History OlderThanTheyThink / ComicBooks

14th Jun '16 6:31:28 AM narm00
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* In general, superhero comics' DarkerAndEdgier turn has often been exclusively credited to (or blamed on) UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks and the trend's [[UsefulNotes/TheBronzeAgeOfComicBooks Bronze Age]] origins overlooked. (And those origins aren't just in the earlier work of later Dark Age stars like Creator/AlanMoore. Witness the hero apparently confessing to off-screen torture, then gloating over his fallen enemy as he slowly and deliberately batters him to death on screen ... in "Spawn" from ''ComicBook/NewGods'' ... by JackKirby, in 1971!)

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* In general, superhero comics' DarkerAndEdgier turn has often been exclusively credited to (or blamed on) UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks and the trend's [[UsefulNotes/TheBronzeAgeOfComicBooks Bronze Age]] origins overlooked. (And those origins aren't just in the earlier work of later Dark Age stars like Creator/AlanMoore. Witness the hero apparently confessing to off-screen torture, then gloating over his fallen enemy as he slowly and deliberately batters him to death on screen ... in "Spawn" from ''ComicBook/NewGods'' ... by JackKirby, Creator/JackKirby, in 1971!)






** The earliest (comics) superheroine quite probably is ''Olga Mesmer, the Girl with the X-Ray Eyes'', who appeared in a back-up comic series in the pulp magazine ''Spicy Mystery Stories'' starting in August 1937. That's right, she got into print before Superman. Olga Mesmer also was super-strong and the daughter of an alien queen (belonging to a subterranean race that originated from Venus), but her feature only lasted a little over a year. Considering the title of the magazine in which she appeared, it probably no surprise that Olga did not fight in a colourful costume, but mostly in her underwear. Fun fact: Both ''Spicy Mystery Stories'' and ''Action Comics'' were published by Harry Donenfeld.

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** The earliest (comics) superheroine quite probably is ''Olga Mesmer, the Girl with the X-Ray Eyes'', who appeared in a back-up comic series in the pulp magazine ''Spicy Mystery Stories'' starting in August 1937. That's right, she got into print before Superman. Olga Mesmer also was super-strong and the daughter of an alien queen (belonging to a subterranean race that originated from Venus), but her feature only lasted a little over a year. Considering the title of the magazine in which she appeared, it it's probably no surprise that Olga did not fight in a colourful costume, but mostly in her underwear. Fun fact: Both ''Spicy Mystery Stories'' and ''Action Comics'' were published by Harry Donenfeld.



* Many ComicBook/BlackCanary fans think of her as a relatively new character, maybe from TheSeventies or TheEighties. The original Black Canary - Black Canary is actually a LegacyCharacter - first appeared in ''1947''. Black Canary was one of the first female members of the Justice Society Of America, and for that matter Black Canary had a love interest and later husband in Larry Lance for over twenty years before she began associating with ComicBook/GreenArrow.
* Barbara Gordon is almost always considered the original ComicBook/{{Batgirl}} however five years prior to Babs appearing in ''Series/{{Batman}}'' there was already a "Bat-Girl", who was a sidekick to Batwoman and more of a direct DistaffCounterpart to Robin. Betty Kane was scrapped after a while but reappeared as an adult in the late 70s, only to be {{retcon}}ned out of existence after the universe reboots. She was later reintroduced as "Bett''e'' Kane" and made into Flamebird. Bette is no longer considered a Batfamily member and [[CanonDiscontinuity DC ignores]] her run as Bat-Girl however she still ''technically'' was the first Batgirl.

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* Many ComicBook/BlackCanary fans think of her as a relatively new character, maybe from TheSeventies or TheEighties. The original Black Canary - Black Canary is actually a LegacyCharacter - first appeared in ''1947''. Black Canary was one of the first female members of the Justice Society Of America, and for that matter Black Canary had a love interest interest, and later husband husband, in Larry Lance for over twenty years before she began associating with ComicBook/GreenArrow.
* Barbara Gordon is almost always considered the original ComicBook/{{Batgirl}} however ComicBook/{{Batgirl}}; however, five years prior to Babs appearing in ''Series/{{Batman}}'' there was already a "Bat-Girl", who was a sidekick to Batwoman and more of a direct DistaffCounterpart to Robin. Betty Kane was scrapped after a while but reappeared as an adult in the late 70s, only to be {{retcon}}ned out of existence after the universe reboots. She was later reintroduced as "Bett''e'' Kane" and made into Flamebird. Bette is no longer considered a Batfamily member and [[CanonDiscontinuity DC ignores]] her run as Bat-Girl however Bat-Girl, but she still ''technically'' was the first Batgirl.
12th Jun '16 4:27:35 PM nombretomado
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* DC's Comicbook/{{Deathstroke}} has often been criticized as a {{Deadpool}} rip-off, despite the fact that not only does Deathstroke predate Deadpool by over a decade, Deadpool was [[CaptainErsatz originally created to be a rip-off of Deathstroke]] (though he later became a character in his own right).
** Deathstroke himself is based off of {{Taskmaster}}, a Marvel villain that debuted a few months before him. Not surprising, since GeorgePerez created both of them. All three characters have diverged. Deathstroke is a LawfulEvil [[ProfessionalKiller mercenary]] played [[KnightOfCerebus dead seriously]]. Taskmaster is a LawfulNeutral PunchClockVillain slash PunchClockHero who is slightly quirky (albeit a ConsummateProfessional nonetheless) and OnlyInItForTheMoney. Deadpool is a [[BunnyEarsLawyer competent but ''very'' quirky (i.e. insane)]] LovableRogue who toes the line between ChaoticNeutral and ChaoticGood.

