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8th Feb '16 12:37:20 PM Sapphirea2
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** Donna was absolutely right that Doctor needs a companion as a MoralityChain. What happens to the Doctor when a companion is [[killed thanks to a Senseless Sacrifice]], as in "Face the Raven", and he is immediately imprisoned in a torture chamber, all alone save for the MonsterOfTheWeek, in "Heaven Sent"? In "Hell Bent", the Doctor becomes TheUnfettered WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds willing to risk the destruction of the universe just to [[spoiler: save Clara from her death]], again changing a fixed moment in time. The moment of truth comes when he intends to [[spoiler: Mind Rape Clara of all memories of him, to protect her from his enemies]] -- will he go through with it and lose all hope of redemption? As it turns out, no, and he not only repents for going too far but accepts not only [[spoiler: losing her for good]] but also [[spoiler: being Mind Raped himself and thus losing his memories of her]] as just punishment on his way to returning to his best self.
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** Donna was absolutely right that Doctor needs a companion as a MoralityChain. What happens to the Doctor when a companion is [[killed [[spoiler: killed thanks to a Senseless Sacrifice]], as Sacrifice]] in "Face the Raven", Raven" and he is immediately imprisoned in a torture chamber, all alone save for the MonsterOfTheWeek, in "Heaven Sent"? In "Hell Bent", the Doctor becomes TheUnfettered WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds willing to risk the destruction of the universe just to [[spoiler: save Clara from her death]], again changing a fixed moment in time. The moment of truth comes when he intends to [[spoiler: Mind Rape Clara of all memories of him, to protect her from his enemies]] -- will he go through with it and lose all hope of redemption? As it turns out, no, and he not only repents for going too far but accepts not only [[spoiler: losing her for good]] but also [[spoiler: being Mind Raped himself and thus losing his memories of her]] as just punishment on his way to returning to his best self.
8th Feb '16 12:36:43 PM Sapphirea2
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** ''The Doctor'' nearly crossed this in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E16TheWatersOfMars "The Waters of Mars"]]:when he decides to save Adelaide without respect to time laws and possible catastrophes. He does it very smugly, not at all caring about Adelaide's worries when she pulls What the Hell, Hero? on him. Only her suicide [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone leads him to remorse]] and averts it. Keep in mind that it was a fixed point. The whole universe could have been destroyed. *** Donna was absolutely right that Doctor needs a companion as a MoralityChain.
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** ''The Doctor'' '''The Doctor''' nearly crossed this in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E16TheWatersOfMars "The Waters of Mars"]]:when he decides to save Adelaide without respect to time laws and possible catastrophes. He does it very smugly, not at all caring about Adelaide's worries when she pulls What the Hell, Hero? on him. Only her suicide [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone leads him to remorse]] and averts it. Keep in mind that it was a fixed point. The whole universe could have been destroyed. *** ** Donna was absolutely right that Doctor needs a companion as a MoralityChain.MoralityChain. What happens to the Doctor when a companion is [[killed thanks to a Senseless Sacrifice]], as in "Face the Raven", and he is immediately imprisoned in a torture chamber, all alone save for the MonsterOfTheWeek, in "Heaven Sent"? In "Hell Bent", the Doctor becomes TheUnfettered WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds willing to risk the destruction of the universe just to [[spoiler: save Clara from her death]], again changing a fixed moment in time. The moment of truth comes when he intends to [[spoiler: Mind Rape Clara of all memories of him, to protect her from his enemies]] -- will he go through with it and lose all hope of redemption? As it turns out, no, and he not only repents for going too far but accepts not only [[spoiler: losing her for good]] but also [[spoiler: being Mind Raped himself and thus losing his memories of her]] as just punishment on his way to returning to his best self.
