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4th Dec '16 8:18:44 AM WhatArtThee
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** Many fans dropped out part-way during the [[DorkAge Johto arc]] and as a consequence not many watched the Hoenn ones. The Sinnoh arc attracted many fans back, with its DarkerAndEdgier plot compared to the previous seasons. It helped that Pokémon was hitting a PopularityPolynomial with the introduction of ''VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl''.
** After Sinnoh, many dropped out during the Unova arc. But the Kalos arc, with Ash's CharacterRerailment, a new writer, and certain announcements exciting the fanbase, a lot of people came back.

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** Many fans dropped out part-way during the [[DorkAge Johto arc]] and arc]], due to it being packed with filler, as a consequence not many watched the well as potentially interesting storylines being scrapped. However, Hoenn ones. The Sinnoh arc attracted won many fans back, with its DarkerAndEdgier plot compared due to the previous seasons. It helped that Pokémon was hitting a PopularityPolynomial with the introduction of ''VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl''.
better animation, characterization, and pacing.
** After Sinnoh, many dropped out during the Unova arc.arc, due to filler and bad characterizations. But the Kalos arc, with Ash's CharacterRerailment, a new writer, and certain announcements exciting the fanbase, a lot of people came back.
2nd Dec '16 1:38:41 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''Anime/DokiDokiPrecure'' was an attempt by Toei to win back the fanbase of ''Anime/PrettyCure''. This one has quite a story behind it. Three years before ''Doki Doki'', the precure of the year was ''Anime/HeartcatchPrettyCure'', which was almost completely different from its predecessors. It was both DarkerAndEdgier, and at the same time DenserAndWackier, and the main characters are just plain {{Badass}}. The change enticed a lot of people, mostly from the PeripheryDemographic. The next two precures after that adhered to the older formula (read: made for little girls), and [[DorkAge this put off the new fans]]. ''Doki Doki'' is an attempt to create something that replicates the success of HCPC while still keeping the primary audience. The result is something that can be described as either MadeOfWin, or [[MarySue complete Sue-fest]]. Because of that, ''Anime/HappinessChargePrettyCure'' is attempting to try again, this time mixing elements of the older ways ''and'' the ways pioneered by HCPC while adding some new ideas of its own (like deliberately trying to make the blue Pretty Cure be the main character instead of the pink one)...at least, at first, because it ended up crashing and burning in its second half even worse then Doki Doki did. This has since lead to major change in the higher ups that produce the series, leading then current producer Hiroaki Shibata to be KickedUpstairs to Toei's Tokusatsu department. This has ironically made ''Anime/GoPrincessPrettyCure'' take this mantle instead, to a much more degree of success then the past two seasons.

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* ''Anime/DokiDokiPrecure'' was an attempt by Toei to win back the fanbase of ''Anime/PrettyCure''. This one has quite a story behind it. Three years before ''Doki Doki'', the precure of the year was ''Anime/HeartcatchPrettyCure'', which was almost completely different from its predecessors. It was both DarkerAndEdgier, and at the same time DenserAndWackier, and the main characters are just plain {{Badass}}.badass. The change enticed a lot of people, mostly from the PeripheryDemographic. The next two precures after that adhered to the older formula (read: made for little girls), and [[DorkAge this put off the new fans]]. ''Doki Doki'' is an attempt to create something that replicates the success of HCPC while still keeping the primary audience. The result is something that can be described as either MadeOfWin, or [[MarySue complete Sue-fest]]. Because of that, ''Anime/HappinessChargePrettyCure'' is attempting to try again, this time mixing elements of the older ways ''and'' the ways pioneered by HCPC while adding some new ideas of its own (like deliberately trying to make the blue Pretty Cure be the main character instead of the pink one)...at least, at first, because it ended up crashing and burning in its second half even worse then Doki Doki did. This has since lead to major change in the higher ups that produce the series, leading then current producer Hiroaki Shibata to be KickedUpstairs to Toei's Tokusatsu department. This has ironically made ''Anime/GoPrincessPrettyCure'' take this mantle instead, to a much more degree of success then the past two seasons.
5th Nov '16 10:52:35 PM capthanos
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'''s first two seasons were seen as weaker compared to [[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender the original series]] with a rushed MythArc that took a back seat to a widely disliked LoveTriangle and an un-charismatic villain in the second season. The third and fourth seasons dialed back the romance, fixed the pacing, provided two very complex and human villains, and ended the series on a high note with fans.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'''s first two seasons were seen as weaker compared to [[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender the original series]] with a rushed MythArc that took a back seat to a widely disliked LoveTriangle and an un-charismatic villain in the second season. The third and fourth seasons dialed back the romance, fixed the pacing, provided two very complex and human villains, and ended the series on a high note with fans. Several fans have even stated that the third and fourth books of ''Korra'' were also better than the original series.
5th Nov '16 10:49:05 PM capthanos
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* Disney Television Animation regained prominence when, after a decade of SoOkayItsAverage productions (and ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb''), ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' proved to be a signal that the studio was back to making magic.

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* Disney Television Animation regained prominence when, after a decade years of SoOkayItsAverage productions (and ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb''), ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' productions, ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'' proved to be a signal that the studio was back to making magic.
25th Oct '16 6:58:30 PM nombretomado
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* ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheTempleOfDoom'' divided a lot of fans and caused Creator/StevenSpielberg and GeorgeLucas to take a lot of flak for ruining the Indiana Jones saga. The two of them hit back with ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade'' which won over everyone, and among some fans is considered better than even ''Film/RaidersOfTheLostArk''.

