History MoralEventHorizon / LiveActionTV

18th Jan '17 6:05:10 PM FastFuriousFan
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* ''Series/TheShield'': Had always played fast and loose with the moral event horizon concept with Vic Mackey, what with him shooting a fellow cop in the pilot and all. But his decision in the second to last episode to betray his only remaining friend, Ronnie Gardocki, by turning state's evidence against him and his cold proclamation that he would have no problem whatsoever LYING to Ronnie about his impending arrest, ultimately pushed Vic towards the point of no return for many fans.

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* ''Series/TheShield'': Had always played fast and loose with the moral event horizon concept with Vic Mackey, what with him shooting a fellow cop in the pilot and all. But his decision in the second to last episode to betray his only remaining friend, Ronnie Gardocki, by turning state's evidence against him and his cold proclamation that he would have no problem whatsoever LYING to Ronnie about his impending arrest, ultimately pushed Vic towards the point of no return for many fans. Even changing his mind finding out about Corrine's betrayal and [[YouAreTooLate his failed attempt to get Ronnie to go into hiding]] didn't change that the damage was done.
30th Dec '16 8:48:03 AM AsForMyHandle
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29th Dec '16 2:20:20 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Series/{{Chuck}}'': [[spoiler:Vivian Volkoff betraying her father Alexei Volkoff and leaving him to die, taking a bioweapon with her, which she fully intends to use.]] The significance of this stems from the fact that up to this point, the audience was led to believe that she was [[spoiler:taking over the family business]] in order to get her father back, but this event and her dialogue during the act show that she's in it [[ForTheEvulz for the power]] and her hatred of Chuck for what is now essentially no reason.

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[[spoiler:Vivian Volkoff betraying her father Alexei Volkoff and leaving him to die, taking a bioweapon with her, which she fully intends to use.]] The significance of this stems from the fact that up to this point, the audience was led to believe that she was [[spoiler:taking over the family business]] in order to get her father back, but this event and her dialogue during the act show that she's in it [[ForTheEvulz for the power]] and her hatred of Chuck for what is now essentially no reason.



* ''General Hospital'': A couple Inverse examples: Sonny, at first, believed Andrei Karpov crossed it by shooting his fiancé Kate Howard/Connie Falconeri on their wedding (it was actually faux cripple Anthony Zacchara who framed Karpov) and attempted a few times to pay him back for it. This drove Karpov to stab Sonny, have him chained to an anchor, then dropped in the harbor and left for dead. Believing he's about to die, Sonny asks Karpov to admit what he did and when he doesn't, that convinces Sonny that he did not do it. Sonny survives. However, even though he knows now that Karpov is innocent of Kate/Connie's shooting, Sonny believes Karpov's crossed by attempting to kill him in the first place and that it must now be answered for. It is indeed as Sonny shoots Karpov dead in revenge for the attempt on his life.

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* ''General Hospital'': ''Series/GeneralHospital'':
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A couple Inverse examples: Sonny, at first, believed Andrei Karpov crossed it by shooting his fiancé Kate Howard/Connie Falconeri on their wedding (it was actually faux cripple Anthony Zacchara who framed Karpov) and attempted a few times to pay him back for it. This drove Karpov to stab Sonny, have him chained to an anchor, then dropped in the harbor and left for dead. Believing he's about to die, Sonny asks Karpov to admit what he did and when he doesn't, that convinces Sonny that he did not do it. Sonny survives. However, even though he knows now that Karpov is innocent of Kate/Connie's shooting, Sonny believes Karpov's crossed by attempting to kill him in the first place and that it must now be answered for. It is indeed as Sonny shoots Karpov dead in revenge for the attempt on his life.



