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21st Jul '17 2:40:56 PM FastFuriousFan
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** [[Recap/BreakingBadS5E14Ozymandias "Ozymandias"]] begins with Walter [[spoiler:giving up Jesse to the Nazis, then telling Jesse how he let Jane die, even though he could have saved her]]. Towards the end of the episode, he [[spoiler:kidnaps his infant daughter]].

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** [[Recap/BreakingBadS5E14Ozymandias "Ozymandias"]] begins with Walter [[spoiler:giving up Jesse to the Nazis, then telling Jesse how he let Jane die, even though he could have saved her]]. Towards the end of the episode, he [[spoiler:kidnaps his infant daughter]].daughter, believing she didn't know enough to turn against him. [[[[AllForNothing He]] [[TearJerker was]] [[IWantMyMommy wrong]]]].
13th Jul '17 9:41:44 PM Anddrix
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** The Saxon Master has two possible moments:
*** "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E12TheSoundOfDrums The Sound of Drums]]", where he takes over Earth and orders the Toclafane to kill one tenth of its population, ages the Tenth Doctor with his Laser Screwdriver, and enslaves Martha Jones' family.
*** "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS36E12TheDoctorFalls The Doctor Falls]]", where he [[spoiler: ''permanently'' ([[JokerImmunity At least, for the time being]]) kills Missy, his future incarnation, for choosing to make a HeelFaceTurn and join forces with the Doctor.]]
7th Jul '17 3:39:33 AM TimeLordVictorious
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** One could argue [[Recap/DoctorWhoS18E7Logopolis "Logopolis"]] for The Master. Yes before he had manipulated, threatened, and killed lots and lots of people, but compared to the number of people The Doctor had manipulated, threatened and killed, they were basically even, and before Delgado died he was even supposed to have a DeathEqualsRedemption plot. And then, when he gets a proper new body again, he destroys one-quarter of the universe, including the home planet of one of the Doctor's companions (though admittedly that was an accident he caused by going on a killing spree). And the new body he got is the corpse of said companion's father. After that, there was really no going back for him.

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** One could argue [[Recap/DoctorWhoS18E7Logopolis "Logopolis"]] for The Master.Master when he was portrayed by Creator/AnthonyAinley. Yes before he had manipulated, threatened, and killed lots and lots of people, but compared to the number of people The Doctor had manipulated, threatened and killed, they were basically even, and before Delgado died he was even supposed to have a DeathEqualsRedemption plot. And then, when he gets a proper new body again, he destroys one-quarter of the universe, including the home planet of one of the Doctor's companions (though admittedly that was an accident he caused by going on a killing spree). And the new body he got is the corpse of said companion's father. After that, there was really no going back for him.that specific incarnation.


