History Main / WhiteAngloSaxonProtestant

12th Jul '17 5:38:26 PM JulianLapostat
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** Creator/ChrisClaremont's run with Creator/JohnByrne brought in a much more diverse bunch of X-Men, largely by bringing in individuals from multiple nationalities, such as the German Nightcrawler, the African Ororo Monroe, the openly Jewish Kitty Pryde[=/=]Shadowcat (while also making the famous villain, Magneto, Jewish). And of course, the most famous of all X-Men, the Canadian Wolverine. Incidentally, Wolverine's later origins revealed him to be an immortal whose family came from Canada's patrician colonial gentry, complete with the Preppy name of James Howlett. So Wolverine is technically Canadian-WASP.

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** Creator/ChrisClaremont's run with Creator/JohnByrne brought in a much more diverse bunch of X-Men, largely by bringing in individuals from multiple nationalities, such as the German Nightcrawler, the African Ororo Monroe, the openly Jewish Kitty Pryde[=/=]Shadowcat (while also making the famous villain, Magneto, Jewish).Jewish), the Cajun ComicBook/{{Gambit}} and the Southern Belle Rogue, the Russian Colossus[[note]]Leading a few snarky observers to note that the Mutant Metaphor of [[StartXToStopX combating discrimination and stereotypes is hampered by themselves being a bunch]] of ethnic foreign stereotypes[[/note]]. And of course, the most famous of all X-Men, the Canadian Wolverine. Incidentally, Wolverine's later origins revealed him to be an immortal whose family came from Canada's patrician colonial gentry, complete with the Preppy name of James Howlett. So Wolverine is technically Canadian-WASP. Canadian-WASP but he comes across as an anti-establishment bad boy.
12th Jul '17 5:28:50 PM JulianLapostat
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It became important in the mid-20th Century to point out the features of this group as a social reality. Generally [=WASPs=] were in positions of privilege and power, and could discriminate against those who were not white and not Protestant. Ethnic minorities (which may no longer be minorities in the New Millennium), non-Anglo Europeans, Jews and Catholics in particular suffered discrimination and exclusion. Critics pointed out how [=WASPs=] would see themselves as the "true normal" of the cultural world. This, ironically, has led to the "generic and bland" stereotype that so many [=WASPs=] are now desperate to shed.

This can easily be conflated with the [[HollywoodNewEngland Boston Brahmin]], First Families, Secret Masters of the World stereotype. They (the two stereotypes) share a core characterization, but WASP is a straight-up acronym of a demographic label, a thing you might find in a sociology text, not having any of the OldMoney, Secret Masters baggage.

Strictly speaking, it is hard to generalize about [=WASPs=]. Since a majority, albeit a slim majority, of Americans are both white and Protestant, [=WASP=] covers a lot of demographic ground. They can be either liberal or conservative politically ([[BourgeoisBohemian socially conservative but culturally liberal]] being a frequent combination), and fill any socioeconomic niche. This trope is primarily for figures who meet the most stereotypical WASP criteria: affluent, generic, bland personalities, usually with a little bit of [[BritishStuffiness stuffiness inherited from their British ancestors]] and a preoccupation with keeping up appearances.

The HaysCode had this effect on [[GoldenAgeOfHollywood classic Hollywood cinema]], perhaps unintentionally. Although written by two Irish Catholics, the Code was enforced mostly by Midwestern Protestants, and the films under its jurisdiction cut according to their biases. American characters in movies from the 1930s and '40s do tend to [[MonochromeCasting all look and talk the same]], with only minor regional differences. Non-Nordic Americans don't tend to show up - and when they do, [[RaceLift they are "conventionalized" as much as possible]]. Not until the 1950s would the existence of "ethnic" whites be openly acknowledged.

