History NightmareFuel / GhostStory

15th Oct '14 11:40:16 AM Alxiz
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** I think Uriel explains it in a later book. Mab says what ''she believes'' is true. Mab ''can'' be wrong. If she truly believed that "two plus two is five", then she can say it with no problems.

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** I think Uriel explains it in a later book. Mab says what ''she believes'' is true. Mab ''can'' be wrong. If With her experience, she truly believed believes [[spoiler: that "two plus two is five", then one day, she can say it with no problems.bend Harry to her will,]] so in her mind she is telling the truth. [[spoiler: Uriel says "Lies"]] not because Mab is literally lying, but because she's ''wrong''; therefore what she's saying is false.
15th Oct '14 11:35:59 AM Alxiz
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** All the Sidhe can lie in that manner. They can't deliberately speak a falsehood, but they're still masters of deception and misleading truths. A lie of omission isn't a problem -- that's why asking questions of a Sidhe is so dangerous. Everything Mab ''says'' is true. (Harry even confirms as much -- that she can make him do things, mess with his head, or alter his memories -- and he can't prevent her, he can only be a huge pain after he figures it out.) But she never says it'll be easy, or predictable work to shape him, or that she can change him outright.

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** All the Sidhe can lie in that manner. They can't deliberately speak a falsehood, but they're still masters of deception and misleading truths. A lie of omission isn't a problem -- that's why asking questions of a Sidhe is so dangerous. Everything Mab ''says'' is true. (Harry even confirms as much -- that she can make him do things, mess with his head, or alter his memories -- and he can't prevent her, he can only be a huge pain after he figures it out.) But she never says it'll be easy, or predictable work to shape him, or that she can change him outright.outright.
** I think Uriel explains it in a later book. Mab says what ''she believes'' is true. Mab ''can'' be wrong. If she truly believed that "two plus two is five", then she can say it with no problems.
6th Jul '14 9:39:22 PM VioletStrange
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* This one in only nightmarish in hindsight, after reading Cold Days, but when [[spoiler: Uriel tells Harry, "Lies. Mab cannot change who you are"]] he implies that [[spoiler: ''Mab can lie''.]] It may just be sloppy writing, but if it is a Chekov's gun, then in light of Cold Days it should be utterly ''terrifying.''

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* This one in only nightmarish in hindsight, after reading Cold Days, but when [[spoiler: Uriel tells Harry, "Lies. Mab cannot change who you are"]] he implies that [[spoiler: ''Mab can lie''.]] It may just be sloppy writing, but if it is a Chekov's gun, then in light of Cold Days it should be utterly ''terrifying.''''
** All the Sidhe can lie in that manner. They can't deliberately speak a falsehood, but they're still masters of deception and misleading truths. A lie of omission isn't a problem -- that's why asking questions of a Sidhe is so dangerous. Everything Mab ''says'' is true. (Harry even confirms as much -- that she can make him do things, mess with his head, or alter his memories -- and he can't prevent her, he can only be a huge pain after he figures it out.) But she never says it'll be easy, or predictable work to shape him, or that she can change him outright.
4th Jul '14 5:17:50 PM ASHDEVIL
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* Harry's eventual fate if he failed to find his [[spoiler: killer]]: to watch from the shadows as the people he cared about lived and died, [[AndIMustScream and be powerless to do anything.]] [[spoiler: That he's running around in his immortal soul during this only makes it worse.]]

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* Harry's eventual fate if he failed to find his [[spoiler: killer]]: to watch from the shadows as the people he cared about lived and died, [[AndIMustScream and be powerless to do anything.]] [[spoiler: That he's running around in his immortal soul during this only makes it worse.]]]]
* This one in only nightmarish in hindsight, after reading Cold Days, but when [[spoiler: Uriel tells Harry, "Lies. Mab cannot change who you are"]] he implies that [[spoiler: ''Mab can lie''.]] It may just be sloppy writing, but if it is a Chekov's gun, then in light of Cold Days it should be utterly ''terrifying.''
31st Mar '14 8:18:00 AM SharleeD
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** That one's even worse if you consider that ''she probably didn't make that one up''. It's exactly what happened to Molly herself in ''Proven Guilty'', so it's most likely her own memory of the fetches that she "gave" Will, not an invented image.

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** That one's even worse if you consider that ''she probably didn't make that one the picture up''. It's exactly what happened to Molly herself in ''Proven Guilty'', so it's most likely her own memory of the fetches that she "gave" Will, not an invented image.
31st Mar '14 8:17:39 AM SharleeD
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** That one's even worse if you consider that ''she probably didn't make that one up''. It's exactly what happened to Molly herself in ''Proven Guilty'', so it's most likely her own memory of the fetches that she "gave" Will, not an invented image.
12th Jul '13 7:31:49 PM CenturionsofRome
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*Harry's eventual fate if he failed to find his [[spoiler: killer]]: to watch from the shadows as the people he cared about lived and died, [[AndIMustScream and be powerless to do anything.]] [[spoiler: That he's running around in his immortal soul during this only makes it worse.]]
9th Jul '13 6:16:39 PM chipbloch
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** And when you consider everything that Harry's described in previous books, it's cringe-worthy to imagine what he didn't want to tell us.
4th Jul '13 5:02:37 PM Discar
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** The worst part of it wasn't seeing her in action so much as the way she described it. That it was ''easy'' to [[spoiler: setup small illusions that would end with people killing each other.]] The same way [[spoiler: it was ''easy'' to help Rosie and Nelson way back during the Proven Guilty casefile.]]
** And Will describing the results of the intervention
-->'''Will:'''' "I've got a picture in my head of being dragged off into the Nevernever by monsters that I ''still'' can't get rid of. When she gave it to me, all I could do was curl up into a ball and scream."

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** The worst part of it wasn't seeing her in action so much as the way she described it. That it was ''easy'' to [[spoiler: setup set up small illusions that would end with people killing each other.]] other]]. The same way [[spoiler: it was ''easy'' to help Rosie and Nelson way back during the Proven Guilty casefile.]]
Literature/ProvenGuilty casefile]].
** And Will describing the results of the intervention
-->'''Will:'''' "I've
intervention.
-->'''Will:''' I've
got a picture in my head of being dragged off into the Nevernever by monsters that I ''still'' can't get rid of. When she gave it to me, all I could do was curl up into a ball and scream."
4th Jul '13 4:59:06 PM ReaderAt2046
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'''Will:'''' "I've got a picture in my head of being dragged off into the Nevernever by monsters that I ''still'' can't get rid of. When she gave it to me, all I could do was curl up into a ball and scream."

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'''Will:'''' -->'''Will:'''' "I've got a picture in my head of being dragged off into the Nevernever by monsters that I ''still'' can't get rid of. When she gave it to me, all I could do was curl up into a ball and scream."
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