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* ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheTempleOfDoom'' divided a lot of fans and caused Creator/StevenSpielberg and GeorgeLucas Creator/GeorgeLucas to take a lot of flak for ruining the Indiana Jones saga. The two of them hit back with ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade'' which won over everyone, and among some fans is considered better than even ''Film/RaidersOfTheLostArk''.
23rd Oct '16 2:55:11 PM mrbits
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* The huge success of ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime'' made it an incredibly ToughActToFollow. It overshadowed the next two series installments, ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaMajorasMask Majora's Mask]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTheWindWaker The Wind Waker]]'', and many fans of the series wished Nintendo would just make another game like ''Ocarina of Time'' again. In fact, while both ''Majora's Mask'' and ''Wind Waker'' were later VindicatedByHistory (the former was for the most part overlooked in its time, a problem not helped by the original version requiring a hardware add-on for the N64, and the latter significantly fractured the fanbase due to its art style and weak endgame), the release of ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess Twilight Princess]]'' was considered to be more true to form for the series, and despite its own set of problems, won back a lot of series fans by featuring an "adult" Link and a darker story, as well as one of the franchise's most well-loved partner characters (Midna). Meanwhile, ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaALinkBetweenWorlds'' did this for the handheld games in the series after the more divisive UsefulNotes/NintendoDS games.

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* The huge success of ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime'' made it an incredibly ToughActToFollow. It overshadowed the next two series installments, ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaMajorasMask Majora's Mask]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTheWindWaker The Wind Waker]]'', and many fans of the series wished Nintendo would just make another game like ''Ocarina of Time'' again. In fact, while both ''Majora's Mask'' and ''Wind Waker'' were later VindicatedByHistory (the former was for the most part overlooked in its time, a problem not helped by the original version requiring a hardware add-on for the N64, and the latter significantly fractured the fanbase due to its art style and weak endgame), the release of ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess Twilight Princess]]'' was considered to be more true to form for the series, and despite its own set of problems, won back a lot of series fans by featuring an "adult" Link and a darker story, as well as one of the franchise's most well-loved partner characters (Midna). Meanwhile, Later, ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaALinkBetweenWorlds'' did this for the handheld games in the series after the more divisive UsefulNotes/NintendoDS games.
23rd Oct '16 10:06:41 AM GeoffJack
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* Marvel's Spider-Man (2017) seems to be doing this after the [[BrokenBase mixed reaction]] to [[UltimateSpider-Man Ultimate Spider-Man]] as well as the rest of the [[MarvelUniverse Disney Marvel shows]] (not counting [[TheAvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes! which was praised and not considered part of the continuity). This new show will [[RevisitingTheRoots bring Spidey back to his roots]] unlike the departure of Ultimate. It also helps that its art style is reminiscent of the fan-favorite ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan''.

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* Marvel's Spider-Man (2017) seems to be doing this after the [[BrokenBase mixed reaction]] to [[UltimateSpider-Man Ultimate Spider-Man]] ''WesternAnimation/UltimateSpiderMan'' as well as the rest of the [[MarvelUniverse Disney Marvel shows]] (not counting [[TheAvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes! Heroes!]] which was praised and not considered part of the continuity). This new show will [[RevisitingTheRoots bring Spidey back to his roots]] unlike the departure of Ultimate. It also helps that its art style is reminiscent of the fan-favorite ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan''.
23rd Oct '16 10:04:58 AM GeoffJack
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*Marvel's Spider-Man (2017) seems to be doing this after the [[BrokenBase mixed reaction]] to [[UltimateSpider-Man Ultimate Spider-Man]] as well as the rest of the [[MarvelUniverse Disney Marvel shows]] (not counting [[TheAvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes! which was praised and not considered part of the continuity). This new show will [[RevisitingTheRoots bring Spidey back to his roots]] unlike the departure of Ultimate. It also helps that its art style is reminiscent of the fan-favorite ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan''.
20th Oct '16 7:26:27 PM Arcana4th
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** Adding to that, the season also made efforts to avert the long running tendency of the franchise to use FauxActionGirl, and make otherwise strong female duelists into not really all that. Yuzu and Serena have much more battles, on screen victories and active roles than the previous female leads. When they were DemotedToExtra a variety of female villains and other characters took their place.
16th Oct '16 5:55:55 PM Mullon
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* ''VideoGame/DeusExHumanRevolution'' struggled to win any fans from its conception -- a [[FranchiseKiller fanbase already disillusioned]] by ''[[VideoGame/DeusExInvisibleWar Invisible War]]'' was less than thrilled when they discovered that the third game in the series would include RegeneratingHealth and [[TakeCover cover-based combat]]. However, when a disgruntled ex-employee leaked the press demo, previously unenthusiastic ''VideoGame/DeusEx'' fans were pleasantly surprised by what they found - so much so that even the notoriously pessimistic [[ImageBoards /v/]] was genuinely impressed and looked forward to the game's release with far more excitement than before.

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* ''VideoGame/DeusExHumanRevolution'' struggled to win any fans from its conception -- a [[FranchiseKiller fanbase already disillusioned]] by ''[[VideoGame/DeusExInvisibleWar Invisible War]]'' was less than thrilled when they discovered that the third game in the series would include RegeneratingHealth and [[TakeCover cover-based combat]]. However, when a disgruntled ex-employee leaked the press demo, previously unenthusiastic ''VideoGame/DeusEx'' fans were pleasantly surprised by what they found - so much so that even the notoriously pessimistic [[ImageBoards [[Website/FourChan /v/]] was genuinely impressed and looked forward to the game's release with far more excitement than before.
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