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** The Saxon Master has two possible moments:
*** "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E12TheSoundOfDrums The Sound of Drums]]", where he takes over Earth and orders the Toclafane to kill one tenth of its population, ages the Tenth Doctor with his Laser Screwdriver, and enslaves Martha Jones' family.
*** "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS36E12TheDoctorFalls The Doctor Falls]]", where he [[spoiler: ''permanently'' ([[JokerImmunity At least, for the time being]]) kills Missy, his future incarnation, for choosing to make a HeelFaceTurn and join forces with the Doctor.]]
13th Jun '17 6:43:58 PM Peridonyx
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* ''Series/{{ER}}'': VillainOfTheWeek Derek Fossen in Season 7's two-part finale. In the first part, Greene learns Fossen is an {{Abusive Parent}}, so the former decides to help the latter's son escape into foster care. And in the second part, how does Fossen respond? By [[AxCrazy completely snapping]] and invoking GoingPostal [[DisproportionateRetribution on anyone even-remotely connected to him (justifiably) losing his son (and soon just everyone in Fossen's way), eventually threatening Greene's own family for some cold-blooded irony]]. [[spoiler:Thankfully, Fossen is finally stopped and critically injured... but then [[OhCrap finds himself under]] [[PapaWolf Greene's]] [[VigilanteExecution care]].]]
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6th Jun '17 2:18:34 PM QuinineGlow
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** Doug Stamper was cast in a significantly more sympathetic light early on in the series (or at least more pitiable), but [[spoiler:murdering Rachel]] cemented his evil status, pitiable or not.
27th Apr '17 10:28:19 PM NightShade96
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': As a show filled with morally ambiguous characters vying for power, many individuals cross it.
** Joffrey was always a bastard with a KickTheDog moment or two in season one, but he only really crosses the event horizon when he orders Ned Stark's execution, after assuring Ned's daughter and his future fiance that he would "show mercy.", which leads the North to rise up against the Iron Throne and secede from the realm. When confronted about his promise to be merciful he coldly replies that giving Ned such a quick and clean death was a mercy. His actions after are a long series of [[KickTheDog kicking dogs]] whenever there isn't someone else to rein him in.
** Janos Slynt crosses it when he leads ThePurge of Robert Baratheon's bastard children on Joffrey's orders, [[WouldHurtAChild including personally killing a baby in front of her mother.]]
** Stannis crosses it when he has [[spoiler: Shireen - his only child and the heir to his royal claim - burnt alive at the stake to curry favour with the Lord of Light.]]
** The Freys and Boltons cross the Moral Event Horizon when [[spoiler: they stage the Red Wedding, murdering Robb, Catelyn, Talisa, and the majority of the Northern lords. This is particularly egregious of the Freys, according to the customs of Westeros, since the Starks and their bannermen were their guests who had received food under their roof.]]
** Twyin Lannister definitely crosses it before [[spoiler:Tyrion snaps from his abuse and murders him]]. First contender: he is Gregor Clegane's boss, so the fact that he is ultimately responsible for much of the Mountain's atrocities could qualify. However, some may feel that may be too much of OffScreenVillainy to qualify. Second contender: he is the true mastermind behind [[spoiler:the Red Wedding]]. Then again, some might argue that he was simply being ruthlessly pragmatic. But if neither the first nor second allowed him to cross the line, then he definitely crosses it with the third: [[spoiler:letting Tyrion take the fall for Joffrey's murder without caring the slightest bit if he's innocent and if he is executed as a result]]. It's very telling that [[spoiler:he dies]] shortly afterwards.
** "The Boy" aka [[spoiler:Ramsay Snow]] crosses it with his long, drawn-out torture of Theon Greyjoy, starting with his little "game" where he flays one of Theon's fingers until Theon begs him to cut it off. As [[spoiler:Ramsay]] himself admits, he's not torturing Theon for any particular reason save one, [[ForTheEvulz because he enjoys it]]. In Season 5, he gradually loses his DracoInLeatherPants status [[spoiler:when he raped Sansa Stark during the wedding night]].
** Littlefinger crosses it when he facilitates [[spoiler:Ros's]] death by selling her to Joffrey, leading to the girl being used as target practice for Joffrey's new crossbow.
** Gregor Clegane, already established as a reprehensible piece of work, crosses it when he has two hundred Northmen prisoners killed just to give the middle-finger to Robb Stark and his army.
*** Arguably, he did it even before then when he murdered Elia Martel's children in front of her, then raped her and then [[HalfTheManHeUsedToBe bisected her]]. Granted the first of these was an order by his liege Lord, but the way he did it and his actions afterwards is inexcusable.
** Karl Tanner crosses it when he takes over Craster's Keep. He rapes and brutalizes Craster's daughters, drinks wine from a cup made out of the skull of [[spoiler:Commander Mormont]], and is willing to murder a baby just so he won't have one more mouth to feed.
*** And Crastee himself crossed it years ago when he decided to further his family line by raping his daughters, who would give birth to more daughters for him to have as extra wives. And his sons were basically sentenced to death.
** Balon Greyjoy arguably crosses it when he [[IHaveNoSon disowns Theon]], [[spoiler: when Theon tried to impress him by seizing Winterfell, then was captured and castrated by Ramsay Snow, leading Balon to sneer that Theon cannot further the family line and is useless to him.]] [[DaddysGirl Yara]] even calls him out on this.
** Ellaria Sand crosses it by [[spoiler: poisoning princess Myrcella to avenge the death of Oberyn even thought she had nothing to do with it]]. The Sand Snakes cross it by [[spoiler: killing their uncle Doran and their cousin Trystane]].
** Cersei rockets across it when she [[spoiler:commits mass murder by blowing the Great Sept of Baelor sky-high with wildfire, incinerating the Sparrows (including Lancel, who [[DyingMomentOfAwesome tried in vain to prevent it]]), the High Sparrow, the Small Council, Margaery, Loras, Mace, and many, many innocent smallfolk, ''some of whom were nowhere near the Sept''. The act also has an indirect casualty: Tommen, her son, who [[DrivenToSuicide dives out of a window in despair]]]]. If that act isn't enough, just before [[spoiler:Tommen's suicide]], she [[spoiler:tortures Septa Unella by first waterboarding her with wine then leaving Gregor Clegane, a psychopathic serial rapist who himself is well across the Horizon, to do whatever to her]].
12th Mar '17 6:21:02 AM bleach246
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* ''Series/TheOneHundred'':