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* DC's Comicbook/{{Deathstroke}} has often been criticized as a {{Deadpool}} SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}} rip-off, despite the fact that not only does Deathstroke predate Deadpool by over a decade, Deadpool was [[CaptainErsatz originally created to be a rip-off of Deathstroke]] (though he later became a character in his own right).
** Deathstroke himself is based off of {{Taskmaster}}, ComicBook/{{Taskmaster}}, a Marvel villain that debuted a few months before him. Not surprising, since GeorgePerez created both of them. All three characters have diverged. Deathstroke is a LawfulEvil [[ProfessionalKiller mercenary]] played [[KnightOfCerebus dead seriously]]. Taskmaster is a LawfulNeutral PunchClockVillain slash PunchClockHero who is slightly quirky (albeit a ConsummateProfessional nonetheless) and OnlyInItForTheMoney. Deadpool is a [[BunnyEarsLawyer competent but ''very'' quirky (i.e. insane)]] LovableRogue who toes the line between ChaoticNeutral and ChaoticGood.
9th Jun '16 11:34:00 PM gewunomox
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*** Other early superhero characters sharing most of those traits (but set in {{Japan}} rather than America) include the Japanese superheroes Anime/GoldenBat (debuted 1930) and [[http://www.animevice.com/prince-of-gamma/18-31482/ Prince of Gamma]] (debuted early 1930's). In these cases, the uncanny similarities to {{Superman}} and Franchise/{{Batman}} are even greater, including tropes like full {{Flight}}, SuperSpeed, TheCape, BatSignal, alien SuperHeroOrigin, etc.

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*** Other early superhero characters sharing most of those traits (but set in {{Japan}} UsefulNotes/{{Japan}} rather than America) include the Japanese superheroes Anime/GoldenBat (debuted 1930) and [[http://www.animevice.com/prince-of-gamma/18-31482/ Prince of Gamma]] (debuted early 1930's). In these cases, the uncanny similarities to {{Superman}} and Franchise/{{Batman}} are even greater, including tropes like full {{Flight}}, SuperSpeed, TheCape, BatSignal, alien SuperHeroOrigin, etc.
29th May '16 5:40:47 PM Doug86
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* Comicbook/AntMan riding one of Comicbook/{{Hawkeye}}'s arrows is arguably one of the most iconic moments in ''[[Comicbook/TheAvengers Avengers]]'' history, and has been recreated in adaptations like ''WesternAnimation/AvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes'', ''VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom3'' and ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar''. However, DC actually beat Marvel to the punch on this, as GreenArrow and Comicbook/TheAtom pulled the same trick in an issue of ''JusticeLeagueOfAmerica'' back in 1963.

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* Comicbook/AntMan riding one of Comicbook/{{Hawkeye}}'s arrows is arguably one of the most iconic moments in ''[[Comicbook/TheAvengers Avengers]]'' history, and has been recreated in adaptations like ''WesternAnimation/AvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes'', ''VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom3'' and ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar''. However, DC actually beat Marvel to the punch on this, as GreenArrow Comicbook/GreenArrow and Comicbook/TheAtom pulled the same trick in an issue of ''JusticeLeagueOfAmerica'' ''Comicbook/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica'' back in 1963.
1st May '16 1:35:20 PM comicwriter
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* Comicbook/AntMan riding one of Comicbook/{{Hawkeye}}'s arrows is arguably one of the most iconic moments in ''[[Comicbook/TheAvengers Avengers]]'' history, and has been recreated in adaptations like ''WesternAnimation/AvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes'', ''VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom3'' and ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar''. However, DC actually beat Marvel to the punch on this, as GreenArrow and TheAtom pulled the same trick in an issue of ''Comicbook/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica'' back in 1963.

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* Comicbook/AntMan riding one of Comicbook/{{Hawkeye}}'s arrows is arguably one of the most iconic moments in ''[[Comicbook/TheAvengers Avengers]]'' history, and has been recreated in adaptations like ''WesternAnimation/AvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes'', ''VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom3'' and ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar''. However, DC actually beat Marvel to the punch on this, as GreenArrow and TheAtom Comicbook/TheAtom pulled the same trick in an issue of ''Comicbook/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica'' ''JusticeLeagueOfAmerica'' back in 1963.
1st May '16 8:40:45 AM comicwriter
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* Comicbook/AntMan riding one of Comicbook/{{Hawkeye}}'s arrows is arguably one of the most iconic moments in ''[[Comicbook/TheAvengers Avengers]]'' history, and has been recreated in adaptations like ''WesternAnimation/AvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes'', ''VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom3'' and ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar''. However, DC actually beat Marvel to the punch on this, as GreenArrow and TheAtom pulled the same trick in an issue of ''Comicbook/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica'' back in 1963.
14th Apr '16 5:16:48 PM comicwriter
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** There are some people who claimed Aldrich Killian from ''Film/IronMan3'' was a rip-off of Syndrome from ''The Incredibles'' because they both had similar StartOfDarkness moments. In reality, the "[[DisproportionateRetribution I'm a bad guy because the hero was a dick to me when we were younger]]" plot is a fairly standard stock supervillain origin, dating ''at least'' back to ComicBook/LexLuthor and Doctor Doom.

