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23rd Jun '16 10:30:04 PM HighCrate
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* Beth and Jerry in ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'' have this dynamic to the extreme. Jerry is constantly shown as being idiotic, self-defeating, and inadequate, while Beth is allowed to put him down because she tolerates his behavior.

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* {{Subverted}} and {{deconstructed}} by Beth and Jerry in ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'' have this dynamic to the extreme. ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty''. Jerry is constantly shown as being idiotic, self-defeating, and inadequate, while and he allows Beth is allowed to put him down because she tolerates his behavior. many failings. That certainly looks like this dynamic at first, but it slowly becomes apparent that Beth tolerates their codependent relationship because she is in many ways just as broken as Jerry, getting a perverse schadenfreude-laden pleasure out of seeing him fail so that she can continue feeling superior and knowing that, pathetic as he is, he'll never leave her the way her father did no matter how badly she treats him. Ultimately, Beth is almost certainly more intelligent and competent than Jerry, but ''wiser''? Nuh-uh.
23rd Jun '16 6:52:43 PM DankWarMouse
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* Beth and Jerry in ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'' have this dynamic to the extreme. Jerry is constantly shown as being idiotic, self-defeating, and inadequate, while Beth is allowed to put him down because she tolerates his behavior.
30th May '16 5:31:27 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* TrinityBlood: The female rulers and leaders are generally portrayed as more competent or in a better light. When they commit grave mistakes, they are just flawed and tragic rather than tyrannical or evil. The vast majority of the Saints who guided humanity were women. Most male leaders are either corrupted tyrants, cruel, or the big bad. The only exception is the Pope, who is mostly cast in an incompetent light.

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* TrinityBlood: LightNovel/TrinityBlood: The female rulers and leaders are generally portrayed as more competent or in a better light. When they commit grave mistakes, they are just flawed and tragic rather than tyrannical or evil. The vast majority of the Saints who guided humanity were women. Most male leaders are either corrupted tyrants, cruel, or the big bad. The only exception is the Pope, who is mostly cast in an incompetent light.
28th May '16 10:41:32 AM kquinn0830
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* {{Defied|Trope}} and mocked in ''Film/{{Neighbors 2014}}'', by Kelly when Mac asks her why she's not reining in his crazy revenge fantasies -- she herself has those same urges.

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* {{Defied|Trope}} and mocked in ''Film/{{Neighbors 2014}}'', by Kelly when Mac asks her why she's not reining in his crazy revenge fantasies -- she herself has those same urges. Nearly every review of the movie (even the negative ones) praised it for doing this.
15th Apr '16 9:04:31 AM CerotechOmega
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* ''WesternAnimation/SonicBoom'', on the other hand, is willing to play with gender dynamics for laughs on a case-by-case basis. The episode "Into the Wilderness" does show Amy and Sticks being wiser than Sonic and Knuckles in regards to wilderness survival, but when you consider that [[WildChild Sticks]] is the group's expert on the subject and [[TeamMom Amy]] was more willing to learn than [[AwesomeEgo Sonic]], [[JustifiedTrope it makes complete sense]].
13th Apr '16 7:38:14 AM Morgenthaler
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** However, between Lizzie herself and Gordo, Gordo is usually the sensible one.



*** Lizzie is the sensible one between her and Matt, though. Also played straight with Matt and his [[ToyShip girlfriend]].



** That's not saying much. Everyone is almost always ridiculously, over the top incompetent they only seem better when compared to the people they deal with. However, everyone, except maybe Weigel, gets several moments of actual intelligence.



** It's not that Turk actually causes the relationship problems, more that Scrubs '''runs''' on TheUnfairSex. [[SeriesBible The moral laws of the show]] seem to contain one stating that relationships are about making the female happy, without real or balanced regard for male happiness. [[JerkAss Dr. Kelso]] definitely gets more from his marriage than his wife, yes, but primarily by keeping several mistresses at once and patronizing Southeast Asian whores. Dr. Cox actually leaves a happy (but new) relationship to get back together with his ex-wife when she announces that she got pregnant off of a Greek pool-boy (though it did eventually turn out the baby was in fact Dr. Cox's), though in a minor subversion Dr. Cox is portrayed as genuinely happy with this state of affairs in the later seasons.



* Dr. Cameron is often the voice of morality in ''Series/{{House}}'s'' medical team. However her morals are often a bit questionable.

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Dr. Cameron is often the voice of morality in ''Series/{{House}}'s'' House's medical team. However her morals are often a bit questionable.



** It's fairly debatably how much of an a true example any of those really are. Also, ''Series/That70sShow'' features a complete inversion in the case of Jackie and Hyde, where ''he'' is the one who acts mature for both of them (and not by a long shot, either).



