History Main / WhoShotJFK

26th Sep '17 7:18:31 PM mariic
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* Creator/TheHistoryChannel did a program about the assassination in which they put (1) a man in a bucket truck; (2) at the exact same height as the window in the Texas School Book Depository; (3) with a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle exactly the same as Oswald's; (4) pointing at a similar convertible automobile; (5) at the same distance from the bucket truck as the book depository window was from Dealey Plaza; (6) holding dummies made of ballistics gel; (7) with pig bones in the same places as the appropriate bones struck in President Kennedy and Governor Connolly; (8) placed in the same positions in the vehicle as the two men were in the original automobile; (9) which was being towed at the same speed as the original vehicle was driven, and had the man take three shots at the car. The examination found that (1) the man who made the shots could make them with the rifle fast as was claimed; (2) the bullets followed virtually the identical trajectory as the original ones were reported to have done as the "single bullet" theory and was only off by a tiny fraction of an inch due to differences in the bone, ''including going through one body and into the other one''. While it doesn't completely ''prove'' the single bullet theory, it makes an extremely strong case that it is a credible argument: that the entire killing and injuries to the second person could reasonably have been the result of the one bullet, caused by one man shooting from the 6th Floor window of the Texas School Book Depository. (Unless that's what they WANT you to think...)\\\
Note that in the above example they went so far as to use fans to generate the ''[[CrazyPrepared exact same wind speed that occurred that day and would have been generated by the car's speed.]]'' They also had fluid in the ballistics dummies designed to replicate bodily fluids, and the spatter pattern of the green gel in the mock car matched that from the assassination car and even replicated the "cloud" pattern seen on the Film/ZapruderFilm. They also took their sharpshooter (a Sandhurst-trained champion marksman, brought in so they could be sure he'd hit the same spot the assassin hit on the skull, i.e. a target the size of a dime) to three of the purported "second gunman" sites and had him attempt to sight on a car with actors positioned exactly as Kennedy and Jackie were during the final shot. He determined firing from the sewer (à la ''Series/TheXFiles'') would be impossible, a gunman on the overpass wouldn't be able to see Kennedy, and a gunman on the grassy knoll would have resulted in either a dead Jackie (via a through-and-through shot with jacketed ammunition) or a Kennedy with no head left on his corpse (with a soft-nosed round more like what a "professional" sniper would be likely to use). The show went [[UpToEleven well beyond most investigations]] in not only showing the Lone Gunman theory as plausible but the alternatives as impossible. Unless that's what they WANT you to think . . .

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* Creator/TheHistoryChannel did a program about the assassination in which they put (1) a man in a bucket truck; (2) at the exact same height as the window in the Texas School Book Depository; (3) with a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle exactly the same as Oswald's; (4) pointing at a similar convertible automobile; (5) at the same distance from the bucket truck as the book depository window was from Dealey Plaza; (6) holding dummies made of ballistics gel; (7) with pig bones in the same places as the appropriate bones struck in President Kennedy and Governor Connolly; (8) placed in the same positions in the vehicle as the two men were in the original automobile; (9) which was being towed at the same speed as the original vehicle was driven, and had the man take three shots at the car. The examination found that (1) the man who made the shots could make them with the rifle fast as was claimed; (2) the bullets followed virtually the identical trajectory as the original ones were reported to have done as the "single bullet" theory and was only off by a tiny fraction of an inch due to differences in the bone, ''including going through one body and into the other one''. While it doesn't completely ''prove'' the single bullet theory, it makes an extremely strong case that it is a credible argument: that the entire killing and injuries to the second person could reasonably have been the result of the one bullet, caused by one man shooting from the 6th Floor window of the Texas School Book Depository. (Unless that's what they WANT you to think...)\\\
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Note that in the above example they went so far as to use fans to generate the ''[[CrazyPrepared exact same wind speed that occurred that day and would have been generated by the car's speed.]]'' They also had fluid in the ballistics dummies designed to replicate bodily fluids, and the spatter pattern of the green gel in the mock car matched that from the assassination car and even replicated the "cloud" pattern seen on the Film/ZapruderFilm. They also took their sharpshooter (a Sandhurst-trained champion marksman, brought in so they could be sure he'd hit the same spot the assassin hit on the skull, i.e. a target the size of a dime) to three of the purported "second gunman" sites and had him attempt to sight on a car with actors positioned exactly as Kennedy and Jackie were during the final shot. He determined firing from the sewer (à la ''Series/TheXFiles'') would be impossible, a gunman on the overpass wouldn't be able to see Kennedy, and a gunman on the grassy knoll would have resulted in either a dead Jackie (via a through-and-through shot with jacketed ammunition) or a Kennedy with no head left on his corpse (with a soft-nosed round more like what a "professional" sniper would be likely to use). The show went [[UpToEleven well beyond most investigations]] in not only showing the Lone Gunman theory as plausible but the alternatives as impossible. Unless that's what they WANT you to think . . .