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It became important in the mid-20th Century to point out the features of this group as a social reality. Generally [=WASPs=] were in positions of privilege and power, and could discriminate against those who were not white and not Protestant. Ethnic minorities (which may no longer be minorities in the New Millennium), non-Anglo Europeans, Jews and Catholics in particular suffered discrimination and exclusion. Critics pointed out how [=WASPs=] would see themselves as the "true normal" of the cultural world. This, ironically, has led to the "generic and bland" stereotype that so many [=WASPs=] are now desperate to shed.

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shed. It can easily be conflated with the [[HollywoodNewEngland Boston Brahmin]], First Families, Secret Masters of the World stereotype. They (the two stereotypes) share a core characterization, but WASP is a straight-up acronym of a demographic label, a thing you might find in a sociology text, not having any of the OldMoney, Secret Masters baggage.

Strictly speaking, it is hard to generalize about [=WASPs=]. Since a majority, albeit a slim majority, of Americans are both white and Protestant, [=WASP=] covers a lot of demographic ground. They can be either liberal or conservative politically ([[BourgeoisBohemian socially conservative but culturally liberal]] being a frequent combination), and fill any socioeconomic niche. This trope is primarily for figures who meet the most stereotypical WASP criteria: affluent, generic, bland personalities, usually with a little bit of [[BritishStuffiness stuffiness inherited from their British ancestors]] and a preoccupation with keeping up appearances.

The HaysCode
appearances. These days, much of the WASP characteristics can be found ironically enough, in the non-WASP Irish-American community, especially in Boston. Thanks to [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_succession_theory ethnic succession]] with Irish Catholics being the first immigrant waves, they have integrated and assimilated strongly into the WASP hegemony, with UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy's election being a symbol for the acceptance of the Irish Catholic community into the mainstream, and Kennedy being, alongside UsefulNotes/BarackObama, the ''only'' non-WASP President of the United States.

UsefulNotes/TheHaysCode
had this effect on [[GoldenAgeOfHollywood classic Hollywood cinema]], perhaps unintentionally. cinema]]. Although written by two Irish Catholics, the Code was enforced mostly by Midwestern Protestants, and the films under its jurisdiction cut according to their biases.biases which in turn reflected the biases of America's conservative ideology of that time. American characters in movies from the 1930s and '40s do tend to [[MonochromeCasting all look and talk the same]], with only minor regional differences. Non-Nordic Americans don't tend to show up - and when they do, [[RaceLift they are "conventionalized" as much as possible]]. Not until the 1950s would the existence of "ethnic" whites be openly acknowledged. Many of the classic Hollywood actors weren't WASP themselves but became WASP to fit in with the values of the time. Hispanic-American Creator/RitaHayworth is a famous example, as are a number of Jewish-origin actors who changed their names to better fit in (Creator/LaurenBacall for instance). This ended in the UsefulNotes/NewHollywood era with ''Film/TheGodfather'' with its Italian-American setting and cast, marking the start of greater on-screen diversity and largely ending the age when actors needed to alter their ethnic make-up or personal names to pass as WASP.



* ''ComicBook/{{X-Men}}'' has Professor X, Charles Xavier, who is this in spite of his Spanish-sounding name. Also Warren Worthington III, better known as the Angel, a scion of the American aristocracy.
* [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Bruce Wayne AKA Batman]] uses an OldMoney WASP persona as [[RichIdiotWithNoDayJob a convenient cover]].