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** There are some people who claimed Aldrich Killian from ''Film/IronMan3'' was a rip-off of Syndrome from ''The Incredibles'' because they both had similar StartOfDarkness moments. In reality, the "[[DisproportionateRetribution I'm a bad guy because the hero was a dick to me when we were younger]]" plot is a fairly standard stock supervillain origin, dating ''at least'' back to ComicBook/LexLuthor and Doctor Doom.DoctorDoom.



* The Thing is often accused of being a ''[[Comicbook/IncredibleHulk Hulk]]'' ripoff, which is quite an accomplishment, seeing as how the Thing was created first -- by the ''[[JackKirby same]] [[Creator/StanLee people]]''.

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* The Thing from the is often accused of being a ''[[Comicbook/IncredibleHulk Hulk]]'' ripoff, which is quite an accomplishment, seeing as how the Thing was created first -- by the ''[[JackKirby same]] [[Creator/StanLee people]]''.



* Many people seem to think that ComicBook/{{Aquaman}} came before [[ComicBook/SubMariner Namor the Sub-Mariner]], even though Namor predated him by two years. This may be because Namor went out of print during UsefulNotes/TheInterregnum, while Aquaman held on as an ''Action Comics'' backup.

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* Many people seem to think that ComicBook/{{Aquaman}} came before [[ComicBook/SubMariner Namor the Sub-Mariner]], even though Namor predated him by two years. This may be because Namor went out of print during UsefulNotes/TheInterregnum, while Aquaman held on as an ''Action Comics'' backup. Even then, both characters are predated by the Shark, a similar aquatic hero who has since faded into obscurity.
13th Mar '16 11:08:59 AM nombretomado
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* OlderThanTelevision: Shuma-Gorath predates his appearances in the Comicbook/DoctorStrange and ConanTheBarbarian comics, all the way back to a mention in one of Creator/RobertEHoward's Kull stories. The story was published in the 1960s, but could not have been written later than the mid-30s. This is also a case of AdaptationDisplacement.

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* OlderThanTelevision: Shuma-Gorath predates his appearances in the Comicbook/DoctorStrange and ConanTheBarbarian ComicBook/ConanTheBarbarian comics, all the way back to a mention in one of Creator/RobertEHoward's Kull stories. The story was published in the 1960s, but could not have been written later than the mid-30s. This is also a case of AdaptationDisplacement.
5th Feb '16 12:22:21 PM StFan
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** Franchise/TheAvengers, or an Avengers-like team, is assembled by ComicBook/{{SHIELD}} to help stop villains instead of forming on its own. Sound familiar? Granted, it's regard by most fans as a DorkAge and hence most have chosen to forget about it, but ''ComicBook/HeroesReborn'', which saw print in 1996, was the first to use the concept of S.H.I.E.L.D. being the ones to bring together the Avengers, five years before ''ComicBook/TheUltimates'' did it and 16 years before ''Film/TheAvengers'' movie used it (and that was likely borrowed from ''The Ultimates'').

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** Franchise/TheAvengers, or an Avengers-like team, is assembled by ComicBook/{{SHIELD}} to help stop villains instead of forming on its own. Sound familiar? Granted, it's regard by most fans as a DorkAge and hence most have chosen to forget about it, but ''ComicBook/HeroesReborn'', which saw print in 1996, was the first to use the concept of S.H.I.E.L.D. being the ones to bring together the Avengers, five years before ''ComicBook/TheUltimates'' did it and 16 years before ''Film/TheAvengers'' ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'' movie used it (and that was likely borrowed from ''The Ultimates'').
3rd Feb '16 3:06:13 PM LondonKdS
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* A [[TheCape lovable, idealistic]] young Muslim female Marvel superhero whose family relationships are deliberately warm and supportive, in opposition to anti-Muslim stereotype, and who is an unashamed fangirl of the older-established Marvel heroes? Could be [[ComicBook/MsMarvel2014 Kamala Khan]], but before her it was [[ComicBook/CaptainBritainAndMI13 Faiza Hussain]].

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* A [[TheCape lovable, idealistic]] young South Asian Muslim female Marvel superhero whose family relationships are deliberately warm and supportive, in opposition to anti-Muslim stereotype, and who is an unashamed fangirl of the older-established Marvel heroes? Could be [[ComicBook/MsMarvel2014 Kamala Khan]], but before her it was [[ComicBook/CaptainBritainAndMI13 Faiza Hussain]].
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