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* Franchise/{{Batman}} uses a not-so-different Speech to try to reason with Catwoman near the end of ''Film/BatmanReturns'' in hopes of demonstrating that he understands her struggle with an alter ego that deliberately rejects hope for a happy life. Awareness that he is not so different from the Penguin as Batman and from Max Shreck as Bruce Wayne is also hinted at being his reason for taking his battles against them so personally.
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* Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse
** In the opening scene of ''Film/ManOfSteel'', Jor-El must cast the deciding vote on whether or not to send General Zod and his cohorts to the Phantom Zone for their crimes. Zod tries to convince Jor-El to [[WeCanRuleTogether join him]] by pointing out that Jor-El, like Zod, has also come into conflict with the rest of Krypton's council many times in the past. Jor-El responds by silently casting his vote in favor of banishment.
** In ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'', [[Comicbook/{{Superman}} Clark]] confronts [[Comicbook/{{Batman}} Bruce]], having just learned [[SecretIdentity he's Batman]], and, under the guise of an interview, [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech condemns Batman's violent vigilantism and that "he believes he's above the law"]]. Bruce [[DeadpanSnarker snarks]] back the similarity of how he sees Superman.
--->'''Bruce Wayne''': The Daily Planet criticizing those who think they're above the law is a little hypocritical, wouldn't you say? Considering every time your hero saves a cat out of a tree, you write a puff piece editorial about an alien who, if he wanted to, could burn the whole place down. There wouldn't be a damn thing we can do to stop it.
*** The second not so different moment is at the end of their fight, where Clark, about to be killed by Batman, begs Batman to save [[spoiler: Martha Kent, who's being held hostage by Comicbook/LexLuthor. While Clark calling out to save "Martha", makes Bruce [[HeroicBSOD stop]], since it's the same name as ''his'' mother, the not so different moment comes when Comicbook/LoisLane reveals that Clark's talking about his own mother]]. This strikes a chord with Bruce, [[spoiler: still badly affected by the [[DeathByOriginStory death of Martha Wayne]]]], allowing him to empathise with Clark, snapping the Dark Knight out of his UnstoppableRage and [[HeelRealization realise]] [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone just how far he's]] [[FallenHero fallen]].
** In ''Film/SuicideSquad2016'' Deadshot insists that Rick Flagg has more in common with him than he thinks, comparing the latter's work as a Black Ops agent to his own as a hit man. While Flagg rejects the notion initially, he is eventually forced to admit that the things he's doing for Waller are no better than any of Deadshot's assassination contracts.
** ''Film/WonderWoman2017'': Diana believes that humans in general are good and it's Ares who's corrupting them. When she meets him and he reveals just how little provocation they have needed to commit atrocities, she's faced with how, for all her idealism, she's not so different from [[KnightTemplar him]]: if she goes on thinking humans could not do such things if they are "[[AlwaysLawfulGood good]]", she'll have to agree with him that they are "[[AlwaysChaoticEvil evil]]". And they both originally set out to destroy the evil that led to the war.
** In the opening scene of ''Film/ManOfSteel'', Jor-El must cast the deciding vote on whether or not to send General Zod and his cohorts to the Phantom Zone for their crimes. Zod tries to convince Jor-El to [[WeCanRuleTogether join him]] by pointing out that Jor-El, like Zod, has also come into conflict with the rest of Krypton's council many times in the past. Jor-El responds by silently casting his vote in favor of banishment.
** In ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'', [[Comicbook/{{Superman}} Clark]] confronts [[Comicbook/{{Batman}} Bruce]], having just learned [[SecretIdentity he's Batman]], and, under the guise of an interview, [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech condemns Batman's violent vigilantism and that "he believes he's above the law"]]. Bruce [[DeadpanSnarker snarks]] back the similarity of how he sees Superman.
--->'''Bruce Wayne''': The Daily Planet criticizing those who think they're above the law is a little hypocritical, wouldn't you say? Considering every time your hero saves a cat out of a tree, you write a puff piece editorial about an alien who, if he wanted to, could burn the whole place down. There wouldn't be a damn thing we can do to stop it.
*** The second not so different moment is at the end of their fight, where Clark, about to be killed by Batman, begs Batman to save [[spoiler: Martha Kent, who's being held hostage by Comicbook/LexLuthor. While Clark calling out to save "Martha", makes Bruce [[HeroicBSOD stop]], since it's the same name as ''his'' mother, the not so different moment comes when Comicbook/LoisLane reveals that Clark's talking about his own mother]]. This strikes a chord with Bruce, [[spoiler: still badly affected by the [[DeathByOriginStory death of Martha Wayne]]]], allowing him to empathise with Clark, snapping the Dark Knight out of his UnstoppableRage and [[HeelRealization realise]] [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone just how far he's]] [[FallenHero fallen]].
