History NightmareFuel / TheWheelOfTime

2nd Dec '17 10:31:24 PM RaineyH
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* [[spoiler:Jaichim Carridin]]'s execution in ''The Path of Daggers''. He had crossed the MoralEventHorizon several books ago, but having brandy forced down his throat until he drowned in it couldn't have been pleasant. [[spoiler:Falion Bhoda, recurring Black Ajah sister,]] being ForcedToWatch and threatened with the same fate earns her a little sympathy as well.


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** Not helped by the [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything (deliberate) parallels]] between the present-day Aiel and some Native American cultures...
19th Nov '17 12:28:00 PM RaineyH
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** Probably the worst (best?) example is from ''Lord of Chaos'', where Elayne, Siuan, and the leaders of the Salidar Aes Sedai stumble upon a nightmare of a Trolloc TortureCellar. Elayne manages to get everyone to work together to dispel it, at literally the last second (i.e. [[spoiler:just before her throat would have been cut]]).



* The Blight as shown in ''The Eye Of The World''. [[EverythingIsTryingToKillYou Everything there, even the plants, were trying to kill them.]] There are also these giant worms there that will kill anything in their path and are nigh indestructible. At a mountain pass, they give up the chase because [[TakeOurWordForIt they're afraid of the things that live in the pass]].

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* [[GardenOfEvil The Blight Blight]] as shown in ''The Eye Of The World''. [[EverythingIsTryingToKillYou Everything there, even the plants, were trying to kill them.]] There are also these giant worms there that will kill anything in their path and are nigh indestructible. At a mountain pass, they give up the chase because [[TakeOurWordForIt they're afraid of the things that live in the pass]].



** Unlike most of his colleagues, he continued to impact the world after being sealed at Shayol Ghul--the Trolloc Wars are the most glaring example, but the things he created have posed a constant threat along the Blightborder for ''three thousand years'', and have probably killed millions over that period. Oh, and he was also the one who developed the ''[[ImplacableMan gholam]]''.

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** Unlike most of his colleagues, he continued to impact the world after being sealed at Shayol Ghul--the Trolloc Wars are the most glaring example, but the things he created have posed a constant threat along the Blightborder for ''three thousand years'', and have probably killed millions over that period. Oh, and he was also the one who developed [[EldritchAbomination jumara/"Worms"]], as well as the ''[[ImplacableMan gholam]]''.
15th Nov '17 11:44:43 PM RaineyH
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** Her EstablishingCharacterMoment, where she [[spoiler:breaks an Aes Sedai by doing...whatever [[PowerPerversionPotential the opposite]] of ColdBloodedTorture is to her [[MindlinkMates Warder]]]], easily rivals anything involving ''damane'' or Hinderstap (see below) for "creepiest moment in the series." Arguably made worse by the coldness of both her POV and her motive: [[spoiler:to obtain information that will allow Aran'gar/Halima to infiltrate the Salidar Tower more easily]]. Her victims were small pieces in a much larger game, and it resulted in them being snatched up by the Shadow, used, and presumably disposed of without anyone the wiser.



*** [[ConditionedToAcceptHorror That's arguably worse.]]



** Unlike most of his colleagues, he continued to impact the world after being sealed at Shayol Ghul--the Trolloc Wars are the most glaring example, but the things he created have posed a constant threat along the Blightborder for ''three thousand years'', and have probably killed millions over that period. Oh, and he was also the one who developed the ''[[ImplacableMan gholam]]''.



* The sheer horrific level of what Forsaken have done are terrifying. Lanfear was known for her hobby of driving people to suicide using [[DreamLand Tel'aran'rhiod]]. Graendal brainwashed many people, mostly nobility, to adore and love her, making them like animals, then killed their children, boasting about her kindness. [[TortureTechnician Semirhage]]... well, read above. Ishamael, with his manipulations leading to the destruction of the biggest empire in the world also counts; and it without mentioning his goal of destroying the existense. He also drove [[WeUsedToBeFriends Lews Therin]] to suicide by revealing him that he killed his own family when he went mad. Mesaana conditioned children to be bullies and killers, and they were so notorious that they were remembered ''millenia'' after being destroyed. Demandred destroyed whole cities, if there was ''someone'' who had disrespected him. Feeding people to Trollocs, which was possibly done by all of them. The sheer level of their insanity and pettiness is ... unnerving, to say the least. [[ButForMeItWasTuesday And it's not even breakfast!]]

