seems and ''Theatre/TheMerryWivesOfWindsor'' seem to be an original plot plots by Shakespeare.



* It's no secret that the songs in ''Theatre/MammaMia'' are just recycled Music/{{ABBA}} hits, but the plot isn't exactly original, either: the 1968 film ''Buona Sera, Mrs. Campbell'' used largely the same plot, as did ''Carmelina'', a 1979 Broadway musical flop by Alan Jay Lerner and Burton Lane.

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* It's no secret that the songs in ''Theatre/MammaMia'' are just recycled Music/{{ABBA}} hits, but the plot isn't exactly original, either: the 1968 film ''Buona Sera, Mrs. Campbell'' ''Film/BuonaSeraMrsCampbell'' used largely the same plot, as did ''Carmelina'', a 1979 Broadway musical flop by Alan Jay Lerner and Burton Lane.
22nd Sep '16 9:54:16 PM nombretomado
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* Fans of ''{{Rent}}'' and ''{{Theatre/Dreamgirls}}'' cried TheyChangedItNowItSucks when some of the lyrics were converted to spoken dialogue in the movie versions. Not many people know it, but the spoken dialogue leading into the second act finale of ''Theatre/HMSPinafore'' was originally sung as a recitative.
** The story of ''{{Rent}}'' is itself OlderThanTheyThink, being essentially the story of LaBoheme by Puccini. Puccini's MadameButterfly was updated and set in the Vietnam War for the sake of ''Theatre/MissSaigon''.

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* Fans of ''{{Rent}}'' ''Theatre/{{Rent}}'' and ''{{Theatre/Dreamgirls}}'' cried TheyChangedItNowItSucks when some of the lyrics were converted to spoken dialogue in the movie versions. Not many people know it, but the spoken dialogue leading into the second act finale of ''Theatre/HMSPinafore'' was originally sung as a recitative.
** The story of ''{{Rent}}'' ''Theatre/{{Rent}}'' is itself OlderThanTheyThink, being essentially the story of LaBoheme ''Theatre/LaBoheme'' by Puccini. Puccini's MadameButterfly was updated and set in the Vietnam War for the sake of ''Theatre/MissSaigon''.
9th Sep '16 7:24:46 AM Sapphirea2
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** Also, while ''Oklahoma!'' tends to get credited as the first truly story-driven musical, with songs closely tied to the desires and actions of their characters rather than just examples of ThatRemindsMeOfASong, there are older examples out there; ''Theatre/ShowBoat'' is probably the most famous. Even the film musical ''Disney/SnowWhiteAndTheSevenDwarfs'' (1937) can be counted among these.



** The story of {{Rent}} is itself OlderThanTheyThink, being essentially the story of LaBoheme by Puccini. Puccini's MadameButterfly was updated and set in the Vietnam war for the sake of MissSaigon.

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** The story of {{Rent}} ''{{Rent}}'' is itself OlderThanTheyThink, being essentially the story of LaBoheme by Puccini. Puccini's MadameButterfly was updated and set in the Vietnam war War for the sake of MissSaigon.''Theatre/MissSaigon''.



* The 1994 stage adaptation of Disney's ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'' wasn't the first "legit" ScreenToStageAdaptation from the Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon. ''Disney/SnowWhiteAndTheSevenDwarfs'' had ''several'' stage adaptations in varying cities/venues long before that, including a 1979 version that ran as a limited engagement in New York City at the huge Radio City Music Hall and had the same scope and scale as later Disney stage musicals (a videotaped version was one of Disney's early [=VHS=] releases).

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** {{Jukebox Musical}}s using the back catalogs of songwriters/musicians or a passel of songs from a certain era also date back decades on both the stage and the big screen. ''Film/SinginInTheRain'' is one example! ''Mamma Mia!'' was the first international megahit based around a ''pop'' song catalog, but London's West End had already seen several such shows prior to its 1999 opening, such as ''Buddy'' (the Buddy Holly back catalog) and ''Return to the Forbidden Planet'' (early rock hits).
* The 1994 stage adaptation of Disney's ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'' wasn't the first "legit" ScreenToStageAdaptation from the Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon. ''Disney/SnowWhiteAndTheSevenDwarfs'' had ''several'' stage adaptations in varying cities/venues long before that, including a 1979 version that ran as a limited engagement in New York City at the huge Radio City Music Hall and had the same scope and scale as later Disney stage musicals (a -- a videotaped version was even one of Disney's early [=VHS=] releases).releases.
20th Aug '16 3:24:06 PM Pamina
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* Many people believe "I Feel Pretty" from ''Theatre/WestSideStory'' is [[{{Bowdlerise}} frequently censored]] to avoid HaveAGayOldTime. It's the other way around. "I feel pretty and witty and gay" is the censored version while the original is "I feel pretty and witty and bright". The lyrics were changed to avoid implications of sex ("bright" rhymed with "tonight" instead of "today").

