History OlderThanTheyThink / ComicBooks

8th Feb '17 11:57:43 AM comicwriter
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* Many people think the AffirmativeActionLegacy trope is a modern concept that was designed to appeal to more progressive, 21st century political sensibilities. The first major instance of this trope at Marvel or DC was John Stewart, the black Comicbook/GreenLantern, who debuted all the way back in 1971.

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* Many people think the AffirmativeActionLegacy trope is a modern concept that was designed to appeal to more progressive, 21st century political sensibilities. The At the earliest, they tend to think it started in TheNineties with characters like Comicbook/{{Steel}} and [[Comicbook/GreenArrow Connor Hawke]]. In reality, the first major instance of this trope at Marvel or DC was John Stewart, the black Comicbook/GreenLantern, who debuted all the way back in 1971.
8th Feb '17 11:55:50 AM comicwriter
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* ''Comicbook/BlackPanther'' is often said to be the first black superhero, but that honor actually belongs to Lion Man, an obscure Golden Age hero who appeared in the sole issue of ''All-Negro Comics'' back in 1947. And while he didn't have powers, the gunslinger ''Lobo'' was the first black character to have his own comic book series, while Waku, Prince of the Bantu had his own feature in AtlasComics' ''Jungle Tales'' anthology series.

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* ''Comicbook/BlackPanther'' is often said to be the first black superhero, but that honor actually belongs to Lion Man, an obscure Golden Age hero who appeared in the sole issue of ''All-Negro Comics'' back in 1947. And while he didn't have powers, the gunslinger ''Lobo'' was the first black character to have his own comic book series, while Waku, Prince of the Bantu had his own feature in AtlasComics' Atlas Comics' ''Jungle Tales'' anthology series.
8th Feb '17 9:09:35 AM comicwriter
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* ''Comicbook/BlackPanther'' is often said to be the first black superhero, but that honor actually belongs to Lion Man, an obscure Golden Age hero who appeared in the sole issue of ''All-Negro Comics'' back in 1947. And while he didn't have powers, the gunslinger ''Lobo'' was the first black character to have his own comic book series, and Waku, Prince of the Bantu, predated Black Panther at Atlas Comics, Marvel's predecessor.

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* ''Comicbook/BlackPanther'' is often said to be the first black superhero, but that honor actually belongs to Lion Man, an obscure Golden Age hero who appeared in the sole issue of ''All-Negro Comics'' back in 1947. And while he didn't have powers, the gunslinger ''Lobo'' was the first black character to have his own comic book series, and while Waku, Prince of the Bantu, predated Black Panther at Atlas Comics, Marvel's predecessor. Bantu had his own feature in AtlasComics' ''Jungle Tales'' anthology series.
19th Jan '17 3:31:34 PM kensu
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** ''[[ComicBook/DarkEmpire Dark Empire II]]'' by the same creators had a scene which showed a conference room in an ancient Jedi citadel. The room looks identical to the Jedi Council Chamber that would appear in the prequels (with the sole exception of the center of the room being occupied by a crystal monolith). This comic was published in 1995, four years before ''Film/StarWarsThePhantomMenace''.
18th Jan '17 12:23:11 PM Lloigor
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* Some fans have accused Spider-Man ArchEnemy ComicBook/NormanOsborn (aka the Green Goblin) of being a rip off of ComicBook/LexLuthor, because both are [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Corrupt Corporate Executives]]. Thing is, Norman's been an evil businessman since he debuted in 1966 (his Goblin alter ego debuted two years before he did interestingly enough), while Luthor was a traditional MadScientist from his appearance in 1940 until his reinvention as a businessman in 1986.

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* Some fans have accused Spider-Man ArchEnemy ComicBook/NormanOsborn (aka the Green Goblin) of being a rip off of ComicBook/LexLuthor, because both are [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Corrupt Corporate Executives]]. Thing is, Norman's been an evil businessman since he debuted in 1966 (his Goblin alter ego debuted two years before he did did, interestingly enough), while Luthor was a traditional MadScientist from his appearance in 1940 until his reinvention as a businessman in 1986.



* ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'' ripped off ''ComicStrip/DickTracy'' characters ''a lot'', if not necessarily intentionally. (''Dick Tracy'' predates ''Batman'' by almost a decade.) A guy with his mouth frozen open in a huge grin? That wasn't the Joker originally, that was Laffy, who had many of the Joker's personality traits to boot. (Laffy met a tragic end when he starved to death after his jaw was inadvertently wired shut in an effort to fix his face.) And whom do you picture when you're asked to imagine a guy with a comically long nose? The Penguin, right? Well, he was preceded by another ''Tracy'' villain, Ribs Mocca, who looked just like the Penguin except for being much skinnier.