* ''Series/{{Heroes}}'': In volume 3, you're being subtly led to believe that you've been too quick to judge Sylar. When [[MessianicArchetype Peter Petrelli]] [[spoiler: gains Sylar's ability for a while, he goes from saintly nurse to AxCrazy and nearly kills his own mother on sight out of the hunger for power before restraining himself]], which makes you wonder, especially since [[spoiler: to get that power Peter had to go to a future where Sylar is an upright family man and has undergone a total HeelFaceTurn]]. You also get to see that Sylar was [[spoiler:so remorseful over murdering his first victim that he tried to commit suicide]]. He goes to [[spoiler: Elle]], whose father he killed, to plead for forgiveness and goes through what seems to be a LoveRedeems subplot with her. Then he [[TheFarmerAndTheViper randomly decides he's had enough of being a nice person]] and ''kills her'' all because of random soap opera shenanigans that barely have anything to do with her. At this point you concede the point the writers were trying to make - that is, that this man is not right in the head. You also want him to die.

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* ''Series/{{Heroes}}'': ''Series/{{Heroes}}'':
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In volume 3, you're being subtly led to believe that you've been too quick to judge Sylar. When [[MessianicArchetype Peter Petrelli]] [[spoiler: gains Sylar's ability for a while, he goes from saintly nurse to AxCrazy and nearly kills his own mother on sight out of the hunger for power before restraining himself]], which makes you wonder, especially since [[spoiler: to get that power Peter had to go to a future where Sylar is an upright family man and has undergone a total HeelFaceTurn]]. You also get to see that Sylar was [[spoiler:so remorseful over murdering his first victim that he tried to commit suicide]]. He goes to [[spoiler: Elle]], whose father he killed, to plead for forgiveness and goes through what seems to be a LoveRedeems subplot with her. Then he [[TheFarmerAndTheViper randomly decides he's had enough of being a nice person]] and ''kills her'' all because of random soap opera shenanigans that barely have anything to do with her. At this point you concede the point the writers were trying to make - that is, that this man is not right in the head. You also want him to die.



* ''Series/IClaudius'': This is a series populated by devious conniving bastards who get away with some pretty horrible acts, but one of the worst dog-raping examples is provided by PraetorianGuard captain [[BastardUnderstudy Macro]] when his predecessor Sejanus falls out of favor with the Emperor. Macro kicks off a bloody purge of everyone even remotely connected with Sejanus. Rome's streets run red, but the icing on the cake is when he orders the death of Sejanus's (very) young daughter. An officer reminds him that it's unlawful to execute a virgin. His response? "Then make sure she's not a virgin when you kill her, now GET ON WITH IT!"

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* ''Series/IClaudius'': ''Series/IClaudius'':
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This is a series populated by devious conniving bastards who get away with some pretty horrible acts, but one of the worst dog-raping examples is provided by PraetorianGuard captain [[BastardUnderstudy Macro]] when his predecessor Sejanus falls out of favor with the Emperor. Macro kicks off a bloody purge of everyone even remotely connected with Sejanus. Rome's streets run red, but the icing on the cake is when he orders the death of Sejanus's (very) young daughter. An officer reminds him that it's unlawful to execute a virgin. His response? "Then make sure she's not a virgin when you kill her, now GET ON WITH IT!"



* ''Series/TheLeftovers'': The Guilty Remnant, who believe that everyone in the world should basically be like them (i.e. stop living their lives and spend their time being miserable in the wake of the Departure), spend most of the series annoying the townspeople of Mapleton and generally being obnoxious, but they don't really deserve [[spoiler: to have one of their own be caught and [[NightmareFuel stoned to death]] at the start of "Gladys"]]. And they don't do anything to ''really'' cross the line until "The Prodigal Son Returns" when the meaning behind their actions throughout the season becomes clear; [[spoiler: they basically rub it in the town's faces by setting up mummified corpses to stand in for the people who vanished, placing them in the last places they were before they left - not so much pressing a BerserkButton as jumping up and down on it. You can't blame the people for [[UnstoppableRage not taking it well at all]].]]

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The Guilty Remnant, who believe that everyone in the world should basically be like them (i.e. stop living their lives and spend their time being miserable in the wake of the Departure), spend most of the series annoying the townspeople of Mapleton and generally being obnoxious, but they don't really deserve [[spoiler: to have one of their own be caught and [[NightmareFuel stoned to death]] at the start of "Gladys"]]. And they don't do anything to ''really'' cross the line until "The Prodigal Son Returns" when the meaning behind their actions throughout the season becomes clear; [[spoiler: they basically rub it in the town's faces by setting up mummified corpses to stand in for the people who vanished, placing them in the last places they were before they left - not so much pressing a BerserkButton as jumping up and down on it. You can't blame the people for [[UnstoppableRage not taking it well at all]].]]



