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10th Dec '15 2:09:17 PM DarkHunter
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* The main obstacle for L of ''Manga/DeathNote'' is not in deducing [[SerialKiller Kira]]'s identity, but in finding proof beyond a shadow of a doubt to ''support'' his deduction. ** Not unreasonable, given that Kira is using a magic killer notebook to commit his crimes. Without proof, who would believe that?
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* The main obstacle for L of ''Manga/DeathNote'' is not in deducing [[SerialKiller Kira]]'s identity, but in finding proof beyond a shadow of a doubt to ''support'' his deduction. ** deduction. Not unreasonable, given that Kira is using a magic killer notebook to commit his crimes. Without proof, who would believe that?
23rd Aug '15 9:09:32 PM nombretomado
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* About halfway through every episode of ''{{Monk}}'', the titular detective will figure out who did it. Without exception, the person he accuses will have an airtight alibi (once, the guy was ''in space'' at the time of the murder), and Monk will have to find the one thing that doesn't fit.
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* About halfway through every episode of ''{{Monk}}'', ''Series/{{Monk}}'', the titular detective will figure out who did it. Without exception, the person he accuses will have an airtight alibi (once, the guy was ''in space'' at the time of the murder), and Monk will have to find the one thing that doesn't fit.
28th May '15 9:03:18 PM ShinyTsukkomi
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* Zim of ''InvaderZim'' is a DevilInPlainSight whose PaperThinDisguise shouldn't ''need'' any proof to expose, but the earth is largely populated by idiots so [[HeroAntagonist Dib]] is continually after "proof" (generally, a shot of Zim not in disguise) -- he's managed to get it on more than one occasion, but since FailureIsTheOnlyOption he always loses it even if he otherwise thwarts Zim's latest {{Zany|Scheme}}[=-=]but-EvilScheme. * A common occurence for Candace in ''PhineasAndFerb'', despite the guys not being evil (at least not to us). Their inventions are always in plain sight, but their sister goes through gread ordeals to actually get their mom to see it, resulting in this trope several times by using cameras et.c.
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* Zim of ''InvaderZim'' ''WesternAnimation/InvaderZim'' is a DevilInPlainSight whose PaperThinDisguise shouldn't ''need'' any proof to expose, but the earth is largely populated by idiots so [[HeroAntagonist Dib]] is continually after "proof" (generally, a shot of Zim not in disguise) -- he's managed to get it on more than one occasion, but since FailureIsTheOnlyOption he always loses it even if he otherwise thwarts Zim's latest {{Zany|Scheme}}[=-=]but-EvilScheme. * A common occurence for Candace in ''PhineasAndFerb'', ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'', despite the guys not being evil (at least not to us). Their inventions are always in plain sight, but their sister goes through gread ordeals to actually get their mom to see it, resulting in this trope several times by using cameras et.c.
11th Sep '14 5:32:09 AM CBCook55
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* The Deputy Dawg cartoon "Diamonds In The Rough" has the deputy tasked with finding a diamond smuggler, but the sheriff tells him not to make an arrest without evidence. A haphazard golfer swings by, and Deputy Dawg deduces that the golfer is the smuggler and the diamonds are in the golf balls. After he accidentally swallows some golf balls, Deputy Dawg is at the doctor with the golfer, and the X-ray shows the diamond-laden golf balls in DD's stomach.
12th Aug '14 2:18:07 PM TheGreatSkrond
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Basically, the heroes discover that some bad guy is up to no good. The problem is that for whatever reason. the hero has trouble getting people to believe him. Maybe because [[JustAKid the hero is a kid]], because the bad guys are [[VillainWithGoodPublicity respected authority figures]], or because [[CassandraTruth their scheme sounds outlandish]]. They may have tried to deliver a warning ''without'' getting evidence first and been [[YouHaveToBelieveMe dismissed out of hand]]. Or maybe [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure the authorities]] do believe them, but can't act without evidence. Either way, the heroes need proof of what the bad guys are doing in order to get anyone to believe them, and the ensuing adventure becomes essentially about that. Of course, this plot isn't ''quite'' able to [[ScienceMarchesOn catch up in this day]] and age of hand-held phone recorders/cameras/camcorders in cell phones; because that would get in the way of the ''drama'' of trying to acquire evidence. Often they'll come up with [[ReinventingTheTelephone different ways of recording information]] that's complicated enough for the plot.
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Basically, the heroes discover that some bad guy is up to no good. The problem is that for whatever reason. the hero has trouble getting people to believe him. Maybe because [[JustAKid the hero is a kid]], because the bad guys are [[VillainWithGoodPublicity respected authority figures]], or because [[CassandraTruth their scheme sounds sounds]] [[RefugeInAudacity outlandish]]. They may have tried to deliver a warning ''without'' getting evidence first and been [[YouHaveToBelieveMe dismissed out of hand]]. Or maybe [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure the authorities]] do believe them, but can't act without evidence. Either way, the heroes need proof of what the bad guys are doing in order to get anyone to believe them, and the ensuing adventure becomes essentially about that. Of course, this plot isn't ''quite'' able to [[ScienceMarchesOn catch up in this day]] and age of hand-held phone recorders/cameras/camcorders in cell phones; because that would get in the way of the ''drama'' of trying to acquire evidence. Often they'll come up with [[ReinventingTheTelephone different ways of recording information]] that's complicated enough for the plot.