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* ''Series/TheOneHundred'':''Series/The100'':
12th Mar '17 5:50:38 AM NightShade96
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!!Shows with their own pages
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* ''MoralEventHorizon/OnceUponATime''
* ''MoralEventHorizon/GameOfThrones''
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8th Mar '17 8:40:42 AM Meshakhad
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* ''Series/TheOneHundred'':
** Finn kills [[spoiler:several Grounder prisoners. He's sort of regretful about it, but still hates the Grounders. Eventually, he accepts his guilt and allows himself to be executed.]]
24th Feb '17 10:28:03 AM HamburgerTime
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->''"You are never gonna make up anything to me '''ever again'''."''
-->-- '''Josh''', ''Series/DrakeAndJosh'' "Josh Runs Into Oprah"



* ''Series/DrakeAndJosh'':
** Megan crosses it in "Megan's Revenge" when she psychologically tortures the boys thinking she wants revenge on them for killing her pet hamster, when she says she's fine. [[spoiler:In the end, we find out they didn't kill the hamster at all; it was just stunned by the camera flash.]]
** Another more infamous crossing for her is when Drake and Josh accidentally get trapped in the "Tree House" they are building and she not only refuses to help them get out, but [[DisproportionateRetribution foils an escape attempt too]]. Why? They got her punished with them for their mistake in destroying the kid's tree house by accident and she misses a birthday party. While she may not have deserved to share the blame with them, this is the first time [[KarmaHoudini she actually got punished for something]], even if it's not something she should have been punished for. At this point, you could tell Megan's constant escapes for justice (even before leaving them trapped) had the audience begging for her to get her comeuppance.
** In "Peruvian Puff Peppers," it's revealed that she not only wrecks their chili and later sets them up to lose their competition to her, but that she's built an elaborate fortress and throughout the series has used her influence over her mother and stepfather and all these other things to always look innocent and continue to mess with Drake and Josh's lives, having the means and pre-meditated machinations to do bad and never get caught.
** The page quote, however, is an interesting subversion. After Drake inadvertently gets Josh sent to the chemical bath by saying he has a flesh-eating virus (which he did so the guards would leave and he could see Oprah), Josh tells Drake that he has crossed it and will never make anything up to him anymore. Then he's thrown a surprise party at The Premiere and gets Oprah's autograph (in the form of a restraining order), which makes him forgive Drake and subvert the trope.
** "Josh is Done" shows a far more straightforward and darker example of Drake crossing in Josh's eyes. Drake, wanting to make out with a girl before an important exam, leaves the house early without Josh and he misses the exam because the teacher will not let him in late. The teacher also tells Josh he'll have to take the make-up exam instead and lose a letter grade because of it (he doesn't end up losing the letter grade because the results are so good, but neither knew that at the time). Josh is enraged at first, but then later decides the best thing to do is respond to Drake from this point forward with [[IHaveNoSon complete and total indifference]], no longer seeking a friendship or personal connection to him. Josh's life improves dramatically and Drake's suffers because of it. Eventually, Drake, [[HumiliationConga humiliated]] under similar circumstances as Josh was by Drake in "Josh Runs Into Oprah," publicly declares that even though Josh may not need him in his life, he needs Josh a lot more. Josh takes some time to process it and by the end, all is forgiven.
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