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** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemEngage'' as a group has been hit with this status considering [[BreakingOldTrends that unlike the other mainline games]] (''Echoes: Shadows of Valentia'' and''Three Houses'') released after ''Heroes'', it has only had one "New Heroes" banner instead of two consecutive ones, which has generally only been relegated to spinoff titles (''Tokyo Mirage Sessions'' and ''Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes''). Considering that only one gender (female) of the protagonist Alear has currently appeared (usually both genders of the protagonist have been available at the same time), along with an April Fools 2023 video acknowledging Timerra and Ivy appearing in the second 2023 summer banner, many fans have wondered whether if Intelligent Systems doesn't have as much faith in the game compared to the other two mainline titles. While they initially started to get better showings as 2023 went on, it came to a head when Choose Your Legends 8 came out, and there were absolutely zero winners from ''Engage'' when most fans expected at least ''one'' character to win. However, at the same time as the Choose Your Legends 8 was announced, Mythic Lumera and Emblem Marth were announced in an [[UnexpectedCharacter unexpected way]]. The latter finally integrated the Emblem Rings mechanic to the mobile game. 18 days later, there's another New Heroes banner featuring Rearmed Hortensia, Attuned Ivy, Rosado and Kagetsu with Mauvier of the Four Hounds as the Grand Hero Battle unit. 2 weeks later, Male Alear got its Legendary Alt. A week later, Chloé got its character alt and Framme, as a seasonal unit, were added in "A Place to Rest" spring banner. Another Emblem Hero was introduced being Emblem Ike.
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** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemEngage'' as a group has been hit with this status considering [[BreakingOldTrends that unlike the other mainline games]] (''Echoes: Shadows of Valentia'' and''Three Houses'') released after ''Heroes'', it has only had one "New Heroes" banner instead of two consecutive ones, which has generally only been relegated to spinoff titles (''Tokyo Mirage Sessions'' and ''Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes''). Considering that only one gender (female) of the protagonist Alear has currently appeared (usually both genders of the protagonist have been available at the same time), along with an April Fools 2023 video acknowledging Timerra and Ivy appearing in the second 2023 summer banner, many fans have wondered whether if Intelligent Systems doesn't have as much faith in the game compared to the other two mainline titles. While they initially started to get better showings as 2023 went on, it came to a head when Choose Your Legends 8 came out, and there were absolutely zero winners from ''Engage'' when most fans expected at least ''one'' character to win. However, at the same time as the Choose Your Legends 8 was announced, Mythic Lumera and Emblem Marth were announced in an [[UnexpectedCharacter unexpected way]]. The latter finally integrated the Emblem Rings mechanic to the mobile game. 18 days later, there's another New Heroes banner featuring Rearmed Hortensia, Attuned Ivy, Rosado and Kagetsu with Mauvier of the Four Hounds as the Grand Hero Battle unit. 2 weeks later, Male Alear got its his Legendary Alt. A week later, Chloé got its her character alt and Framme, Framme appeared as a seasonal unit, were both added in the "A Place to Rest" spring banner. Another Emblem Hero was introduced introduced, being Emblem Ike.
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** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemEngage'' as a group has been hit with this status considering [[BreakingOldTrends that unlike the other mainline games]] (''Echoes: Shadows of Valentia'' and''Three Houses'') released after ''Heroes'', it has only had one "New Heroes" banner instead of two consecutive ones, which has generally only been relegated to spinoff titles (''Tokyo Mirage Sessions'' and ''Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes''). Considering that only one gender (female) of the protagonist Alear has currently appeared (usually both genders of the protagonist have been available at the same time), along with an April Fools 2023 video acknowledging Timerra and Ivy appearing in the second 2023 summer banner, many fans have wondered whether if Intelligent Systems doesn't have as much faith in the game compared to the other two mainline titles. While they initially started to get better showings as 2023 went on, it came to a head when Choose Your Legends 8 came out, and there were absolutely zero winners from ''Engage'' when most fans expected at least ''one'' character to win. However, at the same time as the Choose Your Legends 8 was announced, Mythic Lumera and Emblem Marth were announced in an [[UnexpectedCharacter unexpected way]]. The latter finally integrated the Emblem Rings mechanic to the mobile game. 18 days later, there's another New Heroes banner featuring Rearmed Hortensia, Attuned Ivy, Rosado and Kagetsu with Mauvier of the Four Hounds as the Grand Hero Battle unit. Later after that said banner, Chloé got its character alt and Framme, as a seasonal unit, were added in "A Place to Rest" spring banner.
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** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemEngage'' as a group has been hit with this status considering [[BreakingOldTrends that unlike the other mainline games]] (''Echoes: Shadows of Valentia'' and''Three Houses'') released after ''Heroes'', it has only had one "New Heroes" banner instead of two consecutive ones, which has generally only been relegated to spinoff titles (''Tokyo Mirage Sessions'' and ''Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes''). Considering that only one gender (female) of the protagonist Alear has currently appeared (usually both genders of the protagonist have been available at the same time), along with an April Fools 2023 video acknowledging Timerra and Ivy appearing in the second 2023 summer banner, many fans have wondered whether if Intelligent Systems doesn't have as much faith in the game compared to the other two mainline titles. While they initially started to get better showings as 2023 went on, it came to a head when Choose Your Legends 8 came out, and there were absolutely zero winners from ''Engage'' when most fans expected at least ''one'' character to win. However, at the same time as the Choose Your Legends 8 was announced, Mythic Lumera and Emblem Marth were announced in an [[UnexpectedCharacter unexpected way]]. The latter finally integrated the Emblem Rings mechanic to the mobile game. 18 days later, there's another New Heroes banner featuring Rearmed Hortensia, Attuned Ivy, Rosado and Kagetsu with Mauvier of the Four Hounds as the Grand Hero Battle unit. Later after that said banner, 2 weeks later, Male Alear got its Legendary Alt. A week later, Chloé got its character alt and Framme, as a seasonal unit, were added in "A Place to Rest" spring banner.banner. Another Emblem Hero was introduced being Emblem Ike.