* ''Series/{{Merlin}}'': Morgana spent from a year away from Camelot in the company of her half-sister and returned as TheMole, having performed a FaceHeelTurn in the interim. Over the course of the third season, her plots to bring down her [[spoiler:father and half-brother]] have intensified in brutality, but it's not until ''Queen of Hearts'' that she crosses the line and ends up framing her servant and former best-friend Guinevere for witchcraft. Why? Because she had a dream that Gwen would one day become Queen of Camelot. Up until that point, fans were capable of some degree of sympathy for Morgana's WellIntentionedExtremist views, but after seeing her smiling to herself as a terrified Gwen is hauled away to be burnt at the stake, the general consensus became: "the bitch must die!"

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* ''Series/{{Merlin}}'': ''Series/{{Merlin 2008}}'':
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Morgana spent from a year away from Camelot in the company of her half-sister and returned as TheMole, having performed a FaceHeelTurn in the interim. Over the course of the third season, her plots to bring down her [[spoiler:father and half-brother]] have intensified in brutality, but it's not until ''Queen of Hearts'' that she crosses the line and ends up framing her servant and former best-friend Guinevere for witchcraft. Why? Because she had a dream that Gwen would one day become Queen of Camelot. Up until that point, fans were capable of some degree of sympathy for Morgana's WellIntentionedExtremist views, but after seeing her smiling to herself as a terrified Gwen is hauled away to be burnt at the stake, the general consensus became: "the bitch must die!"



* ''Shameless'': Frank Gallagher is a morally reprehensible man who would rather pursue constant means of scamming people out of their money in order to feed his alcohol addiction, than to take care of his six children who are left to fend for themselves. He's done a lot of horrible things, including [[spoiler:sleeping with an underage girl]] and [[spoiler:attempting to sell one of his children for money]]. In the context of the show, however, even these actions are presented as things that he might still come back from. However, when he [[spoiler:cons a dying woman into agreeing to marry him in order to get her pension when she passes away, then conceals from her the fact that a heart transplant has become available for her, allowing her to die from her disease in order to get her money]] that is an offense that would make him irredeemable in the eyes of many viewers.

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* ''Shameless'': ''Series/ShamelessUS'': Frank Gallagher is a morally reprehensible man who would rather pursue constant means of scamming people out of their money in order to feed his alcohol addiction, than to take care of his six children who are left to fend for themselves. He's done a lot of horrible things, including [[spoiler:sleeping with an underage girl]] and [[spoiler:attempting to sell one of his children for money]]. In the context of the show, however, even these actions are presented as things that he might still come back from. However, when he [[spoiler:cons a dying woman into agreeing to marry him in order to get her pension when she passes away, then conceals from her the fact that a heart transplant has become available for her, allowing her to die from her disease in order to get her money]] that is an offense that would make him irredeemable in the eyes of many viewers.
29th Dec '16 2:17:05 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'': The last episode has the Female Changeling deal with Cardassian saboteurs by nuking Lakarian City; the resulting death toll is two million. When the Cardassian fleet learns of this, they perform a HeelFaceTurn, and begin firing on the Dominion and Breen ships. How does the Female Changeling react to this?

