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17th Feb '17 11:59:40 PM ShorinBJ
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** In a deliberate parallel to Angel, Kate Lockley is implied to have had a strained relationship with her father. While not a cruel man, her father never showed her any approval or affection after her mother died -- Kate recalls that as a child, she found more parental affection in the mother of one of girlfriends. Her father never even told her "a beautiful lie" (ie: Heaven) to comfort her after her mother's death. It's implied that she became a policewoman to follow in his footsteps, but rarely received more than curt acknowledgement from him.

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** In a deliberate parallel to Angel, Kate Lockley is implied to have had a strained relationship with her father. While not a cruel man, her father never showed her any approval or affection after her mother died -- Kate recalls that as a child, she found more parental affection in the mother of one of her girlfriends. Her father never even told her "a beautiful lie" (ie: Heaven) to comfort her after her mother's death. It's implied that she became a policewoman to follow in his footsteps, but rarely received more than curt acknowledgement from him.



** This is a huge issue of Barney's, as multiple episodes show, most notably "Showdown" and "Cleaning House", and he doesn't even know who his father is. And now that he has met his father, and after getting radically worse, he may actually be getting better.

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** This is a huge issue of Barney's, as multiple episodes show, most notably "Showdown" and "Cleaning House", and he doesn't even know who his father is. And now that he has met his father, and after getting radically worse, he may actually be getting better.
11th Feb '17 9:42:26 PM ElatedReynard
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* Will had this with his father to the point that an originally CrowningMomentOfAwesome scene in ''Series/TheFreshPrinceOfBelAir'' drove him to break down and deliver [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgkqTFasfmA this]] CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming between him and Uncle Phil.

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* Will had this with his father to the point that an originally CrowningMomentOfAwesome scene in ''Series/TheFreshPrinceOfBelAir'' drove him to break down and deliver [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgkqTFasfmA this]] CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming heart breaking moment between him and Uncle Phil.
2nd Feb '17 2:14:08 AM 06tele
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** "The Two Bartlets", Toby points out that the President is haunted by the need to make his father like him. This is expanded on in "Night Five," when Josh's therapist is called in because Bartlet has been unable to sleep for five nights straight (because of this conversation." It's summed up in this devastatingly simple exchange:

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** "The Two Bartlets", Toby points out that the President is haunted by the need to make his father like him. This is expanded on in "Night Five," when Josh's therapist is called in because Bartlet has been unable to sleep for five nights straight (because of this conversation." It's summed up the conversation with Toby.) Stanley the therapist notes that all his life, Bartlet has been reaching for ever higher goals in this devastatingly simple exchange:an attempt to gain the approval of his father, and it's culminated in him having the same job as Abraham Lincoln. It culminates thus:
--->'''Stanley''': I think Lincoln did what he thought was right, even though it meant losing half the country. I think you don't do what you think is right if it means losing Michigan's electoral votes.
--->'''Bartlet''': You don't know anything.
--->'''Stanley''': I'll be the first to admit that.



--->'''Dr Stanley Keyworth''': Good. 'Cuz that's never going to happen.

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--->'''Dr Stanley Keyworth''': --->'''Stanley''': [[BrutalHonesty Good. 'Cuz that's 'Cause it's never, never going to happen.]]



*** President Bartlet may not have been able to get his own father to love or approve of him, but his real "Well Done, Son!" Guy is his chief of staff, Leo [=McGarry=] (played by the late John Spencer). Just before a debate between Bartlet and the Republican candidate, Leo gives Bartlet a beautiful smile and says "There's no such thing as too smart. There's nothing you can do that's not going to make me proud of you."

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*** President Bartlet may not have been able to get his own father to love or approve of him, but his real he has an alternative "Well Done, Son!" Guy is in his chief of staff, Leo [=McGarry=] (played by the late John Spencer). Just before a debate between Bartlet and the Republican candidate, Leo gives Bartlet a beautiful smile and says "There's no such thing as too smart. There's nothing you can do that's not going to make me proud of you."
29th Jan '17 6:03:28 PM JamesShade
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* "User-Maat-Re" by Music/{{Nile}} depicts the exploits of its title character, the Egyptian pharoah Ramses II,[[note]]the title is derived from his throne name, User-Maat-Re Setep-En-Re[[/note]] as a desperate attempt to gain the favor of his dead father Seti I. Said exploits included the conquest of vast swaths of territory and a campaign of temple- and monument-building unmatched in the whole of Egyptian history for sheer quantity.[[note]]however, the liner notes to ''Annihilation of the Wicked'', the album that contains "User-Maat-Re", indicate that the quality was somewhat lower than certain predecessors of Ramses[[/note]] The song nonetheless depicts the spectre of Seti I as being eternally unsatisfied with his son's achievements ("[[TitleDrop User-Maat-Re]], thou hast done '''''nothing'''''"), driving Ramses to ever greater heights (or depths, if one views this as insanity).
19th Jan '17 6:58:53 PM luord
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* In ''Film/KingsmanTheSecretService'', Eggsy soon wants to prove himself to Galahad by passing the Kingsmen candidacy.

