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15th May '16 7:59:24 AM Silverblade2
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** In-universe, the two crimes that the people of Westeros see as crossing the moral event horizon are kinslaying and breaking [[SacredHospitality guest-right]].



*** For many characters in-universe, Jaime crossed this line before the series even started, when he killed the very king he had sworn to protect. Jaime, however, considers it completely justified, since said king was mentally unstable and [[spoiler:Jaime killed him to stop him from slaughtering a ''city'' of innocents (or as innocent as anyone gets in this series, anyway)]].
9th May '16 8:57:42 AM AshlynNyx
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* ''Literature/TheCasteelSeries'':
** Luke Casteel crossed it in ''Heaven'' when he sold all of his children, and that was ''after'' he abandoned them and his senile father for several months with the rare visit, forcing them to fend for themselves. While Tom eventually forgave him after he cleaned up his act a little, Heaven couldn't.
** Tony Tatterton in the backstoy [[spoiler:raped his stepdaughter Leigh when she was in her early teens and impregnated her]]. He crossed it further in ''Fallen Hearts'' and ''Gates of Paradise'' when [[spoiler:he attempted to rape his daughter Heaven and his granddaughter Annie, respectively]].
** Heaven's grandmother and Leigh's mother Jillian knew [[spoiler:what was going on between Tony and Leigh, but chose to ignore it and become a StepfordSmiler for the sake of her youth]]. Even worse, in ''Web of Dreams'' she [[spoiler:out right instructed Leigh to 'distract' Tony so Jillian wouldn't have to have sex with him herself, and when Leigh got pregnant she blamed ''Leigh'']].
7th May '16 12:45:17 PM Silverblade2
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* In-universe, ''Literature/ABrothersPrice'' has killing a man. Men are amazingly [[GenderRarityValue rare]] in that world, kept secluded and protected, so finding one dead is shocking.
7th May '16 12:44:59 PM Silverblade2
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** Dumbledore invokes this trope himself in relation to Voldemort, describing the [[spoiler:creation of a Horcrux]] as "moving beyond the realm of what we might describe as 'usual evil.'" Considering the implications of [[spoiler:tearing one's soul apart]], this is probably justified. [[spoiler: The fact that it takes a human sacrifice to make the process work also plays a large part.]]



** In the first book, the killing/drinking the blood of a unicorn is considered to be this, in universe.
** Use of the Avada Kedavra, Cruciatus and Imperius curses is considered this in universe, since they are known as unforgivable curses and punished with a life sentence in Azkaban. In ''Deathly Hallows'', though, use of at least the Cruciatus and Imperius curses by the protagonists during Voldemort's regime is more a sign of [[PayEvilUntoEvil necessary pragmatism]] [[BatmanGrabsAGun on their parts]] than anything (and in the case of Harry doing a Cruciatus on Bellatrix, it's more or less a case of LaserGuidedKarma, as she had earlier tried unsuccessfully to provoke him into doing a Crucio on her and ''taunted him'' when he failed to get the desired result), and the two confirmed uses of the good ol' AK-666 in the series by heroic characters were either for the purposes of [[spoiler:euthanising a terminally ill wizard]] or [[spoiler:protecting a loved one from someone who's willing to kill said loved one]].
5th Apr '16 2:48:20 PM Anddrix
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* ''Literature/VampireAcademy'':
** Moroi cross this if they kill a human/dhampir when feeding on them. They become Strigoi.
** [[spoiler:Victor Dashkov]] crosses this when he [[spoiler:abducts Lissa and tortures her to make her heal him]].
1st Apr '16 10:51:44 PM GrammarNavi
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** When [[Characters/HarryPotterMinistryOfMagic Dolores Umbridge]] [[TyrantTakesTheHelm takes over]], she spends most of ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix'' finding new and more creative ways to KickTheDog (usually Harry). For he moral event horizon, take your pick between when she forces Harry to write lines using an enchanted quill that repeatedly carves the words into his own hand, until it won't stop bleeding, her horribly cruel manner of dismissing Sybil Trelawney, burning down Hagrid's hut, with him inside, when she goes to fire '''him''' or sending several spells at an unarmed McGonagal when she tries to interfere with the previously mentioned burning of Hagrid's hut. She manages to get ''worse'' in ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Deathly Hallows]]''.