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* Many people believe "I Feel Pretty" from ''Theatre/WestSideStory'' is [[{{Bowdlerise}} frequently censored]] to avoid HaveAGayOldTime. It's the other way around. "I feel pretty and witty and gay" is the censored version while the original is "I feel pretty and witty and bright". The lyrics were changed because the song was moved to an earlier scene than in the stage version and possibly to avoid implications of sex ("bright" sex: "bright" rhymed with "tonight" instead of "today")."today".
13th Jun '16 10:32:26 PM Pichu-kun
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* A Broadway musical about cats, based on a series of poems, and with considerably more dancing than plot? ''Shinbone Alley'', which opened 25 years before ''Cats''. However, ''Shinbone Alley'' failed to put its cats in any kind of cat costumes, which may help account for its far shorter run.

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* A Broadway musical about cats, based on a series of poems, and with considerably more dancing than plot? ''Shinbone Alley'', which opened 25 years before ''Cats''.''Theatre/{{Cats}}''. However, ''Shinbone Alley'' failed to put its cats in any kind of cat costumes, which may help account for its far shorter run.


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* Many people believe "I Feel Pretty" from ''Theatre/WestSideStory'' is [[{{Bowdlerise}} frequently censored]] to avoid HaveAGayOldTime. It's the other way around. "I feel pretty and witty and gay" is the censored version while the original is "I feel pretty and witty and bright". The lyrics were changed to avoid implications of sex ("bright" rhymed with "tonight" instead of "today").
8th May '16 1:32:09 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* It's no secret that the songs in ''Theatre/MammaMia'' are just recycled {{ABBA}} hits, but the plot isn't exactly original, either: the 1968 film ''Buona Sera, Mrs. Campbell'' used largely the same plot, as did ''Carmelina'', a 1979 Broadway musical flop by Alan Jay Lerner and Burton Lane.

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* It's no secret that the songs in ''Theatre/MammaMia'' are just recycled {{ABBA}} Music/{{ABBA}} hits, but the plot isn't exactly original, either: the 1968 film ''Buona Sera, Mrs. Campbell'' used largely the same plot, as did ''Carmelina'', a 1979 Broadway musical flop by Alan Jay Lerner and Burton Lane.
25th Sep '15 11:20:28 PM Menshevik
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* While Creator/{{Shakespeare}}'s ''plots'' might not be as original as people think, his use of language certainly was, and that leads to this trope in and of itself, or its opposite, YoungerThanTheyThink. As quoted in ''The Story of English'':

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* While Creator/{{Shakespeare}}'s ''plots'' might not be as original as people think, his use of language certainly was, and that leads to this trope in and of itself, or its opposite, YoungerThanTheyThink.NewerThanTheyThink. As quoted in ''The Story of English'':
25th Sep '15 11:19:32 PM Menshevik
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* While Creator/{{Shakespeare}}'s ''plots'' might not be as original as people think, his use of language certainly was, and that leads to this trope in and of itself. As quoted in ''The Story of English'':

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* While Creator/{{Shakespeare}}'s ''plots'' might not be as original as people think, his use of language certainly was, and that leads to this trope in and of itself.itself, or its opposite, YoungerThanTheyThink. As quoted in ''The Story of English'':
25th Sep '15 10:56:52 PM nombretomado
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* Unlike the stereotypical musical comedy, ''{{Oklahoma}}'' doesn't use the standard OpeningChorus; its opening number is a solo. But neither did half of the musical comedies that came before it; in fact, many of them didn't have an opening number of any sort, unless you count the short passage of nondescript music the orchestra plays while the curtain opens on a scene of expository dialogue. (And though ''Oklahoma!'' was indeed the first Rodgers and Hammerstein musical, they had first collaborated in 1919, when their careers had barely started.)

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* Unlike the stereotypical musical comedy, ''{{Oklahoma}}'' ''Theatre/{{Oklahoma}}'' doesn't use the standard OpeningChorus; its opening number is a solo. But neither did half of the musical comedies that came before it; in fact, many of them didn't have an opening number of any sort, unless you count the short passage of nondescript music the orchestra plays while the curtain opens on a scene of expository dialogue. (And though ''Oklahoma!'' was indeed the first Rodgers and Hammerstein musical, they had first collaborated in 1919, when their careers had barely started.)
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