** In ''Film/SuicideSquad2016'' Deadshot insists that Rick Flagg has more in common with him than he thinks, comparing the latter's work as a Black Ops agent to his own as a hit man. While Flagg rejects the notion initially, he is eventually forced to admit that the things he's doing for Waller are no better than any of Deadshot's assassination contracts.
** ''Film/WonderWoman2017'': Diana believes that humans in general are good and it's Ares who's corrupting them. When she meets him and he reveals just how little provocation they have needed to commit atrocities, she's faced with how, for all her idealism, she's not so different from [[KnightTemplar him]]: if she goes on thinking humans could not do such things if they are "[[AlwaysLawfulGood good]]", she'll have to agree with him that they are "[[AlwaysChaoticEvil evil]]". And they both originally set out to destroy the evil that led to the war.
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* Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse
** ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'' shows similarities between Tony Stark and Loki. Both are clever but have little idea how to fight beyond AttackAttackAttack. Both are narcissistic, {{Deadpan Snarker}}s, prone to self-destructive behavior and bitterly jealous of the [[Film/{{Thor}} blond]] [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger nobler]] teammate who [[WellDoneSonGuy their father liked better]]. The only real difference is that Tony learned the hard way to care for and rely upon others, while Loki did not. Tony himself says it best. [[spoiler:(A dual realization: That he was this trope to Loki and that Loki will use his Stark tower to summon the Chitauri.)]]
--->'''Stark:''' And Loki, he's a full-tilt diva, he wants flowers, he wants parades, he wants a monument built to the sky with his name plastered--\\
(''{{beat}}'')\\
'''Stark:''' [[ExplainExplainOhCrap Son of a bitch.]]
** ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'': After [[spoiler: Frigga's death]], Odin becomes determined to destroy the Dark Elves, no matter how many Asgardians have to be sacrificed, making him no better than [[BigBad Malekith]] and his WeHaveReserves mentality, something Thor is quick to call him out on. Odin, however, is so caught up in his desire for vengeance over [[spoiler:his wife's murder]] that he refuses to be swayed...which furthers the similarity because Malekith's motive is ''also'' revenge. And as a bonus, the rush to throw one's self headlong into battle, plus absolute confidence (however misplaced) that they ''will'' win no matter what, shows exactly how not so different father and son are.
--->'''Thor:''' [[ArmorPiercingQuestion Then how are you different from Malekith?]]\\
'''Odin:''' ''[bitter laughter]'' The difference, my son, is that '''[[MightMakesRight I will win]]'''.
** ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'':
*** One of those rare occasions when a villain has it pointed out ''to'' them. Ultron is... [[BerserkButton rather adamant]] on how he's nothing like Tony, and yet he's a snarky, drama queen narcissist with a shaky moral compass and a penchant for classic mad scientist cliches who has notable faculty with machines. Oh, and DaddyIssues. Lots and lots of daddy issues.
---->'''Wanda:''' Ultron can't tell the difference between saving the world and destroying it. Where do you think he gets that?
*** When Maria Hill says that the Maximoffs are crazy for willingly taking part in von Strucker's experiments to gain superpowers and protect their country. Cap retorts that he did the same thing back in the forties.
** ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol2'': Yondu Udonta confronts Rocket about his abrasive, antisocial tendencies and reveals that he too pushes away people he cares about due to his DarkAndTroubledPast. This has a payoff when [[spoiler: Rocket calls Yondu's old teammates, who'd banished him from their midst, to his funeral and they all honor him for his HeroicSacrifice. Rocket remarks that they forgave him even after he everything he'd done and comes to the realization that his own [[TrueCompanions team]] similarly care about him despite his violent and abrasive attitude.]]
** ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming'': When Peter Parker confronts Toomes (Vulture) and accuses him of being an illegal arms dealer selling high tech weaponry to the highest bidder, Toomes points out that Tony Stark started off as an arms dealer who sold high tech weaponry to the highest bidder as well.
** ''Film/ThorRagnarok'': Thor acknowledges that like him, [[spoiler:his sister]] Hela had been used by Odin, and then discarded when she became a liability. He sympathized with what she'd been through, but he was still looking to kill her because she was an insane mass murderer.
--->'''Hela:''' It seems [[spoiler:our father]]'s solution to every problem was to cover it up.\\
'''Thor:''' Or to cast it out. He told you you were worthy. [[BrokenPedestal He said the same to me.]]