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* The sheer horrific level of what Forsaken have done are terrifying. Lanfear was known for her hobby of driving people to suicide using [[DreamLand Tel'aran'rhiod]]. Graendal brainwashed many people, mostly nobility, to adore and love her, making them like animals, then killed their children, boasting about her kindness. [[TortureTechnician Semirhage]]... well, read above. Ishamael, with his manipulations leading to the destruction of the biggest empire in the world (and the rise of [[TheEmpire another one]]) also counts; and it without mentioning his goal of destroying the existense.existence altogether. He also drove [[WeUsedToBeFriends Lews Therin]] to suicide by revealing him that he killed his own family when he went mad. Mesaana conditioned children to be bullies and killers, and they were so notorious that they were remembered ''millenia'' after being destroyed. Demandred destroyed whole cities, if there was ''someone'' who had disrespected him. Feeding people to Trollocs, which was possibly done by all of them. The sheer level of their insanity and pettiness is ... unnerving, to say the least. [[ButForMeItWasTuesday And it's not even breakfast!]]
27th Sep '17 4:28:50 PM Ciara25
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* How Seanchan treat ''damane'' and worse how the ''damane'' [[StockholmSyndrome end up liking it]].

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* How Seanchan treat ''damane'' and worse ''damane.'' And worse, how the ''damane'' [[StockholmSyndrome end up liking it]].it]]. To take just one example: Sheraine Caminelle was captured and collared by the Seanchan when they arrived at Falme and refused to cooperate, trying to kill herself by refusing to eat or drink. Tuon muses:
--> The ''der'sul'dam'' all had despaired, saying she would not live long, but now Mylen smiled up at Tuon and leaned forward to kiss her hand even before she reached to stroke the ''damane's'' dark hair. Once skin and bones, she was becoming a trifle plump. Instead of rebuking her, Catrona, who held her leash, let a smile crease her usually stern black face and murmured that Mylen was a perfect ''damane''. It was true, no one would believe now that she had once called herself Aes Sedai.
11th Jul '17 8:01:39 AM Ilya_Rysenkov
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* Semirhage, undisputed master of torture. Back in the day, she so terrified her ''jailors'' that they smuggled her to freedom themselves. Some of the atrocities committed by the other Forsaken and Darkfriends also qualify. Her captives desperately tried to committ suicide so not to fall in her hands.

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* Semirhage, undisputed master of torture. Back in the day, she so terrified her ''jailors'' that they smuggled her to freedom themselves. Some of the atrocities committed by the other Forsaken and Darkfriends also qualify. Her captives desperately tried to committ suicide so not to fall in her hands. Even her fellow Forsaken are afraid of her!



* Demandred, on the whole, is one of the less evil Forsaken. He's always calm and composed, ruthless but not particularly cruel, and is the only Forsaken to actually bother to treat his minions with a modicum of respect. [[spoiler: He even seems to believe that if he wins the Last Battle for the Dark One, he'll get put in charge of reshaping the world, and will therefore be able to protect it from the worst of the Dark One's excesses. WordOfGod even calls him a HeroOfAnotherStory in regards to his actions in Shara]]. There's just one little snag- he ''hates'' Lews Therin Telamon. Hates him more than anyone has ever hated anything, apparently. Hates him so much he's willing to topple empires, move armies, and risk TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt ''all to get at one man''. That level of hate is ''terrifying'', especially as it comes from someone who's nearly a NobleDemon otherwise.

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* Demandred, on the whole, is one of the less evil Forsaken. He's always calm and composed, ruthless but not particularly cruel, and is the only Forsaken to actually bother to treat his minions with a modicum of respect.respect, who in turn has great loyalty to him. [[spoiler: He even seems to believe that if he wins the Last Battle for the Dark One, he'll get put in charge of reshaping the world, and will therefore be able to protect it from the worst of the Dark One's excesses. WordOfGod even calls him a HeroOfAnotherStory in regards to his actions in Shara]]. There's just one little snag- snag - he ''hates'' Lews Therin Telamon. Hates him more than anyone has ever hated anything, apparently. Hates him so much he's willing to topple empires, move armies, and risk TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt ''all to get at one man''. That level of hate is ''terrifying'', especially as it comes from someone who's nearly a NobleDemon otherwise.



