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30th Aug '16 9:30:26 PM PaulA
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* In the ''Series/DoctorWho''VirginNewAdventures novel ''Just War'', the Doctor deconstructs this mindset in a Russian Roulette confrontation with a captured Nazi, pointing out that even if you get to write the history books it doesn't make you and your cause good:

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* In the ''Series/DoctorWho''VirginNewAdventures ''Literature/DoctorWhoNewAdventures'' novel ''Just War'', the Doctor deconstructs this mindset in a Russian Roulette confrontation with a captured Nazi, pointing out that even if you get to write the history books it doesn't make you and your cause good:
28th Aug '16 7:41:56 PM Ainzee
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** Played with over the events of the Dance of The Dragons, particularly in that there ''were'' no winners. Black history books portray Rhaenyra as a woman trying to reclaim her birthright from a murderous usurper and his scheming mother. Green history books portray her as a mentally unstable harlot who tried to steal the throne from her brother, male-preference primogeniture be damned. In all reality, it's become increasingly clear that they were both mentally unstable murderers, and were [[NotSoDifferent]]. Aegon had Rhaenyra eaten by his dragon ''in front of her son'', as well as having one of his supporters murder Rhaenyra's son for seeking support with the Baratheons. in retaliation, Rhaenyra had two men sneak into the Red Keep and force a mother to choose which of her children she wanted dead, and then proceed to murder ''the other one'', so the living child would spend the rest of his life knowing his mother wanted him dead. What would have happened had either of them kept the throne may never be known, but it probably wouldn't have been good.

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** Played with over the events of the Dance of The Dragons, particularly in that there ''were'' no winners. Black history books portray Rhaenyra as a woman trying to reclaim her birthright from a murderous usurper and his scheming mother. Green history books portray her as a mentally unstable harlot who tried to steal the throne from her brother, male-preference primogeniture be damned. In all reality, it's become increasingly clear that they were both mentally unstable murderers, and were [[NotSoDifferent]].[[NotSoDifferent not so different]]. Aegon had Rhaenyra eaten by his dragon ''in front of her son'', as well as having one of his supporters murder Rhaenyra's son for seeking support with the Baratheons. in retaliation, Rhaenyra had two men sneak into the Red Keep and force a mother to choose which of her children she wanted dead, and then proceed to murder ''the other one'', so the living child would spend the rest of his life knowing his mother wanted him dead. What would have happened had either of them kept the throne may never be known, but it probably wouldn't have been good.
28th Aug '16 7:40:27 PM Ainzee
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** Played with over the events of the Dance of The Dragons, particularly in that there ''were'' no winners. Black history books portray Rhaenyra as a woman trying to reclaim her birthright from a murderous usurper and his scheming mother. Green history books portray her as a mentally unstable harlot who tried to steal the throne from her brother, male-preference primogeniture be damned. In all reality, it's become increasingly clear that they were both mentally unstable murderers, and were [[NotSoDifferent]]. Aegon had Rhaenyra eaten by his dragon ''in front of her son'', as well as having one of his supporters murder Rhaenyra's son for seeking support with the Baratheons. in retaliation, Rhaenyra had two men sneak into the Red Keep and force a mother to choose which of her children she wanted dead, and then proceed to murder ''the other one'', so the living child would spend the rest of his life knowing his mother wanted him dead. What would have happened had either of them kept the throne may never be known, but it probably wouldn't have been good.
16th Aug '16 8:22:36 AM BeerBaron
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* In the ''Series/TheElderScrolls'' backstory, as shown most prominently in ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'': Because of [[PlotTriggeringDeath Nerevar's death]], the disappearance of the Dwemer, [[BigBad Dagoth Ur's]] [[KingInTheMountain presumed death]], and the fact that Azura is a [[OurDemonsAreDifferent Daedric Prince]] who doesn't often openly communicate with mortals, [[PhysicalGod the Tribunal]] were the only ones present for [[TheRashomon the events following the Battle of Red Mountain]] left in a position to declare how the events there took place. As such, the [[CorruptChurch Tribunal Temple's]] ''official'' story about what happened is the most widely accepted version, even though it is clearly the version most full of BlatantLies and [[MetaphoricallyTrue Metaphorical Truths]] out of those that comprise TheRashomon once you've done a little research. All stories to the contrary are considered heresy, kept alive only by the actions of the [[NobleSavage Ashlander]] Nerevarine Cult and the [[DefectorFromDecadence Dissident Priests]].
11th Aug '16 10:24:00 PM PaulA
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* Of the latter, Creator/LoisMcMasterBujold's ''[[Literature/VorkosiganSaga The Vor Game]]''. Gregor hasn't heard ''any'' of the stories about his father except stuff he could dismiss as propaganda. Miles is able to assure him that the stories he has heard are not all true.