20th Jun '14 12:41:46 PM Larkmarn
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* Zim of ''InvaderZim'' is a DevilInPlainSight whose PaperThinDisguise shouldn't ''need'' any proof to expose, but the earth is [[DyingLikeAnimals largely populated by idiots]] so [[HeroAntagonist Dib]] is continually after "proof" (generally, a shot of Zim not in disguise) -- he's managed to get it on more than one occasion, but since FailureIsTheOnlyOption he always loses it even if he otherwise thwarts Zim's latest {{Zany|Scheme}}[=-=]but-EvilScheme.
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* Zim of ''InvaderZim'' is a DevilInPlainSight whose PaperThinDisguise shouldn't ''need'' any proof to expose, but the earth is [[DyingLikeAnimals largely populated by idiots]] idiots so [[HeroAntagonist Dib]] is continually after "proof" (generally, a shot of Zim not in disguise) -- he's managed to get it on more than one occasion, but since FailureIsTheOnlyOption he always loses it even if he otherwise thwarts Zim's latest {{Zany|Scheme}}[=-=]but-EvilScheme.
10th May '14 3:37:17 PM PsyckoSama
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Basically, the heroes discover that some bad guy is up to no good. The problem is that no-one will believe the hero, for whatever reason. Maybe because [[JustAKid the hero is a kid]], because the bad guys are [[VillainWithGoodPublicity respected authority figures]], or because [[CassandraTruth their scheme sounds outlandish]]. They may have tried to deliver a warning ''without'' getting evidence first and been [[YouHaveToBelieveMe dismissed out of hand]]. Either way, the heroes need proof of what the bad guys are doing in order to get anyone to believe them, and the ensuing adventure becomes essentially about that. Of course, this plot isn't ''quite'' able to [[ScienceMarchesOn catch up in this day]] and age of hand-held phone recorders/cameras/camcorders in cell phones; because that would get in the way of the ''drama'' of trying to acquire evidence. Often they'll come up with [[ReinventingTheTelephone different ways of recording information]] that's complicated enough for the plot.
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Basically, the heroes discover that some bad guy is up to no good. The problem is that no-one will believe the hero, for whatever reason.reason. the hero has trouble getting people to believe him. Maybe because [[JustAKid the hero is a kid]], because the bad guys are [[VillainWithGoodPublicity respected authority figures]], or because [[CassandraTruth their scheme sounds outlandish]]. They may have tried to deliver a warning ''without'' getting evidence first and been [[YouHaveToBelieveMe dismissed out of hand]]. Or maybe [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure the authorities]] do believe them, but can't act without evidence. Either way, the heroes need proof of what the bad guys are doing in order to get anyone to believe them, and the ensuing adventure becomes essentially about that. Of course, this plot isn't ''quite'' able to [[ScienceMarchesOn catch up in this day]] and age of hand-held phone recorders/cameras/camcorders in cell phones; because that would get in the way of the ''drama'' of trying to acquire evidence. Often they'll come up with [[ReinventingTheTelephone different ways of recording information]] that's complicated enough for the plot.
10th Sep '13 1:50:37 PM MarkLungo
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* ''{{The X-Files}}''. If Scully had a catch phrase, "We need scientific proof!" would be it. * ''EerieIndiana'' * On ''SavingGrace'', Rhetta is a forensic investigator and does all kinds of tests on any items that Earl gives Grace to prove his angelic existence. Boy, does she find proof.
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* ''{{The X-Files}}''.''Series/TheXFiles''. If Scully had a catch phrase, "We need scientific proof!" would be it. * ''EerieIndiana'' ''Series/EerieIndiana'' * On ''SavingGrace'', ''Series/SavingGrace'', Rhetta is a forensic investigator and does all kinds of tests on any items that Earl gives Grace to prove his angelic existence. Boy, does she find proof.

* Happens a lot in ''WhiteCollar''. The criminals are often known right away; the trick is gathering enough evidence to allow the FBI to do anything about it. * A common occurance on ''{{CSI}}'' and its spinoffs. Often occurs on cases where the evidence isn't yielding as many leads as the [=CSIs=] need to make the case.
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* Happens a lot in ''WhiteCollar''.''Series/WhiteCollar''. The criminals are often known right away; the trick is gathering enough evidence to allow the FBI to do anything about it. * A common occurance on ''{{CSI}}'' ''Series/{{CSI}}'' and its spinoffs. Often occurs on cases where the evidence isn't yielding as many leads as the [=CSIs=] need to make the case.
29th Jul '13 1:28:45 PM Viira
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* The early plot of ''MassEffect'' revolves around the protagonist uncovering evidence to prove that the villain is actually the villain to the not-so-omniscient council of very visible politicians.
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* The early plot of ''MassEffect'' ''VideoGame/MassEffect1'' revolves around the protagonist uncovering evidence to prove that the villain is actually the villain to the not-so-omniscient council of very visible politicians.
30th Jun '13 8:55:48 PM nombretomado
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* A major plot thread in ''HarryPotter/{{Harry Potter And The Half-Blood Prince}}'' involves the titular character being certain that GoldfishPoopGang leader Draco Malfoy is up to something, and trying (without success) to prove it. Of course, this is in large part due to the fact that the primary responsible authority figures [[spoiler:(Dumbledore and Snape) already know he's up to something and want Harry to have as little to do with it as possible.]]
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* A major plot thread in ''HarryPotter/{{Harry Potter And The Half-Blood Prince}}'' ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince'' involves the titular character being certain that GoldfishPoopGang leader Draco Malfoy is up to something, and trying (without success) to prove it. Of course, this is in large part due to the fact that the primary responsible authority figures [[spoiler:(Dumbledore and Snape) already know he's up to something and want Harry to have as little to do with it as possible.]]
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