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** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemEngage'' as a group has been hit with this status considering [[BreakingOldTrends that unlike the other mainline games]] (''Echoes: Shadows of Valentia'' and''Three Houses'') released after ''Heroes'', it has only had one "New Heroes" banner instead of two consecutive ones, which has generally only been relegated to spinoff titles (''Tokyo Mirage Sessions'' and ''Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes''). Considering that only one gender (female) of the protagonist Alear has currently appeared (usually both genders of the protagonist have been available at the same time), along with an April Fools 2023 video acknowledging Timerra and Ivy appearing in the second 2023 summer banner, many fans have wondered whether if Intelligent Systems doesn't have as much faith in the game compared to the other two mainline titles. While they initially started to get better showings as 2023 went on, it came to a head when Choose Your Legends 8 came out, and there were absolutely zero winners from ''Engage'' when most fans expected at least ''one'' character to win.
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** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemEngage'' as a group has been hit with this status considering [[BreakingOldTrends that unlike the other mainline games]] (''Echoes: Shadows of Valentia'' and''Three Houses'') released after ''Heroes'', it has only had one "New Heroes" banner instead of two consecutive ones, which has generally only been relegated to spinoff titles (''Tokyo Mirage Sessions'' and ''Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes''). Considering that only one gender (female) of the protagonist Alear has currently appeared (usually both genders of the protagonist have been available at the same time), along with an April Fools 2023 video acknowledging Timerra and Ivy appearing in the second 2023 summer banner, many fans have wondered whether if Intelligent Systems doesn't have as much faith in the game compared to the other two mainline titles. While they initially started to get better showings as 2023 went on, it came to a head when Choose Your Legends 8 came out, and there were absolutely zero winners from ''Engage'' when most fans expected at least ''one'' character to win. However, at the same time as the Choose Your Legends 8 was announced, Mythic Lumera and Emblem Marth were announced in an [[UnexpectedCharacter unexpected way]]. The latter finally integrated the Emblem Rings mechanic to the mobile game. 18 days later, there's another New Heroes banner featuring Rearmed Hortensia, Attuned Ivy, Rosado and Kagetsu with Mauvier of the Four Hounds as the Grand Hero Battle unit. Later after that said banner, Chloé got its character alt and Framme, as a seasonal unit, were added in "A Place to Rest" spring banner.
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* Despite being a decently powerful unit (in part thanks to his ludicrously high statline), Alfred hit this hard when he was featured in the April 2024 Hall of Forms. It all stems from one thing: Alfred in ''Heroes'' is a Rearmed Hero, a premium unit designed to be foddered and merged over and over again - and Formas cannot be foddered off or merged into other copies of that Hero. With most other characters, it's an ObviousRulePatch to keep people from abusing Hall of Forms to get premium skills for free: with Alfred (and by extension all other Rearmed/Attuned Heroes), [[EpicFail it renders him basically useless]]. Within ''the day of the event srarting'', Alfred received widespread derision for being the only character with an objectively useless Forma.
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* Despite being a decently powerful unit (in part thanks to his ludicrously high statline), Alfred hit this hard when he was featured in the April 2024 Hall of Forms. It all stems from one thing: Alfred in ''Heroes'' is a Rearmed Hero, a premium unit designed to be foddered and merged over and over again - and Formas cannot be foddered off or merged into other copies of that Hero. With most other characters, it's an ObviousRulePatch to keep people from abusing Hall of Forms to get premium skills for free: with Alfred (and by extension all other Rearmed/Attuned Heroes), [[EpicFail it renders him basically useless]]. Within ''the day ''a day'' of the event srarting'', starting, Alfred received widespread derision for being the only character with an objectively useless Forma.
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* Despite being a decently powerful unit (in part thanks to his ludicrously high statline), Alfred hit this hard when he was featured in the April 2024 Hall of Forms. It all stems from one thing: Alfred in ''Heroes'' is a Rearmed Hero, a premium unit designed to be foddered and merged over and over again - and Formas cannot be foddered off or merged into other copies of that Hero. With most other characters, it's an ObviousRulePatch to keep people from abusing Hall of Forms to get premium skills for free: with Alfred (and by extension all other Rearmed/Attuned Heroes), [[EpicFail it renders him basically useless]]. Within ''the day of the event srarting'', Alfred received widespread derision for being the only character with an objectively useless Forma.