31st Jan '16 9:38:09 AM ryanasaurus0077
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** Even Simmons crosses it, believe it or not, when she [[spoiler:attempts to frag Ward with a cheap shot and in doing so ends up disintegrating Bakshi; she even admits that she'd try to kill Ward again given the opportunity]]. Not only does Ward criticize it as something the Simmons he knew never would've even ''thought'' of doing such a thing, it marks a major change in her character foreshadowed by several dark moments involving her (up to and including death threats and even advocating genocide) earlier in the second season as she abandons the "totally nonviolent" characterization that had defined her up to that point. ** Gideon Malick subjecting his own HYDRA men to the Terrigen fish oil pills without them knowing so either those who were InHuman would have powers or those who didn't would die, as awful as it is, nearly having the nuclear missile destroy New York in ''The Avengers'' while on the World Council puts his crossing long before he was even on the show.
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** Even Simmons crosses it, believe it or not, when she [[spoiler:attempts to frag Ward with a cheap shot and in doing so ends up disintegrating Bakshi; she even admits that she'd try to kill Ward again given the opportunity]]. Not only does Ward criticize it as something the Simmons he knew never would've even ''thought'' of doing such a thing, doing, it marks a major change in her character foreshadowed by several dark moments involving her (up to and including death threats and even advocating genocide) earlier in the second season as she abandons the "totally nonviolent" characterization that had defined her up to that point. ** Gideon Malick subjecting his own HYDRA men to the Terrigen fish oil pills without them knowing so either those who were InHuman would have powers or those who didn't would die, at least in-series. But as awful as it ''that'' is, nearly having the nuclear missile destroy New York in ''The Avengers'' while on the World Council puts his crossing long before he was even on the show.
30th Jan '16 11:05:42 PM tsstevens
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** Buffy herself because of her actions in ''Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS7E15GetItDone'' caused some fans to be so disgusted that she was beyond redemption. Such a view is pretty universal in regards to [[TheScrappy Kennedy]] for the same reasons who is utterly loathed by pretty much all of the fanbase, and considered completely irredeemable.
28th Jan '16 12:19:13 PM futuremoviewriter
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Agents of SHIELD
** As awful as subjecting his own HYDRA men to the Terrigen fish oil pills so either those who were InHuman would have powers or those who didn't would die, Gideon Malick nearly having the nuclear missile destroy New York in ''The Avengers'' while on the World Council puts his crossing long before he was even on the show.
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** As awful as Gideon Malick subjecting his own HYDRA men to the Terrigen fish oil pills without them knowing so either those who were InHuman would have powers or those who didn't would die, Gideon Malick as awful as it is, nearly having the nuclear missile destroy New York in ''The Avengers'' while on the World Council puts his crossing long before he was even on the show.
28th Jan '16 12:14:59 PM futuremoviewriter
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Agents of SHIELD
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*** If that didn't do it, Ward either [[spoiler:shooting and killing Rosalind Price to bait Coulson]] or personally [[spoiler:torturing Simmons out of anger and desperation]] might have.

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** As awful as subjecting his own HYDRA men to the Terrigen fish oil pills so either those who were InHuman would have powers or those who didn't would die, Gideon Malick nearly having the nuclear missile destroy New York in ''The Avengers'' while on the World Council puts his crossing long before he was even on the show.
15th Jan '16 1:22:40 PM Cindylover1969
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** Meg Abbott, who by season two is in charge of her chapter of the Guilty Remnant, pretty much crosses it herself in "Ten Thirteen" by not only [[spoiler: trapping the children on a schoolbus with a grenade inside, even though it's a dud (the GR, for all their sins, never go after kids and don't attack people unprovoked)]] but also [[spoiler: having a guy who wandered onto the compound outside Jarden stoned to death simply for being there, even though he didn't see anything and has no idea what her plan is]]. And in "I Live Here Now" she goes even further across it by [[spoiler: having all the people hanging around Miracle break in and trash the town, for no apparent reason other than to punish them because she didn't get what she wanted from visiting.]]