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* Of the latter, Creator/LoisMcMasterBujold's ''[[Literature/VorkosiganSaga The Vor Game]]''.''Literature/TheVorGame''. Gregor hasn't heard ''any'' of the stories about his father except stuff he could dismiss as propaganda. Miles is able to assure him that the stories he has heard are not all true.
11th Aug '16 5:29:36 PM JackG
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* Subverted in the AlternateHistory novel ''Resurrection Day'', in which the Cuban Missile Crisis turned into WW3. The Soviet Union [[AtomicHate has been obliterated]] and the United States has been reduced to a virtual Third World country. President Kennedy, who died in the war, has been blamed for the situation, but the actual culprit is the GeneralRipper who now runs the US as a military dictatorship. As one character states, in this case history has been written by the survivors.

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* Subverted in the AlternateHistory novel ''Resurrection Day'', in which the Cuban Missile Crisis turned into WW3. The Soviet Union [[AtomicHate has been obliterated]] and while the United States has been reduced to a virtual Third World country. President Kennedy, who died in the war, has been blamed for the situation, but the actual culprit is the GeneralRipper who now runs the US as a military dictatorship. As one character states, in this case history has been written by the survivors.
11th Aug '16 5:27:48 PM JackG
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* Subverted in the AlternateHistory novel ''Resurrection Day'', in which the Cuban Missile Crisis turned into WW3. The Soviet Union [[AtomicHate has been obliterated]] and the United States has been reduced to a virtual Third World country. President Kennedy, who died in the war, has been blamed for the situation, but the actual culprit is the GeneralRipper who now runs the US as a military dictatorship. As one character states, in this case history has been written by the survivors.
10th Aug '16 12:51:50 PM hamza678
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** Both the settlers and the Native Americans occasionally kidnapped each other's children and tried to convert them, however settlers converting Native American children has always been more likely to be portrayed as "saving them" than the otehr way around.

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** Both the settlers and the Native Americans occasionally kidnapped each other's children and tried to convert them, however settlers converting Native American children has always been more likely to be portrayed as "saving them" than the otehr other way around.
9th Aug '16 3:34:07 AM NoxSky12599
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* ''Series/BabylonFive'': After conquering the Narns a second time, the Centauri lay the blame for the conflict squarely on their shoulders, to the point of placing every member of the Narn ruling council on trial for war crimes. Then again, the two powers have been taking stabs at each other ever since the Narns overthrew the Centauri the ''first'' time (including the Narns secretly selling Centauri weapons to humans during the Earth-Minbari War). And the Centauri are still not willing to acknowledge that the first time even happened either. They keep claiming that they landed peacefully on Narn and uplifted the primitives. Given that G'Kar's father was hung in the desert by his thumbs until he died of dehydration, it's highly unlikely to have been the case.

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* ''Series/BabylonFive'': After conquering the Narns a second time, the Centauri lay the blame for the conflict squarely on their shoulders, to the point of placing every member of the Narn ruling council on trial for war crimes. crimes (this just after the Centauri used orbital bombardment with meteors on the Narn homeworld, something which is outlawed by every civilized government in the setting). Then again, the two powers have been taking stabs at each other ever since the Narns Centauri overthrew the Centauri Narns the ''first'' time (including the Narns secretly selling Centauri weapons to humans during the Earth-Minbari War).time. And the Centauri are still not willing to acknowledge that the first time even happened either. They keep claiming that they landed peacefully on Narn and uplifted the primitives. primitives, who repaid their generosity with violence. The Narn on the other hand claim they peacefully greeted the strange alien visitors, who then conquered and enslaved them. Given that G'Kar's father was hung in the desert from a tree by his thumbs until he died of dehydration, it's highly unlikely to have been ''three days later'' (for the case.crime of ''accidentally spilling a cup of tea on a Centauri woman''), it renders the Centauri account a bit questionable.
22nd Jul '16 10:54:17 PM ScotieRw
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** Both the settlers and the Native Americans occasionally kidnapped each other's children and tried to convert them, however settlers converting Native American children has always been more likely to be portrayed as "saving them" than the otehr way around.
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