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* In ''Film/KingsmanTheSecretService'', Eggsy soon wants to be recruited in order to not disappoint Harry almost as much as he does it to prove to himself to Galahad by passing the Kingsmen candidacy.that he's more than a LowerClassLout.
15th Jan '17 11:53:02 AM eowynjedi
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* ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'': As noted in the Film category, Faramir was TheUnfavorite, though he fared better than his movie counterpart.

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* ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'': As noted in the Film category, Faramir was TheUnfavorite, though he fared better than his movie counterpart. By the time we see them interact, Faramir is more or less resigned to it and just does his job as best he can. Even so, his father's constant remarks that Boromir was a way better son makes Faramir lose his temper enough to remind Denethor that it was his order which sent Boromir away in the first place. There is also a displaced desire for this with Beregond, who laments that his fellow soldiers don't rank Faramir as Boromir's equal simply because Faramir is more scholarly than his brother was, and to them that translates as "not as good a warrior" even though it's not true at all.
8th Jan '17 11:18:39 AM nombretomado
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* There's a bit of an inversion in the Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse. After he dies, Anakin Skywalker becomes a Force ghost. He appears briefly to Luke in ''ReturnOfTheJedi'' but says nothing; a hundred twenty years later, in StarWarsLegacy, he speaks to a {{wangst}}y descendent, but in the meantime he's only been written speaking to one person - [[Literature/TheTruceAtBakura Leia]]. He wants to apologize to her, tell her how proud he is of her, and be forgiven. However, she is furious and ''horrified'' at the sight of him, doesn't want to know that any part of him survived, still considers Bail to be her real father, and doesn't believe that [[KarmaHoudini redemption equaled death at all]]. Even after he fades out she's angry and deeply disturbed; by the end of the book she hasn't changed her mind, but decides that if he wants to be proud of her, fine.

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* There's a bit of an inversion in the Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse. After he dies, Anakin Skywalker becomes a Force ghost. He appears briefly to Luke in ''ReturnOfTheJedi'' but says nothing; a hundred twenty years later, in StarWarsLegacy, ''ComicBook/{{Legacy}}'', he speaks to a {{wangst}}y descendent, but in the meantime he's only been written speaking to one person - [[Literature/TheTruceAtBakura Leia]]. He wants to apologize to her, tell her how proud he is of her, and be forgiven. However, she is furious and ''horrified'' at the sight of him, doesn't want to know that any part of him survived, still considers Bail to be her real father, and doesn't believe that [[KarmaHoudini redemption equaled death at all]]. Even after he fades out she's angry and deeply disturbed; by the end of the book she hasn't changed her mind, but decides that if he wants to be proud of her, fine.
8th Jan '17 2:22:24 AM SeptimusHeap
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* The short-lived edutainment show ''WesternAnimation/{{Histeria}}'' suggested this as a motivation for Alexander the Great in one sketch where the conqueror was receiving therapy from UsefulNotes/SigmundFreud. This, after suggesting [[FreudWasRight mother issues]], pushed Alexander's BerserkButton.

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* The short-lived edutainment show ''WesternAnimation/{{Histeria}}'' suggested this as a motivation for Alexander the Great in one sketch where the conqueror was receiving therapy from UsefulNotes/SigmundFreud. This, after suggesting [[FreudWasRight [[MommyIssues mother issues]], pushed Alexander's BerserkButton.