** The undead tend to not be very rational-minded.
*** To paraphrase Ned: "[[InsistentTerminology Not undead. When you're alive you're alive, when you're dead you're dead, but when you're dead, then you're alive, you're alive again. Can't we just say alive again]]?"



** First season, maybe. But these days she's becoming Michael's conscience, constantly reminding him that family and friends are more important than getting un-burned. Also, despite her enthusiasm for her job, she clearly knows her limits and when she is in over her head. She will discourage Michael from getting involved with people she feels are too dangerous for them to handle.
** It still stays averted however, due to the fact that Sam is filling a similar role as Michael's logical anchor instead of moral, reminding him when he's acting paranoid or rash when they need to stop and think.



* In ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', we only saw Buffy's father a handful of times in the early seasons, but what little we did see of him indicated he was a genuinely caring, loving father to Buffy whose marriage to Joyce simply broke down, apparently not entirely the fault of either party. In later seasons, this appeared to be [[RetCon retconned]] to make her father a heartless bastard who ran off with his secretary to Spain and didn't care about his daughters or even about the fact that his ex-wife was dying, apparently solely because of this trope.
** It was less due to this trope and more because Joss Whedon had decided [[spoiler:that Joyce was to be killed off in season five, in order to force Buffy into the role of the responsible adult of her family; a major step in her development. This would have been impossible if her dad was still around, so he was written as a distant, uncaring asshole in order to facilitate the plot twist. Joss had this planned out before season 3 began; sure enough, season 3 is when Buffy's dad suddenly becomes a deadbeat]].
*** On the other hand, Joss is hardly unwilling to kill characters off. Granted, he hates to do it offscreen, and he prefers betrayal to mourning as a source of suffering for main characters. Still, there's something going on here that's probably sex-based. And of course within the show, the most primal powers beneficial to humanity (closest to "earth") seem to be very much feminine.

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* In ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', we ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'':
** We
only saw Buffy's father a handful of times in the early seasons, but what little we did see of him indicated he was a genuinely caring, loving father to Buffy whose marriage to Joyce simply broke down, apparently not entirely the fault of either party. In later seasons, this appeared to be [[RetCon retconned]] to make her father a heartless bastard who ran off with his secretary to Spain and didn't care about his daughters or even about the fact that his ex-wife was dying, apparently solely because of this trope.
** It was less due to this trope and more because Joss Whedon had decided [[spoiler:that Joyce was to be killed off in season five, in order to force Buffy into the role of the responsible adult of her family; a major step in her development. This would have been impossible if her dad was still around, so he was written as a distant, uncaring asshole in order to facilitate the plot twist. Joss had this planned out before season 3 began; sure enough, season 3 is when Buffy's dad suddenly becomes a deadbeat]].
*** On the other hand, Joss is hardly unwilling to kill characters off. Granted, he hates to do it offscreen, and he prefers betrayal to mourning as a source of suffering for main characters. Still, there's something going on here that's probably sex-based. And of course within the show, the most primal powers beneficial to humanity (closest to "earth") seem to be very much feminine.
trope.



*** Well, remember that it was Stan who planned the whole thing ''for'' Francine, to point of surprising her by blindfolding her and revealing it only when they are already on the plane; it wasn't like he was just along for the ride.
9th Apr '16 3:43:11 PM Grudgeal
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* Most of the women characters in ''ComicBook/{{Valhalla}}'' are wiser than their male counterparts, and tend to avoid the mental pit-traps that the men fall into thanks to their pride and stubbornness. This is particularly noticeable with Frigg, Odin's wife, whose role in the original mythology was also to be the voice of reason to her husband.
4th Apr '16 8:14:50 PM AdamNY
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* Play straight with Carl from ''Series/{{Family Matters}}'' -- in one episode, Carl claims he doesn't need help with cooking equipment. When that goes wrong the griller outside accidentally crashes into the house.

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* Play straight with Carl from ''Series/{{Family Matters}}'' -- in one episode, Carl claims he doesn't need help with cooking equipment.equipment, against Harriet's advise. When that goes wrong the griller outside accidentally crashes into the house. Basically, Harriet is right and Carl was wrong, you get the picture.
4th Apr '16 8:13:31 PM AdamNY
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* Monica and Chandler in ''Series/{{Friends}}'' flip-flop on this. Chandler tends to be practical, easygoing and somewhat [[ManChild scared of being a grownup]], but Monica has plenty of issues of her own, being neurotic, [[ControlFreak obsessive and overcompetitive]]. It ends up being more RedOniBlueOni than either of them being overall more level-headed than the other.


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* Play straight with Carl from ''Series/{{Family Matters}}'' -- in one episode, Carl claims he doesn't need help with cooking equipment. When that goes wrong the griller outside accidentally crashes into the house.
18th Mar '16 8:54:41 PM Hossmeister
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