%%* ''Series/TheInvisibleMan'' TV series had a brief reference to this.

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%%* * ''Series/TheInvisibleMan'' TV series had a brief reference to this.
13th Sep '17 4:52:48 PM Lavode
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* The plot of ''Series/TwinPeaks'' never actually addresses this, but Cooper muses:
-->'''Cooper:''' ''(to his tape recorder)'' There are two things that continue to trouble me, and I'm speaking now not only as an agent of the Bureau but as a human being: What really went on between Marilyn Monroe and the Kennedys? And who really pulled the trigger on JFK?
10th Aug '17 8:23:14 PM mariic
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* In a famous episode of ''Series/QuantumLeap'', Sam and Al puzzled about it while he leapt back and forth through the life of Lee Harvey Oswald. [[spoiler:In the end, they determine that Oswald acted alone, and Sam leaps out of his body and into Secret Service agent Clint Hill just in time for Oswald to make the shot. Sam's mission was to keep Oswald from killing ''Jackie'' Kennedy, who had died in the "original" timeline, according to Al.]] Al is actually a conspiracy theorist at first; when Sam's experiences change his mind, he memorably remarks that "It's more comforting to believe in plots, because if Kennedy could be killed that easily, by one sicko, what hope is there for the rest of us?"\\\
The series' creator, Creator/DonaldPBellisario, had actually served with Lee Harvey Oswald in the Marines, and wanted to show that ''yes'', Oswald was willing and capable of doing this on his own, something many people had a hard time believing. (Remember that odd scene with Sam-as-Oswald talking to some random Marine who finds his copy of ''The Daily Worker''? That was a dramatization of Bellisario's [[http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1992-07-14/lifestyle/9207120592_1_joan-rivers-rivers-show-leaper/2 real meeting]] with Oswald.)

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* In a famous episode of ''Series/QuantumLeap'', Sam and Al puzzled about it while he leapt back and forth through the life of Lee Harvey Oswald. [[spoiler:In the end, they determine that Oswald acted alone, and Sam leaps out of his body and into Secret Service agent Clint Hill just in time for Oswald to make the shot. Sam's mission was to keep Oswald from killing ''Jackie'' Kennedy, who had died in the "original" timeline, according to Al.]] Al is actually a conspiracy theorist at first; when Sam's experiences change his mind, he memorably remarks that "It's more comforting to believe in plots, because if Kennedy could be killed that easily, by one sicko, what hope is there for the rest of us?"\\\
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The series' creator, Creator/DonaldPBellisario, had actually served with Lee Harvey Oswald in the Marines, and wanted to show that ''yes'', Oswald was willing and capable of doing this on his own, something many people had a hard time believing. (Remember that odd scene with Sam-as-Oswald talking to some random Marine who finds his copy of ''The Daily Worker''? That was a dramatization of Bellisario's [[http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1992-07-14/lifestyle/9207120592_1_joan-rivers-rivers-show-leaper/2 real meeting]] with Oswald.)
3rd Aug '17 4:34:33 AM EazyCheeze
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* ''VideoGame/MafiaIII'': Though taking place five years afterward, the country still understandably reels from such a horrific event. News broadcasts throughout the length of play bring it up. The FramingDevice is partially composed of one of the protagonists, a Vietnam veteran turned CIA agent, [[HauledBeforeASenateSubcommittee telling his story after the events of the game]]. [[spoiler: The interview is a setup for said protagonist to begin his RoaringRampageOfRevenge against the conspirators in the assassination plot.]]

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* ''VideoGame/MafiaIII'': Though taking place five years afterward, the country still understandably reels from such a horrific event. News broadcasts throughout the length of play bring it up. The FramingDevice is partially composed of one of the protagonists, a Vietnam veteran turned CIA agent, [[HauledBeforeASenateSubcommittee telling his story after the events of the game]]. [[spoiler: The interview interview, and indeed his entire involvement in the plot of the game, is a setup for said protagonist to begin his RoaringRampageOfRevenge against the conspirators in the assassination plot.]]
3rd Aug '17 4:32:59 AM EazyCheeze
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* ''VideoGame/MafiaIII'': Though taking place five years afterward, the country still understandably reels from such a horrific event. News broadcasts throughout the length of play bring it up. The FramingDevice is partially composed of one of the protagonists [[HauledBeforeASenateSubcommittee telling his story after the events of the game]]. [[spoiler: The interview is a setup for said protagonist to begin his RoaringRampageOfRevenge against the conspirators in the assassination plot.]]