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*** Out of all the male [=OCs=] however, Njörðr is the one who got treated the absolute ''worst''. He was a fairly decent, albeit forgettable, mentor character during Book VII, and the fans were excited to see what would happen with their new twist villain... only for the king of Vanaheimr to enter his downward spiral as he was ''immediately'' killed off in the very next chapter [[TheUnfought without a single fight against him]], [[SpotlightStealingSquad Gullveig taking over as the villain again]], [[DisappointingLastLevel the story ended in what many felt was an unsatisfying note]], ''and'' he was left in the club of Male [=OCs=] who were not going to receive their base form until 3 years after their respective Book ends. Adding salt to the wound is that unlike male [=OCs=] (save Ótr) who at least had received a seasonal alt to tide fans over until their full release in 3 years ''and'' were all fought at least once so people could hear their voice lines, see their full combat art, etc., Njörðr received absolutely ''nothing'', leaving him in a state of limbo that no other OC has had the displeasure of being stuck in.
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*** Out of all the male [=OCs=] however, Njörðr is the one who got treated the absolute ''worst''. He was a fairly decent, albeit forgettable, mentor character during Book VII, and until it was revealed that he was the mastermind behind Gullveig's creation. The fans were excited to see what would happen with their new twist villain... only for the king King of Vanaheimr to enter his downward spiral as he was ''immediately'' killed off in the very next chapter [[TheUnfought without a single fight against him]], [[SpotlightStealingSquad Gullveig taking over as the villain again]], [[DisappointingLastLevel the story ended in what many felt was an unsatisfying note]], ''and'' he was left in the club of Male [=OCs=] who were not going to receive their base form until 3 years after their respective Book ends. Adding salt to the wound is that unlike male [=OCs=] (save (sans Ótr) who at least had received a seasonal alt to tide fans over until their full release in 3 years ''and'' were all fought at least once so people could hear their voice lines, see their full combat art, etc., Njörðr received absolutely ''nothing'', leaving him in a state of limbo that no other OC has had the displeasure of being stuck in.
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Alt limbo/hell is truly like the Hydra: Take one out, and 1-3 more people will take their place.
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* Every character that is either exclusively a seasonal unit [[labelnote:So far, this includes...]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes Henriette, Bruno, Fáfnir, Elm,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemShadowDragonAndTheBladeOfLight Darros, Rickard, Xane,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemGaiden Deen, Rinea, Rudolf,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemGenealogyOfTheHolyWar Brigid,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemThracia776 Lifis,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBindingBlade Wolt, Zelot, Geese, Juno,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBlazingBlade Mark,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones Artur, Dozla, Saleh,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance Greil, Boyd, Rolf, Rhys, Zihark,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemRadiantDawn Vika, Tormod, Rafiel, Heather, Kyza, Lyre, Kurthnaga, Ena, Dheginsea, Sephiran,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Kellam, Noire,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Fuga, Reina]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemThreeHouses Dorothea, Caspar, Ashe, Raphael, Leonie, Ignatz, Lorenz, Manuela]], ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemEngage Engage]]'' [[VideoGame/FireEmblemEngage Anna, Yunaka, Timerra, and Seadall]]. [[/labelnote]], an "alt" in the regular/grail pool [[labelnote:So far, this includes...]][[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones Orson,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance Muarim, Ashnard,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Mikoto, and Anankos]][[/labelnote]], or both [[labelnote:So far this includes...]][[VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes Gustav, "Books 1-5" Veronica]], and ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Awakening]]'' [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Anna]].[[/labelnote]], are made fun of as a whole, since being introduced in these ways tends to heavily lowers their chances of being featured in their normal outfits on New Heroes banners. Jokes about these characters being stuck in "seasonal/alt hell" are very common throughout the fanbase. While this mantle applies to any character introduced this way, there are a few notable examples...
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* Every character that is either exclusively a seasonal unit [[labelnote:So far, this includes...]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes Henriette, Bruno, Fáfnir, Elm,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemShadowDragonAndTheBladeOfLight Darros, Rickard, Xane,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemGaiden Deen, Rinea, Rudolf,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemGenealogyOfTheHolyWar Brigid,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemThracia776 Lifis,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBindingBlade Wolt, Zelot, Geese, Juno,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBlazingBlade Mark,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones Artur, Dozla, Saleh,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance Greil, Boyd, Rolf, Rhys, Zihark,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemRadiantDawn Vika, Tormod, Rafiel, Heather, Kyza, Lyre, Kurthnaga, Ena, Dheginsea, Sephiran,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Kellam, Noire,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Fuga, Reina]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemThreeHouses Dorothea, Caspar, Ashe, Raphael, Leonie, Ignatz, Lorenz, Manuela]], ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemEngage Engage]]'' [[VideoGame/FireEmblemEngage Framme, Anna, Yunaka, Timerra, and Seadall]]. [[/labelnote]], an "alt" in the regular/grail pool [[labelnote:So far, this includes...]][[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones Orson,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance Muarim, Ashnard,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Mikoto, and Anankos]][[/labelnote]], or both [[labelnote:So far this includes...]][[VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes Gustav, "Books 1-5" Veronica]], and ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Awakening]]'' [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Anna]].[[/labelnote]], are made fun of as a whole, since being introduced in these ways tends to heavily lowers their chances of being featured in their normal outfits on New Heroes banners. Jokes about these characters being stuck in "seasonal/alt hell" are very common throughout the fanbase. While this mantle applies to any character introduced this way, there are a few notable examples...