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* ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'' ripped off ''ComicStrip/DickTracy'' characters ''a lot'', if not necessarily intentionally. (''Dick Tracy'' predates ''Batman'' by almost a decade.) A guy with his mouth frozen open in a huge grin? That wasn't the Joker originally, that was Laffy, who had many of the Joker's personality traits to boot. (Laffy met a tragic end when he starved to death after his jaw was inadvertently wired shut in an effort to fix his face.) And whom do you picture when you're asked to imagine a guy with a comically long nose? The Penguin, right? Well, he was preceded by another ''Tracy'' villain, Ribs Mocca, who looked just like the Penguin Penguin, except for being much skinnier.
16th Jan '17 12:27:43 AM narm00
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* According to Creator/ScottMcCloud in ''ComicBook/UnderstandingComics'', the ''very medium'' of comics, which most people assume began with Rodolphe Töpffer in the [[OlderThanRadio mid-1800s]]. Instead, Scott McCloud includes everything from comic books to Egyptian tomb paintings, making the medium OlderThanDirt. However, he does this by using a broad definition that is far from being universally accepted.

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* According to Creator/ScottMcCloud in ''ComicBook/UnderstandingComics'', the ''very medium'' of comics, which most people assume began with Rodolphe Töpffer in the [[OlderThanRadio mid-1800s]]. Instead, Scott McCloud [=McCloud=] includes everything from comic books to Egyptian tomb paintings, making the medium OlderThanDirt. However, he does this by using a broad definition that is far from being universally accepted.



* [[MadeOfIndestructium Adamantium]] is most famous as the fictional metal {{Wolverine}}'s bones and claws are made of, and indeed the ''Film/XMen'' movies are credited with bringing the term to the general public. What fewer people know is that adamantium actually predates the creation of Wolverine by several years, as it was first introduced in an issue of ''Comicbook/TheAvengers'' back in the 60's as the material ComicBook/{{Ultron}}'s body was made of.

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* [[MadeOfIndestructium Adamantium]] is most famous as the fictional metal {{Wolverine}}'s ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}'s bones and claws are made of, and indeed the ''Film/XMen'' movies are credited with bringing the term to the general public. What fewer people know is that adamantium actually predates the creation of Wolverine by several years, as it was first introduced in an issue of ''Comicbook/TheAvengers'' back in the 60's as the material ComicBook/{{Ultron}}'s body was made of.



* The mix of ancient characters with original creations in stories about characters like Marvel's [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]] and [[ComicBook/TheIncredibleHercules Hercules]] and DC's WonderWoman leads to an understandable amount of both OlderThanTheyThink and NewerThanTheyThink. Notable examples include reviewers thinking a character was being antisemitic for calling Hercules's wife "Hebe" (that's her name, from classical Greek mythology, and it's pronounced differently to the modern anti-Semitic slur).

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* The mix of ancient characters with original creations in stories about characters like Marvel's [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]] and [[ComicBook/TheIncredibleHercules Hercules]] and DC's WonderWoman Franchise/WonderWoman leads to an understandable amount of both OlderThanTheyThink and NewerThanTheyThink. Notable examples include reviewers thinking a character was being antisemitic for calling Hercules's wife "Hebe" (that's her name, from classical Greek mythology, and it's pronounced differently to the modern anti-Semitic slur).



* Brian Azzarello's wildly popular Batman story ''ComicBook/{{Joker}}'', about (you guessed it) SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker, takes place in a more realistic universe, where the Joker is depicted as a more believable psychopath. His long messy hair, splotchy "makeup", and GlasgowGrin made him a very unique version of the character.... until ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' came out. Many people consequently thought that the comic "ripped off" HeathLedger's Joker, or that the story was outright set in the [[Film/TheDarkKnightSaga Dark Knight Saga]] continuity. However, this was just a coincidence, they had already started the story before they even saw what Ledger looked like.

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* Brian Azzarello's wildly popular Batman story ''ComicBook/{{Joker}}'', about (you guessed it) SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker, ComicBook/TheJoker, takes place in a more realistic universe, where the Joker is depicted as a more believable psychopath. His long messy hair, splotchy "makeup", and GlasgowGrin made him a very unique version of the character.... until ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' came out. Many people consequently thought that the comic "ripped off" HeathLedger's Joker, or that the story was outright set in the [[Film/TheDarkKnightSaga Dark Knight Saga]] continuity. However, this was just a coincidence, they had already started the story before they even saw what Ledger looked like.