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* ''ComicBook/{{X-Men}}'' has Professor X, Charles Xavier, who is this in spite of his Spanish-sounding name. Also Warren Worthington III, better known as the Angel, a scion of the American aristocracy.
* [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Bruce Wayne AKA Batman]] uses an OldMoney WASP persona as [[RichIdiotWithNoDayJob a convenient cover]]. Creator/BillFinger who designed his SecretIdentity wanted him to have Patrician heritage, so he named him after "Mad Anthony" Wayne, a Revolutionary-era war hero (another WASP icon, Marion Morrison would also be renamed after the same figure as Creator/JohnWayne). Incidentally, recent comics, have implied that [[http://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/i-am-vengeance-i-am-the-night-i-am-jewish/ Batman's mother, Martha Kane, might be Jewish]] so that would mean, that Batman is technically Jewish, albeit Bruce has never quite taken that identity (or for that matter any other identity) in the comics. Both of Batman's creators (like most GoldenAge creators) were Jewish incidentally.
* ''Franchise/{{Superman}}'' is an alien from Planet Krypton but he grew up in a small-town farm in Kansas, and became the embodiment of the American Protestant values for TheForties and TheFifties.
* Creator/MarvelComics managed to avert this by bringing in more diversity and greater social realism in their comics (such as Irish-American heroes: Franchise/SpiderMan, ComicBook/CaptainAmerica and ComicBook/{{Daredevil}}). But they have also played it straight, with [[ComicBook/IronMan Tony Stark]] being originally {{WASP}} as well as [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Reed Richards, Susan and Johnny Storm (Ben Grimm]] being the exception for being Jewish).
* ''ComicBook/{{X-Men}}'' is interesting in that it transitioned from being Marvel's most WASP-y title to its least WASP-y title.
** The original ''X-Men'' group has the patrician Professor X, Charles Xavier, in spite of his Spanish-sounding name[[note]]Marvel names often went with RuleOfCool, witness a poor Roma boy having an aristocratic name like Victor Von Doom as his real name[[/note]]. Also Warren Worthington III, better known as the Angel, a scion of the American aristocracy. Most of the ComicBook/XMen in the early days were largely WASP, including Jean Grey, daughter from a suburban middle-class family of academics, as well as Hank [=McCoy=] with Scott Summers being an orphan from Alaska, and a poor-WASP. Only Bobby Drake averted this, being Irish-American.
** Creator/ChrisClaremont's run with Creator/JohnByrne brought in a much more diverse bunch of X-Men, largely by bringing in individuals from multiple nationalities, such as the German Nightcrawler, the African Ororo Monroe, the openly Jewish Kitty Pryde[=/=]Shadowcat (while also making the famous villain, Magneto, Jewish). And of course, the most famous of all X-Men, the Canadian Wolverine. Incidentally, Wolverine's later origins revealed him to be an immortal whose family came from Canada's patrician colonial gentry, complete with the Preppy name of James Howlett. So Wolverine is technically Canadian-WASP.
12th Jul '17 4:48:18 PM IdumeanPatriot
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%%* [[ComicBook/{{X-Men}} Professor X]], Charles Xavier.

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%%* [[ComicBook/{{X-Men}} * ''ComicBook/{{X-Men}}'' has Professor X]], X, Charles Xavier.Xavier, who is this in spite of his Spanish-sounding name. Also Warren Worthington III, better known as the Angel, a scion of the American aristocracy.
18th Jun '17 11:37:41 AM nombretomado
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%%* Patrick Bateman and most of the main characters in ''AmericanPsycho'', especially the core group at Pierce & Pierce.

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%%* Patrick Bateman and most of the main characters in ''AmericanPsycho'', ''Literature/AmericanPsycho'', especially the core group at Pierce & Pierce.
20th May '17 5:20:22 PM nombretomado
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* Gordon Gekko in ''WallStreet'' tells his protege Bud Fox that he bought himself a seat on the board of the Bronx Zoo because, "One thing you gotta learn about [=WASPs=]: They love animals, but can't stand people."

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* Gordon Gekko in ''WallStreet'' ''Film/WallStreet'' tells his protege Bud Fox that he bought himself a seat on the board of the Bronx Zoo because, "One thing you gotta learn about [=WASPs=]: They love animals, but can't stand people."
18th Mar '17 5:10:42 PM MagnusForce
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* ''TheSimpsons''

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** Ms. Astor from the revival episode "The Mutants are Revolting" is a typical posh, rich, old woman who likes to grant generous donations to those less fortunate than her, but still looks down upon them (such as the sewer mutants).
3rd Mar '17 6:47:46 PM karstovich2
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* Andy Bernard on ''Series/TheOfficeUS'' has all the hallmarks such as a loud "preppy" fashion sense, privileged upbringing, and prestigious education.