* The sheer horrific level of what Forsaken have done are terrifying. Lanfear was known for her hobby of driving people to suicide using [[DreamLand Tel'aran'rhiod]]. Graendal brainwashed many people, mostly nobility, to adore and love her, making them like animals, then killed their children, boasting about her kindness. [[TortureTechnician Semirhage]]... well, read above. Ishamael, with his manipulations leading to the destruction of the biggest empire in the world also counts; and it withoit mentioning his goal of destroying the exisyense. He also drove [[WeUsedToBeFriends Lews Therin]] to suicide by revealing him that he killed his own family when he went mad. Mesaana conditioned children to be bullies and killers, and they were so notorious that they were remembered ''millenia'' after being destroyed. Demandred destroyed whole cities, if there was ''someone'' who had disrespected him. Feeding people to Trollocs, which was possibly done by all of them. The sheer level of their insanity and pettiness is ... unnerving. [[ButForMeItWasTuesday And it's not even breakfast!]]

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* The sheer horrific level of what Forsaken have done are terrifying. Lanfear was known for her hobby of driving people to suicide using [[DreamLand Tel'aran'rhiod]]. Graendal brainwashed many people, mostly nobility, to adore and love her, making them like animals, then killed their children, boasting about her kindness. [[TortureTechnician Semirhage]]... well, read above. Ishamael, with his manipulations leading to the destruction of the biggest empire in the world also counts; and it withoit without mentioning his goal of destroying the exisyense.existense. He also drove [[WeUsedToBeFriends Lews Therin]] to suicide by revealing him that he killed his own family when he went mad. Mesaana conditioned children to be bullies and killers, and they were so notorious that they were remembered ''millenia'' after being destroyed. Demandred destroyed whole cities, if there was ''someone'' who had disrespected him. Feeding people to Trollocs, which was possibly done by all of them. The sheer level of their insanity and pettiness is ... unnerving.unnerving, to say the least. [[ButForMeItWasTuesday And it's not even breakfast!]]
12th Mar '17 11:48:35 PM Ilya_Rysenkov
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* The horrific deeds that Forsaken did are terrifying. Lanfear was known for her hobby of driving people to suicide using [[DreamLand Tel'aran'rhiod]]. Graendal brainwashed many people to adore and love her, making them like animals. [[TortureTechnician Semirhage]]... well, read above. Ishamael, with his manipulations leading to the destruction of the biggest empire in the world also counts. He also drove Lews Therin to suicide by revealing him that he killed his own family when he went mad. Mesaana conditioned children to be bullies and killers, and they were so notorious that they were remembered ''millenia'' after being destroyed. Feeding people to Trollocs, which was possibly done by all of them. The sheer level of their insanity and pettiness is ... unnerving. [[ButForMeItWasTuesday And it's not even breakfast!]]

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* The sheer horrific deeds that level of what Forsaken did have done are terrifying. Lanfear was known for her hobby of driving people to suicide using [[DreamLand Tel'aran'rhiod]]. Graendal brainwashed many people people, mostly nobility, to adore and love her, making them like animals.animals, then killed their children, boasting about her kindness. [[TortureTechnician Semirhage]]... well, read above. Ishamael, with his manipulations leading to the destruction of the biggest empire in the world also counts. counts; and it withoit mentioning his goal of destroying the exisyense. He also drove [[WeUsedToBeFriends Lews Therin Therin]] to suicide by revealing him that he killed his own family when he went mad. Mesaana conditioned children to be bullies and killers, and they were so notorious that they were remembered ''millenia'' after being destroyed. Demandred destroyed whole cities, if there was ''someone'' who had disrespected him. Feeding people to Trollocs, which was possibly done by all of them. The sheer level of their insanity and pettiness is ... unnerving. [[ButForMeItWasTuesday And it's not even breakfast!]]
24th Dec '16 1:14:01 AM rTicWolf
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* The horrific deeds that Forsaken did are terrifying. Lanfear was known for her hobby to drive people to suicide using [[DreamLand Tel'aran'rhiod]]. Graendal brainwashed many people to adore and love her, making them like animals. [[TortureTechnician Semirhage]]... well, read above. Ishamael, with his manipulaions leading to the destruction of the biggest empire in the world also counts. He also drove Lews Therin to suicide by revealing him that he killed his own family when he went mad. Mesaana conditioned children to be bullies and killers, and they were so notorius that they were remembered ''millenia'' after being destroyed. Feeding people to Trollocks, which was possibly done by all of them. The sheer level of their insanity and pettiness is ... unnerving. [[ButForMeItWasTuesday And it's not even breakfast!]]