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* ''VideoGame/MafiaIII'': Though taking place five years afterward, the country still understandably reels from such a horrific event. News broadcasts throughout the length of play bring it up. The FramingDevice is partially composed of one of the protagonists protagonists, a Vietnam veteran turned CIA agent, [[HauledBeforeASenateSubcommittee telling his story after the events of the game]]. [[spoiler: The interview is a setup for said protagonist to begin his RoaringRampageOfRevenge against the conspirators in the assassination plot.]]
3rd Aug '17 4:26:48 AM EazyCheeze
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* ''VideoGame/MafiaIII'': Though taking place five years afterward, the country still understandably reels from such a horrific event. News broadcasts throughout the length of play bring it up. The FramingDevice is partially composed of one of the protagonists [[HauledBeforeASenateSubcommittee telling his story after the events of the game]]. [[spoiler: The interview is a setup for said protagonist to begin his RoaringRampageOfRevenge against the conspirators in the assassination plot.]]
15th Jul '17 4:18:53 PM nombretomado
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* There was a scene in an issue of ''Spectacular ComicBook/SpiderMan'' Vol. 2 (during a storyline which introduced Adriana Soria "The Queen") where Captain America points out to ComicBook/NickFury that JFK was killed by "Cuban Nationalists" but it was covered up to prevent war. This was brought up to convince Nick Fury to keep quiet about a WMD that the United States developed during [[WorldWarII WW2]] that would kill everyone except people who possessed the "insect gene", a weapon which The Queen currently had in her possession. Of course this is the same storyline that gave us '''"Spider-Man: Now with Organic Web Shooters and Insect Telepathy!"''' Not to mention [[spoiler:Spider M-Preg.]]

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* There was a scene in an issue of ''Spectacular ComicBook/SpiderMan'' Vol. 2 (during a storyline which introduced Adriana Soria "The Queen") where Captain America points out to ComicBook/NickFury that JFK was killed by "Cuban Nationalists" but it was covered up to prevent war. This was brought up to convince Nick Fury to keep quiet about a WMD that the United States developed during [[WorldWarII WW2]] UsefulNotes/WW2 that would kill everyone except people who possessed the "insect gene", a weapon which The Queen currently had in her possession. Of course this is the same storyline that gave us '''"Spider-Man: Now with Organic Web Shooters and Insect Telepathy!"''' Not to mention [[spoiler:Spider M-Preg.]]
10th Jul '17 11:48:48 PM TimeLordVictorious
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Americans love a {{conspiracy|Theorist}}, and no good show is complete without some theory as to who really offed the 35th President of the United States, UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy. TheMafia, [[RedScare the Russians]], [[UsefulNotes/LyndonJohnson LBJ]], [[UsefulNotes/RichardNixon Nixon]], the [[UsefulNotes/AmericanLawEnforcement FBI]], [[ThoseWackyNazis Nazi sleeper agents]], [[ThereAreNoGoodExecutives transnational financial institutions]], [[Series/TheXFiles the Cigarette-Smoking Man]], [[BeethovenWasAnAlienSpy space aliens]], [[Franchise/XMen Magneto]], [[GunmanWithThreeNames some lone nut with a gun]], ''additional'' gunmen, [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries the crew of the Enterprise NCC-1701]], [[Literature/WheresWally Waldo]], [[Series/RedDwarf a time-displaced version of himself]], [[ComicBook/{{Watchmen}} the Comedian]], YourMom, [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs all of the above at once]]--or [[Franchise/StarWars hey]], maybe [[TheDogShotFirst Kennedy shot first]]. The sheer number of variations on this theme, combined with the effect that it had on the American psyche, have made it a fertile ground for TV, book and film plots since the day Kennedy got shot. A good topic for a SeinfeldianConversation. Frequently played for humor. A subtrope of RealEventFictionalCause.