2nd Jan '16 5:51:30 PM nombretomado
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* ''SonnyWithAChance'': In a 2-part episode, Penelope crosses this by [[spoiler: framing Sonny for stealing, accusing her of plagarism, turning her friends against her, getting her booted off So Random, leaving Chad, Nico and Grady in a plane in a stormy sky without any parachutes]], and for the icing on the cake, [[spoiler: tries to kill Sonny with a bomb]], all this because Sonny loved Chad. * ''SonsOfAnarchy'': Jax Teller's attempt to create a permanent break with girlfriend Tara by [[spoiler: sleeping with porn starlet Ima]] served as a Moral Event Horizon for many. Regardless of his reasons or if he begs for forgiveness in the future, it's hard to believe Tara could ever forgive him. Too, while fans may be able to accept a Jax who kills people, runs guns and sometimes drugs and generally walks on the wrong side of the law, [[spoiler: blatant infidelity]] is an irredeemable act. * ''{{Spooks}}'': In series 9, we've been treated to watching [[spoiler: Lucas']] life falling to pieces as he tries to keep his shady past a secret in the face of ever-increasing blackmail from [[spoiler: Vaughn]], but he crossed the Moral Event Horizon fully in episode 6 when he [[spoiler: hangs up a 999 call when Daniella lets slip she knows about Albany, sentencing her to bleed to death as he lies about the ambulances being on their way]].
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* ''SonnyWithAChance'': ''Series/SonnyWithAChance'': In a 2-part episode, Penelope crosses this by [[spoiler: framing Sonny for stealing, accusing her of plagarism, turning her friends against her, getting her booted off So Random, leaving Chad, Nico and Grady in a plane in a stormy sky without any parachutes]], and for the icing on the cake, [[spoiler: tries to kill Sonny with a bomb]], all this because Sonny loved Chad. * ''SonsOfAnarchy'': ''Series/SonsOfAnarchy'': Jax Teller's attempt to create a permanent break with girlfriend Tara by [[spoiler: sleeping with porn starlet Ima]] served as a Moral Event Horizon for many. Regardless of his reasons or if he begs for forgiveness in the future, it's hard to believe Tara could ever forgive him. Too, while fans may be able to accept a Jax who kills people, runs guns and sometimes drugs and generally walks on the wrong side of the law, [[spoiler: blatant infidelity]] is an irredeemable act. * ''{{Spooks}}'': ''Series/{{Spooks}}'': In series 9, we've been treated to watching [[spoiler: Lucas']] life falling to pieces as he tries to keep his shady past a secret in the face of ever-increasing blackmail from [[spoiler: Vaughn]], but he crossed the Moral Event Horizon fully in episode 6 when he [[spoiler: hangs up a 999 call when Daniella lets slip she knows about Albany, sentencing her to bleed to death as he lies about the ambulances being on their way]].
8th Nov '15 2:13:36 PM NekoSavior
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** Recurring villain Victor La Rue is pure evil, in "The Trial Of La Rue" he takes the courtroom hostage, kills the judge, and taunts Alex.
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** Recurring villain Victor La Rue is pure evil, in "The Trial Of La Rue" he takes the courtroom hostage, kills the judge, and taunts Alex. In the end, Walker kills his ass, completely skipping the typical fisticuffs beat down, opting to just shoot the fucker dead. This alone showed that Walker has seriously had enough of the bastard's shit.
28th Oct '15 7:54:30 PM sayaleviathan
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** "The Boy" aka [[spoiler:Ramsay Snow]] crosses it with his long, drawn-out torture of Theon Greyjoy, starting with his little "game" where he flays one of Theon's fingers until Theon begs him to cut it off. As [[spoiler:Ramsay]] himself admits, he's not torturing Theon for any particular reason save one, [[ForTheEvulz because he enjoys it]].
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** "The Boy" aka [[spoiler:Ramsay Snow]] crosses it with his long, drawn-out torture of Theon Greyjoy, starting with his little "game" where he flays one of Theon's fingers until Theon begs him to cut it off. As [[spoiler:Ramsay]] himself admits, he's not torturing Theon for any particular reason save one, [[ForTheEvulz because he enjoys it]]. In Season 5, he gradually loses his DracoInLeatherPants status [[spoiler:when he raped Sansa Stark during the wedding night]].
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