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** Despite being a very popular character with all her playable variants being considered anywhere from "good" to "broken", Edelgard became a huge butt of jokes for losing '''[[https://i.redd.it/me7zxu9a4hla1.png 10 times in 9 voting gauntlets]]''', making her the current undisputed biggest loser in voting gauntlet history. While she did make it in the final rounds of two of them (Kingdoms vs. Empires and Brave Reprisals), in the 5 years of having at least one of her variants participate in every post-2018 AHR finals voting gauntlet, her status as this is even ''worse''. Not only did she not have any of her variants win a single AHR voting gauntlet despite being in the Top 8 every year, but she has '''''never''''' gotten past the first round of each, especially losing to [[UnderdogsNeverLose characters that are less popular than her]][[note]]So far, she lost to Legendary Leif in 2020, Legendary Dimitri in 2021, Hatari Harmonic Azura & Leanne in 2022, Legendary Veronica with her Summer variant (''alongside'' 2020 AHR winner Altina) '''and''' Ninja Camilla with her Fallen variant in 2023, and Attuned Peony in 2024.[[/note]], and the fact that she also lost in the first round of an ''additional'' two Voting Gauntlets in 2022 (Dueling Darkness to Fallen Rhea and Sea-Spray Skirmish to Summer Micaiah) and getting knocked out in ''both'' of them doesn't help.
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** Despite being a very popular character with all her playable variants being considered anywhere from "good" to "broken", Edelgard became a huge butt of jokes for losing '''[[https://i.redd.it/me7zxu9a4hla1.png '''[[https://www.reddit.com/r/FireEmblemHeroes/comments/1b5b0df/edelgards_now_updated_voting_gauntlet_history/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button 10 times in 9 voting gauntlets]]''', making her the current undisputed biggest loser in voting gauntlet history. While she did make it in the final rounds of two of them (Kingdoms vs. Empires and Brave Reprisals), in the 5 years of having at least one of her variants participate in every post-2018 AHR finals voting gauntlet, her status as this is even ''worse''. Not only did she not have any of her variants win a single AHR voting gauntlet despite being in the Top 8 every year, but she has '''''never''''' gotten past the first round of each, especially losing to [[UnderdogsNeverLose characters that are less popular than her]][[note]]So far, she lost to Legendary Leif in 2020, Legendary Dimitri in 2021, Hatari Harmonic Azura & Leanne in 2022, Legendary Veronica with her Summer variant (''alongside'' 2020 AHR winner Altina) '''and''' Ninja Camilla with her Fallen variant in 2023, and Attuned Peony in 2024.[[/note]], and the fact that she also lost in the first round of an ''additional'' two Voting Gauntlets in 2022 (Dueling Darkness to Fallen Rhea and Sea-Spray Skirmish to Summer Micaiah) and getting knocked out in ''both'' of them doesn't help.
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** Despite being a very popular character with all her playable variants being considered anywhere from "good" to "broken", Edelgard became a huge butt of jokes for losing '''[[https://i.redd.it/me7zxu9a4hla1.png 9 times in 8 voting gauntlets]]''', tying her with Chrom as the biggest losers in voting gauntlet history. While she did make it in the final rounds of two of them (Kingdoms vs. Empires and Brave Reprisals), in the 4 years of having at least one of her variants participate in every post-2018 AHR finals voting gauntlet, her status as this is even ''worse''. Not only did she not have any of her variants win a single AHR voting gauntlet despite being in the Top 8 every year, but she has '''''never''''' gotten past the first round of each, especially losing to [[UnderdogsNeverLose characters that are less popular than her]][[note]]So far, she lost to Legendary Leif in 2020, Legendary Dimitri in 2021, Hatari Harmonic Azura & Leanne in 2022, and Legendary Veronica with her Summer variant (''alongside'' 2020 AHR winner Altina) '''and''' Ninja Camilla with her Fallen variant in 2023.[[/note]], and the fact that she also lost in the first round of an ''additional'' two Voting Gauntlets in 2022 (Dueling Darkness to Fallen Rhea and Sea-Spray Skirmish to Summer Micaiah) and getting knocked out in ''both'' of them doesn't help.
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** Despite being a very popular character with all her playable variants being considered anywhere from "good" to "broken", Edelgard became a huge butt of jokes for losing '''[[https://i.redd.it/me7zxu9a4hla1.png 9 10 times in 8 9 voting gauntlets]]''', tying making her with Chrom as the current undisputed biggest losers loser in voting gauntlet history. While she did make it in the final rounds of two of them (Kingdoms vs. Empires and Brave Reprisals), in the 4 5 years of having at least one of her variants participate in every post-2018 AHR finals voting gauntlet, her status as this is even ''worse''. Not only did she not have any of her variants win a single AHR voting gauntlet despite being in the Top 8 every year, but she has '''''never''''' gotten past the first round of each, especially losing to [[UnderdogsNeverLose characters that are less popular than her]][[note]]So far, she lost to Legendary Leif in 2020, Legendary Dimitri in 2021, Hatari Harmonic Azura & Leanne in 2022, and Legendary Veronica with her Summer variant (''alongside'' 2020 AHR winner Altina) '''and''' Ninja Camilla with her Fallen variant in 2023.2023, and Attuned Peony in 2024.[[/note]], and the fact that she also lost in the first round of an ''additional'' two Voting Gauntlets in 2022 (Dueling Darkness to Fallen Rhea and Sea-Spray Skirmish to Summer Micaiah) and getting knocked out in ''both'' of them doesn't help.