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Americans love a {{conspiracy|Theorist}}, and no good show is complete without some theory as to who really offed the 35th President of the United States, UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy. TheMafia, [[RedScare the Russians]], [[UsefulNotes/LyndonJohnson LBJ]], [[UsefulNotes/RichardNixon Nixon]], the [[UsefulNotes/AmericanLawEnforcement FBI]], [[ThoseWackyNazis Nazi sleeper agents]], [[ThereAreNoGoodExecutives transnational financial institutions]], [[Series/TheXFiles the Cigarette-Smoking Man]], [[BeethovenWasAnAlienSpy space aliens]], [[Franchise/XMen Magneto]], [[GunmanWithThreeNames some lone nut with a gun]], ''additional'' gunmen, [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries the crew of the Enterprise NCC-1701]], [[Literature/WheresWally Waldo]], [[Series/RedDwarf a time-displaced version of himself]], [[ComicBook/{{Watchmen}} the Comedian]], YourMom, [[Series/DoctorWho The Silence]], [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs all of the above at once]]--or [[Franchise/StarWars hey]], maybe [[TheDogShotFirst Kennedy shot first]]. The sheer number of variations on this theme, combined with the effect that it had on the American psyche, have made it a fertile ground for TV, book and film plots since the day Kennedy got shot. A good topic for a SeinfeldianConversation. Frequently played for humor. A subtrope of RealEventFictionalCause.
8th Jul '17 6:40:28 PM nombretomado
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** This, of course, is consistent. The [[{{Curse}} Kennedy Curse]] could be the referenced gag here, which befell many members of the family. The discussion was in the public consciousness due to the then recent death of JFK JR. TheOtherWiki lists three different Joe Kennedys in their list of incidents (The Senior, The Junior, and The Second). On the flip side, Fred is from Texas, so JFK is still probably the more immediate thought.

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** This, of course, is consistent. The [[{{Curse}} Kennedy Curse]] could be the referenced gag here, which befell many members of the family. The discussion was in the public consciousness due to the then recent death of JFK JR. TheOtherWiki Wiki/TheOtherWiki lists three different Joe Kennedys in their list of incidents (The Senior, The Junior, and The Second). On the flip side, Fred is from Texas, so JFK is still probably the more immediate thought.
4th Jun '17 8:13:48 PM NightShade96
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Americans love a {{conspiracy|Theorist}}, and no good show is complete without some theory as to who really offed the 35th President of the United States, UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy. TheMafia, [[RedScare the Russians]], [[UsefulNotes/LyndonJohnson LBJ]], [[UsefulNotes/RichardNixon Nixon]], the [[UsefulNotes/AmericanLawEnforcement FBI]], [[ThoseWackyNazis Nazi sleeper agents]], [[ThereAreNoGoodExecutives transnational financial institutions]], [[Series/TheXFiles the Cigarette-Smoking Man]], [[BeethovenWasAnAlienSpy space aliens]], [[Franchise/XMen Magneto]], [[GunmanWithThreeNames some lone nut with a gun]], ''additional'' gunmen, [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries the crew of the Enterprise NCC-1701]], [[Literature/WheresWally Waldo]], [[Series/RedDwarf a time-displaced version of himself]], [[ComicBook/{{Watchmen}} the Comedian]], YourMom, [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs all of the above at once]]--or [[Franchise/StarWars hey]], maybe [[TheDogShotFirst Kennedy shot first]]. The sheer number of variations on this theme, combined with the effect that it had on the American psyche, have made it a fertile ground for TV, book and film plots since the day Kennedy got shot. A good topic for a SeinfeldianConversation. Frequently played for humor.

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Americans love a {{conspiracy|Theorist}}, and no good show is complete without some theory as to who really offed the 35th President of the United States, UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy. TheMafia, [[RedScare the Russians]], [[UsefulNotes/LyndonJohnson LBJ]], [[UsefulNotes/RichardNixon Nixon]], the [[UsefulNotes/AmericanLawEnforcement FBI]], [[ThoseWackyNazis Nazi sleeper agents]], [[ThereAreNoGoodExecutives transnational financial institutions]], [[Series/TheXFiles the Cigarette-Smoking Man]], [[BeethovenWasAnAlienSpy space aliens]], [[Franchise/XMen Magneto]], [[GunmanWithThreeNames some lone nut with a gun]], ''additional'' gunmen, [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries the crew of the Enterprise NCC-1701]], [[Literature/WheresWally Waldo]], [[Series/RedDwarf a time-displaced version of himself]], [[ComicBook/{{Watchmen}} the Comedian]], YourMom, [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs all of the above at once]]--or [[Franchise/StarWars hey]], maybe [[TheDogShotFirst Kennedy shot first]]. The sheer number of variations on this theme, combined with the effect that it had on the American psyche, have made it a fertile ground for TV, book and film plots since the day Kennedy got shot. A good topic for a SeinfeldianConversation. Frequently played for humor.
humor. A subtrope of RealEventFictionalCause.
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