** This shows up quite a bit. One wonders if Creator/MikeJudge [[FreudWasRight might have an issue on this front]]. Hank is a bit of one of these for Bobby, as Bobby is all too aware that he's artsy, comedic, lazy, and generally not the kind of son his father wanted. Peggy's mother absolutely refuses to identify any good her daughter ever does, even when Peggy goes so far as to save her mother's ranch from foreclosure. Also, Kahn wanted a boy, so he named his daughter Kahn Jr. (everyone calls her Connie). Almost nothing she does is good enough for him, except when he needs to brag about how much better he and his family are than his hillbilly neighbors.

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** This shows up quite a bit. One wonders if Creator/MikeJudge [[FreudWasRight might have an issue on this front]].front. Hank is a bit of one of these for Bobby, as Bobby is all too aware that he's artsy, comedic, lazy, and generally not the kind of son his father wanted. Peggy's mother absolutely refuses to identify any good her daughter ever does, even when Peggy goes so far as to save her mother's ranch from foreclosure. Also, Kahn wanted a boy, so he named his daughter Kahn Jr. (everyone calls her Connie). Almost nothing she does is good enough for him, except when he needs to brag about how much better he and his family are than his hillbilly neighbors.
6th Jan '17 8:44:42 PM Ezclee4050
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* ''Film/ItRunsInTheFamily'': Set in the summer months circa 1940 and taken from Creator/JeanShepherd's "In God We Trust, All Others Pay Cash" (the same source material as ''Film/AChristmasStory''). During the movie, Ralphie and the Old Man (Charles Grodin) go fishing every weekend, but fail to catch anything. Until one day when Ralphie is hauling in one huge fish after another, while his father, who didn't get a nibble, looks on in genuine surprise. After awhile, other boats on the lake start to crowd Ralphie and his dad. Jean Shepherd narrates at this point: "My old man never said in so many words, 'I'm proud of you, Ralphie,' but somehow he always let me know that he was proud of me." The Old Man then stands up and shouts to the other boats, "Hey, get lost, we've got a fisherman at work here, give him some room!"



* ''Film/ItRunsInTheFamily'': Set in the summer months circa 1940 and taken from Creator/JeanShepherd's "In God We Trust, All Others Pay Cash" (the same source material as ''Film/AChristmasStory''). During the movie, Ralphie and the Old Man (Charles Grodin) go fishing every weekend, but fail to catch anything. Until one day when Ralphie is hauling in one huge fish after another, while his father, who didn't get a nibble, looks on in genuine surprise. After awhile, other boats on the lake start to crowd Ralphie and his dad. Jean Shepherd narrates at this point: "My old man never said in so many words, 'I'm proud of you, Ralphie,' but somehow he always let me know that he was proud of me." The Old Man then stands up and shouts to the other boats, "Hey, get lost, we've got a fisherman at work here, give him some room!"
6th Jan '17 8:35:23 PM Ezclee4050
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* ''It Runs In The Family'': This TV movie aired on the Disney Channel in the '90s. Set in the summer months circa 1940 and taken from Jean Shepherd's "In God We Trust, All Others Pay Cash" (the same source material as ''Film/AChristmasStory''). During the movie, Ralphie and the Old Man (Charles Grodin) go fishing every weekend, but fail to catch anything. Until one day when Ralphie is hauling in one huge fish after another, while his father, who didn't get a nibble, looks on in genuine surprise. After awhile, other boats on the lake start to crowd Ralphie and his dad. Jean Shepherd narrates at this point: "My old man never said in so many words, 'I'm proud of you, Ralphie,' but somehow he always let me know that he was proud of me." The Old Man then stands up and shouts to the other boats, "Hey, get lost, we've got a fisherman at work here, give him some room!"

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* ''It Runs In The Family'': This TV movie aired on the Disney Channel in the '90s. ''Film/ItRunsInTheFamily'': Set in the summer months circa 1940 and taken from Jean Shepherd's Creator/JeanShepherd's "In God We Trust, All Others Pay Cash" (the same source material as ''Film/AChristmasStory''). During the movie, Ralphie and the Old Man (Charles Grodin) go fishing every weekend, but fail to catch anything. Until one day when Ralphie is hauling in one huge fish after another, while his father, who didn't get a nibble, looks on in genuine surprise. After awhile, other boats on the lake start to crowd Ralphie and his dad. Jean Shepherd narrates at this point: "My old man never said in so many words, 'I'm proud of you, Ralphie,' but somehow he always let me know that he was proud of me." The Old Man then stands up and shouts to the other boats, "Hey, get lost, we've got a fisherman at work here, give him some room!"
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