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** Chrom's status in this regard mostly in terms of Voting Gauntlets, having been defeated no less than ''[[https://twitter.com/theprinceofiris/status/1698265675423182937?s=20 nine times]]'', with only Edelgard faring comparably to him. [[note]]Princes vs. Princesses, Choose Your Legends Top 8, Winter Festival vs. New Year's, Bunny Battle Ballot, Kingdoms vs Empires, Brave Championship, A Hero Rises 2023, Pervading Darkness, and Battle Beyond Time.[[/note]] Worse yet, his luck was ''even worse than Marth'' in Choose Your Legends, having all his chances dashed through various factors despite being a popular choice by many. People ended up chanting his MemeticLoser quote from the ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' franchise[[note]]"I suppose I'll get my chance another day"[[/note]] in the wake of this. Like Marth before him, he would ultimately [[ThrowTheDogABone have his bone thrown]] when he took victory in Choose Your Legends 6, and unlike Marth, there isn't even a hint of taint towards his triumph due to him placing first, and his Brave version has a unique gimmick where he gets to copy status effects from his allies, making him timeless.
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** Chrom's status in this regard mostly in terms of Voting Gauntlets, having been defeated no less than ''[[https://twitter.com/theprinceofiris/status/1698265675423182937?s=20 nine times]]'', with only Edelgard faring comparably to worse than him. [[note]]Princes vs. Princesses, Choose Your Legends Top 8, Winter Festival vs. New Year's, Bunny Battle Ballot, Kingdoms vs Empires, Brave Championship, A Hero Rises 2023, Pervading Darkness, and Battle Beyond Time.[[/note]] Worse yet, his luck was ''even worse than Marth'' in Choose Your Legends, having all his chances dashed through various factors despite being a popular choice by many. People ended up chanting his MemeticLoser quote from the ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' franchise[[note]]"I suppose I'll get my chance another day"[[/note]] in the wake of this. Like Marth before him, he would ultimately [[ThrowTheDogABone have his bone thrown]] when he took victory in Choose Your Legends 6, and unlike Marth, there isn't even a hint of taint towards his triumph due to him placing first, and his Brave version has a unique gimmick where he gets to copy status effects from his allies, making him timeless.
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** For the eigth Choose your Legends pool has poor [[VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance Muston]] hitting dead last, and, worse yet, '''also''' having a single vote just like Alder.
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** For the eigth eighth Choose your Legends pool has poor [[VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance Muston]] hitting dead last, and, worse yet, '''also''' having a single vote just like Alder.
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Well, that didn't last long.
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* Every character that is either exclusively a seasonal unit [[labelnote:So far, this includes...]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes Henriette, Bruno, Fáfnir, Elm,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemShadowDragonAndTheBladeOfLight Darros, Rickard, Xane,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemGaiden Deen, Rinea, Rudolf,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemGenealogyOfTheHolyWar Brigid,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemThracia776 Lifis,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBindingBlade Wolt, Zelot, Geese, Juno,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBlazingBlade Mark,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones Artur, Dozla, Saleh,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance Greil, Boyd, Rolf, Rhys, Zihark,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemRadiantDawn Vika, Tormod, Rafiel, Heather, Kyza, Lyre, Kurthnaga, Ena, Dheginsea, Sephiran,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Kellam, Noire,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Fuga, Reina]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemThreeHouses Dorothea, Caspar, Ashe, Raphael, Leonie, Ignatz, Lorenz, Manuela]], ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemEngage Engage]]'' [[VideoGame/FireEmblemEngage Anna, Yunaka, Ivy, Timerra, and Seadall]]. [[/labelnote]], an "alt" in the regular/grail pool [[labelnote:So far, this includes...]][[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones Orson,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance Muarim, Ashnard,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Mikoto, and Anankos]][[/labelnote]], or both [[labelnote:So far this includes...]][[VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes Gustav, "Books 1-5" Veronica]], and ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Awakening]]'' [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Anna]].[[/labelnote]], are made fun of as a whole, since being introduced in these ways tends to heavily lowers their chances of being featured in their normal outfits on New Heroes banners. Jokes about these characters being stuck in "seasonal/alt hell" are very common throughout the fanbase. While this mantle applies to any character introduced this way, there are a few notable examples...
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* Every character that is either exclusively a seasonal unit [[labelnote:So far, this includes...]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes Henriette, Bruno, Fáfnir, Elm,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemShadowDragonAndTheBladeOfLight Darros, Rickard, Xane,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemGaiden Deen, Rinea, Rudolf,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemGenealogyOfTheHolyWar Brigid,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemThracia776 Lifis,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBindingBlade Wolt, Zelot, Geese, Juno,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBlazingBlade Mark,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones Artur, Dozla, Saleh,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance Greil, Boyd, Rolf, Rhys, Zihark,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemRadiantDawn Vika, Tormod, Rafiel, Heather, Kyza, Lyre, Kurthnaga, Ena, Dheginsea, Sephiran,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Kellam, Noire,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Fuga, Reina]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemThreeHouses Dorothea, Caspar, Ashe, Raphael, Leonie, Ignatz, Lorenz, Manuela]], ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemEngage Engage]]'' [[VideoGame/FireEmblemEngage Anna, Yunaka, Ivy, Timerra, and Seadall]]. [[/labelnote]], an "alt" in the regular/grail pool [[labelnote:So far, this includes...]][[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones Orson,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance Muarim, Ashnard,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Mikoto, and Anankos]][[/labelnote]], or both [[labelnote:So far this includes...]][[VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes Gustav, "Books 1-5" Veronica]], and ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Awakening]]'' [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Anna]].[[/labelnote]], are made fun of as a whole, since being introduced in these ways tends to heavily lowers their chances of being featured in their normal outfits on New Heroes banners. Jokes about these characters being stuck in "seasonal/alt hell" are very common throughout the fanbase. While this mantle applies to any character introduced this way, there are a few notable examples...
