History NightmareFuel / Berserk

29th Jan '18 10:35:52 PM InquisitiveCrab
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* The second time Guts used the Berserker Armor, Guts greatly overestimates his ability to control it, resulting in him ''barely'' avoiding splattering all his friends. And only because the moonlight boy intervenes. Guts had lost control completely. The really scary part is thinking about the potential aftermath of this: it would probably result in Guts ''never'' being able to escape the armor's grip, randomly killing anything that moves until he dies or turns into another Skull Knight.

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* The second time Guts used the Berserker Armor, Guts greatly overestimates his ability to control it, resulting in him ''barely'' ''' avoiding splattering all his friends. And only because the moonlight boy intervenes. Guts had lost control completely. The really scary part is thinking about the potential aftermath of this: it would probably result in Guts ''never'' being able to escape the armor's grip, randomly killing anything that moves until he dies or turns into another Skull Knight.


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* Anyone familiar with the patterns of the series should know by now that whenever things look up for our heroes, ''shit hits the fan'' '''''HARD'''''.
22nd Jan '18 12:20:29 AM Agent_B
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** The massive bird-like creature that guards the final fragment of Casca's mind. It looks disturbingly like a dark version of the large white falcon Griffith is usually symbolically portrayed as. Shierke's assessment that it must be stronger than any other creature encountered thus far is spot on as well, as it effortlessly tears through her golem with its talons. It then proceeds to pick up the casket and Guts with the intent of having them drop from height to their deaths. The creature is powerful enough to force Dog-Guts into [[spoiler: donning the Berserker armor]].

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** The massive bird-like creature that guards the final fragment of Casca's mind. It looks disturbingly like a dark version of the large white falcon hawk Griffith is usually symbolically portrayed as. Shierke's assessment that it must be stronger than any other creature encountered thus far is spot on as well, as it effortlessly tears through her golem with its talons. It then proceeds to pick up the casket and Guts with the intent of having them drop from height to their deaths. The creature is powerful enough to force Dog-Guts into [[spoiler: donning the Berserker armor]].
31st Dec '17 6:50:46 PM Dravencour
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** It gets better. Guts had that flashback because when he was doing Casca from behind, the position that he had her in was quite reminiscent of the position that Donovan had ''him'' in -- meaning in short that he was seeing things ''through the eyes of the fucker that raped him''. This sparked some very deep self-loathing in Guts, such that he was trying to strangle what he thought was his past-self to death before he snapped out of it and truth of what he was actually doing and who he was actually doing it to was revealed.

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** It gets better. Guts had that flashback because when he was doing Casca from behind, the position that he had her in was quite reminiscent of the position that Donovan had ''him'' in -- meaning in short that he was seeing things ''through the eyes of the fucker that raped him''. This sparked some very deep self-loathing in Guts, such that he was trying to strangle what he thought was his past-self to death before he snapped out of it and the truth of what he was actually doing and who he was actually doing it to was revealed.
31st Dec '17 6:48:54 PM Dravencour
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** It gets better. Guts had that flashback because when he was doing Casca from behind, the position that he had her in was quite reminiscent of the position that Donovan had ''him'' in -- meaning in short that he was seeing things ''through the eyes of the fucker that raped him''. This sparked some very deep self-loathing in Guts, such that he was trying to strangle what he saw as his past-self to death before the truth of what he was actually doing was revealed.

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** It gets better. Guts had that flashback because when he was doing Casca from behind, the position that he had her in was quite reminiscent of the position that Donovan had ''him'' in -- meaning in short that he was seeing things ''through the eyes of the fucker that raped him''. This sparked some very deep self-loathing in Guts, such that he was trying to strangle what he saw as thought was his past-self to death before the he snapped out of it and truth of what he was actually doing and who he was actually doing it to was revealed.
31st Dec '17 6:47:09 PM Dravencour
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** It gets better. Guts had that flashback because when he was doing Casca from behind, the position that he had her in was quite reminiscent of the position that Donovan had ''him'' in -- meaning in short that he was seeing things ''through the eyes of the fucker that raped him''. This sparked some very deep self-loathing in Guts, such that he was trying to strangle what he saw as his past-self to death before the truth of what he was actually doing was revealed.
31st Dec '17 6:37:21 PM Dravencour
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* As the Hawks go into the Tower of Rebirth to rescue Griffith, Princess Charlotte mentions how Emperor Gaiseric, the founder of the kingdom, was cast down along with his great city by four angels sent by God, and that the remains of the great city could be found in the deepest part of the Tower. And then we get a good look down below when Casca accidentally drops her torch down there, where it lands in a pile of the skeletons of the ancient dead. ''All of whom have the Brand of Sacrifice burned into their skulls''. Just what the hell happened all those years ago, and which of the God Hand ascended from this event?