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* The horrific deeds that Forsaken did are terrifying. Lanfear was known for her hobby to drive of driving people to suicide using [[DreamLand Tel'aran'rhiod]]. Graendal brainwashed many people to adore and love her, making them like animals. [[TortureTechnician Semirhage]]... well, read above. Ishamael, with his manipulaions manipulations leading to the destruction of the biggest empire in the world also counts. He also drove Lews Therin to suicide by revealing him that he killed his own family when he went mad. Mesaana conditioned children to be bullies and killers, and they were so notorius notorious that they were remembered ''millenia'' after being destroyed. Feeding people to Trollocks, Trollocs, which was possibly done by all of them. The sheer level of their insanity and pettiness is ... unnerving. [[ButForMeItWasTuesday And it's not even breakfast!]]
24th Dec '16 1:09:16 AM rTicWolf
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* Semirhage, undisputed master of torture. Back in the day, she so terrified her ''jailors'' that they smuggled her to freedom themselves. Some of the atrocities committed by the other Forsaken and Darkfriends also qualify. Her captives desperatel tried to committ suicide so not to fall in her hands.

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* Semirhage, undisputed master of torture. Back in the day, she so terrified her ''jailors'' that they smuggled her to freedom themselves. Some of the atrocities committed by the other Forsaken and Darkfriends also qualify. Her captives desperatel desperately tried to committ suicide so not to fall in her hands.
28th Nov '16 12:31:37 PM GunarmDyne
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* The scenes where Rand is going through the test at Rhuidean. Not because of the revelations themselves (which are {{Tear Jerker}}s), but because of the fact that the Aiel man who got there before him becomes increasingly overwhelmed and unhinged by the revelations, to the point where Rand eventually sees him clawing out his own eyes and chewing up his own tongue.

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* The scenes where Rand is going through the test at Rhuidean. Not because of the revelations themselves (which are {{Tear Jerker}}s), but because of the fact that the Aiel man who got there before him becomes increasingly overwhelmed and unhinged by the revelations, to the point where Rand eventually sees him clawing out his own eyes and chewing up his own tongue. Doubles as a TearJerker when Rand knows he won't be coming back out of the gate and leaves him behind, yet we never learn exactly what happens to him or his body.
18th Apr '16 11:58:09 AM Ilya_Rysenkov
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* The horrific deeds that Forsaken did are terrifying. Lanfear was known for her hobby to drive people to suicide using [[DreamLand Tel'aran'rhiod]]. Graendal brainwashed many people to adore and love her, making them like animals. [[TortureTechnician Semirhage]]... well, read above. Ishamael, with his manipulaions leading to the destruction of the biggest empire also counts. He drove Lews Therin to suicide by revealing him that he killed his own family when he went mad. Mesaana conditioned children to be bullies and killers, and they were so notorius that they were remembered ''millenia'' after being destroyed. [[ButForMeItWasTuesday And it's not even breakfast!]]

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* The horrific deeds that Forsaken did are terrifying. Lanfear was known for her hobby to drive people to suicide using [[DreamLand Tel'aran'rhiod]]. Graendal brainwashed many people to adore and love her, making them like animals. [[TortureTechnician Semirhage]]... well, read above. Ishamael, with his manipulaions leading to the destruction of the biggest empire in the world also counts. He also drove Lews Therin to suicide by revealing him that he killed his own family when he went mad. Mesaana conditioned children to be bullies and killers, and they were so notorius that they were remembered ''millenia'' after being destroyed. Feeding people to Trollocks, which was possibly done by all of them. The sheer level of their insanity and pettiness is ... unnerving. [[ButForMeItWasTuesday And it's not even breakfast!]]
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