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** Despite being a very popular character with all her playable variants being considered anywhere from "good" to "broken", Edelgard became a huge butt of jokes for losing '''[[https://i.redd.it/me7zxu9a4hla1.png 9 times in 8 voting gauntlets]]''', tying her with Chrom as the biggest losers in voting gauntlet history. While she did make it in the final rounds of two of them (Kingdoms vs. Empires and Brave Reprisals), in the 4 years of having at least one of her variants participate in every post-2018 AHR finals voting gauntlet, her status as this is even ''worse''. Not only did she not have any of her variants win a single AHR voting gauntlet despite being in the Top 8 every year, but she has '''''never''''' gotten past the first round of each, especially losing to [[UnderdogsNeverLose characters that are less popular than her]][[note]]So far, she lost to Legendary Leif in 2020, Legendary Dimitri in 2021, Hatari Harmonic Azura & Leanne in 2022, and Legendary Veronica with her Summer variant (''alongside'' 2020 AHR winner Altina) '''and''' Ninja Camilla with her Fallen variant in 2023.[[/note]], in the Dueling Darkness Voting Gauntlet in June 2022 she was just against a more popular character in the form of Fallen Rhea, and the Sea-Spray Skirmish Voting Gauntlet in July-August 2022 she lost to Summer Micaiah at the last hourly multiplier, with both results having her be knocked out in the first round.
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** Despite being a very popular character with all her playable variants being considered anywhere from "good" to "broken", Edelgard became a huge butt of jokes for losing '''[[https://i.redd.it/me7zxu9a4hla1.png 9 times in 8 voting gauntlets]]''', tying her with Chrom as the biggest losers in voting gauntlet history. While she did make it in the final rounds of two of them (Kingdoms vs. Empires and Brave Reprisals), in the 4 years of having at least one of her variants participate in every post-2018 AHR finals voting gauntlet, her status as this is even ''worse''. Not only did she not have any of her variants win a single AHR voting gauntlet despite being in the Top 8 every year, but she has '''''never''''' gotten past the first round of each, especially losing to [[UnderdogsNeverLose characters that are less popular than her]][[note]]So far, she lost to Legendary Leif in 2020, Legendary Dimitri in 2021, Hatari Harmonic Azura & Leanne in 2022, and Legendary Veronica with her Summer variant (''alongside'' 2020 AHR winner Altina) '''and''' Ninja Camilla with her Fallen variant in 2023.[[/note]], and the fact that she also lost in the Dueling first round of an ''additional'' two Voting Gauntlets in 2022 (Dueling Darkness Voting Gauntlet in June 2022 she was just against a more popular character in the form of to Fallen Rhea, Rhea and the Sea-Spray Skirmish Voting Gauntlet in July-August 2022 she lost to Summer Micaiah at the last hourly multiplier, with both results having her be Micaiah) and getting knocked out in the first round.''both'' of them doesn't help.
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** ''Awakening'', despite its popularity and having saved the series, is sometimes seen this way, as new additions are very slow especially compared to games like ''Fates'', to the point when a banner which added a number of characters from the game along side Mirabilis, a daydream fairy, fans remarked "Of course it's almost like a dream that it'd happen."
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** ''Awakening'', despite its popularity and having saved the series, is sometimes seen this way, as new additions are very slow especially compared to games like ''Fates'', to the point when a banner which added a number of characters from the game along side Mirabilis, a daydream fairy, fans remarked "Of course it's almost like a dream that it'd happen."happen".
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** Funny enough, ''VideoGame/FireEmblemEngage'' as a group has been hit with this status considering [[BreakingOldTrends that unlike the other mainline games]] (''Echoes: Shadows of Valentia'' and''Three Houses'') released after ''Heroes'', it has only had one "New Heroes" banner instead of two consecutive ones, which has generally only been relegated to spinoff titles (''Tokyo Mirage Sessions'' and ''Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes''). Considering that only one gender (female) of the protagonist Alear has currently appeared (usually both genders of the protagonist have been available at the same time), along with an April Fools 2023 video acknowledging Timerra and Ivy appearing in the second 2023 summer banner, many fans have wondered whether if Intelligent Systems doesn't have as much faith in the game compared to the other two mainline titles. This status had began to fade after the game finally got another New Heroes banner that includes Diamant, Alcryst as a Rearmed Hero, and Citrinne, alongside 3-4* demote Lapis, Male Alear as a login bonus, and Zephia as a GHB unit, though it saw a brief resurgence with the Fomortiis & Gotoh Limited Hero Battle map being restricted to ''Engage'' units, as the scarce pool of those units, let alone free-to-play units, made those two bosses [[ThatOneBoss even more brutal than they already were]]. However, this status came back full force once the winners for Choose Your Legends 8 were announced, as there were absolutely zero winners from ''Engage'' when most fans expected characters like Yunaka, Ivy, Diamant, and/or both genders of Alear to win.