** The first post-Liefeld ''Captain America'' issue mildly retconned Cap's backstory to reveal A UsefulNotes/WorldWarII SuperSoldier was defrosted during both UsefulNotes/TheKoreanWar and UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar, only to put him back under when their mental conditioning started to buckle? Sounds like ComicBook/BuckyBarnes following becoming the Winter Soldier, right? Nope, replace the Soviet Union with the United States and you've got ''Heroes Reborn'' Captain America's backstory.

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** The first post-Liefeld ''Captain America'' issue mildly retconned Cap's backstory to reveal A a UsefulNotes/WorldWarII SuperSoldier was defrosted during both UsefulNotes/TheKoreanWar and UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar, only to put him back under when their mental conditioning started to buckle? buckle. Sounds like ComicBook/BuckyBarnes following becoming the Winter Soldier, right? Nope, replace the Soviet Union with the United States and you've got ''Heroes Reborn'' Captain America's backstory.
7th Jan '17 5:35:25 AM LondonKdS
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* The mix of ancient characters with original creations in stories about characters like Marvel's [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]] and [[ComicBook/TheIncredibleHercules Hercules]] and DC's WonderWoman leads to an understandable amount of both OlderThanTheyThink and NewerThanTheyThink. Notable examples include reviewers thinking a character was being antisemitic for calling Hercules's wife "Hebe" (that's her name, from classical Greek mythology).

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* The mix of ancient characters with original creations in stories about characters like Marvel's [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]] and [[ComicBook/TheIncredibleHercules Hercules]] and DC's WonderWoman leads to an understandable amount of both OlderThanTheyThink and NewerThanTheyThink. Notable examples include reviewers thinking a character was being antisemitic for calling Hercules's wife "Hebe" (that's her name, from classical Greek mythology).mythology, and it's pronounced differently to the modern anti-Semitic slur).



* Brian Azzarello's wildly popular Batman story ''ComicBook/{{Joker}}'', about (you guessed it) SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker, takes place in a more realistic universe, where the Joker is depicted as a more believable psychopath. His long messy hair, splotchy "makeup", and GlasgowGrin made him a very unique version of the character.... until ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' came out. Many people consequently thought that the comic "ripped off" HeathLedger's Joker, or that the story was set in the Creator/ChristopherNolan [[Film/TheDarkKnightSaga movieverse]]. However, this was just a coincidence, they had already started the story before they even saw what Ledger looked like.

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* Brian Azzarello's wildly popular Batman story ''ComicBook/{{Joker}}'', about (you guessed it) SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker, takes place in a more realistic universe, where the Joker is depicted as a more believable psychopath. His long messy hair, splotchy "makeup", and GlasgowGrin made him a very unique version of the character.... until ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' came out. Many people consequently thought that the comic "ripped off" HeathLedger's Joker, or that the story was outright set in the Creator/ChristopherNolan [[Film/TheDarkKnightSaga movieverse]].Dark Knight Saga]] continuity. However, this was just a coincidence, they had already started the story before they even saw what Ledger looked like.
1st Jan '17 7:37:52 PM comicwriter
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* ''Comicbook/UltimateSpiderMan'' contains an in-universe example when Peter finds a video from his father discussing how he'd planned to use the Comicbook/{{Venom}} symbiote to cure cancer.
-->'''Richard Parker''': The first recorded mention of cancer is around 1600 B.C. Egypt. A lot of people don't know that. They think cancer came along with cigarettes and food preservatives.
10th Dec '16 2:13:15 AM UltimateLazer
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* Comicbook/{{Deadshot}} is commonly thought to have debuted in the '70s or '80s due to his reinventions in 1977, and having become a prominent member of the Comicbook/SuicideSquad during that time. He actually debuted in ''1950'' as a one-off Comicbook/{{Batman}} villain, and was [[CharacterizationMarchesOn damn near unrecognizable]] to the Deadshot we know today.
26th Nov '16 6:51:46 PM Pichu-kun
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* Many people who come across ''The Shield'' comics by Dark Circle (a subset of Franchise/ArchieComics aimed at darker superhero stuff than their typical fare) think that the titular superhero is a {{Gender Flip}}ped {{expy}} of ComicBook/CaptainAmerica. The Shield actually ''predates'' Captain America by several months, though the modern 2015 version is a new character as The Shield is a LegacyCharacter.
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