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* Andy Bernard on ''Series/TheOfficeUS'' has all the hallmarks such as a loud "preppy" fashion sense, privileged upbringing, and prestigious education.education (i.e. Cornell).
3rd Mar '17 6:47:05 PM karstovich2
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Japanese people might be viewed as the Asian counterpart to this trope, given their stereotypically stern work ethic and obsession with tradition and [[JapanesePoliteness good manners]]; while Chinese people and other Asian nationalities might fill in for Catholics (more colorful, festive, and "spiritual"). And within China, there is a similar divide between Confucianism (middle class and socially conservative) and Daoism (more earthy and countercultural, and roughly akin to some "ethnic" flavors of Catholicism), with Buddhism viewed as exotic and associated with foreigners (so, analogous to Islam in the West).

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Japanese people might be viewed as the Asian counterpart to this trope, given their stereotypically stern work ethic and obsession with tradition and [[JapanesePoliteness good manners]]; while Chinese people and other Asian nationalities might fill in for Catholics (more colorful, festive, and "spiritual"). And within China, there is a similar divide between Confucianism (middle class and socially conservative) and Daoism (more earthy and countercultural, and roughly akin to some "ethnic" flavors of Catholicism), with Buddhism viewed as exotic and associated with foreigners (so, analogous to Judaism or Islam in the West).
25th Jan '17 1:00:50 PM TonyG
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%%* The [[StealthPun Yellowjackets]], Chip and Muffy, in ''WesternAnimation/{{Antz}}''.

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%%* * The [[StealthPun Yellowjackets]], Chip and Muffy, in ''WesternAnimation/{{Antz}}''.''WesternAnimation/{{Antz}}'' are a parody. They speak like a New England couple who look down on the two ant protagonists.
27th Dec '16 5:12:57 PM CountMontoni
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The White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, or WASP, is a largely American trope that today is used to describe the stereotypical "white" person in American culture. It originally referred to New Englanders, New Yorkers, and Tidewater Southerners from wealthy backgrounds, generally either [[UsefulNotes/AmericanChurches Congregationalist or Anglican/Episcopalian doctrinally]], but eventually came to be applied as well to inland Southerners, Midwesterners, and Westerners of Anglo-Saxon (English) descent as well, regardless of income level or sect. It also came to be roughly synonymous with "Protestant", so that even Protestant Irish, Dutch and Germans were eventually called [=WASPs=]. "White Protestants" wasn't as snappy a term as WASP, so usage of the term has hung around. The stereotype might be extended to upscale (or not) Catholics or Jews who either intermarry with Protestants or internalize Protestantism as the standard for "normal" Americans.

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The White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, or WASP, is a largely American trope that today is used to describe the stereotypical "white" person in American culture.culture (and mostly upper-middle class, as the term is usually not applied to working-class poor whites associated with DeepSouth stereotypes.... even though they ''technically'' fit the definition). It originally referred to New Englanders, New Yorkers, and Tidewater Southerners from wealthy backgrounds, generally either [[UsefulNotes/AmericanChurches Congregationalist or Anglican/Episcopalian doctrinally]], but eventually came to be applied as well to inland Southerners, Midwesterners, and Westerners of Anglo-Saxon (English) descent as well, regardless of income level or sect. It also came to be roughly synonymous with "Protestant", so that even Protestant Irish, Dutch and Germans were eventually called [=WASPs=]. "White Protestants" wasn't as snappy a term as WASP, so usage of the term has hung around. The stereotype might be extended to upscale (or not) Catholics or Jews who either intermarry with Protestants or internalize Protestantism as the standard for "normal" Americans.
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