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** Funny enough, ''VideoGame/FireEmblemEngage'' as a group has been hit with this status considering [[BreakingOldTrends that unlike the other mainline games]] (''Echoes: Shadows of Valentia'' and''Three Houses'') released after ''Heroes'', it has only had one "New Heroes" banner instead of two consecutive ones, which has generally only been relegated to spinoff titles (''Tokyo Mirage Sessions'' and ''Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes''). Considering that only one gender (female) of the protagonist Alear has currently appeared (usually both genders of the protagonist have been available at the same time), along with an April Fools 2023 video acknowledging Timerra and Ivy appearing in the second 2023 summer banner, many fans have wondered whether if Intelligent Systems doesn't have as much faith in the game compared to the other two mainline titles. This status had began to fade after the game finally got another New Heroes banner that includes Diamant, Alcryst as a Rearmed Hero, and Citrinne, alongside 3-4* demote Lapis, Male Alear as a login bonus, and Zephia as a GHB unit, though it saw a brief resurgence with the Fomortiis & Gotoh Limited Hero Battle map being restricted to ''Engage'' units, as the scarce pool of those units, let alone free-to-play units, made those two bosses [[ThatOneBoss even more brutal than While they already were]]. However, this status initially started to get better showings as 2023 went on, it came back full force once the winners for to a head when Choose Your Legends 8 were announced, as came out, and there were absolutely zero winners from ''Engage'' when most fans expected characters like Yunaka, Ivy, Diamant, and/or both genders of Alear at least ''one'' character to win.
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*** Out of all the male [=OCs=] however, Njörðr is the one who got treated the absolute ''worst''. He was a fairly decent, albeit forgettable, mentor character during Book VII, and the fans were excited to see what would happen with their new twist villain... only for the king of Vanaheimr to enter his downward spiral as he was ''immediately'' killed off in the very next chapter [[TheUnfought without a single fight against him]], [[SpotlightStealingSquad Gullveig taking over as the villain again]], [[DisappointingLastLevel the story ended in what many felt was an unsatisfying note]], ''and'' he was left in the club of Male [=OCs=] who were not going to receive their base form until 3 years after their respective Book ends. Adding salt to the wound is that unlike male [=OCs=] who at least had received a seasonal alt to tide fans over until their full release in 3 years ''and'' were all fought at least once so people could hear their voice lines, see their full combat art, etc., Njörðr received absolutely ''nothing'', leaving him in a state of limbo that no other OC has had the displeasure of being stuck in.
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*** Out of all the male [=OCs=] however, Njörðr is the one who got treated the absolute ''worst''. He was a fairly decent, albeit forgettable, mentor character during Book VII, and the fans were excited to see what would happen with their new twist villain... only for the king of Vanaheimr to enter his downward spiral as he was ''immediately'' killed off in the very next chapter [[TheUnfought without a single fight against him]], [[SpotlightStealingSquad Gullveig taking over as the villain again]], [[DisappointingLastLevel the story ended in what many felt was an unsatisfying note]], ''and'' he was left in the club of Male [=OCs=] who were not going to receive their base form until 3 years after their respective Book ends. Adding salt to the wound is that unlike male [=OCs=] (save Ótr) who at least had received a seasonal alt to tide fans over until their full release in 3 years ''and'' were all fought at least once so people could hear their voice lines, see their full combat art, etc., Njörðr received absolutely ''nothing'', leaving him in a state of limbo that no other OC has had the displeasure of being stuck in.
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This year's CYL loser, everybody
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** For the eigth Choose your Legends pool has poor [[VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance Muston]] hitting dead last, and, worse yet, '''also''' having a single vote just like Alder.
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No Engage winners for Choose Your Legends 8 was absolutely unexpected. Poor Engage.
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** Funny enough, ''VideoGame/FireEmblemEngage'' as a group has been hit with this status considering [[BreakingOldTrends that unlike the other mainline games]] (''Echoes: Shadows of Valentia'' and''Three Houses'') released after ''Heroes'', it has only had one "New Heroes" banner instead of two consecutive ones, which has generally only been relegated to spinoff titles (''Tokyo Mirage Sessions'' and ''Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes''). Considering that only one gender (female) of the protagonist Alear has currently appeared (usually both genders of the protagonist have been available at the same time), along with an April Fools 2023 video acknowledging Timerra and Ivy appearing in the second 2023 summer banner, many fans have wondered whether if Intelligent Systems doesn't have as much faith in the game compared to the other two mainline titles. This status had began to fade after the game finally got another New Heroes banner that includes Diamant, Alcryst as a Rearmed Hero, and Citrinne, alongside 3-4* demote Lapis, Male Alear as a login bonus, and Zephia as a GHB unit, though it saw a brief resurgence with the Fomortiis & Gotoh Limited Hero Battle map being restricted to ''Engage'' units, as the scarce pool of those units, let alone free-to-play units, made those two bosses [[ThatOneBoss even more brutal than they already were]].