** ''Film/{{Eternals}}'': After Kro [[spoiler:gains sentience and speech]], Druig remarks that Kro and the Deviants who follow him aren't all that different from the Eternals, who are supposed to hunt them to extinction. [[spoiler:Kro returns the sentiment later, saying that Eternals and Deviants are actually very similar: both are children of Arishem and tools of a god.]]
** ''Film/DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness'': 616-Strange encounters or learns of several multiversal alternates of himself who made questionable or downright bad decision, like Defender Strange attempting to kill America Chavez or [[spoiler:838-Strange becoming addicted to dreamwalking]]. He insists multiple times throughout the movie that those alternates are not him, but towards the end he admits he has the same flaws which led them down the wrong path.
** ''Film/ThorLoveAndThunder'':
*** Gorr plays this card while he has the hero trio captured. Like Thor, he couldn't save those he cared for; like Jane, he is being slowly killed by the very weapon empowering him; and like Valkyrie, he was abandoned by his god in his time of greatest need and lost everything he loved as a result.
*** Thor turns this around on Gorr, pointing out that both of them have been driven by a need for revenge due to losing what they loved. Killing the gods won't help Gorr deal with his loss, just as killing Thanos didn't help Thor. Reuniting with Jane finally helped Thor heal, [[spoiler:just as Gorr can finally heal if he uses his wish to revive his daughter rather than kill the gods]].
** ''Film/BlackPantherWakandaForever'':
*** Both Wakanda and Talokan are ancient, powerful civilizations which have used Vibranium to become mighty while also hiding from the outside world. Both are filled with happy, kind people people protected by those who will stop at nothing to keep them safe. A ForeverWar would snuff the spark out both of them, which is why [[spoiler: Shuri spared Namor in the end.]]
*** [[spoiler: Killmonger gives Shuri this during their encounter in the Ancestral Plane, stating how they both lost loved ones and are driven with a burning desire for revenge and retribution.]]
** ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'' shows similarities between Tony Stark and Loki. Both are clever but have little idea how to fight beyond AttackAttackAttack. Both are narcissistic, {{Deadpan Snarker}}s, prone to self-destructive behavior and bitterly jealous of the [[Film/{{Thor}} blond]] [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger nobler]] teammate who [[WellDoneSonGuy their father liked better]]. The only real difference is that Tony learned the hard way to care for and rely upon others, while Loki did not. Tony himself says it best. [[spoiler:(A dual realization: That he was this trope to Loki and that Loki will use his Stark tower to summon the Chitauri.)]]
--->'''Stark:''' And Loki, he's a full-tilt diva, he wants flowers, he wants parades, he wants a monument built to the sky with his name plastered--\\
(''{{beat}}'')\\
'''Stark:''' [[ExplainExplainOhCrap Son of a bitch.]]
** ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'': After [[spoiler: Frigga's death]], Odin becomes determined to destroy the Dark Elves, no matter how many Asgardians have to be sacrificed, making him no better than [[BigBad Malekith]] and his WeHaveReserves mentality, something Thor is quick to call him out on. Odin, however, is so caught up in his desire for vengeance over [[spoiler:his wife's murder]] that he refuses to be swayed...which furthers the similarity because Malekith's motive is ''also'' revenge. And as a bonus, the rush to throw one's self headlong into battle, plus absolute confidence (however misplaced) that they ''will'' win no matter what, shows exactly how not so different father and son are.
--->'''Thor:''' [[ArmorPiercingQuestion Then how are you different from Malekith?]]\\
'''Odin:''' ''[bitter laughter]'' The difference, my son, is that '''[[MightMakesRight I will win]]'''.
** ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'':
*** One of those rare occasions when a villain has it pointed out ''to'' them. Ultron is... [[BerserkButton rather adamant]] on how he's nothing like Tony, and yet he's a snarky, drama queen narcissist with a shaky moral compass and a penchant for classic mad scientist cliches who has notable faculty with machines. Oh, and DaddyIssues. Lots and lots of daddy issues.
---->'''Wanda:''' Ultron can't tell the difference between saving the world and destroying it. Where do you think he gets that?
*** When Maria Hill says that the Maximoffs are crazy for willingly taking part in von Strucker's experiments to gain superpowers and protect their country. Cap retorts that he did the same thing back in the forties.
** ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol2'': Yondu Udonta confronts Rocket about his abrasive, antisocial tendencies and reveals that he too pushes away people he cares about due to his DarkAndTroubledPast. This has a payoff when [[spoiler: Rocket calls Yondu's old teammates, who'd banished him from their midst, to his funeral and they all honor him for his HeroicSacrifice. Rocket remarks that they forgave him even after he everything he'd done and comes to the realization that his own [[TrueCompanions team]] similarly care about him despite his violent and abrasive attitude.]]
** ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming'': When Peter Parker confronts Toomes (Vulture) and accuses him of being an illegal arms dealer selling high tech weaponry to the highest bidder, Toomes points out that Tony Stark started off as an arms dealer who sold high tech weaponry to the highest bidder as well.
** ''Film/ThorRagnarok'': Thor acknowledges that like him, [[spoiler:his sister]] Hela had been used by Odin, and then discarded when she became a liability. He sympathized with what she'd been through, but he was still looking to kill her because she was an insane mass murderer.
--->'''Hela:''' It seems [[spoiler:our father]]'s solution to every problem was to cover it up.\\
'''Thor:''' Or to cast it out. He told you you were worthy. [[BrokenPedestal He said the same to me.]]
** ''Film/{{Eternals}}'': After Kro [[spoiler:gains sentience and speech]], Druig remarks that Kro and the Deviants who follow him aren't all that different from the Eternals, who are supposed to hunt them to extinction. [[spoiler:Kro returns the sentiment later, saying that Eternals and Deviants are actually very similar: both are children of Arishem and tools of a god.]]
** ''Film/DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness'': 616-Strange encounters or learns of several multiversal alternates of himself who made questionable or downright bad decision, like Defender Strange attempting to kill America Chavez or [[spoiler:838-Strange becoming addicted to dreamwalking]]. He insists multiple times throughout the movie that those alternates are not him, but towards the end he admits he has the same flaws which led them down the wrong path.
** ''Film/ThorLoveAndThunder'':
*** Gorr plays this card while he has the hero trio captured. Like Thor, he couldn't save those he cared for; like Jane, he is being slowly killed by the very weapon empowering him; and like Valkyrie, he was abandoned by his god in his time of greatest need and lost everything he loved as a result.
*** Thor turns this around on Gorr, pointing out that both of them have been driven by a need for revenge due to losing what they loved. Killing the gods won't help Gorr deal with his loss, just as killing Thanos didn't help Thor. Reuniting with Jane finally helped Thor heal, [[spoiler:just as Gorr can finally heal if he uses his wish to revive his daughter rather than kill the gods]].
** ''Film/BlackPantherWakandaForever'':
*** Both Wakanda and Talokan are ancient, powerful civilizations which have used Vibranium to become mighty while also hiding from the outside world. Both are filled with happy, kind people people protected by those who will stop at nothing to keep them safe. A ForeverWar would snuff the spark out both of them, which is why [[spoiler: Shuri spared Namor in the end.]]
*** [[spoiler: Killmonger gives Shuri this during their encounter in the Ancestral Plane, stating how they both lost loved ones and are driven with a burning desire for revenge and retribution.]]
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* In ''Film/SpiderMan1'', the [[BigBad Green Goblin's]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vng1P29QbX4 exchange]] to the title hero on a rooftop.
-->'''Green Goblin:''' You're an amazing creature, Spider-Man. You and I are not so different.\\
'''Spider-Man:''' I'm not like you. You're a murderer.\\
'''Green Goblin:''' Well, to each his own. I chose my path, you chose the way of the hero.
-->'''Green Goblin:''' You're an amazing creature, Spider-Man. You and I are not so different.\\
'''Spider-Man:''' I'm not like you. You're a murderer.\\
'''Green Goblin:''' Well, to each his own. I chose my path, you chose the way of the hero.
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* In ''Film/XMenFirstClass'':
** When Magneto confronts the villain Sebastian Shaw at the end:
--->'''Erik Lehnsherr:''' If you're in there, I'd like you to know that I agree with every word you said. We are the future. [[YouKilledMyFather But unfortunately, you killed my mother.]]
** Later when Xavier is shot and Erik/Magneto is speaking to him, the following conversation takes place:
--->'''Erik Lehnsherr:''' Us turning on each other, it's what they want. I tried to warn you, Charles. I want you by my side. We're brothers, you and I. All of us together, protecting each other. We want the same thing.\\
'''Charles Xavier:''' Oh, my friend, I'm sorry, but we do not.
** When Magneto confronts the villain Sebastian Shaw at the end:
--->'''Erik Lehnsherr:''' If you're in there, I'd like you to know that I agree with every word you said. We are the future. [[YouKilledMyFather But unfortunately, you killed my mother.]]
** Later when Xavier is shot and Erik/Magneto is speaking to him, the following conversation takes place:
--->'''Erik Lehnsherr:''' Us turning on each other, it's what they want. I tried to warn you, Charles. I want you by my side. We're brothers, you and I. All of us together, protecting each other. We want the same thing.\\
'''Charles Xavier:''' Oh, my friend, I'm sorry, but we do not.
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