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The last episode has the Female Changeling deal with Cardassian saboteurs by nuking Lakarian City; the resulting death toll is two million. When the Cardassian fleet learns of this, they perform a HeelFaceTurn, and begin firing on the Dominion and Breen ships. How does the Female Changeling react to this?
27th Dec '16 3:59:55 PM nombretomado
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* ''Series/LifeOnMars2006'' and ''AshesToAshes'': Gene Hunt has probably crossed this line somewhere in his assaulting of suspects, liberal use of the JackBauerInterrogationTechnique, and stitching up innocent people. Where and when, and indeed if he has is highly subjective depending on your view of criminals. Jim Keats, however, gets a pretty clear one in Season 3 when he [[spoiler: appears to [[{{Psychopomp}} forcibly harvest Viv James' soul]], obviously a horrific experience for the latter. It is later implied poor Viv [[{{Hell}} did not go to a good place]].]]
* ''Series/{{Lost}}'': We all knew [[PsychoForHire Martin Keamy]] was bad news from the get go, but he firmly crossed the line in "The Shape of Things to Come", where he [[spoiler: coldheartedly murdered Ben's daughter, just for the sake of proving he wasn't fucking around. Needless to say, he is quite possibly the only ''Lost'' character to ever cause [[MagnificentBastard Ben Linus]] to [[VillainousBreakdown lose his cool.]]]]

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* ''Series/LifeOnMars2006'' and ''AshesToAshes'': ''Series/AshesToAshes'': Gene Hunt has probably crossed this line somewhere in his assaulting of suspects, liberal use of the JackBauerInterrogationTechnique, and stitching up innocent people. Where and when, and indeed if he has is highly subjective depending on your view of criminals. Jim Keats, however, gets a pretty clear one in Season 3 when he [[spoiler: appears to [[{{Psychopomp}} forcibly harvest Viv James' soul]], obviously a horrific experience for the latter. It is later implied poor Viv [[{{Hell}} did not go to a good place]].]]
* ''Series/{{Lost}}'': ''Series/{{Lost}}'':
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We all knew [[PsychoForHire Martin Keamy]] was bad news from the get go, but he firmly crossed the line in "The Shape of Things to Come", where he [[spoiler: coldheartedly murdered Ben's daughter, just for the sake of proving he wasn't fucking around. Needless to say, he is quite possibly the only ''Lost'' character to ever cause [[MagnificentBastard Ben Linus]] to [[VillainousBreakdown lose his cool.]]]]
19th Dec '16 10:37:37 PM PhantomRider
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** The Reverse-Flash passed this long ago. First, he traveled back in time to [[spoiler:[[WouldHurtAChild kill a young Barry Allen]], but failed thanks to interference from the Flash. Instead, he settles on [[KickTheDog killing Barry's mother]] then leaves. However, he discovers that he's TrappedInThePast. He knows exactly what happens in history so he kills Wells' wife for no reason, takes the [[SurgicalImpersonation genetic]] [[BodyHorror code]] [[PainfulTransformation of the]] ''[[KillAndReplace real]]'' [[NiceGuy Dr. Wells]], and creates all the events of Central City on purpose, with complete disregard for all the lives of others]]. All so he can get revenge on Barry and steal his speed for [[ItsAllAboutMe himself]].

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** The Reverse-Flash passed this long ago. First, he traveled back in time to [[spoiler:[[WouldHurtAChild kill a young Barry Allen]], but failed thanks to interference from the Flash. Instead, he settles on [[KickTheDog killing Barry's mother]] then leaves. However, he discovers that he's TrappedInThePast. He knows exactly what happens in history so he kills Wells' wife for no reason, takes the [[SurgicalImpersonation genetic]] [[BodyHorror code]] [[PainfulTransformation of the]] ''[[KillAndReplace real]]'' [[NiceGuy Dr. Wells]], and creates all the events of Central City the series on purpose, with complete disregard for all the lives of others]]. All so he can get revenge on Barry and steal his speed for [[ItsAllAboutMe himself]].



** Zoom's first appearance on Earth Two was to fake a call about hostage situation and kill 14 out of 15 cops that came to rescue them. The last one was spared to tell the tale and when he did, Zoom murdered him too.

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** Zoom's first appearance on Earth Two was to fake a call about hostage situation and kill 14 out of 15 cops that came to rescue them. The last one was spared to tell the tale tale... and when after he did, Zoom murdered him too.



** Serrator crossed it 200 years ago by [[spoiler:making a DealWithTheDevil with Dayu, turning Deker into a half Nighlok and taking his memories, not telling her that until she's already made the deal.]] If he didn't cross it then, he most certainly did with his endgame. [[spoiler:He wanted to split open the earth, spilling the Netherworld onto Earth, likely causing untold death and destruction all for the sake of becoming powerful enough to rule both worlds.]]