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** Funny enough, ''VideoGame/FireEmblemEngage'' as a group has been hit with this status considering [[BreakingOldTrends that unlike the other mainline games]] (''Echoes: Shadows of Valentia'' and''Three Houses'') released after ''Heroes'', it has only had one "New Heroes" banner instead of two consecutive ones, which has generally only been relegated to spinoff titles (''Tokyo Mirage Sessions'' and ''Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes''). Considering that only one gender (female) of the protagonist Alear has currently appeared (usually both genders of the protagonist have been available at the same time), along with an April Fools 2023 video acknowledging Timerra and Ivy appearing in the second 2023 summer banner, many fans have wondered whether if Intelligent Systems doesn't have as much faith in the game compared to the other two mainline titles. This status had began to fade after the game finally got another New Heroes banner that includes Diamant, Alcryst as a Rearmed Hero, and Citrinne, alongside 3-4* demote Lapis, Male Alear as a login bonus, and Zephia as a GHB unit, though it saw a brief resurgence with the Fomortiis & Gotoh Limited Hero Battle map being restricted to ''Engage'' units, as the scarce pool of those units, let alone free-to-play units, made those two bosses [[ThatOneBoss even more brutal than they already were]]. However, this status came back full force once the winners for Choose Your Legends 8 were announced, as there were absolutely zero winners from ''Engage'' when most fans expected characters like Yunaka, Ivy, Diamant, and/or both genders of Alear to win.
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* Every character that is either exclusively a seasonal unit [[labelnote:So far, this includes...]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes Henriette, Bruno, Fáfnir, Elm,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemShadowDragonAndTheBladeOfLight Darros, Rickard, Xane,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemGaiden Deen, Rinea, Rudolf,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemGenealogyOfTheHolyWar Brigid,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemThracia776 Lifis,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBindingBlade Wolt, Zelot, Geese, Juno,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBlazingBlade Mark,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones Artur, Dozla, Saleh,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance Greil, Boyd, Rolf, Rhys, Zihark,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemRadiantDawn Vika, Rafiel, Heather, Kyza, Lyre, Kurthnaga, Ena, Dheginsea, Sephiran,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Kellam, Noire,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Fuga, Reina]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemThreeHouses Dorothea, Caspar, Ashe, Raphael, Leonie, Ignatz, Lorenz, Manuela]], ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemEngage Engage]]'' [[VideoGame/FireEmblemEngage Anna, Yunaka, Ivy, Timerra, and Seadall]]. [[/labelnote]], an "alt" in the regular/grail pool [[labelnote:So far, this includes...]][[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones Orson,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance Muarim, Ashnard,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Mikoto, and Anankos]][[/labelnote]], or both [[labelnote:So far this includes...]][[VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes Gustav, "Books 1-5" Veronica]], and ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Awakening]]'' [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Anna]].[[/labelnote]], are made fun of as a whole, since being introduced in these ways tends to heavily lowers their chances of being featured in their normal outfits on New Heroes banners. Jokes about these characters being stuck in "seasonal/alt hell" are very common throughout the fanbase. While this mantle applies to any character introduced this way, there are a few notable examples...
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* Every character that is either exclusively a seasonal unit [[labelnote:So far, this includes...]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes Henriette, Bruno, Fáfnir, Elm,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemShadowDragonAndTheBladeOfLight Darros, Rickard, Xane,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemGaiden Deen, Rinea, Rudolf,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemGenealogyOfTheHolyWar Brigid,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemThracia776 Lifis,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBindingBlade Wolt, Zelot, Geese, Juno,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBlazingBlade Mark,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones Artur, Dozla, Saleh,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance Greil, Boyd, Rolf, Rhys, Zihark,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemRadiantDawn Vika, Tormod, Rafiel, Heather, Kyza, Lyre, Kurthnaga, Ena, Dheginsea, Sephiran,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Kellam, Noire,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Fuga, Reina]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemThreeHouses Dorothea, Caspar, Ashe, Raphael, Leonie, Ignatz, Lorenz, Manuela]], ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemEngage Engage]]'' [[VideoGame/FireEmblemEngage Anna, Yunaka, Ivy, Timerra, and Seadall]]. [[/labelnote]], an "alt" in the regular/grail pool [[labelnote:So far, this includes...]][[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones Orson,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance Muarim, Ashnard,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Mikoto, and Anankos]][[/labelnote]], or both [[labelnote:So far this includes...]][[VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes Gustav, "Books 1-5" Veronica]], and ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Awakening]]'' [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Anna]].[[/labelnote]], are made fun of as a whole, since being introduced in these ways tends to heavily lowers their chances of being featured in their normal outfits on New Heroes banners. Jokes about these characters being stuck in "seasonal/alt hell" are very common throughout the fanbase. While this mantle applies to any character introduced this way, there are a few notable examples...
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** [[VideoGame/FireEmblemShadowDragonAndTheBladeOfLight Xane,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemThreeHouses Dorothea, and Ashe]] all have more than one alt, seasonal or otherwise, but no original variant, Dorothea in particular having three separate alts with no base forms. Veronica qualifies too, but her main form is still seen (and fought), while Dorothea, Ashe, and Xane's have yet to appear.
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** [[VideoGame/FireEmblemShadowDragonAndTheBladeOfLight Xane,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBindingBlade Juno,]] [[VideoGame/FireEmblemThreeHouses Dorothea, and Ashe]] all have more than one alt, seasonal or otherwise, but no original variant, Dorothea in particular having three separate alts with no base forms. Veronica qualifies too, but her main form is still seen (and fought), while Dorothea, Ashe, and Xane's have yet to appear.