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* Rickert's group were all waiting excitedly for Griffith's return. Unfortunately, Rosine and the Count had other plans, and horrifically slaughtered pretty much everyone except poor Rickert, who would have been slaughtered too if not for the intervention of the Skull Knight.
25th Dec '17 9:49:57 PM Dravencour
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* Despite all its adaptation faults, ''Anime/Berserk1997'' manages to give the Eclipse a completely new tone, very different from the manga and movies. Unlike them, the anime could believably look at first like a series about a mercenary warrior in a world very similar to our Middle Ages, without any shadowy overtone lurking at its back. The opening sequence only shows Guts in his pre-Eclipse look, the episodes are slow-paced and focuse on the characters and their human struggles, and most of the manga's supernatural/bizarre elements (the female Apostle, Puck, the Count, Wyald, the Bakiraka, the Skull Knight and the Baron of Koka if the viewer missed the first episode) are extricated, so it's easy for a casual viewer to think that Zodd was a random fantasy cliché monster, that the Behelit is just a weird amulet, and that there are no problems in the setting which cannot be solved by Guts's sword or Griffith's smarts. Then the Eclipse happens almost out of nowhere and, surprise, things CAN turn bad beyond any hope for our beloved characters after all. Their world happens to be ruled by a pantheon of near-omnipotent evil gods who not only turn the Band of the Hawk in a monster food buffet, but also turn one of our heroes into one of their kind, who proceeds to horribly betray his friends and rape the female lead. And if that's not enough, the Eclipse sequence ends fading to black in its most horrible climax, and the next and last thing we see, a surviving Guts going to a presumable quest for revenge, is set after an unknown amount of time. We end up without any explanation of how he survived the carnage, what ultimately became of Casca or simply ''what the hell happened''.

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* Despite all its adaptation faults, ''Anime/Berserk1997'' manages to give the Eclipse a completely new tone, very different from the manga and movies. Unlike them, the anime could believably look at first like a series about a mercenary warrior in a world very similar to our Middle Ages, without any shadowy overtone lurking at its back. The opening sequence only shows Guts in his pre-Eclipse look, the episodes are slow-paced and focuse on the characters and their human struggles, and most of the manga's supernatural/bizarre elements (the female Apostle, Puck, the Count, Wyald, the Bakiraka, the Skull Knight and the Baron of Koka if the viewer missed the first episode) are extricated, so it's easy for a casual viewer to think that Zodd was a random fantasy cliché monster, that the Behelit is just a weird amulet, and that there are no problems in the setting which cannot be solved by Guts's sword or Griffith's smarts. Then the Eclipse happens almost out of nowhere and, surprise, things CAN turn bad beyond any hope for our beloved characters after all. Their world happens to be ruled by a pantheon of near-omnipotent evil gods who not only turn the Band of the Hawk in a into an all-you-can-eat monster food buffet, but also turn one of our heroes into one of their kind, who proceeds to horribly betray his friends and rape the female lead. And if that's not enough, the Eclipse sequence ends fading to black in its most horrible climax, and the next and last thing we see, a surviving Guts going to a presumable quest for revenge, is set after an unknown amount of time. We end up without any explanation of how he Guts survived the carnage, what ultimately became of Casca or simply ''what the hell happened''.
25th Dec '17 9:47:52 PM Dravencour
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* The Egg of the Perfect World collecting human bodies as part of his garden, including a huge symbol of the church decorated with flayed human skins. Not to mention the Egg himself, who looks like Humpty Dumpty if he were designed by Pablo Picasso and Tim Burton.

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* The Egg of the Perfect World collecting human bodies as part of his garden, including a huge symbol of the church decorated with flayed human skins. Not to mention the Egg himself, who looks like nothing less than a giant living Behelit, Humpty Dumpty if he were designed by Pablo Picasso and Tim Burton.
25th Dec '17 9:46:36 PM Dravencour
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* The beginning of the Chapter of the Binding Chain, which introduces the Beast of Darkness proper. The evil spirits have not let up in their torment of Guts, telling him about how he will soon become like them and become a monster.



* The plague sequence that begins the Chapter of the Birth Ceremony, particularly the scene where the rats carrying the plague converge into the form of Conrad, the God Hand presumably responsible for spreading it.



* During the second Eclipse, when Griffith is reborn, we see Guts get up after the tower has crumbled into a hand-shaped edifice. He is alone. He looks down. His facial expression changes to awe and terror. On the next page, the refugee camps are shown. With a HUGE Sacrifice symbol made up from all the campfires running across them.

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* During the second Eclipse, when Griffith is reborn, we see Guts get up after the tower has crumbled into a hand-shaped edifice.edifice disturbingly reminiscent of the ginormous hand from the first Eclipse. He is alone. He looks down. His facial expression changes to awe and terror. On the next page, the refugee camps are shown. With a HUGE Sacrifice symbol made up from all the campfires burning huts and houses running across them.



** It's disturbingly implied that Guts has InLoveWithYourCarnage toward insane Casca when he finds her naked and soaked in the blood of the men who tried to gang-rape her after she killed all of them. Various panel shots have the MaleGaze over Casca's body, and it's implicated that despite the disturbing scenario of both Casca's insanity and her near-assault, Guts is turned on by this display (possibly due to years of being desensitized to violence and being emotionally depraved after so much trauma), which leads him to nearly rape Casca himself soon after finding her. Guts just barely stops himself from going through, but it leaves him SEVERELY fucked up and EXTREMELY aware how far off the deep end he's been going.

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** It's disturbingly implied that Guts has InLoveWithYourCarnage toward insane Casca when he finds her naked and soaked in the blood of the men who tried to gang-rape her after she killed all of them. Various panel shots have the MaleGaze over Casca's body, and it's implicated that despite the disturbing scenario of both Casca's insanity and her near-assault, Guts is turned on by this display (possibly due to years of being desensitized to violence and being emotionally depraved deprived after so much trauma), which leads him to nearly rape Casca himself soon after finding her. Guts just barely stops himself from going through, but it leaves him SEVERELY fucked up and EXTREMELY aware how far off the deep end he's been going.
25th Dec '17 9:30:12 PM Dravencour
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*** Still not as bad as when it happened again in the refugee camp, which led to children being eaten alive by their own parents.

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*** Still not as bad as when it happened again in the refugee camp, which led to children being eaten alive by their own parents.parents when they got possessed and turned into monsters.
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