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** Serrator crossed it 200 years ago by [[spoiler:making a DealWithTheDevil with Dayu, turning Deker into a half Nighlok and taking his memories, not telling her that until she's already made the deal.]] The more the two of them suffer, until finally [[spoiler: meeting their tragic ends]], the more you'll consider Serrator the most heartless villain in the history of ''a show whose villains often pride themselves on how evil they are.'' If he didn't cross it then, he most certainly did with his endgame. [[spoiler:He wanted to split open the earth, spilling the Netherworld onto Earth, likely causing untold death and destruction all for the sake of becoming powerful enough to rule both worlds.]]]] Even ''the other Nighloks'' considered it going too far (there was a risk that both worlds would be annihilated.)
7th Dec '16 12:03:46 AM RAMChYLD
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* ''Series/BadRobots'': Tez One became malevolent after witnessing humans mistreating their electrical appliances.
9th Nov '16 7:17:31 PM The12thDoctor
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* ''Series/TheFlash2014''
** The Reverse-Flash passed this long ago. First, he traveled back in time to [[spoiler:[[WouldHurtAChild kill a young Barry Allen]], but failed thanks to interference from the Flash. Instead, he settles on [[KickTheDog killing Barry's mother]] then leaves. However, he discovers that he's TrappedInThePast. He knows exactly what happens in history so he kills Wells' wife for no reason, takes the [[SurgicalImpersonation genetic]] [[BodyHorror code]] [[PainfulTransformation of the]] ''[[KillAndReplace real]]'' [[NiceGuy Dr. Wells]], and creates all the events of Central City on purpose, with complete disregard for all the lives of others]]. All so he can get revenge on Barry and steal his speed for [[ItsAllAboutMe himself]].
** Lewis Snart put a bomb in his own daughter's head to make his son work for him.
** Zoom's first appearance on Earth Two was to fake a call about hostage situation and kill 14 out of 15 cops that came to rescue them. The last one was spared to tell the tale and when he did, Zoom murdered him too.
** In "Running to Stand Still," the Trickster and Weather Wizard pass out hundreds of bombs ''to children'' all across the city by disguising the Trickster as [[BadSanta Santa Claus]]. When the Flash discovers this, the two gleefully laugh about how they will blow up multiple families if the Flash doesn't let them beat him to death slowly.
** Deathstorm's casual admittance that he hasn't let Martin Stein [[AndIMustScream out in years]].
** Zoom's father murdering his wife while making his young son watch.
** Pictured above, Zoom [[spoiler:[[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impaling Barry's father]] [[ForcedToWatch right in front of Barry]], just so he can prove to him that the two of them are NotSoDifferent]].
26th Oct '16 3:03:29 PM Mike34
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18th Oct '16 7:38:06 AM BigJaredMonkey
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* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'': Whenever a villain tortured a member of the Scoobie Gang, they tended to be seen as having gone just plain too far. Such as [[spoiler: when Angelus tortured Giles to get information]], and when in ''Angel'', [[spoiler: Faith tortured Wesley for ''no reason at all''. Angelus was an actual villain, whereas Faith was just an AntiHero...]]

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* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'': ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'':
** For many fans, Buffy stopped being a hero and became merely a "protagonist" during season three when she decided to feed another human being -- Faith -- to a vampire just because she wanted her dying boyfriend back. While many acknowledge that Faith had, at that point, done many reprehensible things and might have deserved to be killed, the fact that Buffy was going to do it by '''''feeding her to a vampire''''', thus betraying her calling as the protector of humanity against such monsters, was the part that they simply could not swallow.
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Whenever a villain tortured a member of the Scoobie Gang, they tended to be seen as having gone just plain too far. Such as [[spoiler: when Angelus tortured Giles to get information]], and when in ''Angel'', [[spoiler: Faith tortured Wesley for ''no reason at all''. Angelus was an actual villain, whereas Faith was just an AntiHero...]]
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