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** When [[Characters/HarryPotterMinistryOfMagic Dolores Umbridge]] [[TyrantTakesTheHelm takes over]], she spends most of ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix'' finding new and more creative ways to KickTheDog (usually Harry). For he her moral event horizon, take your pick between when she forces Harry to write lines using an enchanted quill that repeatedly carves the words into his own hand, until it won't stop bleeding, her horribly cruel manner of dismissing Sybil Trelawney, burning down Hagrid's hut, with him inside, when she goes to fire '''him''' or sending several spells at an unarmed McGonagal [=McGonagall=] when she tries to interfere with the previously mentioned burning of Hagrid's hut. She manages to get ''worse'' in ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Deathly Hallows]]''.
18th Mar '16 3:42:37 AM Shadowgazer
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*** Fëanor, after seizing the ships of Teleri and causing the Kinslaying of Alqualondë, which leads the Noldor to be cursed.
*** In the Akallabêth, after the Silmarillion but before the events of the LordOfTheRings, Sauron crosses it when he engineers the destruction of Númenor by corrupting its king; like Morgoth, after this action he can never again take an appearance that is not evil.

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*** Fëanor, Feanor, after seizing the ships of Teleri and causing the Kinslaying of Alqualondë, which leads the Noldor to be cursed.
*** In the Akallabêth, after the Silmarillion but before the events of the LordOfTheRings, Sauron crosses it when he engineers the destruction of Númenor by corrupting its king; like Morgoth, after this action he can never again take an appearance that is not evil. And that's without even considering that in all of Melkor's atrocities he had a great part in, and continued to breed orcs long after his master's downfall. In short almost everything he did, from the beginning of time would be a line crossing for lesser creatures.
3rd Mar '16 5:49:29 AM mario0987
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** When [[Characters/HarryPotterMinistryOfMagic Dolores Umbridge]] [[TyrantTakesTheHelm takes over]], she spends most of ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix'' finding new and more creative ways to KickTheDog (usually Harry). She crosses it when she forces Harry to write lines using an enchanted quill that repeatedly carves the words into his own hand, until it won't stop bleeding. She manages to get ''worse'' in ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Deathly Hallows]]''.

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** When [[Characters/HarryPotterMinistryOfMagic Dolores Umbridge]] [[TyrantTakesTheHelm takes over]], she spends most of ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix'' finding new and more creative ways to KickTheDog (usually Harry). She crosses it For he moral event horizon, take your pick between when she forces Harry to write lines using an enchanted quill that repeatedly carves the words into his own hand, until it won't stop bleeding.bleeding, her horribly cruel manner of dismissing Sybil Trelawney, burning down Hagrid's hut, with him inside, when she goes to fire '''him''' or sending several spells at an unarmed McGonagal when she tries to interfere with the previously mentioned burning of Hagrid's hut. She manages to get ''worse'' in ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Deathly Hallows]]''.
16th Feb '16 7:36:01 AM Furienna
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* In Literature/{{Overenskommelser}} by Creator/SimonaAhrnstedt, all three villains have crossed it by the end:
** Rosenschiöld crosses it when he rapes and nearly kills Beatrice on her wedding night.
** It's hard to tell when Wilhelm and Edvard crossed it because they have so many potential moments: beating Beatrice nearly to death, locking her in a room for a week with no food, impregnating a minor, abandoning her, and showing no remorse when she dies after an abortion, and forcing Beatrice into marriage with Rosenschiöld, despite knowing she would suffer. They definately crossed it though when they showed Beatrice no sympathy after she was raped and nearly killed on her wedding night.
3rd Jan '16 12:58:20 AM KamenRiderKrypton
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*** Considering all the shit the Dursleys put Harry through all his life, for such petty
reasons, the line has been crossed long ago, to the extent that Harry who suffers from ChronicHeroSyndrome was seriously wondering if he would save them from Voldemort, in case they were kidnapped. From Harry this means a lot..

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*** Considering all the shit the Dursleys put Harry through all his life, for such petty
petty reasons, the line has been crossed long ago, to the extent that Harry who suffers from ChronicHeroSyndrome was seriously wondering if he would save them from Voldemort, in case they were kidnapped. From Harry this means a lot..
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